2012.11.21 13:00 - some books need time to give their gifts

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Santoshima Resident. No additional comments are by Santoshima Resident
    { except: apology to Korel and Zon ... was too slow with the camera and missed photos of you at this chat. }

     

     

     

    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Korel Laloix: Interesting hat .... smiles
    Santoshima Resident: hi Korel
    Korel Laloix smiles


    — BELL —


    Korel Laloix: What you up to today?
    Santoshima Resident: working, coming here for 1 pm GoC
    Santoshima Resident: you?
    Korel Laloix: At work as well.
    Korel Laloix: But a slow day.
    Santoshima Resident: what is entailed in a slow day?
    Korel Laloix: No one actually comming into the office.


    Santoshima Resident: greetings Storm :)
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Korel Laloix: So just routine things.
    Storm Nordwind: Hi both :)


    Santoshima Resident: welcome Bruce
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: Hell; ahoy; and greetings!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello*
    Bruce Mowbray: sry!


    Santoshima Resident: how's everyone?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. Feeling lazy and a bit laidback...
    Bruce Mowbray: How are you, san?
    Korel Laloix: A little bored and sore.
    Storm Nordwind: Far too hot, but otherwise fine thank you
    Korel Laloix: That sounds nice actually ... where you at?
    Santoshima Resident: hmm, a nice range
    Bruce Mowbray: "Sore" asin ouchy ouch ... or sore as in angry?
    Bruce Mowbray: as in*
    Santoshima Resident: running, Korel?
    Santoshima Resident: did you do the marathon?
    Korel Laloix: Almost 80 here ... love it.
    Korel Laloix: Yes, from teh marathon.
    Korel Laloix: Takes me a few days to stop feeling it.
    Bruce Mowbray: kk. Sore as in ouchy ouch.
    Korel Laloix: Yes ...
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

     

     

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    Bruce Mowbray: But don't you feel really GREAT that you were about to run it?
    Korel Laloix: Just taking ipubroffin and walking every day.
    Bruce Mowbray: able — not about*
    Korel Laloix: Yes.. very fortunate I can do that sort of things.
    Korel Laloix: But as I think I said earlier, no intenion of every doing another one.
    Korel Laloix: Think I am done with that sort of thing.
    Bruce Mowbray cannot imagine trying to run 26 miles.
    Korel Laloix smiles.. If you try to think about it when you are doing it, you will fail ...
    Korel Laloix: You have to seperate your mind from it ... at least I do.
    Bruce Mowbray: Although in "hindsight" — I could easily walk that in a day — a long time ago.
    Korel Laloix: Would be more civilized that way for sure.

     
    Bruce Mowbray: I've heard about long-distance runners "running inside the breath..." Does that make sense to you, Kori?
    Bruce Mowbray: Apparently, running "outside the breath" leads to exhaustion, for sure.
    Korel Laloix: There are various techniques to pace your breathing, pace, stride, etc.
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.ehow.com/how_18755_breath...y-running.html
    Korel Laloix: For me, as I go, I have to make a deliberate effort to do full lung breathing as I start to want to do shawllow breaths.
    Korel Laloix: Which is not a good place to be.
    Bruce Mowbray: I understand that. Also, I've heard that the mind's emphasis should be placed on breathing OUT - not on breathing in, which apparently results in gasping.
    Korel Laloix: Both are important, but yes, people tend to mess up the exhale vs the inhale more... or some reserach suggests at least.
    Korel Laloix: THink I am going to stay with half marathons from now on.
    Korel Laloix: Far less painful.
    Bruce Mowbray: I am hearing metaphors all over the place with this one!
    Korel Laloix: Like what?
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, you have already said that running is your best time for prayer and contemplation.


    — BELL —


    Bruce Mowbray: So, that sort of brings me to think of metaphors ...
    Bruce Mowbray: ooops, sry ... dropping now.
    Bruce Mowbray: Now I am thinking about breathing out and breathing in ... and dropping ("out")
    Bruce Mowbray: Getting rid of the "bad air," so to speak.
    Bruce Mowbray: or, perhaps it would be better to say, "Releasing the used-up air ...."
    Korel Laloix: That works.
    Bruce Mowbray: dropping the used-up frameworks ....
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Korel Laloix: You have to get teh O2 depleted air out so it can be replaced by normal air.
    Bruce Mowbray: I have noticed, in using Yogic breathing techniques, that if you breathe OUT, the in-breath comes automatically and effortlessly.
    Korel Laloix: Some of the same techinques are used as I understand it.
    Bruce Mowbray: Like — it is as if the Cosmos were out there waiting for you to get rid of stuff — and it then graciously fills you with the new and the good, effortlessly.

