2012.11.12 07:00 - On how SL can enhance RL and more ...

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    The Guardian for this meeting was szavanna Resident. The comments are by szavanna Resident.

    szavanna Resident: hi Liz & Xiri °͜°
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xiri, Sun :)
    Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you both
    Xirana Oximoxi: nice to see both of you too:)
    szavanna Resident: how was the retreat °͜°
    Eliza Madrigal: Sun you look positively royal today
    szavanna Resident: I do?
    Eliza Madrigal: I think so, very grand
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    szavanna Resident: its called a sunshine dress
    szavanna Resident: I feel responsible to bring the sun :)
    szavanna Resident: hi Johny °͜°
    Xirana Oximoxi: wow...wonderful necklace and outfit Sun!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Johny :)
    Johny Malheur: hi all °͜°
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Johny!
    szavanna Resident: ty Xiri ;)) master of colors
    Eliza Madrigal: ..hums "but tomorrow main rain so, I'll follow the sun..."
    szavanna Resident: hehe I love when Liz sings
    szavanna Resident: Johny its your first time here right?
    Xirana Oximoxi: Liz is singing?
    szavanna Resident: well she sings in a "texty" way
    Johny Malheur: i have been passing through
    Eliza Madrigal: was text-humming a sweet little beatles song...
    Xirana Oximoxi: ahhhh lol!! ok:))
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    szavanna Resident: ok so you know that we record these sessions?
    Johny Malheur: ops
    Johny Malheur: must behave
    szavanna Resident: yes definitely
    szavanna Resident: ;o)
    Arisia Vita: greetings all
    Johny Malheur: hi ari °͜°
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Ari ^^
    szavanna Resident: brb one sec
    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq7DGPYzAvg
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Ari:)
    szavanna Resident: back °͜°
    szavanna Resident: hi Ari °͜° welcome
    szavanna Resident checks link
    Eliza Madrigal: beatles are so hummable
    szavanna Resident: mm nothing like the Beatles
    Xirana Oximoxi: wb Sun:)
    szavanna Resident: ty :)
    szavanna Resident: not sure about this weeks topic
    szavanna Resident: I am a bit unprepared
    Arisia Vita: you are here, that is enough for me
    Xirana Oximoxi: free converstaion
    Eliza Madrigal: we are in the topics bardo
    szavanna Resident: free - I like free
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    szavanna Resident: what I am really interested to hear is ...
    szavanna Resident: the retreat :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh :) what would like to know?
    szavanna Resident: how was it Liz
    szavanna Resident: you met twice or three times per day?
    Eliza Madrigal: honest-to-goodness lovely
    szavanna Resident: oh so it went well
    Eliza Madrigal: we met once on Friday, for a short session, then two two-hour sessions Saturday and Sunday
    szavanna Resident: how many people came?
    Eliza Madrigal: 8, because at the last moment Aggers had a work opportunity and had to miss
    szavanna Resident: was it similar to the one I have been to?
    Eliza Madrigal: (and we missed her)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure Sun, because I didn't attend that one :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: ahh that's a nice number
    szavanna Resident: there was meditation first
    szavanna Resident: then everyone talked a bit
    Xirana Oximoxi: I thought it were 'silent' sessions:)
    Eliza Madrigal: there were interspersed meditations, and we took the light frame of You Seeing- Being Seeing for discussions
    Eliza Madrigal: On Sunday it was "slelnt day" in between sessions
    szavanna Resident: sounds lovely °͜°
    Eliza Madrigal: but what is interesting is that an SL retreat
    Eliza Madrigal: is really a RL personal retreat
    Eliza Madrigal: with SL supports
    szavanna Resident: hmm yes
    Eliza Madrigal: so it was a very different retreat for each attending
    Eliza Madrigal: some had work, some had unexpected situations that came up...
    Eliza Madrigal: so we worked with all that, while keeping in 'retreat mode'
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes...I suppose that sharing it make a difference
    szavanna Resident: yes I have always been wondering how SL can support RL ... or enhance
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    szavanna Resident: I think it can do a lot
    Eliza Madrigal: that is the question, Sun! Eos asked that at some point during the time, too
    Xirana Oximoxi: it's totally connected for me in a lot of ways
    szavanna Resident: connected?
    szavanna Resident: sl and rl?
    Xirana Oximoxi: well...not for meditation, because I don't practice it...
