2012.11.09 13:00 - nice visitors, dreams and funding plus a bit of sillyness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fox
    Fox Monacular: Hey Yaku!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you doing ?
    Fox Monacular: good, it Yakuzza Lethecus: the professional dreamer :)
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i am fine just organized christmas vacation today
    Fox Monacular: nice
    Fox Monacular: where are you going?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: everything seems to work out as planned
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sweden
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not a warm country :)
    Fox Monacular: very christmasy!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, the snow propability is a lot higher
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and it´s interesting they do not always salt their roads
    Fox Monacular: Hey Raffi
    Raffila Millgrove: Thank you Yaku for hosting us today. Hello Fox.
    Raffila Millgrove: heya Kori
    Fox Monacular: Hi Korel!
    Korel Laloix: Heya... in and out.
    Fox Monacular: Hi Xirana
    Yakuzza Lethecus: here in germany they generally try to remove all the snow and ice of the used roads, there they just put (split) over it again
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey kori
    Raffila Millgrove: Xiri comes to join us for a few ...
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone:)
    Fox Monacular: in montreal they say they remove snow
    Fox Monacular: but really just dump it on sidewalks:)
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well the main roads are getten salted there too
    Alfred Kelberry: foxy! :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi again boxy:)
    Fox Monacular: so children are happy
    Fox Monacular: adults are freaked out:)
    Fox Monacular: hey Boxy
    Alfred Kelberry: nice to see you, foxy, outside of the dream workshop :)
    Fox Monacular: yes, good to be here too:)
    Fox Monacular: I don't get much chance to come to SL these days
    Raffila Millgrove: oh? why not, Fox?
    Alfred Kelberry: appreciate you coming :)
    Alfred Kelberry: how is your research going?
    Fox Monacular: too busy, research, school.... starting teaching in january...
    Fox Monacular: going well, thanks!
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Fox Monacular: starting 2 new studies
    Alfred Kelberry: did you unlock the mysteries of dreams yet? :)
    Raffila Millgrove: oh wow.
    Raffila Millgrove: what will the studies be about Fox?
    Fox Monacular: hehe, sure, I dreamt about them... and forgot
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, tell us about the studies
    Alfred Kelberry: hi, qt :)
    Fox Monacular: ok, well, we are going to study meditators now
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sry to put you on the spot fox, but it´s certainly interesting :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
    Fox Monacular: so dream studies + contemplative
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Fox Monacular: going tobe interestong
    Fox Monacular: Hi Qt
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Qt, Mic
    Fox Monacular: Hi Mic
    Alfred Kelberry: foxy, in their sleep? or brain patterns during meditation?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello mic
    Fox Monacular: both
    Raffila Millgrove: Mic, the conversations here are logged and published on the internet, is it ok with you? to be logged?
    Alfred Kelberry: yo, mic
    Fox Monacular: dream s of meditators too
    Raffila Millgrove: this is my friend Mic, pabsters.
    Mic Gainsbourg: yes
    Korel Laloix: Bozho
    Raffila Millgrove: ok thank you Mic.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx mic
    Fox Monacular: welcome Mic
    Alfred Kelberry: foxy, cool. keep us posted on the progress :)
    Mic Gainsbourg: thanks
    Fox Monacular: sure:)
    Fox Monacular: in dream seminar
    Alfred Kelberry: right
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Fox Monacular: perhaps in January I will have more time
    Raffila Millgrove: Fox are these studies done at an academic institution?
    Fox Monacular: this semester I have a class on tuedays
    Fox Monacular: yes, Raffi
    Fox Monacular: University of Montreal
    Raffila Millgrove: ah. cool. so you will really study dreams of mediators?
    Fox Monacular: really:)
    Raffila Millgrove: gee.
    Fox Monacular: using government $$ too
    Fox Monacular: haha
    Raffila Millgrove: do you think they will be somehow different? than dreams of say a nurse?
    Xs Andree: /ao off
    Fox Monacular: meditating nurses ... population of choice:)
    Alfred Kelberry: foxy, do you also work on memory in relation to dreams?
    Raffila Millgrove: do you have any idea..
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello xs
    Fox Monacular: memory, yes
    Fox Monacular: an important part of our reserch these days
    Xs Andree nods to everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: canadian gov $$ or us ?
