2012.11.20 19:00 - dropping and filling


    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.


    Eos Amaterasu: HI Storm
    Eos Amaterasu: Guardian of the Terraces
    Storm Nordwind: Good evening :)

    Some references here to Heidegger's Being and Time book

    Eos Amaterasu: Care is the Being of Dasein
    Eos Amaterasu: (Dasein : "being there")
    Eos Amaterasu: (Human Being)
    Storm Nordwind: You're ahead of me. I haven't started reading that book yet!
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, I read it a long time ago

    Storm Nordwind: Hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: greetings
    stevenaia Michinaga: I can't seem to find a sitable pillow tonight
    Eos Amaterasu: then, when I came across the Three Pillars of Zen book, and its chapter on Dogen's "being-time"... wow!
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi stevenaia
    Eos Amaterasu has never thought of pillows as unstable :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, unable to sit on a few


    Storm Nordwind: Is it the pillows, the avatar or the mind that's unstable? ;)

    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: it's all of the above... in the form of perception
    Eos Amaterasu: the avatar makes the pillows
    Eos Amaterasu: the typist makes the avatar
    Eos Amaterasu: the mind drives the typist
    Eos Amaterasu: who thinks mind's thoughts?
    stevenaia Michinaga: the mind's typist
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: and where does the stardust come from
    Storm Nordwind: Interesting chain, and not totally unrelated to my simple thought on what (I think) is this week's topic.
    Eos Amaterasu listens
    stevenaia Michinaga: topic?
    stevenaia Michinaga: nothing on the big board
    Storm Nordwind: I think it was "Filling" which was supposed to be some opposite or complement to dropping. Perhaps I remember incorrectly
    Xs Andree: ao off
    Eos Amaterasu:  Dropping on Saturday and Filling Up on Sunday
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Xs
    Eos Amaterasu: but today is Tuesday
    Xs Andree smiles wide
    Eos Amaterasu: hi Xs
    Xs Andree: Hello, Stevenaia, Eos, Storm
    stevenaia Michinaga: yin and y'ang
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Xs
    Xs Andree: I met a Leanahn Sidhe
    stevenaia Michinaga: ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leanan_s%C3%ADdhe
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Well anyway, it occurred to me that the awareness behind all the layers has no inside to be filled. More of a point if a spacial metaphor was needed.
    Xs Andree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leanan_s%C3%ADdhe
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm
    Eos Amaterasu: less filling, more taste
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems dropping and filling are just part of the continuum, needing each other to exist
    Eos Amaterasu: no fill, no drop
    Storm Nordwind: I disagree
    Xs Andree: I have no context to understand.
    Storm Nordwind: Instead of filling, one is clad in layers to drop
    Eos Amaterasu: and one is inside the layers?
    stevenaia Michinaga: dropping more and more?
    Storm Nordwind: Spacially one can use that metaphor, peeling away the onion
    stevenaia Michinaga: ...until?
    Xs Andree: I have no layers that i do not invent myself.
    Eos Amaterasu: perhaps it's sufficient to peel away
    Eos Amaterasu: without any expectation of center
    Storm Nordwind: Until you find the awareness that is
    stevenaia Michinaga: so you drop until you are full of awareness?
    Storm Nordwind: The layers are fine. No need to peel away at all. Just accept them for what they are. Just don't identify with any of them!
    Storm Nordwind: It's more a case of mistaken identifying (rather than mistaken identity!)
    Xs Andree: What do you want to be filled with?
    Eos Amaterasu: there is no hole in this doughnut
    Storm Nordwind: Who me? Nothing. Not necessary. Not even possible! :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: but awareness is no small thing, it may be the only thing
    Eos Amaterasu: if not, we wouldn't know
    Xs Andree: Then I can show you how to be filled with nothing.
    Eos Amaterasu: but things do rise up with strong fixation
    Eos Amaterasu: then you start wishing for holes in the doughnut
    Xs Andree: ㋡ Stevenaia


    Xs Andree: I love you all. Thank you.

