2012.11.11 19:00 - Creative Frontiers

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    The Guardian for this meeting was PlayAsBeing. The comments are by PlayAsBeing.

    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening Paradise :)
    Paradise Tennant: hey cal :))
    Paradise Tennant: smiles my brother and I are having a rousing .. going back and forth conversation on the nature of the divine
    Calvino Rabeni: :) oh, now? Online?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles reminds of mitzi almos :)
    Calvino Rabeni: yes

    Paradise Tennant: no he is sitting drinking a very good bottle of my malbec :) a 3 week visit on his way home from languedoc
    Paradise Tennant: ops now we are on to the cathars
    Paradise Tennant: how are you travel plans coming along ?
    Calvino Rabeni: You must have a lot in common :)
    Calvino Rabeni: To have a rousing discussion of Cathars
    Paradise Tennant: smiles as I have only one brother it is lovely that I like him so well :)
    Calvino Rabeni: That is really fortunate :)
    Paradise Tennant: the albigensian heresy ... !
    Calvino Rabeni: ah yes .. the albig .. what? :)
    Paradise Tennant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism
    Calvino Rabeni: The interest and importance of the so-called Albigensian Heresy[1] lie in the fact that while it bears " a local habitation and a name/' its actual habitation was not local, and its name is misleading. Its origin must be traced back to pre-Christian Ages, and its fruits will remain for ages to come.
    Calvino Rabeni: Now, after reading that, I suspect it could be a while before I'm graced with an epiphany :)
    Calvino Rabeni: (reads)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: rather grim really
    Calvino Rabeni: The Cathars' beliefs are thought to have come originally from Eastern Europe and the Byzantine Empire by way of trade routes.
    Paradise Tennant: yes they were civilized :))
    Paradise Tennant: peaceful
    Paradise Tennant: productive
    Paradise Tennant: virtuous :)
    Calvino Rabeni: That sounds like it led to trouble ?
    Paradise Tennant: extinction
    Calvino Rabeni: Definition (4) of byzantine
    Calvino Rabeni: a : of, relating to, or characterized by a devious and usually surreptitious manner of operation b : intricately involved : labyrinthine
    Calvino Rabeni: It all starts to look like an intriguing problem of public relations ... or a group on the wrong side of history
    Calvino Rabeni: a feel of being one of those "alternate realities"
    Calvino Rabeni: that we don't hear enough about
    Calvino Rabeni: a side trip on the developmental tree, that under other circumstances might have been a trunk
    Paradise Tennant: yes most of their texts were destroyed
    Paradise Tennant: they were very eglatarian
    Paradise Tennant: egalitarian
    Paradise Tennant: female priest ..were artisans ..lots of cathar art
    Calvino Rabeni: sounds like a good background story for imaginative historical fiction
    Paradise Tennant: would be a sad story
    Calvino Rabeni: or as some say, imagined alternative realities
    Calvino Rabeni: the one where things turned out differently
    Paradise Tennant: hmm alternative realities we saw an excellent film called cloud atlas
    Paradise Tennant: you would like it long but very entertaining
    Calvino Rabeni: I heard a bit about it
    Calvino Rabeni: it risks complexity

    Paradise Tennant: cathars were like early western buddists vegetarians ;))
    Paradise Tennant: yes 6 stories but well woven
    Paradise Tennant: some very good performances
    Calvino Rabeni: "The asceticism of the ' Perfect ' in particular went beyond that of the severest monasticism, for they eschewed meat always, and not merely at certain times of the year, as well as all food produced by generation Their relationship of the sexes was ultra-strict. Their word was their bond, and their religion forbade them to mar it with an oath."
    Calvino Rabeni: "WE are now in a position to study more closely the documents from which an estimate may be formed of the beliefs and practices of those whom the Church exerted its full strength to destroy. Our task is not a simple one, because, as already stated, there was not one heresy, but many, and we are dependent for our knowledge of their tenets almost entirely upon their enemies whose odium theologicum discounts their trustworthiness."
    Paradise Tennant: smiles my brother is talking of cycling round many of the cathar landmarks
    Calvino Rabeni: As in bicycling?
    Paradise Tennant: a thousand years of history .. a mille ans d'histoire
    Paradise Tennant: yep
    Calvino Rabeni: An excellent way to go ...
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm going to try similar with the temples and other landmarks of Bangkok
    Calvino Rabeni: you had asked earlier
    Calvino Rabeni: two things a bit different this time .. more attention to logistics, enabled by google earth and maps, plus the idea of bicycling, which I think is an IDEAL means of transportation for getting to know a place
    Calvino Rabeni: one can cover kilometers, yet be right on the ground and stop at a moment's notice, never stuck in traffic, flexible as a walker
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: yes much better pace to really see
    Paradise Tennant: motor bike is too fast
    Calvino Rabeni: I should have been a geographer by profession
    Calvino Rabeni: as I like to systematically explore the complex webs of a place
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes that would be a good choice as a career
    Calvino Rabeni: somewhat scientifically
    Paradise Tennant: or second career :)
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: the mass transit systems are fast and inexpensive, almost like teleporting in second life. One can "sample" the area at numerous points quite easily
    Calvino Rabeni: I spent some time getting a mental map of the connections between the systems
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.google.ca/...
    Paradise Tennant: really big city .. did not realize how big