    Fox Monacular: Hi Xs
    Fox Monacular: Canadian
    Raffila Millgrove: hehe. bet he means that both govt funds And memory are important part of resesarch these days. lol
    Fox Monacular: hehe
    Alfred Kelberry: foxy, how far do you think we are from altering our memories like in total recall movie? :)
    Raffila Millgrove: i can't speak to other people's dreams.. but mine are so full of memories.. related to past. and not to future. i wish i had future dreams... sign of age maybe.
    Fox Monacular: I don Raffila Millgrove: did you study... young people vs older ones yet?
    Fox Monacular: there Fox Monacular: for homogeneity
    Alfred Kelberry: foxy, please make it happen sooner :)
    Fox Monacular: sleep changes
    Fox Monacular: I Raffila Millgrove: oh... that's the same old college population.. i wish they didn't use that age group so much.
    Alfred Kelberry: hi, digi
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello arcadia
    Alfred Kelberry: raff, this is what is available on campus :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Arcadia
    missdigitaldiva Resident: Hello
    Xs Andree: me smiles to Arcadia
    Raffila Millgrove: yeah but it's so often used.. the handy student and i think.. omg why we can't learn about general population.. college is so "out of life" stream. you know?
    Fox Monacular: yes, Raffi, I know...
    Fox Monacular: we do this als because slee changes with age
    Fox Monacular: there are studies of sleep in dofferent age populations
    Yakuzza Lethecus: maybe in doing college students the group will always be researched that bis most profitable later ?
    Fox Monacular: true, most of our participants are collefge students
    Fox Monacular: unless we have specific criteria
    Fox Monacular: like nightmares or other disorders
    Alfred Kelberry: raff, true. most social psych stuff is heavily biased towards this group.
    Fox Monacular: or, this time, meditators
    Raffila Millgrove: it screws up the results inho.. to study college students so frequently just because they are avail.
    Fox Monacular: i bet meditators will be a varied group
    Raffila Millgrove: well it is boxy.. it's biased.
    Alfred Kelberry: sorry, phone
    Raffila Millgrove: yeah but if you cut off mediators at age 35? that's just not representative at all.
    Fox Monacular: but we;re aware of this bias
    Xs Andree: perhaps so many studies are on college students because they are our future.
    Fox Monacular: after 35 sleep changes a lot
    Raffila Millgrove: no xs.. they are on college students because they are free and standing there willing to be studied. on a campus.
    Fox Monacular: 18 vs 40 - completely different sleep profiles
    Fox Monacular: so cannot compare
    Korel Laloix: What do you define as a meditator?
    Korel Laloix: I might have missed that.
    Fox Monacular: we will only use goenka Raffila Millgrove: why does sleep profile matter? a dream is a dream.
    Fox Monacular: but good question though
    Xs Andree: i'm meditating right now.
    Fox Monacular: Raffi, we don't only study dreams:) sleep too, they;ll be hooked up to an EEG machine:)
    Raffila Millgrove: wow my mind is just fuzzed out. for some reason i thought you said mediators.. not meditators. i was therefore really interested.
    Fox Monacular: and will wake them up at certain times to ask about their dreams
    Korel Laloix: Seems rather specific.. hmm
    Fox Monacular: specific enough, but also quite open
    Fox Monacular: specific enough to get govt $$
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol
    Mic Gainsbourg: ive meditated lots of times in rl before
    Wol Euler: evening all
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Wol:)
    Xs Andree: What is it you really wish, Fox?
    Raffila Millgrove: i thought. wow will mediators dream in balanced ways.. in peaceful ways.. will they have images of conflict in their dreams. geez louise. i was so interested in that idea.
    Mic Gainsbourg: but focuse more on breath and not thoughts come to my mind always i go back to breath
    Fox Monacular: exactly, raffo
    Fox Monacular: raffi
    Fox Monacular: we dont know yet
    Fox Monacular: and their brain patterns
    Xs Andree: you don't know what you want?
    Fox Monacular: and sleep
    Raffila Millgrove: yeah well no kidding you won't know.. Mediators.. that is what i thought you said.. NOT meditators.
    Fox Monacular: What d you mean, Xs
    Qt Core: have to go, bye all
    Xs Andree: What do you want?
    Wol Euler: bye qt, take care
    Raffila Millgrove: mediation.. like judges.. who mediate.. for lawsuits etc.. get me?
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye QT, tc
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye qt
    Raffila Millgrove: i read the word "meditation" incorrectly. saw "mediation" instead.
