2012.11.14 07:00 - Communes and the Buddha

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado.

    Zen Arado: Hi Sunji :)
    szavanna Resident: hi Zenji °͜°
    szavanna Resident: was on the wiki
    szavanna Resident: posting my log :)
    szavanna Resident: hi Fritzy :)
    Zen Arado: good idea
    szavanna Resident: welcome
    Zen Arado: Hi Fritz
    szavanna Resident: restart
    Zen Arado: having mobilty problems
    szavanna Resident: in 5 mins
    szavanna Resident: grrr
    Zen Arado: oh as usual
    Zen Arado: better go to Kira cafe
    szavanna Resident: it always happens with you?
    szavanna Resident: ok
    Zen Arado: most weeks
    szavanna Resident: can u to us
    szavanna Resident: Fritzy the region restarts
    szavanna Resident: will tp u

    We moved to Kira because of Region Restart:


    Sunshine (szavanna): oh this is nice
    Zen (zen.arado): you've never been here?
    Sunshine (szavanna): i have :)
    Sunshine (szavanna): nice change
    Zen (zen.arado): sent Fritz a TP
    Sunshine (szavanna): me too
    Sunshine (szavanna): how are you doing
    Zen (zen.arado): ok I guess
    Sunshine (szavanna): busy learning things?
    Zen (zen.arado): doing a writing course and it takes up a lot of my time
    Sunshine (szavanna): what is it about
    Sunshine (szavanna): creative writing?
    Zen (zen.arado): creative writing
    Zen (zen.arado): yes
    Sunshine (szavanna): oh interesting
    Zen (zen.arado): how to write
    Second Life: Yvonne Bourgoin is offline.
    Sunshine (szavanna): I am not good at that
    Zen (zen.arado): we have to write a story for next assignment
    Sunshine (szavanna): ah that does take time
    Zen (zen.arado): me neither
    Sunshine (szavanna): to write a good one
    Zen (zen.arado): I can;t think up stories
    Zen (zen.arado): only little ones
    Zen (zen.arado): have to write from my memories
    Sunshine (szavanna): yes shorter ones may be easier
    Zen (zen.arado): but can change things
    Sunshine (szavanna): I wonder how people can think up long stories
    Zen (zen.arado): yeh me too
    Sunshine (szavanna): kk °͜°
    Zen (zen.arado): perhaps you start with small ones and work up to it
    Sunshine (szavanna): the soaps just carry on ;p
    Sunshine (szavanna): hi Fritzy °͜°
    Zen (zen.arado): I write 100 word stories for an English class
    Zen (zen.arado): wb Fritz
    Zen (zen.arado): Twisred Stories
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Thanks, Zen :)
    Zen (zen.arado): twisted
    Sunshine (szavanna): stories about?
    Zen (zen.arado): anything
    Zen (zen.arado): last one was about intuition
    Sunshine (szavanna): hmm I suppose I could write if I really sat down to do it
    Sunshine (szavanna): hmm nice topic
    Zen (zen.arado): these stories have to be mysterious
    Sunshine (szavanna): hmm ok °͜°
    Sunshine (szavanna): so you can't write about ...going to the shop to buy bread
    Sunshine (szavanna): unless there is a mystery element ;p
    Zen (zen.arado): I am learning this at the moment...how to show things in a story and not just tell everything
    Zen (zen.arado): ha last assignment I wrote about that
    Sunshine (szavanna): lol
    Sunshine (szavanna): ;p
    Zen (zen.arado): when I was a kid in Belfast
    Zen (zen.arado): getting the shopping
    Zen (zen.arado): no suprmarkets
    Sunshine (szavanna): and something mysterious happened?
    Sunshine (szavanna): we used to have a corner store
    Sunshine (szavanna): u could buy everything in a small shop like that
    Zen (zen.arado): ah no this was just for my university assignment
    Zen (zen.arado): not the Twisted stories club in SL
    Sunshine (szavanna): ah ok
    Zen (zen.arado): no I had to go to different shops
    Sunshine (szavanna): ah ok
    Zen (zen.arado): it was tough
    Zen (zen.arado): ;)
    Sunshine (szavanna): go from one place to the next
    Zen (zen.arado): yep
    Sunshine (szavanna): to gather everything
    Sunshine (szavanna): veggies, meat, milk etc
    Zen (zen.arado): and heavy bag of potatoes
    Sunshine (szavanna): hmm poor Zenji
    Zen (zen.arado): :)
    Sunshine (szavanna): :)
    Sunshine (szavanna): it was so different
    Zen (zen.arado): maybe I will post the story on my blog when I fix it up a bit
    Sunshine (szavanna): ok tell me when ready
    Zen (zen.arado): I got a good mark for it but the tenses aren't right
    Sunshine (szavanna): you are supposed to know your tenses
    Sunshine (szavanna): hmm °͜°
    Zen (zen.arado): yes but it's difficult when you describe something you do every week and something you do one time only
    Sunshine (szavanna): hmm ok
    Zen (zen.arado): have to be careful to make the distinction