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes Sun:) sl and rl:)
    szavanna Resident: in what way Xiri - is it connected
    szavanna Resident: I think its nice to focus on the connection between the two worlds
    szavanna Resident: to see how they complement each other
    Xirana Oximoxi: feelings for exemple... I am totally aware that we are real people, even if we use an avatar
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    szavanna Resident: ah yes
    szavanna Resident: me too
    szavanna Resident: which is interesting actually
    Arisia Vita: the masks we wear in sl drop away to reveal another face of our spirits
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    szavanna Resident: how intensely we feel each others presence
    Johny Malheur: yes Ari
    szavanna Resident: so interesting Ari
    Eliza Madrigal: *complement each other* <--each can make space for the other (Sl/RL) to be heard
    Eliza Madrigal: seen
    Arisia Vita: a chance to show that love can transcend appearances
    szavanna Resident: yes Liz to me everything is part of one big whole
    szavanna Resident: so it makes no sense to say - there is only SL
    szavanna Resident: its not true hehe
    szavanna Resident: but we can't say there is only RL either
    Johny Malheur: love transcends bodies
    szavanna Resident: Johny °͜°
    Arisia Vita: love transcends everything
    Xirana Oximoxi: no...it's a complement or a way to enlarge the possibilitites of our life
    szavanna Resident: sigh ...Ari you win ...nothing can be said after that ;o)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Arisia Vita: the only proper response is a hug :)
    Arisia Vita: *hug*
    szavanna Resident: yes its like we can get more out of our lives - than those that don't use SL?
    Xirana Oximoxi: ((hug))
    szavanna Resident: (( big universal hug ))
    Arisia Vita: color me happy :)
    Johny Malheur: how real is RL ?
    szavanna Resident: hmm not sure :)
    Arisia Vita: reality is inside us, not outside
    Xirana Oximoxi: it depends Sun.... maybe I come to find things I have more difficult in RL...
    szavanna Resident: like?
    Xirana Oximoxi: like the fun I have with my exhibits here:))
    Johny Malheur: we have senses and we form a picture inside us of thr RL
    szavanna Resident: you can't do that in RL?
    Xirana Oximoxi: and also learning lñanguages and socialising with interesting people:)
    szavanna Resident: hmm yes very interesting people °͜°
    Xirana Oximoxi: in RL it is far more difficult and expensive
    Eliza Madrigal looks around suspiciously
    Johny Malheur: its also easier to fly here
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)))
    Arisia Vita: welcome Zen
    szavanna Resident: Zenji :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Zen:)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    szavanna Resident: welcome have a seat
    Johny Malheur: hi Zen
    Xirana Oximoxi: and to be a very good dancer and never get tired:)
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    szavanna Resident: and play sitar
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: everything has costs... sometimes we don't see that at first... that SL still needs balancing (speaking for myself)
    szavanna Resident: I find it hard to balance SL and RL
    Eliza Madrigal: at first I felt like it was all 'free' but there is time 'spent' and 'emotion'...etc
    Johny Malheur: what kind of balancing Eliza ?
    Eliza Madrigal: energy
    Xirana Oximoxi: for me, the most important is to be able if it has a good or positive effect in my life
    Xirana Oximoxi: to be able to value
    Eliza Madrigal: so where do you look, to see that Xiri?
    Xirana Oximoxi: good question Eliza:)...I must be confident in my own appretiation
    szavanna Resident: hmm I love that ...
    Xirana Oximoxi: and of course, I may be wrong and not beeing aware of it
    Zen Arado: SL is a distraction for me
    Zen Arado: should be working at my course
    szavanna Resident: oh can't you take a break?
    szavanna Resident looks sad
    Xirana Oximoxi: hehe Zen....me too, but I need to do a break time to time:))
    Zen Arado: was researching slaughterhouses
    Zen Arado: hmm
    szavanna Resident: really? what for Zenji?
    Johny Malheur: slaughterhouses ?
    Zen Arado: want to write a story in which somebody works in one for a little while
    Xirana Oximoxi: are you writing a crimi story??? :) 'slaughter....
    Zen Arado: was when I was in Australia
    Eliza Madrigal musing on "confident in my appreciations" :)
    szavanna Resident: yes I am also pondering that Liz
    Zen Arado: my friends worked on one in Townsville Queensland
    szavanna Resident: and what did they say it was like?
    Zen Arado: gruesome
    szavanna Resident: I have never been in one
    Zen Arado: they hit the cows on the head with a sledgehammer to stun them
    szavanna Resident: omg
    Zen Arado: then slit their throats
    Johny Malheur: coudnt do that
    Arisia Vita: I am empathic and this is hard on me...
