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PlayAsBeing Wiki > Chat Logs > 2012 > 11 > 2012.11.18 08:00 - Guardians Session: Dropping on Saturday and Filling Up on Sunday

Attending today's guardians session were Bleu, Aphrodite, Bruce, Wol, Druth, and Eliza

- Filling Up (the flip side of dropping?)

- Hindsight

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Aoy, Wol!

Wol Euler: venetian pirate!

Wol Euler: hello bruce

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Ahoy, Eliza!

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Ahoy

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Ahoy, Bleu!

Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi all :)

Wol Euler: brb

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hope you all are well - I seem to be shifting gears slowly so hope I won't bring confessional tone to guardian meeting

Bruce (bruce.mowbray) thinks Bleu is making a strong fashion statement.

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) yes

Bleu (bleu.oleander): haha!

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Well, then, shame on you for not being confeswsional, Eliza!

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): or even confessional . . .

Bleu (bleu.oleander): btw did you see the Venice flooding pics?

Bleu (bleu.oleander): http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2...-water/100403/

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yes!

Bleu (bleu.oleander): *amazing*

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): They are incredible... and sad.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Aph will be upset.

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :(

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): maybe we'll be a small group today

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Has the flooding gone down yet, does anyone know?

Wol Euler: hello all

Bleu (bleu.oleander): don't know Bruce

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Ahoy, Wol!

Bleu (bleu.oleander): wb Wol

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): there isn't too much to talk about really - topics, beginning to brainstorm for the PaB birthday party, and the note card changes for the group

Wol Euler:* good god, a metre and a half of water. I doubt if there is a single square metre of pavement that is that far above sea level*

Wol Euler:* except the train station*

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): The tourists appear strangely happy about it.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes, not sure if i would have been swimming in it :)

Wol Euler: it's an adventure! and they probably get x% of their money back

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yes, I agree.

Bruce (bruce.mowbray) checks to see if other guardians are in-world. . . .

Wol Euler: aggers won't be coming, she has to work today

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): No other but we four, it appears.

Wol Euler: give it until 8:10?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) well maybe a short meeting - which would be OK

Wol Euler: then we can race ahead :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hah

Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok with me :)

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): sure!

Wol Euler: while we are waiting, thank you for putting up the in-world retreat page, Eliza

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Oh, weren't San's pictures lovely?

Wol Euler nods.

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I might not have remembered to do that if not for her messaging to ask where to place them

Wol Euler: a great effort all around

Bleu (bleu.oleander): **were you all happy with the retreat?**

Wol Euler: oh yes

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it was wonderful, yes

Bleu (bleu.oleander): nice!

Wol Euler: itÄ's different to RL, but just as worth-while

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yes, I appreciated your sharing the even t with those of us who couldn't come.

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it felt 'easy'... peaceful... natural... ordinary and nice

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: very direct, very connected

Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods

Bleu (bleu.oleander): lovely :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): would be nice to do more of these... one day long ones for instance

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: good idea

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): regular retreat tastes

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): in some sense, pab itself is supposed to be like that? hah...and it is... but maybe there are ways to drop deeper and deeper

Bleu (bleu.oleander): **after dropping deeper and deeper are there ways to "fill up" again in a more meaningful way?**

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): without flooding....

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: filling is easy, avoiding the flood is the hard bit

Wol Euler: the filling comes naturally, unfortunately (in my experience)

Bleu (bleu.oleander): filling is hard if consider in a meaningful way

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): the heedless filling that so easily squeezes other things out....?

Bleu (bleu.oleander): perhaps a subject for PaB?

Bruce (bruce.mowbray) *ponders "Let yourself be filled. . . " similar to let yourself be seen.*

Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles

Wol Euler: yes, RL comes flooding back in, with its apointments and dirty dishes etc; it would be desirable to hold on to the feeling of calm and peace for a while, at least overnight

Bleu (bleu.oleander):** so how does one add in again in a thoughtful way, keeping the calm and peace for longer?**

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): the dishes are always there, but they are different dishes stacked in different ways, with a different mind being with them

Wol Euler smiles.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes, notion of different mind ... an interesting one

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hot soapy mind

Bleu (bleu.oleander): ha!

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ;-)

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)

Wol Euler grins.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): **do retreats change minds?**

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hmmm

Wol Euler:** reshape them subtly, perhaps**

Bruce (bruce.mowbray) ponders, "Clean mind - Clean body -- Take your pick."