    Sunshine's building:
    Zen (zen.arado): what are you doing these days?
    Sunshine (szavanna): oh me?
    Sunshine (szavanna): hmm I am busy with my gallery ;p
    Sunshine (szavanna): shhh
    Zen (zen.arado): an art gallery?
    Sunshine (szavanna): you guys inspire me to play with colors and things
    Sunshine (szavanna): yes :)
    Sunshine (szavanna): I play with SL landscapes
    Zen (zen.arado): I need to build a new one
    Sunshine (szavanna): and then the fractals
    Zen (zen.arado): I haven't time
    Sunshine (szavanna): hmm time
    Sunshine (szavanna): °͜°
    Sunshine (szavanna): you are a busy bee
    Sunshine (szavanna): I am also busy with the art space at the commune


    Zen (zen.arado): I left the commune
    Sunshine (szavanna): and now a bit with La Sakura
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Should we try to go back to PaB?
    Sunshine (szavanna): ah you have
    Sunshine (szavanna): not sure if it is back up yet
    Zen (zen.arado): still down
    Sunshine (szavanna): yes
    Fritz (festerbestertester): OK
    Sunshine (szavanna): I am going to prepare a little presentation for Kiremimi
    Zen (zen.arado): I didn't feel comfortable there
    Zen (zen.arado): yes I know
    Sunshine (szavanna): what felt strange?
    Zen (zen.arado): don't know

    Sunshine (szavanna): may be not enough brain stimulation for you °͜°
    Zen (zen.arado): never wanted to go to activities there
    Sunshine (szavanna): kk
    Zen (zen.arado): hmm maybe
    Sunshine (szavanna): I know you ;p
    Sunshine (szavanna): giggles
    Zen (zen.arado): lots of groups I am in I never go to
    Zen (zen.arado): should leave them
    Sunshine (szavanna): hmm yes
    Sunshine (szavanna): better clean up from time to time
    Zen (zen.arado): notices get irritating
    Sunshine (szavanna): yes
    Sunshine (szavanna): hmm its time for RL for me
    Sunshine (szavanna): take care both
    Sunshine (szavanna): see u soon :)
    Zen (zen.arado): ok ty for coming
    Zen (zen.arado): :)
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Bye Anna.
    Sunshine (szavanna): ;))
    Fritz (festerbestertester): See you later.
    Zen (zen.arado): you like the commune Fritz?
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Yes, I live there :)
    Fritz (festerbestertester): When in SL anyway :)
    Zen (zen.arado): it's good to have a group you like
    Zen (zen.arado): you find people you get on with
    Zen (zen.arado): common interests
    Zen (zen.arado): sometimes hard to find that in RL
    Fritz (festerbestertester): It would be my lifestyle choice in RL if such a place existed.
    Second Life: Rayah Slade is offline.
    Fritz (festerbestertester): I like mostly to stay in one place.
    Fritz (festerbestertester): And let people come by me.
    Zen (zen.arado): I would join the local zen center in RL but I can't get access to it
    Zen (zen.arado): it is up a flight of stairs and no lift
    Second Life: Rayah Slade is online.
    Zen (zen.arado): and I am in a wheelchaur
    Fritz (festerbestertester): And I did live in several "communes"in the 1970's.
    Zen (zen.arado): oh did you?
    Zen (zen.arado): where was that?
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Hm would be zen to carry you up the stairs.
    Zen (zen.arado): taht can be dangerous Fritz
    Fritz (festerbestertester): The bigges and longest was Kneadmore Community Life Church in Brown county Indiana.
    Zen (zen.arado): ah interesting
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Lafe is dangerous.
    Zen (zen.arado): a kind of religious sect?
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Life*
    Fritz (festerbestertester): No, but new agey.
    Zen (zen.arado): that's ok in an emergency but not every week Fritz
    Fritz (festerbestertester): No, but new agey.
    Zen (zen.arado): is it still going?
    Fritz (festerbestertester): I haven't crossed paths with any Zen collections.
    Fritz (festerbestertester): The land is till there.
    Fritz (festerbestertester): And a handful of people control it.
    Zen (zen.arado): most of these communes seem to split up after a while
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Not so good.
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Yep, a hard lifestyle to live.
    Fritz (festerbestertester): But living with anyone is that way.
    Zen (zen.arado): maybe not so easy to live in big groups as we think
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Not easy at all.
    Zen (zen.arado): takes a lot of organisation
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Each of us must find our own way ;)
    Zen (zen.arado): and different ideas would clash
    Zen (zen.arado): but that's true anywhere
    Zen (zen.arado): I like Zen retreats
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Power struggles are the worst.
    Zen (zen.arado): but even that is too difficult for me now
    Zen (zen.arado): yeh
    Zen (zen.arado): always somebody wants to be boss
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Is there no, I'm more Zen than you?
    Zen (zen.arado): human nature I guess
    Zen (zen.arado): oh the Zen centre has its problems too
    Zen (zen.arado): they have had splitups