    Calvino Rabeni: in one case you can take the skytrain to the end of the line, then walk a bit to a very old train station, and take an hour trip down to the coast, through rural areas
    Calvino Rabeni: "undeveloped"
    stevenaia Michinaga: evening
    Paradise Tennant: hiya stev
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: ooops, seems I;ve been lagging the past 90 seconds
    Paradise Tennant: krungthrep :) city of angels
    Calvino Rabeni: U.S. has one too :)
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a new shopping center, one of the biggest,, with theme "cities" on each level.
    Calvino Rabeni: San Francisco on one level ... with a replica of the Golden Gate Bridge, and next level up, the U.S. City of Angels, Hollywood :)
    Paradise Tennant: ko samui is suppose to be nice
    Calvino Rabeni: it has a nice "secret garden" hidden (often) in the clouds near the summit
    Calvino Rabeni: where there are a number of statues carved from the stone there, life sized people, musicians, fanciful creatures
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.samuicam.com/
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.flickr.com/photos/leeroyhamilton/4724859839/
    Calvino Rabeni: http://samui.sawadee.com/attractions/magicgarden.htm
    Paradise Tennant: lovely
    Calvino Rabeni: A good place to Sit for a long time

    Calvino Rabeni: There are certain places that seem to draw one back again
    Calvino Rabeni: for a way of being outside of "been there, done that" list ticking
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. some places attract .. they feel comfortable .. like a second skin
    Calvino Rabeni: or they make a place for you
    Calvino Rabeni: or become a being-reference point
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: yes a being reference point
    stevenaia Michinaga: ...listening to the Mass, ty
    Calvino Rabeni: Interesting to find places that are not on one's habitual map of possibilities
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: some places are harder to get to but so wonderful when you are there
    Calvino Rabeni: for instance, outdoor spaces that are comfortable and safe at night ...lively with people .. it's something that doesn't happen much in this country, except perhaps for special events like festivals
    Calvino Rabeni: hehe
    Calvino Rabeni: one bicycle tour actually goes through people's living rooms
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: as their living rooms expand to include an alley (I think)
    Calvino Rabeni: there's a famous combination vegetable market and train track
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, packes right up
    Calvino Rabeni: when the train goes by everything quickly folds up like the flat pieces in a pop-out book
    Calvino Rabeni: and the instant its gone, fall back into place

    Paradise Tennant: smiles you would want to get the schedule right
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd planned to travel that out-of-the-way line, and afterwards learned, it has that particular market as well as a notable and not-well-frequented Kwan Yin temple
    Calvino Rabeni: two bonuses :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: But then my travels aren't destination driven, so the things that pop up or occur along the way are bonuses rather than the reason for the journey
    Calvino Rabeni: "it's the journey, not the destination" etc.
    Paradise Tennant: wish I had my brother's facility with languages because when you can interreact with the people in their own language it is so much more a natural connection
    Paradise Tennant: yes much better when there is just flow
    Calvino Rabeni: He's gifted with language skills ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: night my friends
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite stev
    Calvino Rabeni: Nighty night Stev
    stevenaia Michinaga: long day
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes he speaks 5 languages :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: ty
    Calvino Rabeni: The beat poets, the French surrealists, and the readers of the Bhagavad Gita I think, all had some connection to the flow principle
    Calvino Rabeni: Which 5 languages?
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm starting to enjoy tech-augmented travel too, like talking dictionaries that are in your pocket phone
    Paradise Tennant: french, spanish, english, indonesian, german
    Paradise Tennant: hiya luci !!!
    Calvino Rabeni: Cinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi ya all:)
    Paradise Tennant: we are talking of traveling to far away magical places
    Paradise Tennant: oh an dutch and a bit of hindi
    Lucinda Lavender: nice!
    Calvino Rabeni: and language prodigies, and I think, the crossing of different tracks of knowledge
    Paradise Tennant: fun travelling companion
    Paradise Tennant: spent five years travelling just out of university .. came back wiser :) and fluent
    Calvino Rabeni: I was at Trader Joes, and the checker chatted a bit ... I was interested in her choice of study topics at the uni - Sculpture, Anatomy, and Latin.
    Calvino Rabeni: (thought that was an interesting diverse combination)
    Paradise Tennant: hmm it is
    Paradise Tennant: but all relate :)
    Calvino Rabeni: that was a good five years
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting
    Calvino Rabeni: good choice .. I wish I'd had the resource at that time to do some overseas study as part of university
    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening Hi Santo :)
    Santoshima Resident: good evening :)
    Lucinda Lavender: good evening San
    Paradise Tennant: hiya san
    Santoshima Resident: hiya, please continue
    Paradise Tennant: well we have been talking of travelling :))
    Santoshima Resident: oh!
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm intrigued by a city that has so many layers of history threaded together like spider webs
    Calvino Rabeni: (no grid)
    Lucinda Lavender: I do not plan any travelling...am just sitting by the fire