    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, ty
    Eos Amaterasu: dropping and filling, like go and touch, touch and go
    Xs Andree: I am a Nihilist. Nothing is my specialty
    Eos Amaterasu: Nothing is my specialty :: I am a generalist |||| dropping :: filling
    Xs Andree: ㋡
    Xs Andree: We should all be what we are, it gives us all something to contribute.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am always amazed when people try to be anything other than that
    Eos Amaterasu: yeah, that's interesting - if you're truly not attached, you can let yourself be, and you can truly give
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps they don't know what they are and are searching (or maybe don't care)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Rhi
    stevenaia Michinaga: Greetings Rhi
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Steve, EOS, storm
    Xs Andree: i am attached. I accept anihilation, however.
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi xs
    Eos Amaterasu: yeah, that's mostly our fate, Xs
    Xs Andree: Very pleasant to see you again, Rhiannon, some friends of yours were wondering when you would return.
    stevenaia Michinaga: we are talking about Filling (as opposed to dropping) tonight
    Rhiannon Dragoone: thanks, xs
    stevenaia Michinaga: were you away?
    Xs Andree: ㋡
    Rhiannon Dragoone: not sure I understand the distinction 
    Rhiannon Dragoone: no
    Xs Andree grins
    Rhiannon Dragoone: just hard to fit it into my schedule 
    Eos Amaterasu: Hmm: "fill your mind" as a 90 second framing
    stevenaia Michinaga: interesting you are cheek to cheek w/ Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: I guess mind gets filled willy nilly
    Xs Andree giggles
    Eos Amaterasu: sounds like a jazz song
    Storm Nordwind: The mind needs no help in filling ... or regurgitating!
    Eos Amaterasu: no matter, never mind
    Xs Andree: Out of nothing, something must come
    Eos Amaterasu: the question is how to live with that
    Xs Andree: Accept existence
    Eos Amaterasu: and keep the continuity of both
    Eos Amaterasu: yield
    Xs Andree: Then Accept anihilation
    stevenaia Michinaga: out of emptyness comes something to fill the void, not sure there is such a thing as nothingness, even awareness is something
    Xs Andree: (-No-Thing) exists
    stevenaia Michinaga: wb Rhi
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi
    Eos Amaterasu: can I keep my mind occupied for 90 seconds?


    stevenaia Michinaga: what do you see when only awareness remains Storm
    Eos Amaterasu: There a beautiful line from my teachers' teacher: "awareness arises as anything whatsoever"
    Eos Amaterasu: can I be there that way with all the stuff the fills the day?
    Xs Andree: as in the ninety seconds?
    Eos Amaterasu: the ninety seconds is a nice special case
    Eos Amaterasu: mabye we flip it around
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I've been simpltyimg my life, and I feel much better
    Xs Andree: I filled a day and an evening with one.
    Xs Andree nods nods in agreement with Rhiannon
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Xs Andree: Nothing Matters
    Eos Amaterasu: but that's hard to remember when a strong emotion comes up - really pissed, or jealous, or depressed, or happy
    Rhiannon Dragoone: my income dropped bY 2/3 when I stopped stripping, but now that I've successfully lowered my expenses, im muchhappier making less
    Eos Amaterasu: nothing left to strip :-)
    Xs Andree grins wide
    Eos Amaterasu: stripping is flamboyant dropping?
    Xs Andree: I'm glad to hear that Rhiannon, erotic dancing is not as easy as many think.
    Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, you guys! u knew what I meant. lol
    Rhiannon Dragoone: cs, it's very hard
    Xs Andree nods
    Rhiannon Dragoone: on your spirit as well as ur body
    Xs Andree: I can only do it for the experience of it, and only very rarely. At least as a career
    Xs Andree: For pleasure alone, however, it is much different
    Rhiannon Dragoone: nods 

    Eos Amaterasu: So Xs, want to say more about your Leanan sidhe?
    Xs Andree: Only that I was honored to meet her.
    Xs Andree: ...apart from sharing something special to me with you all, of course.
    Xs Andree: I've wanted to meet one for years since i heard of them.
    stevenaia Michinaga: how did you find one?
    Storm Nordwind had good friends in England who were interested in Celtic folklore, although was himself more active in Heathen folklore.


    Xs Andree: Stopped looking? Wanted to meet one, then stopped searching.
    Rhiannon Dragoone: R we talking a witch?
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like how you find love
    Storm Nordwind: None of the witches I ever knew fit the description of Leanan sídhe that Xs pointed us to.
    Xs Andree: They are fey, considered vampiric. Young celtic musicians would give their lives to a leanan sidhe in exchange for inspiration
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I don't know what that is
    Eos Amaterasu: seems a bit of a hungry ghost
    Xs Andree: They are also considered close to Succubi and banshees
    Rhiannon Dragoone: oh ok
    Storm Nordwind: One might make deliberate contact with them through shamanic practices
    Xs Andree: oops?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: gtg TC, all
    Storm Nordwind: Bye then Rhi... and belated ly to Eos
    Rhiannon Dragoone: waves and poofs
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Rhi
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Storm, Xs
    Storm Nordwind: Bye!
    stevenaia Michinaga: can you put the week's theme on the board or can only Bleu do that?
    Storm Nordwind: Bleu owns the board. I might do something though, though I guess she will soon anyway
    stevenaia Michinaga: okies, night
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Storm Nordwind: Might be a good idea to make it programmable, without having to create new textures
    Storm Nordwind: Probably time for me to go too :)
    Storm Nordwind: Be well!

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