2012.11.22 13:00 - We are our own In-Vaders

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

    thanksgiving at pab_002.png

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce! :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza and Ahoy! I'm rezzing here for sec....
    Eliza Madrigal: sure
    Lukey Woodget: Hi
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, Lukey!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lukey!
    Bruce Mowbray feels there's something VERY familiar about this Lukey dude.
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, Aph!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hoy Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph!
    Bruce Mowbray: Lukey, sry!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eliza, Lukey
    Eliza Madrigal: Lukey I saw that you brought pab into a quiz one day -much enjoyed :)
    Lukey Woodget: Hi Aphro
    Aphrodite Macbain: A quiz?
    Lukey Woodget: hehe
    Bruce Mowbray listens intently/.
    Aphrodite Macbain: can I play?
    Bruce Mowbray: Me too!
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Lukey gives quizzes in SL sometimes... very fun but I don't mean to put him on the spot
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh PUT him on the spot, Liz!
    Aphrodite Macbain: is there an LM?
    Lukey Woodget: its a shame realy its only for vai
    Eliza Madrigal: understand.. but it is very clever
    Lukey Woodget: lol you will make my head swell
    Eliza Madrigal: ^^


    Eliza Madrigal: have just set Night Train to Lisbon down to come to session.... reached a heartbreaking part...was a good time to set the book down
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh? Is it a sad book?
    Bruce Mowbray: OH MY, what was that hearbreaking ppart, if I might ask, please?
    Bruce Mowbray: No, it is not entirely a sad book -- just a very introspective one.
    Eliza Madrigal: it is beautiful but sadness is part of the authenticity

    Lukey Woodget: oh I got a animation from youtube that will break your heart
    Bruce Mowbray listens.
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah. I dont need a sad book today
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: ((Aph)))
    Aphrodite Macbain: (((Eliza)))
    Bruce Mowbray used to go to sad movie in order to get himself to cry -- when he needed a good cry.
    Eliza Madrigal: it had to do with a chess set, Bruce... all I will say in case others pick it up :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Kori!
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes, thanks, Eliza.
    Korel Laloix: Osiyo
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Kori!
    Aphrodite Macbain: aww. you couldn't just cry in the shower?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Osiyo Koria
    Bruce Mowbray: Had to prime the pump, Aph.

    (the following was a phrase from the book)

    Eliza Madrigal: :) carwash for the soul
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol

    Bruce Mowbray: Sort of like trying to write poetry, if you get my gist.
    Aphrodite Macbain: where would you write sad poetry?

    You must see...

    Lukey Woodget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOMbySJTKpg

    Korel Laloix: Anyplace with country music and taquilla.
    Lukey Woodget: if this dont make you cry then you are not human
    Aphrodite Macbain: maybe an Irish pub
    Eliza Madrigal clicks
    Bruce Mowbray watches the YouTube vid.
    Aphrodite Macbain: waits
    Lukey Woodget: :) it is amazing
    Zon Kwan: heya
    Bruce Mowbray: OH! It is 12 minutes long!!!
    Bruce Mowbray will bookmark and watch it later.
    Qt Core: hi all!
    Zon Kwan: what are you watching ?
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes me too
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone:)
    Lukey Woodget: it is one of the best animations i have seen from a small company for ages
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon and Qt and Xiri !
    Lukey Woodget: Hi all
    Eliza Madrigal: from the little peek I can see it is well done... looking forward to that
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, Zon!

    Lukey Woodget: can i ask a question please
    Zon Kwan: can you give the link once more ?
    Lukey Woodget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOMbySJTKpg
    Zon Kwan: thx :)
    Lukey Woodget: :) its a lovely film
    Bruce Mowbray: "Zero"
    Lukey Woodget: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: I look forward to watching it, Lukey.
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, Mick!
    Lukey Woodget: its about a person who is belived to be worth nothing
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, Qt!
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Folks
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh :( Lukey
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Mik, Ara
    Zon Kwan: mickey
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick and Ara!
    Zon Kwan: araa
    Eliza Madrigal: because they don't 'fit', Lukey?
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, Xir!
    Zon Kwan: how can nothing be something..starts nicely
    Aphrodite Macbain: this is very sad
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, ara!
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)