    Xs Andree: So did I, Raffila. i think there was a dharmic typo
    Raffila Millgrove is travelling in another dimension today obviously. lol
    Xs Andree smiles
    Fox Monacular: I want all sorts of things... including to stop wanting:)
    Raffila Millgrove: thinking that you were studying occupational groups.. dreams by occupation.
    Fox Monacular: oh, no, not really
    Fox Monacular: ok
    Fox Monacular: I see:)
    Wol Euler: actually that might be an interesting correlation test
    Fox Monacular: some people do it
    Xs Andree: What did you want...when you were Four, then? it is a good age, it usually doesn't leave you.
    Fox Monacular: yeah, not so intereting thouh
    Wol Euler: do people who work with risk and violence dream differently?
    Raffila Millgrove: yeah no kidding. totally off the mark there. that's why i said nurses at the beginning.. wondering if diferent occupations had . similiar.. dreams..
    Fox Monacular: animal activists dream of..... drumroll...
    Fox Monacular: animalsQ
    Fox Monacular: !
    Wol Euler: cops, soldiers, first.response teams ...
    Raffila Millgrove: yes. that's what i was thinking..... are the occupations reflected in the dreams. i bet they are.
    Fox Monacular: i wonder, Woly
    Wol Euler nods.
    Fox Monacular: sure
    Raffila Millgrove: that's why i thought mediators ws amazing interesting choice.
    Fox Monacular: I mean yes
    Xs Andree: i did too.
    Fox Monacular: ok, I'm rewriting my proposal
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Fox Monacular: meditating mediators
    Raffila Millgrove: well Fox maybe next year you can ask the govt for funds to study dreams by occupation!
    Fox Monacular: I honestly don Wol Euler: you probably have the basics of that already in your profiles?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm do paralegals do mediation ?
    Xs Andree: you'll always find what you seek.
    Fox Monacular: other than the fact that their lived experiences will be represented in dreams
    Raffila Millgrove: i bet you would find.. a lot. as wol says. i bet those who are exposed to violent and bloody situations .. dream of it at night.
    Wol Euler: hmmmmm, yes, if you put it that way it does seem pretty obvious
    Fox Monacular: all night?
    Fox Monacular: thats called post-traumatic stress:)
    Raffila Millgrove: yes.. but then how do they dream of it.... do they solve problems in their dreams, save people.. or are they scared etc.
    Wol Euler grins.
    Fox Monacular: yes
    Raffila Millgrove: and what would mediators dream.. of solutions or of the conflict unresolved.
    Fox Monacular: everyone does to some extent
    Fox Monacular: dreams are very useful for insight
    Wol Euler nods.
    Fox Monacular: but you also have to be a good dreamer!
    Fox Monacular: to pay attention
    Fox Monacular: and to know what to focus on
    Raffila Millgrove: like would a big conflict.. be dreamed of over and over... that was a tough one. i bet it is.
    Fox Monacular: sure
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how to researchers split actual dreams from fiction during the attempt to remember a dream nicely ?
    Xs Andree: Do you know how to show someone how to be a good dreamer?
    Fox Monacular: yeah, Yaku,,, it's a problem
    Korel Laloix: That would be a nice skill.
    Fox Monacular: we have to trust them
    Raffila Millgrove: i discover two facts for self on dreams. 1. when i changed to really confortable bed I had fewer remembered dreams. 2. when i keep feet warm i tend to avoid nightmares.
    Wol Euler grins.
    Xirana Oximoxi: I go now...have a nice time all! :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye xirana
    Wol Euler: bye xir, enjoy the weekend
    Korel Laloix: Ciao
    Raffila Millgrove: bye Xiri. thanks for coming!
    Fox Monacular: interesting, Raffi
    Raffila Millgrove: i think.. that the warm feet.. might be universal. discomfort.. i think it ends up in nightmares. do you know if any truth to that Fox?
    Fox Monacular: I don;t think it's universal though
    Fox Monacular: embodied stuff is very individual
    Raffila Millgrove: i don't mean feet only... referring to any physical discomfort while sleeping.
    Fox Monacular: I like warm feet
    Fox Monacular: my daughter hates covers
    Fox Monacular: right
    Raffila Millgrove: i think maybe.. it encourages a nightmare if you are not comfortable in your sleeping place. too cold. achy shoulder.. like that.
