2012.11.08 13:00 - Wake up!

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Wol, helped by Mick. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.  Wol kindly sent me the log in my absence ♥.


    Wol Euler: helloxs
    Wol Euler: with spelling.
    Wol Euler: nice blindfold
    Wol Euler grins.
    Xs Andree: Thank you
    Wol Euler: hello hieronymus
    Hieronymus Box: hey, you :-)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: what's new?
    Xs Andree: where would i begin, lol
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Wol Euler: the topic of the week is "desire" ......
    Xs Andree: still?
    Hieronymus Box: desire?
    Hieronymus Box: In what terms, personal, social....?
    Wol Euler: whichever :)
    Wol Euler: but it is also just a suggestion
    Hieronymus Box: mmmmm, to me, my desies, its a very intimate thing to talk about....
    Hieronymus Box: desires
    Hieronymus Box: hey, korel
    Korel Laloix: Bozho
    Wol Euler: hello korelo
    Wol Euler: *korel
    Wol Euler: man, I can't type tonight
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Hieronymus Box: grins, me too....
    Hieronymus Box: its the weather....
    Xs Andree waves
    Xs Andree: hello, Korel
    Xs Andree: sorry, trying to get minutes back on my phone. Do you two know Hieronymus?
    Wol Euler: we've met before, when I was struggling with the scripts one evening
    Korel Laloix: I dont think so...
    Xs Andree: He is the one who introduced me here, and is very special to me
    Hieronymus Box: nods, I met you before wol, but korel, not that remember
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Korel Laloix: No worries.. smiles.. good to see anyone here.
    Korel Laloix: At work so in and out a bit.
    Hieronymus Box: my desires, and I assume, its the same to anyone, are complex and simple at the sae time
    Xs Andree grins
    Wol Euler: evening mick
    Hieronymus Box: hello, mick
    Mickorod Renard: evnin all
    Hieronymus Box: simple, for ther is one core reason.....
    Mickorod Renard: whats on?
    Mickorod Renard: its a bit qiet today
    Wol Euler: talking about desire, mick
    Mickorod Renard: quiet*
    Wol Euler: hieronymus has the floor
    Mickorod Renard: ahh
    Hieronymus Box: to me, my desires could be traced back to a need for attention
    Xs Andree: phone lol mom
    Hieronymus Box: ok :-)
    Hieronymus Box: and that is a selfish desire...
    Wol Euler: fairly common though, I'd say
    Mickorod Renard: i missed that, what desire was it?
    Hieronymus Box: nods, simple....
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Hieronymus Box: I said, (hey, san), that the core of all my desires, so I traced it back, is a need for attention....
    Wol Euler: hello san
    Santoshima Resident: hello :)
    Mickorod Renard: i always have had a strong desire..for most things,,,,,but its been a great path learning to cope with temptation
    Xs Andree: sorry, getting plans ready for my visit with my kids in South carolina
    Korel Laloix: For me, I feel some of my desires are the opposite... the need for quiet.
    Korel Laloix: But that may just be me.
    Hieronymus Box: and, as I dont want to apear selfish, it gets complex.....
    Hieronymus Box: lol, korel, I dont claim exclusivity on my desires....
    Mickorod Renard: i know the feeling,,and having that thought then makes me feel hypacritical
    Xs Andree: back, whew
    Mickorod Renard: but spelt better
    Hieronymus Box: wb, love
    Wol Euler: is it perhaps fair to say that our desires are for what we don't have?
    Korel Laloix: Or what we want more of.
    Mickorod Renard: or more of what we have
    Korel Laloix: Or less of.
    Wol Euler: or that :)
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Wol Euler: but if you had lots of quiet right now, you probably wouldn't desire more of it right now
    Mickorod Renard: yea, a bit o the grass is always greener
    Wol Euler: so it would naturally swing back and forth somewhat.
    Mickorod Renard: mostly these days its about a desire to keep what I have, like comfort health and so on
    Mickorod Renard: and then that is an attachment
    Hieronymus Box: mmmmmm, thinking, if we are swinging in our desires, if I get too much or too less of it, it may be, that that is not the core desire....