    Lukey Woodget: yes becuse people say they are nothing
    Lukey Woodget: but it has a happy ending
    Aphrodite Macbain: thank god
    Eliza Madrigal: >whew<

    Lukey Woodget: it makes me ball like a baby
    Bruce Mowbray looks forward to the happy ending.
    Zon Kwan: loves happy endings

    Mickorod Renard: I think the joy of being nothing means you are like re born as a new sheet

    Lukey Woodget: does anybody have any ghost stories from there home town
    Eliza Madrigal: beginners mind seems something different than not being recognized, heard, seen...
    Aphrodite Macbain: I dont have a home town sniff
    Bruce Mowbray: I have spent this entire day reading through personal Journals. . . and have had a few teary episodes, but ALL with happy endings, I am glad to report.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yayy
    Bruce Mowbray: Yayyyy!
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice, Bruce. your own letters from the years?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Happy thanksgiving
    Wol Euler: evening all
    Aphrodite Macbain: hey wol
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, HAPPY THANKGIVING all to Americans out there!


    Lukey Woodget: is it thanks giving today?
    arabella Ella nods
    Bruce Mowbray: (Hey, Wol, he said after the gong went off.... sry.)
    Aphrodite Macbain: in the USofA
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Wol:)
    Zon Kwan: hm..being regoconized...by who ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol!
    arabella Ella: Hiya Wol!
    Zon Kwan: wollie
    Aphrodite Macbain: awww- it's all about soulmates

    Lukey Woodget: I think people should give other people more slack people today are so wound up

    Eliza Madrigal: regarding recognition, often people carry hidden needs for acknowledgement for years and years in hidden ways
    arabella Ella: and Happy Thanksgiving to all of you in the U. S. of A.
    Bruce Mowbray: Nawwww.. It's all about solitude.
    Wol Euler: hiya, happy thanksgiving
    Lukey Woodget: what food do you get on thanksgiving
    Zon Kwan: yes EIiza, but what has that to do with beginners mind ?
    Bruce Mowbray: You mean the traditional stuff, Lukey?
    Aphrodite Macbain is not clear what is being discussed
    Zon Kwan: lol
    Lukey Woodget: yes do you get a duck
    arabella Ella: they get turkey Lukey
    Bruce Mowbray: You better believe that they carry such stuff, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: :) well it went from one line to another... not sure I can trace the breadcrumbs today
    Lukey Woodget: we have turky at xmass

    Zon Kwan: is there a common topic ?

    arabella Ella: us too Luckey
    Bruce Mowbray: Turkey, for the fortunate carnivores, . . .
    Aphrodite Macbain: where Lukey?
    Bruce Mowbray sits on hands and listens.
    Lukey Woodget: In England
    Lukey Woodget: We have turky for xmass
    arabella Ella: most of europe
    Bruce Mowbray: No turkeys in England, except in the government.
    Lukey Woodget: we dont have it many other times
    Aphrodite Macbain: turkeys are for many people
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

    Lukey Woodget: its quite a big bird :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Indeed!
    Wol Euler: very few Europeans have an oven big enough to roast a turkey
    Wol Euler: at least not the monsters I remember from my childhood
    Wol Euler: as big as labradors they were.
    arabella Ella: some of us have to have a large enough oven Wol
    Lukey Woodget: my oven can fit one in i must be lucky

    Bruce Mowbray: Many Americans imagine themselves to be Texans --- so have big ovens and bog appetites.
    arabella Ella: for turkey at chreistmas
    Qt Core: and very few european shop carry entire turkey
    Bruce Mowbray: big*
    Eliza Madrigal kinda likes bog appetites...hehe great typo
    arabella Ella: ah Qt your style at christmas is very different
    Bruce Mowbray: HAAAA!
    Lukey Woodget: i got a bog appitite :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Appetites up to their knees in the bog!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm glad Zero lived happily eer after with a person of his own colour...