     

     

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    Wol Euler: evening all
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, Woly!
    Santoshima Resident: greetings Wol
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Wol Euler waves.


    Bruce Mowbray is soooo happy to have his Oreo cookie back - THANKS TO STORM!!!!
    Korel Laloix: Well, if you run past a stockyard, the intake air might not be too fresh.
    Bruce Mowbray: afk for just a sec .....
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Bruce Mowbray: brb .....
    Korel Laloix: ok
    Wol Euler listens, trying to pick up the topic.
    Santoshima Resident: air / breath/ running / yogic breath control
    Santoshima Resident: etc
    Wol Euler: ah, ty


    Santoshima Resident: ruby!!!
    Santoshima Resident: ruby dang if i understand these dogs


    Korel Laloix: And breath control is important in my dancing as well.
    Korel Laloix: I think breathing is one of those things that we mess up all the time like posture.
    Bruce Mowbray: [back]
    Wol Euler: wb
    Korel Laloix: Just so out of touch with how are bodies are designed.
    Wol Euler: and yes, very likely, korel
    Wol Euler: especially those who spend all day hunched over a keyboard
    Korel Laloix: Yes ...
    Santoshima Resident: together ~ each influences the other
    Bruce Mowbray considers that he has better posture than his typist does.


    Korel Laloix: And the other good thing about running, it not only cleans out your lungs, it cleans out your pours from the sweat.
    Wol Euler: saunas are good for that too :)
    Korel Laloix: I really work on my posture ... something I had to take up from my physical therapist.
    Wol Euler: one of the joys of living in Germany is having good saunas
    Santoshima Resident: :)
    Bruce Mowbray pnders that mammals and birds always seem to have perfect posture ....
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, Zon!
    Korel Laloix: I really don't like fake heat ... but if it is all I can get, I won't turn it down.


    Santoshima Resident: hello Zon
    Korel Laloix: Back in a bit ... work
    Bruce Mowbray: When my typist built his humble abode — eleven yhears ago — he built a sauna into it.
    Wol Euler: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: bye bye Kori.
    Santoshima Resident: bye korel
    Wol Euler: nice
    Wol Euler: hello zon
    Bruce Mowbray: I've used it for year, though.
    Bruce Mowbray: Now I just use it for storage.
    Bruce Mowbray: I should clean it out and start using it again.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: Errr ... my typist should do that, not me.
    Santoshima Resident: good idea
    Bruce Mowbray: How are you this evening, Zon?
    Bruce Mowbray: corrrection: "I've NOT used it for years, though ..."*
    Bruce Mowbray ponders "Hindsight."
    Zon Kwan: good , and you
    Bruce Mowbray: I am relaxed and in excellent posture. . . My typist is, well, not in such good posture as I am.


    — BELL —


    Zon Kwan: typist ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Bruce's typist.
    Santoshima Resident: bruce's significant other
    Bruce Mowbray: his RL avi.
    Zon Kwan: ah .. lol
    Bruce Mowbray: Maybe the typist wouldn't have had to have back surgery this year if his posture were as good as Bruce's.
    Zon Kwan: why not put hinin goo dpose
    Santoshima Resident: good question
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: (just did that, Zon — but thanks for the suggestion).
    Zon Kwan: back well now ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Now, let's see how long he can maintain it.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, my typist's back seems to be fine now.
    Bruce Mowbray: TY.