    Wol Euler: hello eos
    Mickorod Renard: I have often over indulged, and regretted it
    Hieronymus Box: hello,eos
    Santoshima Resident: hi eos
    Eos Amaterasu: hi mick, Hier, Xs, Wol, San, Kor
    Mickorod Renard: yo eos
    Wol Euler listens for more about core desire
    Xs Andree: Or to keep what we have, to possess it
    Xs Andree: oh yah, sorry, just saw mick's comment, catching up still
    Xs Andree smiles
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Xs Andree: Hello Eos, very good to see you again
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Mickorod Renard: ouch
    Eos Amaterasu: hi mick, Hier, Xs, Wol, San, Kor
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Wol Euler: brb
    Eos Amaterasu: Ara!
    Santoshima Resident: hi Arabella
    arabella Ella smiles and looks at stilettos
    Mickorod Renard: Ara, our bella
    Hieronymus Box: core desire (hey, arabella) is something, we feel alack of.....
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm... Mick.... hmmm....Ara....
    Hieronymus Box: a lack*
    arabella Ella: apologies if my text gets mixed up but i seem to have lots of lag
    Mickorod Renard: love is always in short supply,,,and yet its free
    Eos Amaterasu: nothing ain't worth nothing, but it's free
    Hieronymus Box: (things have the worth of things, you are willing to give up for them)
    Santoshima Resident: brb
    Mickorod Renard: brp
    Hieronymus Box: if this is correct, love is not a "thing".....
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe love feels in short supply because it seems not available on demand?
    Mickorod Renard: love is almost something you would like to receive but have to try it out urself to check what it may look like
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: love: check it out :-)
    Wol Euler: free samples?
    Eos Amaterasu: how would you try it out yourself, Mick?
    arabella Ella: could we not be happy enjoying 'smaller' types of love like friendship love and family love or whatever rather than trying to go for the big ideal stuff?
    arabella Ella: love does not necessarily have to move mountains or make your legs feel shakey
    Mickorod Renard: I think of what i would really love to receive,,in an emotional sense,,and then try and telecommunicate that desire..to others,,in hope that its infectios
    Mickorod Renard: but spelt better
    Wol Euler grins.
    Hieronymus Box: no, ara, then there is a demand for more of it......
    Mickorod Renard: I do a selfish unselfish act
    Eos Amaterasu get whacked by big olve from Mick
    arabella Ella: why should we as humans always want more than we can realistically have?
    Wol Euler: 42.
    Eos Amaterasu: "yea, that's the spirit, even in self" - John Hiatt / Ry Cooder
    Hieronymus Box: a little love is impossible as a little dead, laove is demanding to me, it includes all aspects.....
    Hieronymus Box: wb, san
    Mickorod Renard: thats a nice thought Hieron
    arabella Ella: what i was trying to say was that there are different types of love
    arabella Ella: and it would be nice if we could always have the huge earth shaking romantic love but it is not always possible
    Eos Amaterasu: "I need love as big as an ocean / I need love that can't be crossed / A love in perpetual motion / I need a love that won't get lost"
    arabella Ella: so we should be content with what we have
    Mickorod Renard: also not appropriate with some people
    arabella Ella: that's lovely Eos very romantic
    Eos Amaterasu: (from the song Big Love - looking for a YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RDU9va7bLw
    Hieronymus Box: ara, sorry to disappoint you, but this love, this earth shaking, belly tickling love is a trick of the evolution, thats a state of mind like an high on drugs and it cant be kept for longer periods of time
    Xs Andree: People ask often about the definition of love, or try to capture its meaning. The best definition for love i've found comes in three steps, and three words. Acceptance Acknowledgement Appreciation Acceptance is without condition. I accept who you are, and that you are what you are Acknowledgement that you exist. That you have an impact. You leave a mark upon the world. Appreciation for who you are, that you have worth, that who you are has worth, that you are is of worth. i see you you are here I love you
    Eos Amaterasu: Wow - essence of PaB!
    Xs Andree: I love you
    Wol Euler: wonderful
    Mickorod Renard: nice
    Mickorod Renard: but not enough for some
    Xs Andree: There is nothing greater.
    Xs Andree: Consider, if you are not doing all three of these, you are not showing love.
    Xs Andree: have you judged a friend?
    arabella Ella: Hieronymus - don't worry I will not be disappointed to hear what you say - I have enough experience in life!
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Xs Andree: Do you think there is something about them that you'd rather change, or see different?
    Mickorod Renard: I often would like to remove the barriers
    Xs Andree smiles
    Xs Andree: It takes patience, with yourself, and, i think, the barriers we have to loving one another, are often reflections of the barriers we have to loving ourselves.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Xs Andree: You cannot give what you do not have, but, when you give love, you also keep it as well.