    arabella Ella: i think turkey at christmas is a british tradition
    Lukey Woodget: yes
    arabella Ella: and plum pudding
    Bruce Mowbray definitely makes a note to watch that YouTube vid.
    Lukey Woodget: beause of the cristmass carrol film
    Aphrodite Macbain: and two babies shaped like infinity
    Aphrodite Macbain: oo
    Bruce Mowbray: That always beats the Dickens out of me!
    Lukey Woodget: pigs in blankets :)
    arabella Ella: eh?
    Aphrodite Macbain: laughs- very British
    Aphrodite Macbain: an english version of the hotdog
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Lukey Woodget: thats sosage with bacon wraped
    Mickorod Renard: i love pigs in blankets
    Bruce Mowbray: me too, Mick!
    Aphrodite Macbain: warm little porkers
    arabella Ella: ah
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Qt
    Aphrodite Macbain: How's Milano?
    Qt Core: hi Aph
    Lukey Woodget: but at xmass i ent up feeling like a pig in blanket
    Qt Core: still here ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol

    Aphrodite Macbain: Wol, thank you for being the token dull person; it takes the responsibility off my shoulders
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Wol Euler: my work here is done.
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)

    What did Scrooge know of Dickens...

    Bruce Mowbray: Aside: DO the characters created by authors know anything of their authors? Does Scrooge know anything of Dickens, for example?

    arabella Ella: mmmmmm
    Bruce Mowbray: sry.
    Wol Euler: hmmmm, intriguing idea
    Aphrodite Macbain: Do we ever really know anything about our makers?
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, it has several implications.
    Lukey Woodget: what is for pudding
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Aph has it.
    Aphrodite Macbain: pumpkin or apple pie
    Aphrodite Macbain: I got pie tooo
    Aphrodite Macbain: what other implications Bruce?
    Mickorod Renard: what are the implications Bruce?
    Lukey Woodget: apple pie with cinemin in it ?
    Eliza Madrigal: fantastic question :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: snap!
    Bruce Mowbray: That the "created" could know of its "Creator"?
    Aphrodite Macbain: or not

    arabella Ella: yes Bruce what if Scrooge knew of Dickens ... and what if he did not?
    Bruce Mowbray: or not know.
    Bruce Mowbray: (snapparooo!)
    arabella Ella smiles
    Zon Kwan: can they be separated
    Eliza Madrigal: right
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are just snapping and cracckling
    Aphrodite Macbain: Good question Zon

    Bruce Mowbray: If the created could know of its creator, then perhaps the created might influence its Creator to create otherwise. . .
    Lukey Woodget: I like the film scrooge with that star trek bloke in it
    Bruce Mowbray: ? Star Trek bloke!?
    Qt Core: Patrick Steward i think
    Wol Euler is partial to the retelling of it with Bill Murray as the antihero
    Aphrodite Macbain: dont know that particular one
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: enjoyed taking the kids to the play a few years ago
    Bruce Mowbray: Captain Petard.
    Lukey Woodget: jhon luke picarde
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Lukey Woodget: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: Petard!!
    Aphrodite Macbain: the great farter
    Lukey Woodget: im dislexic sorry
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh mY!@!!!
    Wol Euler: too much tea does that.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Le grand peteeeeeur


    Wol Euler: you're doing fine, lukey, no worries
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, I';ll bet that it's the tea!
    Bruce Mowbray: (no worries, Lukey . . . ) Bruce drops all worries.

    arabella Ella: Let's all drop all our worries now then!
    Bruce Mowbray: !!

    Lukey Woodget: do americans drink tea
    Bruce Mowbray: Good one, ara!
    Korel Laloix: Yes
    Bruce Mowbray: only when they have to, Lukey.
    Aphrodite Macbain: they drink lots of tea!
    Eliza Madrigal: yes they do !
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    arabella Ella: hot or cold tea?
    Lukey Woodget: I was watching on youtube and it was showing about pine needle tea
    Aphrodite Macbain: both
    arabella Ella: and with milk?
    Aphrodite Macbain: green especially
    Bruce Mowbray recalls "Constant Comment" -- his favorite tea.
    Lukey Woodget: it said it has loads of vit c in it

