2012.11.12 19:00 - Suitable Methods

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. 


    There is a point where in the mystery of existence contradictions meet; where movement is not all movement and stillness is not all stillness; where the idea and the form, the within and the without, are united; where infinite becomes finite, yet not. ~ Rabindranath Tagore

    Eliza Madrigal: Aggers!
    Agatha Macbeth: Konnichi wa Riz ♥
    Eliza Madrigal: ::why a statuesque red head has appeared in the fountain::::!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Eliza Madrigal: :) howdy
    Agatha Macbeth: Must be where materialised
    Eliza Madrigal: And Vector! Hello, so nice to see you too
    Agatha Macbeth: How did the retreat go?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Vec
    Vector Marksman: hello - visiting and showing a friend SL
    Eliza Madrigal: the retreat was very pleasant - you were missed - we noted your absence and included you in our end time 'dedications' :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, lovely
    Eliza Madrigal waves to Vector's friend
    Agatha Macbeth: Awww
    Agatha Macbeth: Thank you
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello vector's friend
    Eliza Madrigal: I really enjoy SL retreats...
    Vector Marksman: hi I 've never seen second life
    Agatha Macbeth: Shame Wol had to miss parts of it
    Eliza Madrigal: OH :) Welcome
    Agatha Macbeth waves
    Eliza Madrigal: well, just a snip really (re Wol missing)
    Agatha Macbeth nods

    Eliza Madrigal: Wol guided us very well in you seeing - being seeing
    Eliza Madrigal: we are thinking that one day long retreats are a good idea, as has come up before
    Agatha Macbeth: She's good at that kinda thing
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, I would agree with that

    Agatha Macbeth: maybe it would encouragfe more participants?
    Agatha Macbeth: (without the f)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye vec
    Eliza Madrigal: you always save me editing because you remark on typos so then I can't fix them, hehe

    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder what his friend thought of it?
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess I will erase the following:
    Eliza Madrigal: Vector and Friend, is there something in particular you might like to see? maybe we can guide or give landmarks

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Catrina, welcome again
    Catrinamonblue Resident: hi
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Catrina
    Catrinamonblue Resident: what are talking about today?
    Eliza Madrigal: we are without topics for the session, so I wonder if there is something that comes to mind spontaneously?

    Agatha Macbeth ponders
    Catrinamonblue Resident: thinking

    Agatha Macbeth: Didn't the last GM decide on any topics then?
    Eliza Madrigal: well we had quite a session - was no time really to think about topics
    Agatha Macbeth: Or was it too occupied with other things?
    Eliza Madrigal: I have been thinking a lot about health lately
    Eliza Madrigal: yes exactly
    Agatha Macbeth: Health, right

    Agatha Macbeth: Without your health you have nothing
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed... when healthy, health seems a very dull topic
    Agatha Macbeth: Agreed
    Catrinamonblue Resident: health is more than just the body, the mind needs to healthy too
    Agatha Macbeth: I thought pretty much the same until two years ago


    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And on the mind thing, I agree totally
    Eliza Madrigal: during the pause I thought about, well, what is healthy? it isn't necessarily that one never deals with illness but that one bounces 'back' from it?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, you know all about that of course :(
    Eliza Madrigal: could that sort of definition apply to mind as well? re being thrown off and recovering

    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe minds are harder to heal than bodies
    Agatha Macbeth: It's often a lot harder to see what's wrong with them
    Eliza Madrigal: more gets generalized perhaps

    Catrinamonblue Resident: thought paterns can be changed
    Catrinamonblue Resident: they can help to lead the mind and body away from illness
    Eliza Madrigal: that's interesting Catrinamon - how do you work with that in your life?

