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Eliza Madrigal: Hello Catrina :)

Catrinamonblue Resident: hello

Eliza Madrigal: All well today?

Catrinamonblue Resident: today has been a day of shedding saddness

Eliza Madrigal: as in letting it go?

Catrinamonblue Resident: trying to at any rate, it's tiring though

Eliza Madrigal: sorry to hear that it feels like work rather than lightening

Catrinamonblue Resident: it's in the middle still, there is light at the end I think, I hope

Eliza Madrigal: how are you working with it, if not too personal to share...

Catrinamonblue Resident:* just letting it happen as it happens, not holding it in, there is much pain right now and it needs to be allowed acknowledgment, release*

Catrinamonblue Resident: saying yes it hurts but this too shall pass

Eliza Madrigal nods... time healing...

Catrinamonblue Resident: time yes but some days time feels like an enemy there has not been enough time yet between the cause of the pain and here and now

Eliza Madrigal: ah, I see.... a situation you are very much 'in' then?

Catrinamonblue Resident: yes

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)

Wol Euler: hello eliza, catrina, sorry I'm late

Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Wol

Eliza Madrigal: cute sweater

Wol Euler: hello kore

Korel Laloix: Heya

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Kori :)

Wol Euler: +l

Eliza Madrigal: this may seem unrelated but this morning, as I was waking, I saw myself begin to plan the day out in a certain way, with expected tasks in blocks, then realized I didn't have to do that... grieving or shedding sadness may have some similarities...

Eliza Madrigal: that there can seem a way it is supposed to go

Eliza Madrigal: but that isn't necessarily true

Catrinamonblue Resident: listening

Wol Euler listens, wondering what she missed.

Korel Laloix: **I do think greiving is a process.**

Wol Euler nods.

Korel Laloix: **Possibly instincual at some levels.**

Eliza Madrigal: yes, interesting

Korel Laloix: And trying to fight it can be counterproductive in some schools of thought.

Catrinamonblue Resident: yes

Eliza Madrigal: I'm not one who believes in resolve

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: What you mean my reslove?

Eliza Madrigal: hm... well, not that I don't think things that are painful can be let go of but that, as you say, trying to seek that is more painful

Korel Laloix: OK, I think I understand you.

Korel Laloix: I think we do have a number of emotional processes though.

Korel Laloix: Not just for greiving.

Korel Laloix: For love, sex, mourning, organizing, etc.

Eliza Madrigal: biological responses, nods... can see that...

Korel Laloix: And you don't have to do it the "normal"ish way, but it can make the process more simple.

Catrinamonblue Resident: **pain is not simple**

Korel Laloix: But a lot of biological processes are emotional.

Eliza Madrigal: one thing I see with conversations with friends at times, is that there is an expectation of process being similar to one another, but though there are instincts there is also so much room

Korel Laloix: Yes, right and left bounderies of "normal"ish process.

Eliza Madrigal nods

Korel Laloix: And deeling with people outside those bounds can be unsetteling.

Eliza Madrigal: I like thinking of emotions as part of body... is that the accepted wisdom now

Eliza Madrigal: ?

Catrinamonblue Resident: i think them that way

Wol Euler: I've heard that, yes

Korel Laloix: Hard to seperate mind and body in so many ways.

Catrinamonblue Resident: but why seperate them?

Eliza Madrigal: well for myself if I see emotions as mental I try to think my way out of them :)

Eliza Madrigal: or think them in various directions

Korel Laloix: There can be power in analysing different dimensions of any problem set indepedantly, but you don't get the whole picture that way.

Eliza Madrigal: I love the feeling of a great film that captivates entirely and one forgets their troubles - putting one's mind off of them is like stopping the tampering

Eliza Madrigal: sometimes has to be a damn good film ^^

Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

Wol Euler grins.

Korel Laloix: sometimes a film can be so bad it can achieve the same effect though... smiles

Eliza Madrigal: hahaha

Eliza Madrigal: true :) that's when I pull out Xanadu

Catrinamonblue Resident: LOVE Xanadu

Korel Laloix: Thinks back at being coercerd into wathing Buckaroo Banzi and Titanic.

Eliza Madrigal giggles

Korel Laloix looks up Xanadu

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, Titanic I have had a tumultuous time with - first hating then liking parts

Eliza Madrigal: now I can see the whole of it and appreciate it more

Eliza Madrigal: but still think Leo and Kate didn't quite match chemistry wise :P

Korel Laloix: O my word.

Eliza Madrigal smiles

Catrinamonblue Resident: gong to have to go, sorry

Korel Laloix: Take care.

Eliza Madrigal: OK Catrina, wish you well today

Eliza Madrigal: (((( )))))

Catrinamonblue Resident: thanks

Korel Laloix: THe thing about that Titanic movie was that there was no suspense.

--BELL--

Wol Euler: bye catrina, sorry I missed her

Korel Laloix: 17 hours later, the ship still sinks, *and you know that before it starts*.... I soooo want that day of my life back.

Eliza Madrigal: :) well... in terms of our lives... it is sort of profound...