    Eliza Madrigal: just today I've had three cups of hot tea... with dipping cookies on one occasion
    Aphrodite Macbain: mmm
    Wol Euler: luxury!
    Aphrodite Macbain: home made?
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes with milk... not green tea though
    Eliza Madrigal: alas, no not homemade :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: tea with jasmine- my fave
    Lukey Woodget: I have green tea with milk and honney
    Lukey Woodget: im a bit odd thouth i try all sorts
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.bigelowtea.com/Catalog/Pr...ent%C2%AE.aspx

    Aphrodite Macbain: can you taste the tea?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Lukey?
    Bruce Mowbray: I can only taste the gin -- at the moment.
    Lukey Woodget: oh yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: sighs. Bruce- you will get gout if you don't stop drinking that gin
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, you
    Bruce Mowbray: 're probably right about that.
    Bruce Mowbray: Should shift to the teas, perhaps.
    Aphrodite Macbain: very painful I am told
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Bruce Mowbray: My best friend had the gout -- and then he died.
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe year to drop the gin and fil with tea

    Lukey Woodget: drinking is a hard problem to solve
    Bruce Mowbray: Really?
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods. you need a substitute
    Lukey Woodget: drink makes you feel so good
    Zon Kwan: likes the ending.., two zeros create infinity
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmmm.
    Aphrodite Macbain: me too Zon
    Bruce Mowbray: I wil definitely make a note to watch that vid.

    Eliza Madrigal: promise it is happy at the end???
    Zon Kwan: hehe
    Wol Euler: what was the URL please?
    Aphrodite Macbain: leave it on yr screen till you close out of SL
    Zon Kwan: zero was never defeated
    Lukey Woodget: it a odd thing we all want to find happeyness
    Zon Kwan: as he knew we contained infinity
    Eliza Madrigal smiles

    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOMbySJTKpg
    Wol Euler: ty

    Lukey Woodget: if we was to find perfect happyness we would stand there till we died
    Bruce Mowbray: yw.
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehehe
    Eliza Madrigal: nooo :) I hope that is a myth
    Aphrodite Macbain: we would never be content for long..
    Bruce Mowbray: Or "perfect" ANYthing!
    Eliza Madrigal: perhaps happiness is the most energizing thing
    Bruce Mowbray: Hapiness is energizing, to be sure.
    Zon Kwan: happines is balancing
    Lukey Woodget: no plesure without pain
    Lukey Woodget: as the saying goes
    Zon Kwan: tightropewalk
    Bruce Mowbray: No pain no gain?
    Aphrodite Macbain: hmm sounds like a work out video
    Zon Kwan: diagrees

    Bruce Mowbray: For me it's not so much a matter of "gain" as of depth.
    Eliza Madrigal: we're often willing to endure pain for satisfaction.. sense of having done something well or worthwhile
    Bruce Mowbray listens
    Zon Kwan: no pleasure without pain
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos!
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahoy, Eos!
    arabella Ella: Hiya Eos!
    Wol Euler: hello eos
    Zon Kwan: eos
    Mickorod Renard: ayup Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hey and hi to all!
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles at Eos
    Wol Euler nods to eliza
    Qt Core: hi Eos
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Eos:)

    Eos Amaterasu smiles while decelerating
    Eliza Madrigal: our official topic is :filling up" Eos but we've been talking turkey... and happiness... and two zeros that meet
    Bruce Mowbray: Oooops.. Bue, Aph!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I must run
    Aphrodite Macbain: byee
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, then!
    Eliza Madrigal: okay... be well Aph, nice to see you
    Wol Euler: bye aph, take care

    Lukey Woodget: the years i have had being able to pick what i eat and to sleep in a safe place at night
    arabella Ella: bye Aph
    Eos Amaterasu: talking turkey?
    Lukey Woodget: how lucky am i
    Xirana Oximoxi: I must go to...nice time to all! :-)
    Mickorod Renard: bye aph
    Eliza Madrigal: well, more so pie...
    Mickorod Renard: bye Xir
    Bruce Mowbray: We DID talk turkey earlier, Eos....
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you Xiri :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Xir!
    arabella Ella: bye xirana
    Wol Euler: bye xir

    Lukey Woodget: so does anybody have any ghost stories from there home town
    arabella Ella: not actual ghost stoeries Lukey but there are places which I feel have spirits in them which make my skin feel funny
    Lukey Woodget: yes i have had that to
    Eos Amaterasu hmms
    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art58163.asp
    Eliza Madrigal: the Biltmore Hotel is our hub for such stories :)
    Lukey Woodget: I had a house one time i went into and started having nose bleeds
    Wol Euler smiles.