    Zen Arado: guess we prefer not to know those things
    Zen Arado: anyway change the subject
    Zen Arado: it isn't nice
    Arisia Vita: not quite, my preference is that they not exist :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: I give you a link that talks about virtual words and also the way it's changing our lives and relationships and... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRmtN...ure=plpp_video
    Zen Arado: if we didn't eat meat not many cows or sheep would exist
    Xirana Oximoxi: also some danger of using it and forgetting that RL is very important:)
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Xiri - I have such a crush on him :)
    szavanna Resident: crush on who?
    Eliza Madrigal: Michio
    szavanna Resident looks up
    Eliza Madrigal: in the video :)
    szavanna Resident: I have to see it then °͜°
    Xirana Oximoxi: I what is a 'crush?
    Arisia Vita: likes him a lot
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, like a school girl that thinks he is cute ^^
    szavanna Resident: hehe
    Zen Arado: infatuation?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    szavanna Resident: in love with him
    Arisia Vita: the first step to a hug...
    szavanna Resident: crazy about him hmm
    szavanna Resident: giggles
    Zen Arado: hmm this was on BBC 4 and I didn't see it
    Eliza Madrigal: well, not sure I'd say in love but mild desire to stalk around
    Xirana Oximoxi smiles
    szavanna Resident: i see °͜°
    Eliza Madrigal: heheheh
    szavanna Resident: lol
    Zen Arado: he's a bit overweight
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    szavanna Resident: ahh overweight
    Zen Arado: (he said jealously)
    Eliza Madrigal: ^^
    szavanna Resident: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ironically, about this video - I have neighbors who would watch this and think "wow neat" but scoff at SL
    szavanna Resident: I will watch it a bit later ...is it a series of videos?
    Eliza Madrigal: the idea of virtual reality/meeting places
    Eliza Madrigal: he is in SL
    Zen Arado: his avatar is slim
    szavanna Resident: he is?
    Zen Arado: surprise surprise
    Zen Arado: :)
    szavanna Resident: ;p
    Eliza Madrigal: I've gained roughly 15 pounds since I started SL
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: I have seen only this part Sun...but yes, it seems it's a serie
    szavanna Resident: hmm I could introduce some taibo
    szavanna Resident: looks very interesting Xiri
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Sun
    Eliza Madrigal: you are a taibo master?
    szavanna Resident nods
    szavanna Resident: hehe ok I am not
    szavanna Resident: but I can teach you african dances
    Eliza Madrigal: that'll work :)
    szavanna Resident: yes I think so
    szavanna Resident: yes computers are really not good for your health ;(
    Eliza Madrigal: that's one of my big questions - how SL might do so
    Eliza Madrigal: keeping in touch with body - breathing, etc
    Eliza Madrigal: so links to the aid to meditation question, which I think it can
    Eliza Madrigal: and has for me
    szavanna Resident: I think in general it is a big issue ...we use computers for everything now ...
    szavanna Resident: for work for play
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Johny Malheur: sl makes me very focussed
    szavanna Resident: so eventually we forget to see the sun
    szavanna Resident: it does Johny?
    Johny Malheur: yes
    szavanna Resident: how does it do that
    Johny Malheur: much more intense than rl often
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    szavanna Resident: hmm yes
    Johny Malheur: in sl one gets very close and and intense contacts with people , in rl one often is more distracted
    Zen Arado: What if we start to prefer our second life relationships more than our real life ones? He asks
    Eliza Madrigal nods....
    szavanna Resident: very good point
    Eliza Madrigal: in retreat we were a sort of 'support group' for one another - but one has to be so specific, saying to each other "go outside" :)
    szavanna Resident: I am on Mars at the moment ... no close connections with these Marsians
    Xirana Oximoxi: maybe here is easier to contact people sharing same interests...
    Eliza Madrigal: those little things become very important
    Eliza Madrigal: yes Xiri, I think so
    Johny Malheur: and here one has to condense his thoughts
    Zen Arado: good point Xiri
    Eliza Madrigal: people either don't like to make the effort or cannot, to connect. people who appreciate being in SL are often people who have already struggled a lot to make connections at the level they long for
    Eliza Madrigal: that was a weird sentence... but meant to point to a certain openness
    szavanna Resident: smiles at Liz
    Zen Arado: or people who can't get to places to meet people in RL through disability
    szavanna Resident: that is a big one ...
    Eliza Madrigal smiles back at Sun
    szavanna Resident: I can't easily get to places here
    Xirana Oximoxi: exactly Zen.... or living in small places..