    Zen and Buddhism:

    Fritz (festerbestertester): I hear it said the only Zen you will find at the mountain top, is the Zen you bring with you.
    Zen (zen.arado): they get a teacher from San Francisco Zen Center to come over to lead retreats twice a year
    Zen (zen.arado): yeh Zen has funny sayings
    Zen (zen.arado): I'm more into non duality perspective now
    Fritz (festerbestertester): At least at the mountain top, it's quiet.
    Zen (zen.arado): which is in Zen but without the rituals
    Zen (zen.arado): yes..it was the silence I got to like in retreats
    Fritz (festerbestertester): A good place to listen.
    Zen (zen.arado): to see your thoughts without too many distractions
    Zen (zen.arado): so unusual in this day and age
    Zen (zen.arado): people are afraid of silence
    Fritz (festerbestertester): yes.
    Zen (zen.arado): one thing about Zen...it is tried and tested over a lot of centuries
    Zen (zen.arado): there were a lot more Zen traditions but they died out
    Zen (zen.arado): only two now
    Zen (zen.arado): Soto and Rinzai
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Hm, I'm not up on current history.
    Zen (zen.arado): when you do a ceremony called Jukai in Zen they give you a scroll that gives you your lineage right back to Buddha
    Zen (zen.arado): all the teachers before
    Zen (zen.arado): they stress how much we owe all those teachers
    Zen (zen.arado): otherwise we wouldn't have the teachings
    Zen (zen.arado): most new age teachings are some kind of blend of Eastern teachings
    Zen (zen.arado): I think
    Zen (zen.arado): from Taoism, Buddhism, Advaita
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Perhaps you're heard me say, "Even Siddhartha couldn't keep his damn mouth shut."?
    Zen (zen.arado): no:)
    Fritz (festerbestertester): I made that up :)
    Fritz (festerbestertester): But it's what I think of all religions.
    Zen (zen.arado): I think the Buddha debated whether or not to bother with teaching people after he was enlightened though
    Zen (zen.arado): he knew not many would understand
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Yes, rumor has it he waited 49 days.
    Zen (zen.arado): and he instructed his pupils not to believe teachers and authorities, not even himself, and to test everything in their own experience
    Zen (zen.arado): I liked that stress on direct experience rather than following scriptures, in Zen
    Zen (zen.arado): but many like to have written down guidelines
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Perhaps desire finally had it's way with him.
    Zen (zen.arado): it was a long time ago
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Seduced him into believing he could help with word.
    Fritz (festerbestertester): words*
    Zen (zen.arado): or his students pestered him
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Yes, a long time ago.
    Fritz (festerbestertester): And all we really have is now.
    Zen (zen.arado): was nothing written for a long time after he died I believe
    Zen (zen.arado): yes
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Just rumors
    Zen (zen.arado): and interpretations
    Zen (zen.arado): I better go
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Now it is my time to find my way to the commune :)
    Zen (zen.arado): ty for coming Fritz :)
    Fritz (festerbestertester): Good to exchange words with yoiu, Zen.
    Zen (zen.arado): have a good commune day ;)
    Fritz (festerbestertester): you*
    Zen (zen.arado): yep you too Fritz
    Zen (zen.arado): byee

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