    Bruce Mowbray continues to listen.
    arabella Ella: i would never go to live in a very old house
    Eos Amaterasu: (where arabella lives, old means really really old)
    Lukey Woodget: I think its the stone
    Qt Core: i think there are more ghost/monster in my computers than in my old if not ancient house ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: ghosts are maybe book characters who can't rest until they know more of their creators, bruce (re your question earlier)...
    Mickorod Renard: there are some that believe that the spirits of the dead will make a route back to their homes from the graveyard
    Lukey Woodget: some stone houses seem to put a pressure on me
    Wol Euler: heheh, nice one eliza
    Bruce Mowbray: So, let's say -- a cornfield that gets harvested every year wo9uld have fewer ghosts than an old house?
    Mickorod Renard: in two spiral routes
    Eos Amaterasu is getting dizzy
    Bruce Mowbray: heh heh!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lukey Woodget: I dream too much in the night
    Eliza Madrigal: on the topic of recognition - something else we touched - I dreamed - last night - that I talked to my first college english professor - someone who had been a bit sharp with me, and he said my writing had matured. I felt 20 years lift... like some place in me couldn't rest until I had his approval
    Lukey Woodget: about ghosts
    arabella Ella: @Brucie depends what happened in the cornfield in the past
    Eos Amaterasu: :-), E
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bruce Mowbray: OH! That is great, Eliza -- 20 years "lift"!
    Zon Kwan: or perhaps you appreoved yourself Eliza..
    Eliza Madrigal: was such a nice dream... but strange, one wouldn't think they were so preoccupied
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Zon, maybe so
    Eos Amaterasu: the professor is within you without you
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    Bruce Mowbray: !
    Eliza Madrigal: ghosts :)
    Zon Kwan: smiles
    Bruce Mowbray ponders authority figures.

    arabella Ella: do you have any good ghost stories Luckey?
    Lukey Woodget: I think we are are own worst enemys
    Eos Amaterasu ponders how we live inside each other
    Bruce Mowbray: and , perhaps, our own best friends?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) nods
    Zon Kwan: reflecting, reflecting, reflecting.,,
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

    Lukey Woodget: yes we have to find are good side
    Lukey Woodget: hehe its like starwars
    Lukey Woodget: maybe this is where good and evil first started
    Zon Kwan: and know our dark side...
    arabella Ella: where?
    Lukey Woodget: in are own selfs
    Wol Euler nods.

    arabella Ella: can there be good without evil or evil without good?

    Eos Amaterasu: we are our own in-Vaders
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Zon Kwan: lol
    Bruce Mowbray wonders where else the good and the evil might have their beginning -- except in ourselves.
    Eliza Madrigal giggling
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe that's part of how Being plays
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Bruce Mowbray: In-Vaders ===== ha ha!
    Eliza Madrigal: in a gaming analogy my son said to me "you blame 'them' or your blame 'you' or you blame the situation (ie computer failure of some sort) - but not blaming didn't seem realistic to him
    Zon Kwan: good to air frustation out
    Zon Kwan: lol
    Eos Amaterasu: there's blaming, and there's recognizing cause and effect (karma)

    Bruce Mowbray: not-blaming is "unrealistic," Eliza?
    arabella Ella: could he not simply say 'it happened' without attributing any blame Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) well I asked if he could see that that was just the design of the game
    Eliza Madrigal: that particular game
    Lukey Woodget: yes zon very good