     

     

     

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    Bruce Mowbray: Eliza and I are both reading a wonderful book.
    Bruce Mowbray: I started reading it again for the second time.
    Bruce Mowbray: (today).
    Zon Kwan: which book
    Bruce Mowbray: "Night Train to Lisbon" by Pascal Mercier
    Bruce Mowbray: We talked about it maybe a week ago.
    Zon Kwan: ah yes you mentioned it
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Wol Euler: ah yes
    Santoshima Resident: oh, genre?
    Bruce Mowbray: It is even BETTER the second time around.
    Santoshima Resident: fiction?
    Bruce Mowbray: fiction ...
    Santoshima Resident: memoir?
    Bruce Mowbray: philoosophical fiction ...
    Santoshima Resident: oh
    Bruce Mowbray: phenomenological, perhaps.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Santoshima Resident: synopsis?
    Bruce Mowbray: Really a remarkable book — probably the best I've read in years.
    Storm Nordwind: The German or the English version? :)
    Bruce Mowbray: A Swiss high school teacher of ancient languages ....
    Bruce Mowbray: meets by chance a woman on a bridge ...
    Bruce Mowbray: and then quits teaching altogether ...
    Zon Kwan: woamen ...
    Bruce Mowbray: and goes to Portugal to look up the things she has suggested to him. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: woman*
    Bruce Mowbray: And uncovers a whol world ...
    Bruce Mowbray: whole*
    Bruce Mowbray: MARVELOUSLY written.
    Bruce Mowbray: I am really looking forward to discussing it with Eliza,
    Wol Euler makes a note
    Santoshima Resident: ditto
    Bruce Mowbray: I will find it for you, ...
    Santoshima Resident: wb korel
    Bruce Mowbray: wb Kori!
    Korel Laloix: me smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=pd_sl_5o...rain+to+Lisbon
    Storm Nordwind: http://www.amazon.com/Night-Train-Li.../dp/0802143970
    Bruce Mowbray: It is NOT the one by Emily Grayson!


    Zon Kwan: must run, waves
    Wol Euler: bye zon
    Santoshima Resident: so long, Zon ~ take care
    Bruce Mowbray: bye Zon!

     

     

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    Bruce Mowbray: That's the one, Storm.
    Storm Nordwind: The English version then
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I can only read English, unfortunately.
    Storm Nordwind: Wol might want to try the original German
    Bruce Mowbray: The novel is written by a French philosopher, about a Swiss teacher of Latin and Greek, who travels to Portugal ....
    Wol Euler grins.
    Wol Euler: very likely
    Bruce Mowbray: and was originally written in German!
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Wol could read it in the original.
    Wol Euler: hopefully in German, not in Schwyzerdeutsch
    Bruce Mowbray: There are MANY points in the English version that I feel would be better in German, actually.
    Korel Laloix: Reading the synopsis... sorry, I have not interest in reading that at all ... smiles
    Wol Euler: that is often the case with translated books, in my experience
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Kori, you've told us this before.
    Wol Euler: one often finds a spot where the writing is somehow just wrong
    Bruce Mowbray: It seems to me, anyway, that the author has really captured the inner core of phenomenological experience.
    Wol Euler: (well, often as in once every two or three books :)
    Bruce Mowbray: and also of "dropping" and of hindsight .....
    Bruce Mowbray: (It is especially fitting for an old man to read it ....)
    Santoshima Resident: hmm ... how about old women?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it would also work for wolder women .... there are older women in the book — and are very important (essential, acctually) to the plot's development.
    Bruce Mowbray: older*
    Santoshima Resident: do they talk to one another?


    — BELL —


    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. Do the older women talk to each othe3r?
    Santoshima Resident: yes. & does their presence contribute directly to the plot development?
    Santoshima Resident: { just wondering }
    Bruce Mowbray: Absolutely, it does!
    Bruce Mowbray: It does from the very beginning of the novel to the very end of it.
    Santoshima Resident: i might read it
    Bruce Mowbray: It would be a real gift to yourself, San.
    Bruce Mowbray: Since I will not be going to a family dinner tomorrow (America's Thanksgiving), I expect to spend most of the day doing two things:
    Bruce Mowbray: continuing with the novel,
    Bruce Mowbray: and wating a DVD of KING LEAR.
    Bruce Mowbray: watching*
    Santoshima Resident: great lineup Bruce


    Santoshima Resident: Wester !!!
    Santoshima Resident: greetings
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, Wester!!!!
    Santoshima Resident: { it's a miracle ! }
    Wol Euler: hello wester
    Wester Kiranov: hi all
    Bruce Mowbray: So good to see you again!
    Santoshima Resident: lovely to see you, how's life wester ?
    Wester Kiranov: nice t see you all too
    Wester Kiranov: life is still going on, so that's good :-)
    Santoshima Resident: :)
    Wol Euler smiles.