    Calvino Rabeni: the ancient canals with their old teak houses and stone crypts are at the base of huge buildings with fantasy scenes incorporating yet other places and cities
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.thaiwebsites.com/images/Terminal21/bridge-small.jpg
    Paradise Tennant: yowser did not realize how late it was :)) should say " kob-kun-(mak) " and "ra-tee-sa-was "
    Calvino Rabeni: ohh yes time flies (or flows)
    Calvino Rabeni: good night dream well
    Santoshima Resident: good night,, paradise
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite my friends dream well :))
    Calvino Rabeni: sawadee :)
    Santoshima Resident: what place is the image, Cal?
    Santoshima Resident: oh, thailand
    Calvino Rabeni: Terminal 21, a mall building designed to look like an airport, containing theme replicas of other cities within it
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.cnngo.com/bangkok/shop/bangkok-shopping-whats-inside-terminal-21-citys-newest-mall-092302
    Calvino Rabeni: Each floor of this Bangkok shopping mall has a different theme based on various cities around the world, so it's like traveling to a new shopping venue when you hit each floor. And the designers placed gorgeous statues and icons of each city in their respective sections. For example, the bottom level, a Caribbean-themed supermarket floor, has some beach decor and a huge lighthouse right in the middle of the floor.
    Santoshima Resident: cool
    Calvino Rabeni: third level, Istanbul
    Lucinda Lavender: wow amazing]
    Santoshima Resident: one stop travel?
    Calvino Rabeni: Tokyo, London, San Francisco, Hollywood
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not sure how I feel about Hollywood being the top level
    Calvino Rabeni: Good place to go for free WiFi and, to get out of the heat
    Santoshima Resident: seems ok location ... in the clouds
    Calvino Rabeni: nods
    Santoshima Resident: when do you go?
    Santoshima Resident: or, not known
    Calvino Rabeni: not known, within a month if all goes well
    Lucinda Lavender: pretty exciting!
    Santoshima Resident: for how long will you travel?
    Santoshima Resident: or, perhaps also not known?
    Calvino Rabeni: it is a bit opportunistic, but I think, 3-4 months
    Santoshima Resident: { sorry, i could just as well send a general query, something like: who, what, when, where, why? :) }
    Santoshima Resident: i'll look forward to hearing about your travels as they unfold ~
    Calvino Rabeni: thanks ... I think I have the time zones figured out

    Calvino Rabeni: It's been awhile since I've been able to travel, and it's taken time to get motivated for it .. hopefully, I'm learning to appreciate the meaning of procrastination
    Lucinda Lavender: :))
    Santoshima Resident: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: sometimes having waited a long time is just the thing to inspire one
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Here's an essay I like
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.davidwhyte.com/pdf%20files/Readers_Circle/Procrastination.pdf
    Santoshima Resident: thank you ~ and will wish you both a nice evening
    Santoshima Resident: surprised to find you still here, lovely ~
    Calvino Rabeni: Good to see you here tonight
    Santoshima Resident: { was taking a break from bookkeeping ... }
    Lucinda Lavender: I want to learn how not to have eyemake up on the eyes:)
    Santoshima Resident: which eyes?
    Lucinda Lavender: do I need to buy new ones?
    Lucinda Lavender: the eyes I am wearing
    Santoshima Resident: these here eyes? ok!
    Santoshima Resident: um
    Santoshima Resident: IM
    Santoshima Resident: for details
    Lucinda Lavender: ok
    Santoshima Resident: many eye options
    Lucinda Lavender: ok
    Lucinda Lavender: I will im you
    Santoshima Resident: we will talk about the eyes and other things soon!
    Santoshima Resident: cioa for now
    Lucinda Lavender: the link about procrastination sounds good
    Santoshima Resident: ciao
    Calvino Rabeni: dream well
    Santoshima Resident: yeah
    Santoshima Resident: bye
    Lucinda Lavender: sweet dreams
    Lucinda Lavender: san
    Lucinda Lavender: I am kind of quietly relaxing
    Calvino Rabeni: Looking yourself in the eyes :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yep
    Lucinda Lavender: eye makeup is distracting
    Calvino Rabeni: looks self in eyes .. it still feels uncanny
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe I will go shopping for new eyes
    Lucinda Lavender: sleep well
    Calvino Rabeni: may you find what you are envisioning
    Lucinda Lavender: :))
    Calvino Rabeni: thanks you also
    Calvino Rabeni: bye :)


    Any creative frontier is by its nature a conversational frontier, it is a meeting of the inner and the outer worlds we inhabit, it is a knitting together, a growing together, a surprising arrival with its own, to begin with, unknown unfolding, caught within it as part of its genius.

    To hate our procrastinating tendencies is in some way to hate our relationship with time itself, to be unequal to the phenomenology of revelation and the way it works its own way in its very own gifted time, only emerging when the qualities it represents have a firm correspondence in our necessarily struggling heart and imagination.


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    a 'thin places' sort of session _/ \_
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