    Fox Monacular: physical stuff gets incorporated into dreams
    Fox Monacular: but not always as nightmares
    Fox Monacular: but youre right in saying that dream emotion has probably (sometimes) something to do with bodily sensaions
    Raffila Millgrove: what techniques do you use to help people remember their dreams?
    Fox Monacular: mostly just dream diaries
    Fox Monacular: and waking them up during REM sleep, and asking right away what their dream was
    Raffila Millgrove nods. i found that people who like to talk rather than write.. they.. seem to enjoy if you ask first ting in morning.. what did you dream of last night.
    Fox Monacular: just paying attention over time helps
    Fox Monacular: yes
    Raffila Millgrove: yes exactly. the "over time".. it's helpful to repeat several days in a row.. to improve the memory of dream.
    Raffila Millgrove: whatever tool you're using. the repetition.. the practice.. seems to mean people can remember better in time.
    Xs Andree: Thank you
    Fox Monacular: for sure
    Raffila Millgrove: i find it a challenge when people say.. oh i don't dream or don't remember.. to see if you can get them to try.. something. if you can.. usually they do start to remember.
    Korel Laloix: I have been woring on remembering my dreams for about 4 years now... no luck.
    Raffila Millgrove: helpful if they live in your house or you see them frequently.
    Raffila Millgrove: oh if i lived with you Kori.. i think i could.. do it. help you remember.
    Raffila Millgrove: have to be in close proximity for that..
    Korel Laloix: I have a sleeping bag... smiles
    Xs Andree: i haven't remembered my dreams for a very long time, but i'm starting to again.
    Raffila Millgrove: gotta catch the person while they still a bit morning groggy. to prod them.
    Korel Laloix: The only ones I remember are nightmares.... said that in the dream workshop.
    Raffila Millgrove: it took me long time--to get my current husband to remember his dreams.
    Raffila Millgrove: now he is good at it.. but took me years of working on it.
    Raffila Millgrove: that dream workshop is 1 pm on Tuesday right? i am always trying to come at 2 pm.
    Wol Euler: yes, that's right
    Raffila Millgrove: it's always good..
    Raffila Millgrove: i like it.
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Fox Monacular: 1 on Tuesdays
    Fox Monacular: but I wont be able to make it until January
    Fox Monacular: calss
    Fox Monacular: class on tuedays
    Raffila Millgrove: oh? oh a shame.
    Fox Monacular: I know..
    Wol Euler: :(
    Raffila Millgrove: well .. we can keep the seat warm for you.
    Raffila Millgrove: if i can remember 1 and not 2.
    Fox Monacular: January though
    Fox Monacular: new start
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Fox Monacular: for me
    Fox Monacular: 1!
    Raffila Millgrove: lol
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Alfred Kelberry: woly!
    Raffila Millgrove: you are quiet Arcadia.. did you try this dream workshop led by Maxine on Tuesday at 1 pm, yet?
    Xs Andree: Where is the dream workshop held>
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at the kira cafe
    Raffila Millgrove: right close by here.
    Xs Andree nods
    Raffila Millgrove: in that nice cafe.. lots of intersting dreams are.. told and discussed.
    Wol Euler: that's the LM
    Raffila Millgrove: also good drinks of all kinds. if you are thirsty.
    Raffila Millgrove loves to eat and drink here in SL..
    Wol Euler: newcastle brown ale!
    Xs Andree: That is goood stuff
    Wol Euler: I learned to drink beer on Newkie Brown.
    Raffila Millgrove: oh.. that is hearty isn't it?
    Raffila Millgrove: pretty hearty brew?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Korel Laloix looks up Newkie Brown
    Xs Andree: i learned on Red Devil gravity filtered ale
    Wol Euler: can't get it in germany, alas
    Raffila Millgrove: no?
    Xs Andree: But 3 philosophers is my favorite
    Raffila Millgrove: surprising. i love all belgian beer/ales
    Wol Euler: well, it may be around in a few places, there's no law against importing it :) but I've never seen it on sale here
    Alfred Kelberry: woly, as in forced yourself to like the taste? :)
    Alfred Kelberry: xs ;)
    Wol Euler: no, as in I hadn't drunk beer before :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ah
    Alfred Kelberry: i actually think that this is what happens in most cases, cause beer isn't naturally pleasant to a human
    Wol Euler nods.
    Alfred Kelberry: i tried it in school and didn't like it
    Alfred Kelberry: so, i stopped :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you should check it and put it in a beer advent calendar for coworkers or friends
    Wol Euler: ooh, good idea!