    Wol Euler: certainly the flaws we see in others are often reflections of our own
    Santoshima Resident: only
    Hieronymus Box: nods
    Santoshima Resident: ever
    Xs Andree: I"ve noticed that.
    Eos Amaterasu: we see what we can recognize
    Mickorod Renard: its very true,,one can only judge from ones own knowledge base
    Eos Amaterasu: of course that's more and more becoming global google knowledge base, but it doesn't seem to help re seeing
    Santoshima Resident: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Scarlatt...overview?src=5
    Wol Euler: oops, just noticed the time, I have to move on.
    Santoshima Resident: bye wol
    Wol Euler: goodnight, stay desirous and generously loving.
    Eos Amaterasu: Yow, moi meme, actually
    arabella Ella: bye Wol good night!
    Xs Andree hugs Wol
    Mickorod Renard: bye Wpol
    Eos Amaterasu: ciao good folks! nice to see you!
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    Santoshima Resident: bye eos
    arabella Ella: bye Eos
    Hieronymus Box: mm, knowledge bse, the foundation, yes, that makes sense, if you have a firm basemement, you can reach out, tear down your own farriers....
    Xs Andree smiles to hieronymus
    Xs Andree: i love you.
    Hieronymus Box: barriers*
    Mickorod Renard: I love you too
    Xs Andree grins at Mick
    Xs Andree: I love you.
    Xs Andree: LUKEY!!!
    Xs Andree hugs lukey
    Mickorod Renard: hi Lukey
    Hieronymus Box: mm, if you have (hey lukey) no basement, no firm stance, and you reach out, you will loose your equilibrium and fall....
    Mickorod Renard: is Lukey a regular?>
    Lukey Woodget: Hi all
    Lukey Woodget: thankyou for the wonderfull welcom
    Mickorod Renard: who is guardian?
    Xs Andree: I missed you
    Lukey Woodget: I think the last time i was here I was antagonistic
    Mickorod Renard: have you been here before Lukey?

    Yes he has :)

    Mickorod Renard: ahh ok,,no worries,,u r still welcome
    Xs Andree: it was important to you, Lukey. We understood.
    Mickorod Renard: but I just need to remind you that the chat here is logged and sent into a public wiki
    Lukey Woodget: ty that is fine
    Xs Andree: i was worried you might not return.
    Mickorod Renard: so is it ok for what you say to be included in that wiki?
    Mickorod Renard: great
    Lukey Woodget: oh yes
    Lukey Woodget: what are you talking about today?
    Mickorod Renard: wb Ara
    Hieronymus Box: wb, Ara
    Mickorod Renard: its began with Desire
    Xs Andree: i have given a lot of thought to your concerns, last time you were here. And as it turns out...there was a "Green Movement" in the 60's...that was supposed to feed the world...
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Lukey Woodget: hi arabella
    arabella Ella: crashed
    Xs Andree: And it did fall very short of that, and led to much of the world as it is now.
    Xs Andree: so i've started to look at your concerns again.
    Xs Andree: http://www.thrivemovement.com/the_movie
    Xs Andree: A friend of mine gave me this link, I think you will enjoy this movie.
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Xs Andree: They have better source references as well
    Mickorod Renard: is it big?
    Xs Andree: yeah a few hours...def something to wait till you have time for it.
    Mickorod Renard: ahh ok ty
    Hieronymus Box: :-)
    Hieronymus Box: I will watch this later.....
    Mickorod Renard: I have to be careful not to crash when i open new screens
    Xs Andree: nods nods
    Xs Andree: it is an interactive site, so it probably would if you opened it and Sl at the same time
    Korel Laloix: Darn RL.. take care all.
    Xs Andree: you too, Korel. I love you
    Hieronymus Box: bye, korel
    arabella Ella: bye Kori
    Hieronymus Box: so back to topics, love?
    Xs Andree: The site is also interactive, and so far has been a good resource for information. you can find some of this collaborated independently at the historycommons.org project as well, which i've used for years. They are very good about citing source material as well.
    Mickorod Renard: what is the main trend with it?
    Mickorod Renard: compassion for needy ones?
    Hieronymus Box: needy ones? are their people, who dont need compassion?
    Hieronymus Box: there*
    Lukey Woodget: it is strange as sl is suposed to be a place to comunicate
    Mickorod Renard: I was thinking myself,,that I would have liked to do some volunary work,,but although there are needs,,its not always made that easy to involve oneself
    Lukey Woodget: so many dont
    Xs Andree: You may involve yourself every moment of the day. When you see someone in need, stop, see if you can help.