    Catrinamonblue Resident: Having dealt with depression with no medication I learned that every bad thought I would interject but and put something positive
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Life is shitty but the sun is shinning
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: fun method
    Eliza Madrigal: so not trying to eradicate the negative
    Agatha Macbeth: That takes a lot of effort, but it can work

    Catrinamonblue Resident: training the mind to find the positive
    Catrinamonblue Resident: my therapist once told me I'm the keeper of the happiness and I love that image
    Eliza Madrigal: ooh, I do like that phrasing... training to find the positive, not paint over the negative
    Agatha Macbeth: I hope you keep it well then :)

    Eliza Madrigal: :) what does that mean? that happiness is with you if you look?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: happiness is with you
    Catrinamonblue Resident: within yourself
    Eliza Madrigal: It certainly seems the case that many who are very attuned to happiness are people who have struggled for a bit of it... to recognize it in their lives

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Druth :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: hi Druth :)
    druth Vlodovic: hey guys
    Agatha Macbeth: True that
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Druthy

    Agatha Macbeth: Perhaps happiness is what you make it
    Eliza Madrigal nods... buddhist talk about letting particular minds come forward...
    Eliza Madrigal: it is a strange idea but inspires me
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: so perhaps a mind of happiness :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Careful Liz, or you'll find your head on top of a statue :p
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I like that
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Eliza Madrigal: I wouldn't be the first :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm, of course
    Eliza Madrigal: ::rolls eyes::::
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Anyway...
    Eliza Madrigal: but honestly... there is something in this, that in meditation if one stays, a kind of reactive mind might fall away and a clearer seeing one emerge
    Eliza Madrigal: I was in the er today... all day, with an inner-ear infection. I was so patient... until, I wasn't, then I found myself pacing like a caged tiger
    Agatha Macbeth: There seem to quite a few healing groups in SL
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Catrinamonblue Resident: being in the er is no fun at all
    Agatha Macbeth: *hugs*
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh yes there are... amazing people and groups
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks, is okay... glad to have it seen about, but it was sort of funny to hear myself saying to myself "why don't you count breaths?"
    Eliza Madrigal: "what about___"


    Eliza Madrigal: as if going through calming toolbox and refusing each one

    Eliza Madrigal: quiet tonight Druth, all well?
    druth Vlodovic: pretty good
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Good to hear :)

    druth Vlodovic: did you find something that worked?
    Eliza Madrigal: they gave me a few things... we'll see
    Eliza Madrigal: I have been dealing with this off n on for months actually but I have been attributing it to other things
    Agatha Macbeth: Were your hearing or balance affected?
    Eliza Madrigal: balance
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Eliza Madrigal: I slept a lot in between retreating this weekend....
    Eliza Madrigal: one nap after the other
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes that can be pretty unnerving
    Eliza Madrigal: and have been dizzy with the computer for a while - but today at sun's session it went very screwy
    Agatha Macbeth: Same as when I stand up too quick and nearly keel over
    Eliza Madrigal: if I were standing I would have fallen, like a mini-blackout
    Eliza Madrigal: awful
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Eliza Madrigal: so it is something about... the signals between one ear and the other
    Eliza Madrigal: and a kind of delay
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry, very dull talk, hah :)
    Agatha Macbeth: No, not at all
    Catrinamonblue Resident: not at all I just don't really have anything to contribute except sympathy
    Agatha Macbeth: I think your health is a far from dull subject

    Eliza Madrigal: it shows us how fragile everything is
    Eliza Madrigal: when we falter
    Agatha Macbeth thinks of a song by Sting
    Agatha Macbeth: 'how fragile we are'
    Catrinamonblue Resident: good song
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm, gorgeous song... and very true... he even sings that with fragility
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed

    Eliza Madrigal: Aggers, it is so unusual for you to be here at a 7pm :) nice change though
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: It feels quite odd to be honest
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll be off to bed at the top of the hour
    Eliza Madrigal: so late
    Agatha Macbeth: Well I only finished work two hours ago
    Eliza Madrigal: new schedule will take adjusting to I guess... like it?
    Agatha Macbeth: It's...different
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: But active, which I need

    Agatha Macbeth: I'm not someone who can sit still for long
    Eliza Madrigal: ahhh
    Eliza Madrigal: good then
    druth Vlodovic: you have a new job?
    Eliza Madrigal: something that jives with your natural rhythms
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep, just started
    Agatha Macbeth: Not sure about the jive bit :D
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    druth Vlodovic: what are you doing?
    Agatha Macbeth: Makes me think of John Travolta or something
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Working at Amazon UK
    druth Vlodovic: nice
    Catrinamonblue Resident: neat
    Eliza Madrigal: ooh nice
    Agatha Macbeth: Distribution