Eliza Madrigal: we know the ship sinks at the end

Wol Euler: we know that almost every film has a happy ending, but we still go to see them. The should-be-lovers will get togehter, justice will prevail etc etc

Wol Euler: I haven'

Korel Laloix: Yes, but in a normal movie, you don't know the main plot device ahead of time... smiles

Wol Euler: haven't seen Titanic, I had an overdose of Titanic stuff from working for a year on an exhibition about it

Korel Laloix: And besides, I am missing that part of my brain that should let me appraciate chickflicks.

Wol Euler grins.

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: what is your favorite film Kori?

Korel Laloix: Be thankful you missed it.

Korel Laloix: Ooo... very hard to say.

Korel Laloix: Mood dependant really.

Korel Laloix: I watch Koyaanisqatsi regularly.

Korel Laloix: Or at least half watch it.

Eliza Madrigal: hmmm :::googles::::

Korel Laloix: A Beautiful Mind was nice.

Eliza Madrigal: looks amazing

Korel Laloix: There are a coupld of westerns I liked, but can't remember the names.

Eliza Madrigal: A Beautiful Mind is wonderful

Korel Laloix: There are three movies in the series.. the first one if by far the best.

Wol Euler: yes, loved that

Eliza Madrigal: what about you Wol?

Wol Euler: (beautiful mind)

Wol Euler: oh, so many :)

Wol Euler: I was reminded of a favourite last night, by the music

Wol Euler: Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid

Korel Laloix: I guess if I had to chose one favee movie it would be Mulholland Drive.

Wol Euler: Dylan's song "Knocking on Heaven

Wol Euler: heaven's door"

Wol Euler: is so moving

Eliza Madrigal: mmmm have not seen either...

Wol Euler: oh you must

Wol Euler: both :)

Wol Euler: heheheh

Eliza Madrigal smiles

Wol Euler: very different

Korel Laloix: Mulholland Drive is an *exquisitly twisted* film... and beutiful.

Wol Euler: PG&BtK is similar to the Third Man

Wol Euler: both are about betrayal and the loss of friendship

Eliza Madrigal: oh wow... feel good flicks... :)

Wol Euler: hehehehehe,. really :)

Wol Euler: so perhaps save them for a not-rainy day

Eliza Madrigal: I guess 'favorite' is never a fair question

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: hard to answer fairly

Wol Euler: as Korel said, the answer depends on mood

Eliza Madrigal: agree

Wol Euler: I loved Tarkovsky's "Sacrifice", wonderful film, but I don't really need to see it again

Wol Euler: whereas I do need to see Billy the Kid

Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes some films do fall into those categories...

Eliza Madrigal: I rented Shindler's List about 10 times before I could watch it

Eliza Madrigal: just kept renting it and sending it back

Wol Euler nods.

Korel Laloix: I have not tried to watch it.

Wol Euler: nor I

Eliza Madrigal: powerful medium

Wol Euler: what did you think of it, when you finally saw the film?

--BELL--

Wol Euler: in view of your hesitation

Korel Laloix: Just watched I Can't THink Straight.

Korel Laloix: That was interesting.

Korel Laloix: The Mission with DeNearo wa an amazing flim as well.

Eliza Madrigal: I felt that it was important to have watched

Eliza Madrigal: and to have listened and been there in that way...

Wol Euler nods.

Eliza Madrigal: it was beautiful, which is such a horrific thing to say...

Eliza Madrigal: but the way that light was worked with

Korel Laloix: And La Otra Conquista is another one.

Wol Euler listens.

Eliza Madrigal: complexity at times, humanity - hard to talk about really

Eliza Madrigal: I feel like I haven't seen many films right now... hah... but I know that isn't so

Wol Euler nods thoughtfully. Perhaps I will have to see it after all.

Eliza Madrigal: Life is Beautiful is the same... rented it many times

Wol Euler: oh yes, lovely film

Eliza Madrigal nods

Korel Laloix: Don't know that one... looking up.

Wol Euler: highly recommended, korel

Eliza Madrigal: quite a film

Eliza Madrigal: my son watched that in school a few years ago... hm, 3rd grade actually

Wol Euler: huh

Eliza Madrigal: the teacher gained permission from the parents

Wol Euler: good :)

Eliza Madrigal: and explained very eloquently why she wanted to do so and how she would talk with them and listen to them

Eliza Madrigal: rare bird of a teacher :) ::stops to nod thanks in ether:::

Eliza Madrigal: :))

Wol Euler smiles.

Korel Laloix: I had to do a paper on Tulio Levi-Chivita.

Korel Laloix: So learned a bit about how Jews were treated in Italy in WWII.

Korel Laloix: Was very interesting.

Wol Euler: who is that, korel?

Eliza Madrigal listens

Korel Laloix: one sec.

Korel Laloix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullio_Levi-Civita

Wol Euler: hmmmm

Wol Euler: thank you, korel

Korel Laloix: Had a lot wrtten corespondance with Einstein about his math.

Wol Euler: indeed - *corrected errors in Einstein's math* :)

Korel Laloix: Good chats about Tensors in physics that I have no idea about.