    Wol Euler: hello san
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey san
    Santoshima Resident: hi just passing throug, walking to the retreat
    Alfred Kelberry: have you seen the movie ted?
    Raffila Millgrove: i agree on beer being acquired taste. but all my dogs have loved beer. dogs seem to like right away.
    Wol Euler: mind you, a beer advent calendar would give in a month what I would normally need two years to drink
    Alfred Kelberry: raff :)
    Raffila Millgrove: or maybe it's just greyhounds who like beer.
    Wol Euler: ah, yes, starts in ten minutes
    Raffila Millgrove: what starts?
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, they might. manly dogs.
    Raffila Millgrove: the movie?
    Wol Euler: I should go as well, start getting ready
    Fox Monacular: what starts?
    Alfred Kelberry: sl retreat
    Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care, be happy, dream well
    Korel Laloix: CIao
    Fox Monacular: oh, have a great one
    Raffila Millgrove: oh oh. so sorry. bye everyone. who is leaving.
    Raffila Millgrove: have a great retreat!!!!!!
    Raffila Millgrove: yayayayay
    Fox Monacular: I need to go too
    Alfred Kelberry: re-treat
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye retreaters
    Fox Monacular: will join uou next time
    Alfred Kelberry: foxy, come back soon!
    Fox Monacular: take care everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and fox
    Fox Monacular: yes, yes, I'll tr
    Fox Monacular: try
    Fox Monacular: reall
    Raffila Millgrove: oh i get this retreat is going to go good with ten people and everyone looking forward to it.
    Fox Monacular: reall
    Fox Monacular: reallY
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Fox Monacular: I miss this a lot
    Raffila Millgrove: yes Fox.. come again soon. we love having you.
    Alfred Kelberry: foxy, do you also miss st petersburg? :)
    Fox Monacular: nop
    Fox Monacular: moscow
    Fox Monacular: haha
    Alfred Kelberry: ha :)
    Fox Monacular: anyway, need to go now
    Korel Laloix: Would love to get to St Pete Russia.
    Korel Laloix: Ciao
    Fox Monacular: will see you all soon
    Fox Monacular: bye bye
    Xs Andree: it was good speaking with you, Fox.
    Alfred Kelberry: kori, why?
    Raffila Millgrove: bye everyone. hae a great weekend.
    Xs Andree nods
    Yakuzza Lethecus: have a great weekend raffi
    Korel Laloix: I spent a lot of time in St Pete Florida... and an ex of mine was born there... we were planning to go visit, but we broke up first.
    Xs Andree: <- listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTaYDuz2N9M
    Alfred Kelberry: oh yes, that hot russian blond?
    Alfred Kelberry: xs, i like the top comment :)
    Korel Laloix: Exteamley hot tall, leggy, overly tallented, smart Russian blond.
    Alfred Kelberry: mmm...
    Xs Andree: rut roh, look at his next comment...
    Korel Laloix: She is supermodel beutiful, but has a lot of self respect.
    Xs Andree: 'one more and i can be finally happy"
    Xs Andree: "die happy"
    Alfred Kelberry: kori, is she a siberian girl?
    Korel Laloix: They met in St Pete.
    Korel Laloix: Not sure of her long term herritage, but her dad I from Moscow and her mom is from somewhere why out east.
    Korel Laloix: Where she was born.
    Korel Laloix: Out of order sentances.
    Xs Andree giggles
    Korel Laloix: Then he was posted to Havana, and they managed to get to the US when she was little.
    Alfred Kelberry: neat
    Alfred Kelberry: does she visit russia?
    Korel Laloix: She has beena few times.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am falling asleep, comfortable weekend everyone!
    Korel Laloix: Cioa.
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    Alfred Kelberry: yaku :)
    Xs Andree nods
    Alfred Kelberry: sleep well
    Alfred Kelberry: haha
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ha!
    Xs Andree: poor Diogenes
    Alfred Kelberry: anyone remembers these guys? http://quietube3.com/v.php/http://ww...?v=z5rRZdiu1UE
    Xs Andree: hahah, yes!
    Korel Laloix: Without looking, I can almost postively say no.
    Alfred Kelberry: kori :P
    Alfred Kelberry: beastie boys
    Korel Laloix: I know a couple of their older songs.
    Xs Andree: I remember watching kung fu katas with the sword that uses the ribbon...and watching how beautiful the motions were that looked as if they were in reverse...