    Xs Andree: The opportunities are only limited by your perception of others needs, and admitting your own.
    Hieronymus Box: I missd them, those who dont need compassion....
    Mickorod Renard: well,,I suppose i do that every day,,,,,,but I was thinking of the further afield stuff
    Xs Andree: everyone needs compassion, even the so called "1%"
    Hieronymus Box: nods
    arabella Ella: who are the so called 1 percent Andree?
    Mickorod Renard: they were the hells angels
    Xs Andree: the 1% of the population of the world who control 90% of the resources
    arabella Ella: oh of course
    Xs Andree: used to be 20% controlling 80% back in the 70's, but it has suddenly shifted.
    Hieronymus Box: (also the hells angels (and members of other hard core motobike gangs deserve compassion
    Xs Andree: like a catepillar, just before it goes into crysalis...it feeds a great amount, gorging itself, getting ready for its change.
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella: do you think there is a tendency for some of the 1 percent to become more compassionate or philantropic in todays day and age?
    Xs Andree: No.
    Hieronymus Box: no
    arabella Ella: i was thinking of stuff like Bill Gates Foundation and other similar initiatives?
    Mickorod Renard: depends,,some hells angels do
    Hieronymus Box: but that doesnt mean, they dont need compassion, they ae materialitically satiesfied, but mentally
    Hieronymus Box: ?
    Xs Andree: The solutions to the problems of the world are not difficult to recognize and find solutions to. It is not the acquisition of wealth, but the increasing of power. It is the idea...that they know better than anyone else how to make the world better, and the inability to accept other viewpoints as valid.
    Mickorod Renard: there is that machine gun preacher
    Xs Andree: But...they have purpose, just as we do, even in their extreme.
    Xs Andree: Bill gates has never been this wealthy
    Xs Andree: or powerful
    arabella Ella: well one thing i fail to understand is how there is still no clean water available for a huge percentage of the world population
    Mickorod Renard: the .05% can have all the wealth and resourses,,as long as they look after us
    Xs Andree: We don't need them to. When we simply look after one another, give one another dignity and respect. Give one another acceptance, acknowledgement and appreciation
    Xs Andree: We become more creative. We become less prone to fear and suspicion
    Hieronymus Box: no, for their wealth is based on a cardinal sin, greed, and greed by nature is unsatiesfyable so they wont look after "US", only after themselves and that eads to an extreme lack of compassion
    Lukey Woodget: america does not want other people to develop
    Xs Andree: and more willing to work with another. my mom once said..."If you treat another child unlike it was your own, then you either abuse one, or neglect the other"
    Xs Andree: Everyone is the child of someone.
    Mickorod Renard: I fear you are right Hieron
    Lukey Woodget: its going to hit them dam hard in the end
    Xs Andree: It will.
    Lukey Woodget: should I say the people in power in america
    Xs Andree: Especially when we realize we don't, and have never needed them.
    Hieronymus Box: no
    Xs Andree: and turn our backs, and simply refuse to cooperate anymore.
    Hieronymus Box: that is not limited to a single country
    Xs Andree: Ray Kroc can't flip all the burgers. No president can fire all the arsenal of an army on his own.
    Lukey Woodget: fund there mess
    Xs Andree: We are all complicit.
    Lukey Woodget: give all are money to pay for the mess they make
    Mickorod Renard: what happened to the occupation movement?
    Xs Andree grins
    Xs Andree: There was a call by Anonymous in the end of 2011...
    Lukey Woodget: to pay for the war crimes
    Xs Andree: People of the world, it is now time to Occupy the streets and buildings in which you live and work....
    Lukey Woodget: america blows kids to bits
    Xs Andree: ...
    Xs Andree: Think of it.
    Lukey Woodget: and gets away with it
    Xs Andree: What else can we do, but to occupy where we are?
    Mickorod Renard: I am occupying my socks
    Xs Andree nods nods
    Xs Andree: We already occupy.
    Mickorod Renard: its a start
    Xs Andree: it is, an important one Occupy is a Troll, a prank...the idea that you must march or protest to Occupy is an illusion
    Xs Andree: We Occupy
    Xs Andree: Now
    Xs Andree: Here
    Xs Andree: Always
    Lukey Woodget: the system is broken its not a fair system
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I am having to admit,,,i am going to bed and de-occupying my socks
    arabella Ella: he he good night Mick
    Lukey Woodget: be well mick
    Xs Andree: The most noble form of resistance is simply to not comply in anything you find abhorrent or despicable.