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): remind of more connected mind available maybe

Bleu (bleu.oleander): **when minds connect back to rl are the connects changed somewhat?**

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I recall a few retreats that changed my mind a whole lot.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): or only temporarily?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): good questions

Bleu (bleu.oleander): are lasting changes possible?

Wol Euler: always :)

Wol Euler: for any impetus :)

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Perhaps the only thing that DOES last is change itself.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): for me sometimes it is like shifting gears - a retreat can tap into many previous retreats... and in a sense it is always there - always available

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler:* it reminds you of that piece of better self, Better Mind, that is in there somewhere with all the junk and dirty dishes*

Wol Euler:* so you can take it out and use it once in a while*

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)

Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles

Bleu (bleu.oleander): easy to use in a retreat ... harder to use in rl

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Here comes Aph.

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): so how to make this question a topic....

Bleu (bleu.oleander): transition from retreat to rl?

Bleu (bleu.oleander): hey Aph :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Hi Aph!

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Ahoy, Aph!

Aphrodite Macbain: ahoy Bruce

Aphrodite Macbain: sorry to be late

Wol Euler: hello aph

Wol Euler: you missed the singing mice! they were great.

Aphrodite Macbain: not too many of us...

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): no, not too many

Aphrodite Macbain: singing mice?

Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)

Aphrodite Macbain: singing the Christmas song?

Wol Euler: yes, them

Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu - you are black and Woly has new pants

Bleu (bleu.oleander): change is fun

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): "If the meditator is able to use whatever occurs in his life as the Path, his body becomes a retreat hut."

-Jigme Lingpa

Wol Euler smiles.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): is there a "the Path"?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): well this line suggests for each it would be his own I think....

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): picking up this and that

Wol Euler: for certain values of "the" and "Path", perhaps

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)

Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Is there any "Path" that is not perfect, then?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): a no-mistakes path

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)

Bleu (bleu.oleander): so all of one's life is one's path?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, but that doesn't mean we hold it that way...

Bleu (bleu.oleander):** seems true of hindsight**

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): *If Dharma Gates are infinite. . . then every experience along the "path" is potentially a Dharma Gate.*

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): mmm "hindsight" is a good topic :)

Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes

Aphrodite Macbain: a path that avoids the big bad wolf and gets you straight to grandmother's house?

Bruce (bruce.mowbray):** I like "hindsight" as a topic.**

Bleu (bleu.oleander): linear?

Wol Euler: like walking along a beach after sunset, seeing the hundreds or thousands of footprinted paths walking along the shore

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): (Especially at this time of year....)

Wol Euler: none overlapping, but all going more or less the same way

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)

Aphrodite Macbain: I suspect that they would be going in many different directions

Bruce (bruce.mowbray)* ponders possible benefits of encountering wolves.... rather than grandmothers.*

Bleu (bleu.oleander): hindsight related to our earlier conversation about review and starting over

Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods

Wol Euler nods.

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wolfy grandmothers

Bleu (bleu.oleander): hint: related to the next ARt of Being project for December :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): who may seem ferocious but have best interest at heart

Wol Euler: oooh

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): What big teeth you have, grandmother!

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): lol

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Bruce, I am reading the book you are reading btw....

Bleu (bleu.oleander): hiya Druth

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Ahoy, druth!

Aphrodite Macbain: Hey druth

druth Vlodovic: hey

Wol Euler: hello druth

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): in that book he doesn't so much regret anything yet in a way makes a quick shift to a new path

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Night Train to Lisbon ?????

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I just finished it this morning!

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Oh, well shhh... I'm on chapter 11 or so...

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): and will begin reading it again tonight. . . after Quaker Meeting.

Aphrodite Macbain: haven't heard of it. who wrote it?

Wol Euler: no spoilers

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): A WONDERFUL book!

Aphrodite Macbain: again? why?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): what I've said doesn't give too much away but if one imagines all the different trains in the world, going so many different places... it reminded me of Wol's footprints analogy

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Written by a French philosopher, in German, about a Swiss teacher, visiting Portugal.

Aphrodite Macbain: about fining our own paths?

Aphrodite Macbain: translated into English

Aphrodite Macbain: Author?

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yes, all of that -- plus translated into English so Eliza and I could read it.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): googling

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Pascal Mercier

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I move that we table the note card discussion for the next guardian session btw :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): a Grove Press book.

Wol Euler: seconded

Bleu (bleu.oleander): 2nd

Aphrodite Macbain: thirded

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks :)

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): kk.