    Mic Gainsbourg: back was aftk
    Mic Gainsbourg: waht vids you gusy watching?
    Xs Andree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg2segLZoeA
    Mic Gainsbourg: or ladies watching?
    Xs Andree: mooosak
    Alfred Kelberry: mic, sharing music clips
    Mic Gainsbourg: nice
    Xs Andree: lol i thought beastie boys was done
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, jimi boy
    Xs Andree: okay, now beastie boys is done
    Xs Andree: yeaah...Jimiiii
    Xs Andree: have you ever been experienced..
    Xs Andree: ...I have...
    Xs Andree: I wish i could find the performance of morrison, hendrix and joplin doing "Another Peice of my heart"
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, btw - congrats to colorado and washington :)
    Alfred Kelberry: xs, ah, that'd be cool
    Xs Andree: Trumpets and violins I hear in the distance..
    Xs Andree: I think I can hear them, calling our name..
    Xs Andree: i think i understand..why it is important to allow an aggressor to draw the fist move.
    Xs Andree: If you are in the moment, mind free from concern or fear, then the aggressor must detactch from such a moment in order to attack
    Xs Andree: and you know exactly how to act without thought.
    Xs Andree: You do not need to lose your center.
    Xs Andree: I was thinking about Aikido.
    Mic Gainsbourg: take care pretty ladies i go explore around a bit on sl
    Xs Andree nods to mic
    Mic Gainsbourg: i new to this type talk so very interesting to me hea this talk will elearn alto here
    Xs Andree: I would be happy to see you again, mic
    Mic Gainsbourg: see you all at next talk
    Xs Andree smiles
    Xs Andree: Tyler is born.
    Xs Andree: Nov Vth, 2012, Happy birthday, Tyler
    Alfred Kelberry: tyler durden? :)
    Alfred Kelberry: this is the guy pab is missing :)
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Korel Laloix: What did I miss?
    Xs Andree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ywDI8VCb5Zs
    Alfred Kelberry: not sure, i wasn't around
    Xs Andree: dreams
    Korel Laloix: That is quite funny... smiles
    Xs Andree smiles to korel
    Xs Andree: Welcome back
    Alfred Kelberry: xs, there's a lack of a true leader to make this revolution a reality
    Korel Laloix: The thing is, what all the revelutionaries want is to be the next dictator.
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, that's how it often works out :)
    Xs Andree: That is the point, Boxy. It is a phase transition. The beginning of freedom. We are all its leaders. No one person's vision has ever been adequate to see to the needs of everyone. In the end, Anonymous must die and pass with the old world as well, and be reborn into an idea of freedom and dignity for all people.
    Xs Andree: Order arises naturally from chaos
    Xs Andree: or else...
    Xs Andree: we wouldn't be here to discuss it.
    Xs Andree: Our own individual biology is far more self-correcting, self sustaining complex and organized than anything we have ever contrived to build.
    Xs Andree: how did it get here, if order does not naturally arise from chaos?
    Xs Andree: Thermodynamically, order IS chaos...it is advanced, it is more chaos than what we consider chaos.
    Xs Andree: so..there are no opposites between order and chaos, only the two sides of our perspective
    Xs Andree: there is heat and less heat, but there is no cold.
    Xs Andree: anonymous isn't an organization. It is the repulsion of the idea of fame and personal prestige
    Xs Andree: it is the rejection that who says something is more important than what is said
    Korel Laloix: I agree with the ideas you are talking about.. but I don't think there is good modeling or understanding to be able to really predict.
    Xs Andree: why do we need to?
    Xs Andree: Thermodynamics does it for us. One way or the other.
    Xs Andree: it favors order, because the universe has been increasing in entropy for 13.7 billion years
    Xs Andree: and there is more entropy in order than in random, pirmitive chaos
    Xs Andree: and as the universe cools, it gets stranger still...near absolute zero the quantum happens on the macroscopic scale.
    Korel Laloix: Well, as we don't understand entropy as expressed... we don't even know the 13/7GY is accurate. o
    Xs Andree: entropy is reaching it's maxiumum, in the shape of order
    Korel Laloix: Anyway... strange ideas.
    Xs Andree: it isn't.
    Xs Andree: but the universe is still in infancy.
    Xs Andree: And I agree, we don't understand entropy very much.
    Xs Andree: But, we do understand that order has greater entropy than randomness
    Xs Andree: The greater the randomness of a system, the more likely order will come of it, because it is the only change that can happen.