    Wol Euler: sounds like there is no room for "shit happens" aka emergent properties, in his view?
    Eliza Madrigal: but he sort of looked at me as though I were innocent about the gaming world, lol
    Qt Core: time to go, bye all
    Zon Kwan: shit is good for plants
    Bruce Mowbray ponders alternative universes of gaming worlds.
    Eliza Madrigal: bye qt, nice to see you :)
    Mickorod Renard: thats wierd Wol, i was just thinking of the word shit
    Wol Euler: bye qt, take care
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Qt!
    Mickorod Renard: bye QT
    arabella Ella: ciao Qt buona notte!
    Eos Amaterasu: thinking happens

    Wol Euler: perhaps that is related to the performance aspect of gaming? you need to know what happened, and who made it happen, to know how to better next time

    Bruce Mowbray tries to get his mind out of the colon.
    Eliza Madrigal: such a good point Ara
    Mickorod Renard: I missed that, what did Ara say?
    Eos Amaterasu: what is the extra that blame piles on top of cause and effect?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Wol! it was wol...hehe...
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry wol and thank you, such a good point :)
    Bruce Mowbray: [13:54] arabella Ella: could he not simply say 'it happened' without attributing any blame Eliza?
    Wol Euler: we do look alike :)
    arabella Ella: i thought you meant wol
    arabella Ella: ?me smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: ah, emergent shit
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: wel it sort of went together

    Wol Euler: if (whatever happened) was truly random, then there is no way to prepare for it and no chance to improve your playing. In gaming terms, that is a bad experience
    Bruce Mowbray: How about in life terms, Wol?
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    arabella Ella: very interesting perspective Wol indeed
    Wol Euler: well, life isn't that closely regulated :)
    Eos Amaterasu: chaordic


    Wol Euler: games are about rules, and most rules exist to let players improve
    Bruce Mowbray scurries to get tea.
    Zon Kwan: waves
    Mickorod Renard: i thought rules are for breaking
    arabella Ella: i must go get some sleep good night everyone!

    arabella Ella: dont forget to break some rules after all it is thanksgiving!
    Wol Euler: bye ara, bye mick, take care
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I am off home,,see you soon...bless you all
    Eliza Madrigal: :))) bye Ara, Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: wish you well

    Eos Amaterasu: must go make fire, food, and other dangerous things...
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, everyone who is leaving!
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    Eliza Madrigal: :) breaking rules and making fires...
    Eos Amaterasu: bye, happy thanksgiving
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Eos :) be careful out there/in there
    Eos Amaterasu: & remember: "gratitude is heaven itself" - Blake
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Bruce Mowbray agrees with Blake on that one -- about gratitude.
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm
    Bruce Mowbray: Gratitude and forgiveness.
    Bruce Mowbray: Two sides of the "heaven" coin.
    Wol Euler: hehe, just noticed "fire, food, and other dangerous things"
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, fire can be dangerous -- post-Prometheus.
    Wol Euler: but food?

    Bruce Mowbray: Food -- NOT dangerous!
    Wol Euler: depends how you use it, I guess
    Bruce Mowbray: Yum Yum!
    Eliza Madrigal: depends on your drug..er, food of choice
    Bruce Mowbray: True of everything, no?
    Wol Euler: perhaps :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Too much sunshine....?
    Bruce Mowbray: Too much rain . .. ?
    Wol Euler: in the long term, anything can be deadly ...
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.

    Bruce Mowbray: and in the LONGGGGGG term, everything IS deadly!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: also true :)
    Wol Euler: the mortality rate of being alive is 100%
    Bruce Mowbray: You have it right, Wol!
    Bruce Mowbray: Let us then be up and doing, with a heart for any fate!
    Bruce Mowbray: Still achieving, still pursuing,
    Bruce Mowbray: learn to labor and to wait!
    Eliza Madrigal: or let us be doing without doing before it is too late....
    Bruce Mowbray: (Longfellow)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Wol Euler: nice
    Eliza Madrigal: (sorry for the interruption Longfellow) :D

    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, by not doing, everything gets done.
    Bruce Mowbray: I'll go with that!