Korel Laloix: yes

Eliza Madrigal: ah, perhaps wiki entry could be added to :))

Korel Laloix: Yes.

Eliza Madrigal: btw Kori I hated to miss your talk Saturday

Eliza Madrigal: will it be posted?

Wol Euler: oh, no, what was that?

Korel Laloix: Most of it.

Eliza Madrigal: in I-Ching

Korel Laloix: THere are parts I want cut out.

Korel Laloix: But I can talk to you about that in IM if you want...

Korel Laloix: I just don't want parts posted.

Eliza Madrigal: thank you

Eliza Madrigal: I'll read what is posted then pester you for missing pieces :)

Wol Euler grins.

Korel Laloix: OK... smiles

Wol Euler: oh, okay

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: It was an interesting talk.

Korel Laloix: *TUlio saved all of Alberts letters, but Albert through away most of Tulio's evidently... So the record of the conversation is only half there.*

Eliza Madrigal: I wonder how much Einstein made those decisions... re keeping and losing...

Eliza Madrigal: have heard that his secretary kept the world for him

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: a veyr disorganized person

Wol Euler: distracted, one might politely say

Wol Euler: (apparently)

Eliza Madrigal smiles

Eliza Madrigal: sort of comforting

Korel Laloix: I wish I remembered my physics classes a little.

Korel Laloix: But just brain dumped it all right after the final.

Wol Euler: yes, eliza

Eliza Madrigal: ::long sigh::::

Eliza Madrigal: time to go

Eliza Madrigal: :) this has been nice, thank you both

Eliza Madrigal: hope Catrina will be OK, and that we'll see our Boxy robot again soon :)

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: tahnk you, eliza, and enjoy the day

Korel Laloix: Ciao

Eliza Madrigal waves warmly

Wol Euler: I dumped a lot of classes too, and forgot much of the rest over the decades

Wol Euler: are you curious about physics?

Korel Laloix: The math part interests me.

Korel Laloix: Some statistical issues.

Korel Laloix: But in general... had very bad teachers.

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler:** science is easy to teach badly :(**

Korel Laloix: Just not bad teaching..

Korel Laloix: That was the really bad part... could not even get extra help if I wanted.

Wol Euler: that's terrible

Korel Laloix: But I did learn some good math things out of it.

Korel Laloix: So not a complete loss..

Wol Euler smiles.

Korel Laloix: I have had such a mix of teachers....

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: brb

Korel Laloix: Back.

Wol Euler: wb

Korel Laloix: But you do learn from bad teachers as well.

Korel Laloix: My philosophy teachers are the best example.

Wol Euler grins.

Korel Laloix: Was just a joke.. but seeing that it was a joke was a big thing for me.

Wol Euler: somebody who wants to learn will do so despite their environment, in my experience

Wol Euler: as you did

Korel Laloix: And as we were talking about recenttly... art apprciation class.. wow.

Korel Laloix: Just one big self reinforcing dilusion.

Wol Euler: just a sec, cd player is going mad

Korel Laloix: NO worries.

Korel Laloix: Need to get mor motrin in my system.

Wol Euler: odd, I think the CD is rotting.

Korel Laloix smiles

Wol Euler: looks and feels odd, and the machine can't read it

Korel Laloix: As in the content or the actual disk?..

Wol Euler: yes, the plastic itself is degrading

Korel Laloix: Is it dirty?

Wol Euler: turning yellow

Wol Euler: no ,clean

Wol Euler: I'll try it in a computer, see if I can at least save the music off it

Korel Laloix: YOu may not want to do that.

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: If the CD is deteriorating, it might dirty your lens.

Korel Laloix: Just a thought.

Wol Euler: oh I don't think parts are falling off it

Wol Euler: but I will check that, thanks

Korel Laloix: I don't really buy to many CDs.. prefffer to just download.

Korel Laloix: But having a cope is nice sometimes.

Wol Euler: yep

Wol Euler: I haven't really bought a CD (other than as a present) in ages

Wol Euler: I buy single songs on iTunes these days

Wol Euler: and sometimes albums too, virtually

Korel Laloix: That is the easiest way really.

Korel Laloix: But you can colllect a lot of junk though.

Korel Laloix: Just like SL inventory.

Wol Euler: yep :)

Wol Euler: but on the whole, I haven't. There is probably less crap in my iTunes collection than in my physical CDs

Korel Laloix: OH OK.

Korel Laloix: I don't collect a lot of that stuff anyway.

Korel Laloix: I have sort of a need to keep things simple.

Wol Euler: like your inventory :)

Wol Euler smiles.

Korel Laloix: yes... smiles

Korel Laloix: But sort of that way RL as well.

Wol Euler nods.

Korel Laloix: br

Korel Laloix: brb

Wol Euler: all right, it's time for me to move on towards bed

Wol Euler: ah

Wol Euler: perfect timing :)

Korel Laloix: Take care.. thanks for the chat.

Wol Euler: you too! take care

Korel Laloix: Ciao bella

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