    Xs Andree: the more order, the more likely randomness will peek out from it, because it is the only change that can happen
    Xs Andree: the rest is like a tendency toward greater entropy, but most of the material I've read on it...if you do the proper accounting, you find that entropy always increases
    Korel Laloix: Almost ready to get out of her eand go home... smiles
    Korel Laloix: brb
    Xs Andree: Will Gilles be coming back that you now, Boxy?
    Xs Andree: know
    Alfred Kelberry: i think so
    Xs Andree: Good. I miss him
    Alfred Kelberry: he was expelled from this group a while back for being critical
    Alfred Kelberry: so he doesn't come often
    Korel Laloix: Bozho Lukey
    Alfred Kelberry: heh, interesting girls/boys evaluation: http://i.imgur.com/dOnoV.jpg
    Alfred Kelberry: yo, luke
    Lukey Woodget: Bozho Korel
    Lukey Woodget: give me a kiss babey
    Korel Laloix: You wish... lol
    Lukey Woodget: why not
    Xs Andree hugs Lukey
    Korel Laloix: YOu are not my type... just accept it... smiles
    Korel Laloix: Realloy.. to be hones.. it's the hat.
    Korel Laloix: It is sooooo 1970s.
    Xs Andree: I love it.
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Lukey Woodget: oh the hat i just a thing
    Xs Andree: but giant rabbits with big black eyes tearing apart wolves was a nightmare of mine as a child...so...
    Lukey Woodget: its the script in the hat
    Xs Andree: Ruijah Rabbits
    Lukey Woodget: the hat caries a script
    Lukey Woodget: it is just something to carry something
    Lukey Woodget: want to try
    Korel Laloix: Scripts are over rated.
    Lukey Woodget: your mind it not
    Lukey Woodget: want to try
    Lukey Woodget: want to play the quiz
    Xs Andree: sure
    Lukey Woodget: you want to try
    Lukey Woodget: ?
    Xs Andree nods
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, kori. please accept my condolences about the election.
    Lukey Woodget: the question is worth 200ld
    Lukey Woodget: if you can get it
    Xs Andree: oh i don't play for money, hon
    Lukey Woodget: it is what you win
    Xs Andree: I don't need to win
    Lukey Woodget: from me
    Xs Andree: just to experience the quiz, I"m curious
    Lukey Woodget: when the question starts
    Korel Laloix: As i said before.. was like waiting for my biopsy results.
    Lukey Woodget: dont answer
    Xs Andree: kk
    Korel Laloix: I knew I was screwed.. just did not know how bad.
    Xs Andree: lol Korel
    Lukey Woodget: oh my
    Xs Andree: too true
    Korel Laloix: But this was a worse choice than Romney.
    Korel Laloix: The really bad things was the Boston senate race.
    Korel Laloix: That was tragic.
    Alfred Kelberry: kori, oh, about the shooting?
    Xs Andree: I'm ready, lukey
    Korel Laloix: No.. the woman that won the race claimed to be Cherokee and was not...... and used her lie to gain status and money.
    Alfred Kelberry: eek
    Alfred Kelberry: who is she?
    Korel Laloix: But in fact was decendant of the people that actually set up the trail of tears.
    Lukey Woodget: its ok i think there more important things going on
    Korel Laloix: I can't remember the bitches name.
    Xs Andree: why would they vote for her because she was cherokee?
    Korel Laloix: Because she said she was a minority... lol.. sick.
    Xs Andree: Welcome to the Xomby Apocalypse.
    Korel Laloix: So the party that I claim sided with this woman tht made a mokery of my people.
    Korel Laloix: Sick and sad.
    Alfred Kelberry: what's trail of tears?
    Lukey Woodget: they are not real people
    Lukey Woodget: the law will stand nomater who is in
    Xs Andree: mass forced migration of the cherokee people to a reservation far from their homeland, many cherokee died on the trail
    Korel Laloix: Trail of tears is when various First American Nations were death marched to Oklahoma and other resevations.
    Xs Andree: nope, just legal entities
    Korel Laloix: So it means that my political party has really abandoned my people....
    Xs Andree: most of them even had those lands taken from them as well, later, even though it was promised to them "en perpetuity"
    Korel Laloix: Really have no idea what to do with that...
    Korel Laloix: Making me think.
    Xs Andree: Korel...you are bright and intelligent.
    Xs Andree: There is no reason you need a party to influence change in the world.