     

     

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    Wester Kiranov: were you talking about anything?
    Bruce Mowbray: We were talking about a novel that I'm reading for the second time,
    Bruce Mowbray: but would rather talk about you ... or to hear more about how you are.
    Korel Laloix: Back in a bit again.
    Bruce Mowbray: kk, Kori.
    Wester Kiranov: you sure?
    Wester Kiranov: cu kori
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I am sure.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bruce Mowbray speaks only for himself, of course.
    Wester Kiranov: well, I am almost well again
    Wester Kiranov: and actually curious what novel you were talking about — can you tell me which one so I can decide what I want to talk about myself ;-P
    Bruce Mowbray: I will indeed tell you ...
    Bruce Mowbray: just a sec ....
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/Night-Train-Li.../dp/0802143970
    Bruce Mowbray: Please do not fail to read the comments at the bottom!
    Santoshima Resident: ty — didn't read those last time
    Bruce Mowbray: “A book so intent on answering the larger questions of existence that if readers give it a chance, it could be life-altering. A brilliant book that manages to excite the mind and the heart in equal measure.” —Betsy Burton, The King’s English Bookshop, Salt Lake City, UT
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza is on-line ... and she's reading the novel too!
    Wester Kiranov: I have to admit I don't know it at all
    Wester Kiranov: what is so fascinating about it?
    Bruce Mowbray: I'd not heard of it either, until my meditation teacher recommended it highly.

     

     

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    Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Eliza!
    Santoshima Resident: hi Eliza :)
    Wester Kiranov: hi eliza
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Bruce Mowbray: For me, the most fascinating is the protagonist's introspection....
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone :)
    Wol Euler: hello eliza
    Bruce Mowbray: through the writings of another man, who lived thirty years earlier... (a bit of a complex plot, sry.)


    — BELL —


    Bruce Mowbray: There is an inter-play of viewpoints about life — one from the Swiss contemporary language teacher (Latin and Greek) and the other from a doctor who wrote memoirs thirty years earlier and who is now dead ...
    Bruce Mowbray would LOVE to hear from Eliza about this.


    Wester Kiranov: how do the viewpoints differ? and how do they interact?
    Eliza Madrigal: the book is what I'd call wonderful company
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh my!
    Bruce Mowbray: Wonderful company, YES!
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: I look forward to my time with it
    Bruce Mowbray: The novel will be my "company" tomorrow — on Thanksgiving.
    Bruce Mowbray: I also do, Eliza -- and I am now reading it for the second time.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal smiles, me too
    Bruce Mowbray: "an old friend," already!
    Bruce Mowbray: GREAT!


    Eliza Madrigal: those are sharp questions Wester ... hm ...
    Bruce Mowbray wishes Eliza good luck with trying to answer ....
    Bruce Mowbray: (compexity ....)