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): **so topics and if anyone has any seeds to begin working with for the party - 5th !**

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): march 31

Wol Euler: right

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Train_to_Lisbon

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ty Bruce

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yw.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): **march 31 because it's a sunday, spilling over to april 1st :)**

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): March 31st sounds ideal, then.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): somehow parties are better on sundays than mondays :)

Wol Euler: **how about a one day retreat on the saturday before?**

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) this is true

Bleu (bleu.oleander): nice Wol :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): oooh, that's a nice idea Wol

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Excellent idea, Wol.

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): how fitting

Wol Euler smiles.

Aphrodite Macbain: nice idea Wol

Bleu (bleu.oleander): **dropping on sat and filling up on sun :)**

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): **Maybe some of the retreat will spill over into the party which then spills over into the actual anniversary....**

Wol Euler: exactly!

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): could have basically the same format as this last retreat did on a saturday - 2 - 2 hr meetings

Wol Euler nods.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): so maybe a theme of visions for the next 5 years?

druth Vlodovic: it would be nice if some of the party were on the 1st, if only to fit my work schedule :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): aw :)

Bleu (bleu.oleander): a reflection on the past 5 and then visions for the next 5?

Aphrodite Macbain: we should definitley party on the first anyway

Wol Euler nods.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes, 2 days of party

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I like that idea Bleu - but then I love visioning in general

Aphrodite Macbain: I'd be happy to help with the festivities

Bleu (bleu.oleander): yay Aph!

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): would love to glean intuitions from others about pab in the next 5 years

Aphrodite Macbain: :-)

druth Vlodovic: let me know if there is anything you'd like done

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Ty Aph

Aphrodite Macbain: I will druth

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thanks, nice :D

Aphrodite Macbain: I would work with a team anyway

Aphrodite Macbain: New ideas are what we need

Bleu (bleu.oleander): could put out a request for planning team volunteers?

Aphrodite Macbain: yes, good idea

Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods

Aphrodite Macbain: I would need to send out some job descriptions...

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I'm going to have to go early today.... do we have two topics? "hindsight" and "?"

Aphrodite Macbain: ah hindsight- nice

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): "Re-filling"?

Bleu (bleu.oleander): "filling up"?

Bleu (bleu.oleander): snap

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yeah.

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ah, great... hah....

Wol Euler: yep

Aphrodite Macbain: and refilling

Aphrodite Macbain: lol

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): how to phrase those so they translate to everyone....

Aphrodite Macbain: whispers: what do we run out of ?

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): (impossible task - topic of a lifetime)

Wol Euler grins.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): dropping and then adding?

Aphrodite Macbain: what do we learn from hindsight?

druth Vlodovic**: I thought we just tossed words out and let people play with them**

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) :) :)

Bleu (bleu.oleander): play is good!

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Yeah, let the answers emerge. . .

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, we do that but for those who are disoriented by that we try to give more words

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hehhe

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): *along with more questions....*

druth Vlodovic: lol

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, more questions!

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)

Aphrodite Macbain: questions get one thinking

Aphrodite Macbain: ignorance is the way

Aphrodite Macbain: according to the book I'm reading

Aphrodite Macbain: asking the right questions...

Bleu (bleu.oleander): Ignorance?

Wol Euler: "ignorance" is a loaded word .....

Wol Euler: say "enlightened un-knowing" instead :)

Bleu (bleu.oleander): great new book that Pema recommended

Wol Euler listens.

Bruce (bruce.mowbray) listens

Aphrodite Macbain: enlightened un-knowing

Bleu (bleu.oleander): http://www.amazon.com/Ignorance-Driv...drives+science

Wol Euler: aha

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): little book.. easy to read, sparky

Aphrodite Macbain: that's the book I'm reading

Wol Euler looks.

Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): seems so many books are coming at the same things

Bleu (bleu.oleander): I read it ... very interesting

Aphrodite Macbain: an easy read- it even mentions pema

Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)

Aphrodite Macbain: :-)

Aphrodite Macbain: Piet Hut

Bleu (bleu.oleander): liked his phrase **"revision in progress"**

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Another current book also mentions Piet: "The New Humanists"

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): interesting

Wol Euler: a brush with fame :)

Bleu (bleu.oleander): john Brockman's book?

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Humani.../dp/0760745293

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hah...

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) I have to go... lovely to see you all

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yes, Brockman.

Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care

Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes, good book too

Aphrodite Macbain: byee eliza

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I also need to go.

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wish you a wonderful day

Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Thanks, everyone!

Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bfn

Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye Eliza and all

Wol Euler: bye bruce, bye bleu

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