    Korel Laloix: Well.. I am not sure about the intelligent part.. I just work hard.
    Xs Andree smiles
    Xs Andree: I am.
    Xs Andree: You are smart and creative, intuitive and insightful as well.
    Korel Laloix: Thanks.. but not sure I agree with that...
    Xs Andree: ...because the answers you know don't agree with the text you were handed
    Alfred Kelberry: and also, you're preeetty :)
    Xs Andree: you are beautiful.
    Korel Laloix: You are just saying that boxy becuase it is true... smiles
    Xs Andree: and very determined.
    Alfred Kelberry: oh wait, kori, i have something for you...
    Xs Andree: and so very modest
    Xs Andree: :D
    Alfred Kelberry: there, click the box :)
    Korel Laloix: I am proud of my humility.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Xs Andree giggles
    Korel Laloix: Well, that is sort of obvious.
    Xs Andree: eee hee hee hee!
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, one more type
    Alfred Kelberry: *time
    Alfred Kelberry: agreed
    Korel Laloix: Again... obvious.
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Xs Andree: wow
    Xs Andree: this thing is like...dead on
    Xs Andree: eee!!
    Xs Andree: try it lukey!
    Alfred Kelberry: gah, grammar
    Lukey Woodget: its all to much for me
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Xs Andree: ....order, coming out of chaos
    Xs Andree: I saw a woman guess 18 flips of a coin correctly out of 18 flips
    Xs Andree: the person flipping the coin stopped at 18 instead of going to 20
    Xs Andree: I think he didn't want to know the last two
    Lukey Woodget: what will we ever do
    Xs Andree: Be happy
    Xs Andree: Be the change we envision in the world
    Lukey Woodget: im happy in my own world
    Alfred Kelberry: in your 70s hat :)
    Xs Andree smiles
    Xs Andree: I love that hat
    Lukey Woodget: well you never tryed it
    Xs Andree: I like wide brimmed hats, with large flloofy plumes
    Lukey Woodget: so you cant talk
    Riddle Sideways: hui
    Xs Andree: Hi Riddle!
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Lukey Woodget: hi riddle
    Riddle Sideways: just dropped in
    Riddle Sideways: are ya'll still here from 1pm ?
    Xs Andree nods
    Alfred Kelberry: mr riddle
    Xs Andree: me can't help touching the box again
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Xs Andree: me snickers
    Xs Andree: Kore...baby, marry me?
    Alfred Kelberry: oh! a proposal! :)
    Korel Laloix: Sorry.. already had one offer this week.
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Alfred Kelberry: doh...
    Xs Andree: it doesn't count.
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Korel Laloix: And had three at Haloween...
    Xs Andree: yesterday started a new week...
    Riddle Sideways: did you take it?
    Korel Laloix: NO... sorry.
    Korel Laloix: Was too busy you know..
    Xs Andree: I would never interfere with your life or dreams, dear.
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Korel Laloix: Thanks.
    Xs Andree: You can be as busy as you like...and I'll be there to rub your feet and temples, and make sure brakfast is ready so you can swoosh out the door
    Korel Laloix: Tease
    Xs Andree: Oh, you think?
    Korel Laloix: I love having my lower back rubbed...
    Alfred Kelberry: i think you'd make a great couple :)
    Xs Andree murrs
    Xs Andree: i love giving back rubs
    Korel Laloix: And I do like older and complient.... most of the time....smiles
    Korel Laloix: But I am very happy with Reeba right now.
    Xs Andree: oh, i'm not compliant
    Korel Laloix: Meeting her parents this weekend... sort of scary.
    Xs Andree: oooh.
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, have to go
    Alfred Kelberry: you be good guys
    Korel Laloix: CIao
    Korel Laloix: That is going to be a stress.
    Xs Andree: That is okay, we were just testing Boxy's ego box.
    Riddle Sideways: by
    Korel Laloix: Her mom is full blood Commanche..
    Riddle Sideways: ah remembering the parent meeting is coming next week
    Korel Laloix: Will be interesting for sure.
    Korel Laloix: Ciao
    Riddle Sideways: need to go too, buy
    Xs Andree: I should be going, and checking on some other things. Thank you for being with me, Korel, Arcadia, Lukey.
    Korel Laloix: Take care.. smiles
    Korel Laloix: Heading home.
    Xs Andree waves
    Xs Andree: /ao on
    Lukey Woodget: what happened

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