    Lukey Woodget: it is hard for people to work together
    Bruce Mowbray listens to Lukey.
    Eliza Madrigal: it is - why is that?
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, why?
    Lukey Woodget: its natures way of breaking us apart
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
    Bruce Mowbray: Competition?
    Eliza Madrigal: sending us back to the soil?
    Bruce Mowbray: Survival of the fittest?
    Lukey Woodget: we are only a small part of the goal of nature

    Wol Euler: In my experience working together is easy IF all parties agree on who is the boss
    Lukey Woodget: and we will be devided
    Wol Euler: if two want to be boss, there will be trouble
    Lukey Woodget: there should be no boss
    Wol Euler: well, let'
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps solitude is the best policy.
    Wol Euler: let's say "they have to agree on who gives the direction"
    Eliza Madrigal: then it is always push n pull?
    Lukey Woodget: nature divides and concers us

    Wol Euler: because if you row towards the left bank and I towards the right, we will only get wet
    Bruce Mowbray: Sometimes having a dictator to tell me what to do would seem like a blessing.
    Eliza Madrigal: benevolent dictator :)
    Bruce Mowbray: It would overcome the pulls within myself.
    Bruce Mowbray: Tearing myself apart.

    Lukey Woodget: yes but a blessing becuse you cant sit and make the best desisions in a groupe
    Bruce Mowbray recalls Erich Fromm's "Flight From Freedom"

    Or unties..

    Eliza Madrigal: or something/someone that unites the pulls.. isn't that the notion behind nonduality? Tao?
    Bruce Mowbray: Does any group actually make a decision, Lukey?
    Eliza Madrigal: where the pulls "didn't bite each other" like Pema says sometimes

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    Wol Euler: hello zen
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Or is it merely a consensus?
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen!
    Lukey Woodget: hi zen
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Wol Euler: is a consensus that is acted upon different from a decision?
    Bruce Mowbray: In the Quaker group I am a part of in RL, we arrive at decisions through "consensus."


    Bruce Mowbray: But we all also realize that this is a formality -- a sort orf fiction that we all agree upon.
    Eliza Madrigal: is it usually one or two people who lead the direction of that consensus, Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: It is usually one person who leads. . . . in the Quaker group. . . .
    Bruce Mowbray: But, does that matter?

    Lukey Woodget: you dont need a leader
    Bruce Mowbray: There is no leader, actually.
    Eliza Madrigal: just wondering if there is always leadership even in groups that think there is no leader...
    Lukey Woodget: if everybody is working toward the same thing
    Bruce Mowbray: I do not feel that there is a leader.
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, working toward the same goals.

    Wol Euler remembers Terry Pratchett "Everybody knew that the witches had no leader; but everybody knew that Granny Weatherwax was the leader they didn't have"
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: yeah....
    Wol Euler: that's often how it works :)
    Bruce Mowbray: AHHHH! So much looking forward to reading more of Terry Pratchett.
    Zen Arado: eyh agree
    Eliza Madrigal: in groups there are some who articulate vision ...perhaps as a talent...
    Lukey Woodget: I loved Death
    Bruce Mowbray: "Wee Free Men"
    Wol Euler: yes, he's a great character

    Bruce Mowbray wonders about those who do not feel "entitled" to express their vision.

    (perhaps they forgot to look at their tag?)

    Lukey Woodget: all I am saying is we are devided
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeppers, it is so, Lukey.
    Lukey Woodget: its nature its something
    Bruce Mowbray: In various ways, actually.
    Lukey Woodget: whatever it is
    Lukey Woodget: we are devided
    Eliza Madrigal: united by our divisions
    Bruce Mowbray: But we are also united.\
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Eliza!

    Bruce Mowbray: Alas! Tis time for moi to attend to dinner.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Lukey Woodget: we have things in common
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you all!
    Eliza Madrigal: nice to see you Bruce
    Wol Euler: bon appetit bruce, take care
    Eliza Madrigal: Happy Thanksgiving to you and Bear
    Zen Arado: bye Bruce
    Wol Euler: good old Bear :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Bless you each and all with happiness this Thanksgiving Day!
    Zen Arado: turkey uneaten yet?
    Wol Euler: he probably practices thankfulness all the time :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lukey Woodget: he is off for a drink
    Lukey Woodget: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehhe.... he just had one ^.^
    Eliza Madrigal: I could never drink and be so lucid as bruce...haha
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, he does practice Thankgivingness all the time -- When he is conscious.
    Wol Euler: even better!
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: and he also goes for a drink, when he wishes!
    Bruce Mowbray: BYE!
    Zen Arado: good way to be
    Eliza Madrigal: bye friend