    Wester Kiranov: well, I will need a new fiction book when I've finished re-reading Otherland ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure how the writer manages really... one doesn't even notice how much they begin to weave into one's life like people known
    Bruce Mowbray: This would be a superb new book for you,k Wester!
    Eliza Madrigal: *the characters begin to weave in, I mean
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, agrees with Eliza. . . there is much weaving of lives and thoughts.
    Eliza Madrigal: how is Otherland Wester?
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...ords=Otherland
    Wester Kiranov: It is very long, but I knew that :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wester Kiranov: So many characters and plotlines
    Wester Kiranov: but very enjoyable
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, I understand!
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: sounds exhilarating
    Wester Kiranov: it's about a group of people who get struck in virtual reality
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh!
    Eliza Madrigal: lol
    Wol Euler: hehehhe
    Eliza Madrigal: required reading then ...
    Wol Euler makes another note
    Bruce Mowbray ponders a question like, "Now that you've finished reading THE UNABRIDGED HISTORY OF HUMANKIND, what did you think of it?
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Wester Kiranov: it's four books of about 1000 pages each
    Wol Euler: mmmkay
    Wester Kiranov: so not for slow readers
    Bruce Mowbray: The first time I read a really good book, I read it rather quickly ...
    Bruce Mowbray: The second time, I read it slowly — making unerlinings and marginal notes.
    Wester Kiranov: It's a nice thing about re-reading, you're not in so much of a hurry to finish it
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Bruce Mowbray: Exactly!
    Wester Kiranov: I always want to finish books
    Bruce Mowbray: and you also have a larger context, within which it all makes sense.
    Wol Euler: and one picks up so much more the second time through
    Bruce Mowbray: Absolutely, Wol.'
    Wester Kiranov: maybe I should re-read more
    Bruce Mowbray: (I thought I was the only one who had to read a book at least twice to "get" it.)
    Eliza Madrigal: I've had to develop the abiity to put a book down occasionally while reading, which has been hard, but it is interesting to see the process of letting go and picking back up - submerging/emerging
    Bruce Mowbray: So true, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: I used to just plow through voracioiusly :)
    Wol Euler: I spotted a casual one-line joke in Pratchett's "Unseen Academicals" on my third reading of it, about a vampire working in a kosher butchery
    Bruce Mowbray: HA HA HA!!!
    Eliza Madrigal: oh my
    Bruce Mowbray: Qt recommended Pratchett to me the other day.
    Wol Euler: I would second that, very funny, very witty novels
    Bruce Mowbray: I now have six of his books on my Kindle.
    Bruce Mowbray: GREAT fantasy!
    Wester Kiranov: I'm not too wild about him actually
    Eliza Madrigal: we miss so much. I know with Night Train to Lisbon that it is not a read once book. In fact there are portions one wants to keep handy to read over and over
    Bruce Mowbray: Agrees totally with Eliza on that. A book to be read at LEAST twice, if not more.
    Eliza Madrigal: there are lines that could keep the group busy for weeks, too, hah :)
    Bruce Mowbray: This is definitely true, Eliza.
    Wester Kiranov: well, my librarything account tells me 3 of the 9 books I am currently reading are re-reads, so that's not too bad ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure why I've not really gotten into sci fi


    — BELL —


    Bruce Mowbray: I have read TIMNE, SPACE, KNOWLEDGE four times, so far ....
    Bruce Mowbray: TIME*
    Wester Kiranov: well that is the second one of the three
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...155%2Ck%3ATime\c+Space\c+Knowledge
    Eliza Madrigal: only three for me :) TSK was definitely one I read through as if preparing the ground so that I could actually read it
    Wester Kiranov: and definitely one to keep on reading
    Eliza Madrigal: I would take it outside to read so that the openness of the environment could help
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wester Kiranov: nice idea
    Bruce Mowbray: One GREAT thing about retirement and hermit-hood is that one has LOTS of free time to READ!!! — although I sometimes feel guilty about that because it seems so self-indulgent.
    Eliza Madrigal: what could be less self-indulgent?
    Eliza Madrigal: you are immersing in other lives, seeing from other views ....
    Santoshima Resident: { ... something to drop: guilt about reading ... }
    Bruce Mowbray: I felt — as an undergrad — that my biggest problem as a student was that I was being introduced to all of these wonderful things — but had not enough time to explore them.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bruce Mowbray has just dropped all of his guilt about reading .... and almost everything else!
    Eliza Madrigal: naked book club ... next pab initiative ... lol
    Wester Kiranov: when I was ill, there was some time when I wasn't sure I could read again. Not that was scary
    Bruce Mowbray: (including losing his Oreo cookie, for Storm to find).
    Wester Kiranov: *not=now
    Santoshima Resident: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: oh dear, yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I had that experience also, Wester ... and it is scary.
    Wol Euler: wow
    Bruce Mowbray: But the experience really does bring focus and appreciation to the reading experience.
    Wol Euler: that would be a terrible thing :(
    Wester Kiranov: true, bruce
    Eliza Madrigal nods ... have tasted the edges of that too ... yet there are some decent audios :)
    Wester Kiranov: if your hearing is ok ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yup


    Storm Nordwind: ars longa, vita brevis
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, decent audios if one still has one's auditory faculties intact . . . I feel that the "lesson" for me was to fill each moment to the max with worthwhile activity — usually reading quality material.
    Bruce Mowbray: Art is long and time is fleeting. \
    Bruce Mowbray: And our hearts, though stout and brave,
    Bruce Mowbray: Still, like muffled drums are beating
    Bruce Mowbray: Funeral marches to the grave.