    Mickorod Renard: nite nite,,trake care,,,love you all
    Xs Andree hugs
    arabella Ella: it is late here i must go get some beauty sleep good night everyone!
    Hieronymus Box: you cant change the system read the animal farm, but you can change your close neigbour hood byy your example
    Lukey Woodget: be well arabella
    Xs Andree: So, in your lives, to make the difference...refuse blood money. Watch what you buy, know where it comes from
    Lukey Woodget: sleep well
    Hieronymus Box: by, ara :-)
    Xs Andree: be mindful of what you watch in the media and how you spend your time.
    Xs Andree: where you put your energy.
    Lukey Woodget: the thing about the media that intrests me
    Lukey Woodget: is they all seenm to run the same stories
    Xs Andree: When you think you see an enemy on the street...remember....whenever you are an "Us" there is a "Them"...but when you are "We"...then there is only "We"
    Xs Andree: 100%
    Xs Andree: not 99%
    Xs Andree: 100%
    Xs Andree: Divided by zero
    Hieronymus Box: nods
    Lukey Woodget: you know and maybe you can see this
    Lukey Woodget: you know why you feel mad?
    Xs Andree: because I know people have suffered when there is no need.
    Xs Andree: at my hands
    Lukey Woodget: you dont want to be a slave
    Lukey Woodget: because you are
    Lukey Woodget: just the same as on the black plantations
    Lukey Woodget: you are a slave
    Lukey Woodget: and it hurts
    Xs Andree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXspt459LE 'Slavery by Consent'
    Xs Andree: something else that has been given to me in the last week.
    Hieronymus Box: nods.......I know, it hurts.....and there are no chains to break, no bajonetts to riot against, no barricades to defend....
    Xs Andree: invisible, chains. We have been imprisoned by our many desires. Fear, lust, hate, anger, envy, wrath, sloth...these are as much desire as any other
    Xs Andree: when you realize this, and you free yourself of them, then even manacles and bayonets cannot imprison you, or make you a slave.
    Xs Andree: This is freedom, and freedom does not start with anger, or fury, but with love.
    Xs Andree: All of us are born free, and it cannot be taken from us without our consent.
    Hieronymus Box: it can....
    Xs Andree: like love, it is within the self, not granted by any power.
    Hieronymus Box: and it is....
    Xs Andree: not truly, if you are free of your desire...
    Lukey Woodget: the problem is that humans can be controled by fear
    Xs Andree: then even a prison cannot take your freedom.
    Lukey Woodget: animals cant be controled
    Xs Andree: fear is a desire
    Lukey Woodget: desire to live
    Hieronymus Box: yes, but we have desires, desires from us as a human being and those desires, implanted by external sources like media....
    Xs Andree: Life is Duhkka
    Xs Andree: The fist noble truth
    Xs Andree: Duhkka is the suffering of desires for the external world.
    Xs Andree: Everything that is in the external world, comes from within, however.
    Xs Andree: So that all that you need, is within you, already.
    Lukey Woodget: I think its evolution
    Hieronymus Box: nods, and those can be used to turn you into a slave.....
    Lukey Woodget: I think this is ment to be
    Xs Andree: I agree
    Hieronymus Box: n!
    Lukey Woodget: the people in power think they did it
    Hieronymus Box: no!
    Lukey Woodget: but it will happen no matter what
    Xs Andree: But they are there for another purpose, one they do not understand, nor one they need to in order to fulfill it.
    Lukey Woodget: yes
    Xs Andree: The world will change.
    Lukey Woodget: exactly
    Xs Andree: Everyone has a part to play
    Xs Andree: some in destruction, others in building.
    Lukey Woodget: they think they are in power but they only have it to searve a porpouse
    Xs Andree: To feed the catepillar before its metamorphosis
    Xs Andree: There is no 1%
    Lukey Woodget: I think many planets have gone through this
    Lukey Woodget: A seed
    Lukey Woodget: from the smallest start to what it will turn into
    Xs Andree: this one is only 15 minutes
    Xs Andree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOUa7...s&feature=plcp
    Lukey Woodget: I just wish i could be part of it
    Lukey Woodget: but i will be dead
    Lukey Woodget: to see the flower open would be magic
    Lukey Woodget: :)
    Hieronymus Box: to watch the flower open its blosom, there is just little things you need to do, give a hand, when its not expected, a smile, when everyone expects an insult
    Hieronymus Box: that is the seed of good, and that gives you reward,
    Lukey Woodget: it is hard to contain the anger
    Hieronymus Box: yes, i know.....but where does the anger come from?