    Eliza Madrigal: yes Zen, and disability can mean so many things
    Johny Malheur: understands Elizas point
    szavanna Resident: I wish there were zen centers next door
    szavanna Resident: sigh
    Zen Arado: SL opens up the world to us
    Xirana Oximoxi: and....I have always the dream to meet the people in rl:)... so.... if I win the lottery I will kmake a world tour:))
    szavanna Resident: hmm it seems SL play an important role ... or can play ... if used right
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Xiri
    szavanna Resident: me too Xiri °͜°
    szavanna Resident packs her bags
    Xirana Oximoxi: hehe :)
    szavanna Resident: :)
    Zen Arado: if I won the lottery it wouldn't make any difference
    Johny Malheur: thinks sl is big part of future
    Zen Arado: just more money in the bank
    Eliza Madrigal has been fortunate to meet so many from SL - often wonder what would be different if they lived next door - would I see them if they were a few blocks away? or would we still be chatting in SL? :)
    Eliza Madrigal: if meeting in RL, can't just conjure up a waterfall to play in
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    szavanna Resident: what do you mean Zenji ... u mean its not easy for you to "world tour"
    Zen Arado: well I was chatting to someone doesn't live to far away a moment ago :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles, see!
    Zen Arado: in SL
    szavanna Resident: hehe I know
    szavanna Resident: he IMd me
    Zen Arado: :)
    szavanna Resident: ;p
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes... I have known a rl artist that lives about 60 km. from me...and still have not met:)
    Eliza Madrigal: the SL retreat sparked my personal practice, but it is up to me to cultivate the opportunities to keep it open, and SL may be integral in that
    Eliza Madrigal: but it can't replace it
    Zen Arado: need more meditation, less talking and thinking I think Eliza
    szavanna Resident: yes daddy ;o)
    Eliza Madrigal: "I too turn quietly clear and transparent.."
    szavanna Resident: he is so right °͜°
    Zen Arado: guess that doesn't come naturally to us
    Zen Arado: not to me anyway
    Johny Malheur: but i like colors
    szavanna Resident: you are a busy bee Zenji
    Eliza Madrigal: well, I talk a lot in SL and not in RL... again it seems about balance
    Zen Arado: needed the RL all day group meditation
    szavanna Resident: I would never survive an all day meditation
    Johny Malheur: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: you might surprise yourself, Sun :)
    Zen Arado: so many do...how then?
    Eliza Madrigal: once it 'kicks in'
    szavanna Resident: u think?
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Zen Arado: you build up to it
    szavanna Resident: may be if I smoke some ganja
    Eliza Madrigal: :P
    szavanna Resident: ;D
    Johny Malheur: perhaps with beer
    Zen Arado: it becomes pleasant
    szavanna Resident: yes °͜°
    Eliza Madrigal: ::shakes head::::
    Zen Arado: of itself anazingly
    szavanna Resident: but really ...one never knows
    Zen Arado: no it is experiental
    Zen Arado: not pre-thought out
    Eliza Madrigal: there is, I think, a threshold and once you get past that sense of time changes? would you say that Zen?
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: for me anyway
    Zen Arado: but everyone is different
    szavanna Resident: sense of time changes ...
    Zen Arado: yeh
    Zen Arado: time is subjective
    szavanna Resident: when I play my violin ...my sense of time changes
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
    Zen Arado: if you are bored it goes on for ever
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I think that is the same - so just picking up the instrument becomes your threshold
    szavanna Resident: yes its amazing how that happens
    Xirana Oximoxi: I must go now, take care all and have a nice day! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Me too, take care Xiri
    szavanna Resident: thank you for coming Xiri
    Arisia Vita: alas, me too
    szavanna Resident: have a great week
    Eliza Madrigal: lovely playing as Being, Sunshine
    Arisia Vita: it's been great being with you all
    Zen Arado: heh quitting time
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye:)
    szavanna Resident: take care Ari °͜°
    Johny Malheur: bye all who leave
    szavanna Resident: get better Liz and IM me °͜°
    Eliza Madrigal: am a dizzy lizzy today
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: :)
    szavanna Resident: ;)) too much drinking
    Arisia Vita: be well and prosper till we meet again, which will be soon I hope
    szavanna Resident: shakes head
    Zen Arado: byee all
    Eliza Madrigal: OK shiny friend
    Johny Malheur: bye Ari
    Eliza Madrigal: be well everyone, namaste
    szavanna Resident: take care all ❤
    Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
    szavanna Resident: ♥ ♥ ♥

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