    Wester Kiranov: but it is so hard to tell if what you're reading actually is quality
    Bruce Mowbray: (Longfellow)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

     


    Wester Kiranov: some books need time to give their gifts
    Storm Nordwind: Ah ... I only know Hippocrates
    Eliza Madrigal: lovely Wester
    Bruce Mowbray: If you read NIGHT TRAIN TO LISBON, you will know within the first few pages that youj're reading really QUALITY material!
    Bruce Mowbray: I thik Longfellow got the phrase from Hippocrates, actually.
    Bruce Mowbray: (or one of them Greeks!)


    Wester Kiranov: some books are pretty clear from the first pages, I must admit
    Wol Euler: but not all. I was a good 200 pages in to "Infinite Jest" before I felt sure of what it was
    Wester Kiranov: the truly great and the truly awful
    Santoshima Resident: { must go } bye and thank you! * * * “Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?” ― Mary Oliver, New and Selected Poems } peaceful day all ~
    Eliza Madrigal: one of my favorite books one has to get at least 100 paegs in to begin to feel it...
    Wester Kiranov: the in betweens are the problem
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, San. And thank you!
    Wester Kiranov: bye san
    Wol Euler: bye san, take care
    Eliza Madrigal: and IJ is sitting on my shelf... still waiting for me :)
    Storm Nordwind: Bye San :)
    Wol Euler: read well
    Eliza Madrigal waves San


    Eliza Madrigal: The Watcher (9 April, 2007) A window closes and a blind comes down The night is black and he is deadly still There is a sudden burst of moonlight in the room It lights his face — a face I cannot see I know he's blind But he is watching me
    Eliza Madrigal: (Harold Pinter)


    Bruce Mowbray: Someone please say more about Infinite Jest, I don't know that one.
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    Wol Euler: David Foster Wallace's masterpiece
    Wol Euler: a scrambled multi-threaded interweaving-lives-of-apparent-strangers novel
    Bruce Mowbray: kk. Look it up. . .
    Wol Euler: big book. 700 pages of text plus nearly 200 pages of footnotes :)
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...AInfinite+Jest
    Wol Euler: non-chronologically laid out
    Wol Euler: I loved it
    Eliza Madrigal: it felt wonderful but exhausting when I attempted it


     — BELL —


    Bruce Mowbray thinks, "MY GOODNESS! That one is expensive!"
    Wol Euler: it shouldn't be expsensive, it's 16 years old. there must be massmarket paperback editions
    Bruce Mowbray: I will search them out, Wol.
    Wol Euler: I bought mine in the UK for 12 pounds sterling = about 18 US$
    Bruce Mowbray: Meanwhile I found another one by Pascal Mercier.
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.amazon.com/Perlmanns-Sile..._rhf_se_s_cp_1
    Bruce Mowbray: I am way past my dinner time -- But this has been GREAT. THANK YOU all!
    Storm Nordwind must go and start cooking the dinner. Red Egg Curry I fancy tonight
    Wol Euler: nice
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Bruce, thanks for luring me in :)
    Wol Euler: bye bruce, bye storm
    Wol Euler: bon appeitt to you both
    Eliza Madrigal: a treat
    Bruce Mowbray: May all have a thankful tomorrow — wherever you are.
    Eliza Madrigal: Happy Holiday Bruce and Bear
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Happy Holiday Storm
    Wol Euler: oh yes
    Wol Euler: thanksgiving :)
    Wester Kiranov: bye to all going
    Eliza Madrigal: am happy to linger, though nothing interesting to say :)
    Wol Euler: awwwwww
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: :) no burden - this is probably always true but I speak anyway, haha
    Eliza Madrigal cracks up
    Wol Euler: your words are always worth hearing, eliza
    Wester Kiranov: so, with three more books on my wishlist, and over 200 still to read, how am I ever going to find time to re-read?
    Eliza Madrigal: good question!
    Wol Euler: and yet one does re-read :) that is the puzzle
    Wester Kiranov: true
    Wol Euler: I think alll true readers have at least one full shelf of "not yet read" books
    Eliza Madrigal: because a reread isn't work somehow ... it has all the pleasure with none of the work
    Wol Euler: waiting for their moment to come
    Wol Euler: yes true