    Hieronymus Box: what desire unfulfilled makes you that angry?
    Lukey Woodget: anger comes from opresion
    Hieronymus Box: nods
    Hieronymus Box: go ahead....
    Lukey Woodget: theft of are resorses
    Hieronymus Box: what causes oppression?
    Lukey Woodget: like i said before we have no control of it
    Lukey Woodget: it is what it is
    Hieronymus Box: no
    Hieronymus Box: opression works from fear
    Lukey Woodget: fear to die
    Hieronymus Box: if your are afraid.....
    Hieronymus Box: yes
    Hieronymus Box: Miamoto Musash said "If you have the choice of life or death, choose death"
    Xs Andree: We will meet again after the flower has bloomed Lukey.
    Hieronymus Box: if you are not afraid, you cant be opressed.....
    Lukey Woodget: there is another way
    Hieronymus Box: but that, i have to admit, is hard to achieve
    Xs Andree: oppression, deception, these are evil things. Evil is not what is done unto you by others...
    Xs Andree: but by what you do to yourself
    Hieronymus Box: nods.....
    Xs Andree: Evil may ask you...deceive yourself...but you must comply
    Lukey Woodget: the other path is very hard
    Xs Andree: And if you choose to do so, then evil will be done to yourself, by yourself.
    Xs Andree: But there is ignorance as well.
    Xs Andree: when we do not know
    Lukey Woodget: the other path is to find what is not known
    Xs Andree: what has been taken from us, cannot be given or taken away, except by ourselves.
    Lukey Woodget: many people have found this
    Lukey Woodget: in time
    Lukey Woodget: it sets them free
    Xs Andree: The point where two opposing forces are brought together.
    Xs Andree: The Yin and the Yang...
    Xs Andree: and found to be one...and more than the sum of their parts.
    Xs Andree: Tao
    Xs Andree: in the fullness of all things lies the seeds of its opposite.
    Xs Andree: Many of the simpler Zen Koans are constructed this way
    Xs Andree: In the fullness of Victory lie the seeds of Defeat
    Xs Andree: In the fullness of defeat, also....
    Lukey Woodget: what is out there
    Lukey Woodget: it is quite big
    Xs Andree: (god)
    Lukey Woodget: you know out there
    Xs Andree: but outside of brackets.
    Xs Andree: heheh, yeah...well
    Xs Andree: They found the Higgs field
    Xs Andree: which means, there is a lot of energy, just in empty space
    Lukey Woodget: a name for it
    Xs Andree: far more than lies in chemical combustion of fossil fuels, or even in nuclear fission or Fusion
    Lukey Woodget: out there i mean real out there
    Xs Andree: Lukey, do you ever wonder why we have imagination? To daydream and think of things that are not?
    Lukey Woodget: we are dead people walking
    Xs Andree: The Xomby Apocalypose is here.
    Lukey Woodget: I bet that has happened somewhere
    Xs Andree: It comes when we wake to our own ruin, and realize...
    Xs Andree: We are the Dead Walking
    Xs Andree: WAKE UP!
    Xs Andree: 11:11
    Xs Andree: WAKE UP!
    Xs Andree: 11:11
    Xs Andree: WAKE UP
    Xs Andree: !!:!!
    Xs Andree: Executive order 11110
    Lukey Woodget: its because we cant see past 2 or 3 moves ahead
    Xs Andree: WAKE UP!!:!!
    Hieronymus Box: :-)
    Xs Andree: 11:11 12:21:2012
    Xs Andree: When we realize there are no moves, we won't need to.
    Xs Andree: Do your 9 seconds excerisices
    Xs Andree: Be
    Xs Andree: and you will find the eternal moment
    Xs Andree: you will know how to move in all times and all spaces at once.
    Xs Andree: you will know what to do next
    Xs Andree: ...wake up.
    Xs Andree: 12:12
    Xs Andree: awake
    Xs Andree: The dead will awaken
    Xs Andree: and live
    Lukey Woodget: im off now be well all
    Hieronymus Box: be well, lukey
    Lukey Woodget: great to talk with you
    Lukey Woodget: ty
    Hieronymus Box: Xs?
    Xs Andree: you too, Lukey.
    Xs Andree: sorry, phone again.
    Hieronymus Box: :-(

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