    Eliza Madrigal: I should go too... thanks for the warm, funny, sparky company this thanksgiving day
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
    Zen Arado: sorry I missed it
    Zen Arado: bye Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: yes where were you Zen? :)
    Wol Euler: I know many people are thankful for you :)
    Zen Arado: I was watching a TV prog about statistics
    Eliza Madrigal: that's kind to say Wol
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe the book is thankful to be read :)

    Lukey Woodget: watch that film
    Eliza Madrigal: lol Zen... well.... not sure what to answer about that
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Wol Euler: the reader helps the book achieve bookness

    Eliza Madrigal: ah... you know... let me linger here and watch that now
    Zen Arado: a Swediah guy
    Zen Arado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo
    Eliza Madrigal: before I leave the computer :)
    Zen Arado: fascinating
    Lukey Woodget: it is a good film
    Zen Arado: I think it is a repeat
    Wol Euler: oh yes, love Rosling. He has several TED talks on interpreting statistics, visualizations
    Zen Arado: was on BBC 4
    Zen Arado: yes

    Zen Arado: Google was on it
    Zen Arado: the way they use stats
    Zen Arado: even for language translation
    Zen Arado: and will integrate with voice recognition
    Zen Arado: just stats and patterns
    Zen Arado: correlationships
    Zen Arado: amazing


    Wol Euler: thanks zen, that was fun
    Zen Arado: amazing what we can learn from data
    Wol Euler: I would say we can learn from information made out of data :)
    Wol Euler: spreadsheets of pure numbers are harder to learn from
    Wol Euler: though it can still be done, of course
    Zen Arado: yes it's the analysis methods isn't it?
    Wol Euler nods.

    Zen Arado: wonder if there is a spiritual connection?
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
    Wol Euler: how do you mean?
    Zen Arado: not sure
    Zen Arado: there was a section at the end where a guy analyses people emotions

    Eliza Madrigal: omgoodness... this video.... :::melts:::::

    Eliza Madrigal: will peek at statistics one too in a bit
    Wol Euler: are you watching "zero"?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Zen Arado: from what they say on the web about how they feel
    Wol Euler: okay, that's up next for me :)

    Eliza Madrigal: finished just now.. sorry , lukey poofed then?
    Wol Euler: oh, I didn't notice, I guess so
    Eliza Madrigal: :::sends IM of thanks::::

    Eliza Madrigal: zen analyses emotions statistically?
    Zen Arado: no..a guy in the program does
    Eliza Madrigal: ah :)
    Wol Euler: hmmmm
    Zen Arado: just when they say how they feel on FB and other places
    Wol Euler: ah
    Eliza Madrigal: ooh yes... tweet analysis is really fascinating
    Wol Euler: "I feel xxx" ?
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: or xxxx
    Wol Euler: yes, I saw that. fascinating. a kind of zeitgeist
    Zen Arado: or like xxxx

    Wol Euler: "the internet feels sad today"

    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: sort of amazing way of thinking as a globe
    Eliza Madrigal: if it comes to that
    Wol Euler nods.
    Zen Arado: men feel better than women but are more lonely
    Eliza Madrigal: Jeff Bezos said last week that he thinks the internet is in day 1
    Wol Euler: which perhaps only means that women express their feelings better :)
    Eliza Madrigal: not sure Wol :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: of course :)

    Eliza Madrigal thinks of all the people gathered around tense tables today
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe an interesting tweet search
    Eliza Madrigal: anyway... better go :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: bye and nice to see y'all
    Zen Arado: kk byee Eliza
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, enjoy the day
    Korel Laloix: Ciao

    Wol Euler: I should go too, I'm tired and I have to be up early tomorrow
    Wol Euler: thanks for a great session
    Wol Euler: happy thanksgiving, korel
    Wol Euler: bye zen
    Zen Arado: yes Kori
    Korel Laloix: Take care.
    Wol Euler waves.
    Zen Arado: tc and byee

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