    Eliza Madrigal: well the only books that taunt me to read are Infinite Jest and War and Peace
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: which edition of W&P?
    Wol Euler: which translation?
    Wol Euler: .
    Eliza Madrigal: good question .. brb ... I've been blaming the cheap copy and small print ...
    Wol Euler: probably jean stegmeier if it's a cheap copy/small print
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, I put it in a box recently ...
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Eliza Madrigal: so i'm not sure, but it is a paperback and tiny print
    Wol Euler: so probably an older translation
    Eliza Madrigal: I also tried to listen to it on audio @@
    Eliza Madrigal: that was awful
    Eliza Madrigal: it downloaded without the chapters proper ... and I couldn't find where to pick up at the right times
    Wol Euler: :(
    Eliza Madrigal: you once suggested which translation to read and I made a note but didn't buy it
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: no hurry, they will remain the team to beat for a decade or so
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: Volokhonsky and Pevear
    Eliza Madrigal makes another note
    Wol Euler grins.
    Eliza Madrigal needs a secretary
    Eliza Madrigal: :)


    — BELL —


    Eliza Madrigal: (ordered it during the bell)
    Wol Euler: ah! lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: I know sometime I will read it ... god willing and the creek don't rise
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: it'll be around for a while
    Wol Euler: I tried to read W&P as a late teenager, a Penguin edition, lousy translation (I know now). Hated it, thought I was hating Tolstoy, and so put it aside for 3 decades
    Eliza Madrigal: wow


    Wester Kiranov: I do think I'll be off to bed now
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay Wester :) Sweet dreams
    Wester Kiranov: but it was very nice being with you
    Wol Euler: goodnight, wester. happy reading
    Eliza Madrigal: lovely to be with you too
    Wester Kiranov: bye
    Wol Euler smiles.


    Eliza Madrigal: with anna karenina I made it my one goal for a summer ... will be interesting to see the film
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: I bought a lawn chair that year, so that I could sit in a certain place in the yard to read ... haha ... am realizing how odd I am
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Wol Euler: that's delightful
    Wol Euler: it seems entirely reasonable to me
    Eliza Madrigal smiles


    Wol Euler: hello aph
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hello
    Eliza Madrigal: we've been having a book chat today
    Aphrodite Macbain: I came to find something I left behind here
    Eliza Madrigal: something from long ago when we were young?
    Wol Euler: behind us, apuh
    Aphrodite Macbain: but can't find it
    Wol Euler: *aph
    Wol Euler: zhalf buried in this cushon here
    Wol Euler: see it?
    Eliza Madrigal: what a beautiful outfit Aph
    Eliza Madrigal: is this for the play?
    Wol Euler: oh, nice
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes thanks! It's for my Elizabethan lady in waiting
    Eliza Madrigal: it floats
    Aphrodite Macbain: glad you like it
    Aphrodite Macbain: like ivory soap
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Eliza Madrigal: wow you took me right back in time with that line
    Aphrodite Macbain: I remember a joke I used to tell as a kid
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Aphrodite Macbain: it floats ... it floooooaaaaats
    Aphrodite Macbain: what floats?
    Aphrodite Macbain: ivory soap floaaaats
    Aphrodite Macbain: funny at the time
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Aphrodite Macbain: he he
    Eliza Madrigal: now I am remembering carving the soap into shapes ... was good for that
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'll float away now.
    Aphrodite Macbain: waves
    Eliza Madrigal: be well aphrodite :)
    Wol Euler: bye aph, float well
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks I will :-)

     
    Eliza Madrigal: I should go too ... am meeting someone to discuss a matter
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, lovely to see you again
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Wol, so nice to see you :)
    Wol Euler: take care, be gentle witih yourself
    Eliza Madrigal: you too!
    Wol Euler smiles.

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