    Agatha Macbeth: Whizzing about like a dervish
    Eliza Madrigal: nice image
    Catrinamonblue Resident: a busy job is a fun job
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: hideous kinky
    Agatha Macbeth: Well the time certainly goes quicker
    Eliza Madrigal: I always liked work like that.... can get into a mode
    Agatha Macbeth: Liz, do you mean me? LOL
    Eliza Madrigal: :) well it is a film where Kate Winslet goes to be a sufi
    Agatha Macbeth: Ahh
    Agatha Macbeth: Think I've heard of it, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: so you were whirling and I conjured images....

    Agatha Macbeth: Isn't she supposed to have big feet or something?
    Eliza Madrigal: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: definitely the take away :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm

    Eliza Madrigal: pause approaching :)
    Agatha Macbeth stops whirling
    Eliza Madrigal: ::let the wild rumpus start:::


    Eliza Madrigal: Catrinamon, may I ask how long it took before you felt it helped to change mental patterns in the way you described?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I took a long time I was in therapy that time for about 2 years
    Catrinamonblue Resident: and even now it isstill something I work at every day
    Eliza Madrigal: so for a while it was really like faith... trying something consistently
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: It does get easier to do
    Agatha Macbeth: That word again
    Catrinamonblue Resident: but requires discipline
    Eliza Madrigal nods... good when we can match particular needs to methods that help for at least a while or lead into something else

    Eliza Madrigal: one thing I found is that even when something doesn't work, it draws attention and may help one find something that does
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I can see that
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: a therapist used to walk me through a pretend scenario of piled mattresses - it was supposed to make me feel "supported" hehe... but I couldn't connect with it, kept trying
    Agatha Macbeth: Strange how some things just won't work
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Catrinamonblue Resident: right now I'm dealing with high anxiety and the same process doesn't work, so now I am learning a new process of getting the mind to calm the body
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh wow
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting... like body scan meditations, or?
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I have only just started so I don't know much yet
    Catrinamonblue Resident: my new therapist has said she will show me how
    Eliza Madrigal: wonderful wish you well with that
    Agatha Macbeth: Absolutely
    Catrinamonblue Resident: thanks :)

    Eliza Madrigal: somehow I have Hamlet running through my mind... matching action to word, word to action...
    Agatha Macbeth: Just wait til the ghost turns up :p
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ophelia's the one I always feel sorry for
    Agatha Macbeth: If only she'd learned to swim
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... not even enough time of life to tame the intensity ...
    druth Vlodovic: the moral of the story is...
    Agatha Macbeth: Intensity indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: what say you Druth? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: In-tense
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
    Agatha Macbeth ruffles Eliza's hair soothingly
    Eliza Madrigal: prrr
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: ^.^
    druth Vlodovic: ah, getting late, I'm off to bed

    Eliza Madrigal: this was an interesting session... thematic in a way, and practical - thank you
    druth Vlodovic: have fun guys
    Agatha Macbeth: Moi aussi
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, dizzy is to bed also
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care folks, sleep well
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm off too
    Catrinamonblue Resident: good night all
    Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you all, and Catrinamon thanks for joining us again
    Eliza Madrigal: Nite, pleasant sleep
    Catrinamonblue Resident: thank you for having me
    Eliza Madrigal smiles



    Re Hamlet:

    Speak the speech, I pray you, as I pronounced it to you, trippingly on the tongue. But if you mouth it, as many of your players do, I had as lief the town crier spoke my lines. Nor do not saw the air too much with your hand thus, but use all gently, for in the very torrent, tempest, and (as I may say) whirlwind of passion, you must acquire and beget a temperance that may give it smoothness. Oh, it offends me to the soul to hear a robustious periwig-pated fellow tear a passion to tatters, to very rags, to split the ears of the groundlings, who for the most part are capable of nothing but inexplicable dumb-shows and noise. I would have such a fellow whipped for o'erdoing Termagant. It out-Herods Herod. Pray you, avoid it.

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