2012.11.25 13:00 - Baroque Blessings

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray, subbing for Aphrodite. 

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    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Korel Laloix: Sorry, was AFK>
    Bruce Mowbray: I was afk also.
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hiya, Wester!
    Korel Laloix: Heya.
    Wester Kiranov: hi bruce, korel
    Korel Laloix smiles


    Korel Laloix: I showed Reeba that Galileo Project video site.

    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah!? What did she think of it?

    Korel Laloix: She loved it....
     Korel Laloix: Did not know, but she had played the cello when she was younger.
    Bruce Mowbray: Great!
    Bruce Mowbray: Beautiful music....
    Korel Laloix: So.... she said she is going to educate me.... lol
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: The whole Baroque Period is beautiful, I think (or FEEL, rather).
    Korel Laloix: Just really does not move me.
    Korel Laloix: But maybe I just have not listened to the right stuff in the right mood at the right volume.
    Bruce Mowbray: Music, architecture. . . It is a bit ornate . . . and overly so, sometimes.
    Korel Laloix: I did see some what they called Baroque architecture when I was in Germany.
    Korel Laloix: Not sure what that actually means though.
    Bruce Mowbray: Did you see Mad King Ludwig's castle?
    Bruce Mowbray: That's baroque with a vengeance.  ha ha!
    Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=Baroque+architecture&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=yL5&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vYeyUM_mJbGxigKdkoCQCw&ved=0CDsQsAQ&biw=750&bih=712
    Korel Laloix: No, but we were in that area.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hiya, Lukey.
    Lukey Woodget: hello all
    Wester Kiranov: hi lukey
    Korel Laloix: But went here...  http://www.wieskirche.de/eframset.htm
    Korel Laloix: Was a very moving place.
    Korel Laloix: And like nothing I had seen before.
    Bruce Mowbray: Looks to be "high" Baroque -- also known as roccoco
    Korel Laloix: They mentioned that word.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh, now I see "roccoco" in the text, sry.
    Lukey Woodget: makes me sick how the other half live hehe
    Korel Laloix: I was a bit overwhelmed at that moment to really pay attention.
    Bruce Mowbray: The roccoco art form is a bit overwhelming all by itself! ;-)
    Korel Laloix: A magnificent work of art in every way... even if it not to my tastes.
    Lukey Woodget: i love gothic
    Lukey Woodget: dark and cold and windy
    Bruce Mowbray: It is as if the artists were exerting every possible effort to cover every inch with beauty.
    Korel Laloix: I am a "more-is-less" sorta girl.
    Bruce Mowbray: Gothic much more common in America than Baroque, actually.
    Korel Laloix: I found it easy to be overwhelmed in there...
    Bruce Mowbray: "High" Gothic can get quite ornate, though.
    Korel Laloix: Sort of got in the way of the relationship for me.
    Bruce Mowbray: That is quite similar to the tradition I identify with [more] in Christianity: I prefer it plain and simple.
    Bruce Mowbray: Shakers, Quakers, the simpler Protestantism. . . (little ornamentation in worship places....) -- although I really love the art - AS art - when it's beautifully done (in Baroque and Gothic, both).
    Lukey Woodget: I suppose most of the wealth has been taken by religion and they have had the biggest hand in architecture
    Korel Laloix: The churches in my denomination tend to be small, shabby rented spaces or old churches in bad places.
    Korel Laloix: But we do make them feel like good places to connect.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, and also in mine, Kori. In fact, our Quaker group meets (as we did this afternoon) in a beauty shop. . . for which we pay $75 a month.
    Korel Laloix: Nice.... smiles


    Korel Laloix: I go with my grandma to her Southern Baptist most Sundays... that is a bit different... but it is a good group of people.
    Bruce Mowbray: We trade turns for whoever gets to sit in the main cosmetology chair.
    Korel Laloix: Heya S a n
    Santoshima Resident: hello everyone
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, San (we're dropping at the moment). . .
    Lukey Woodget: hi san
    Wester Kiranov: hi san
    Santoshima Resident: what are you dropping, Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahh. ponders: "What AM I dropping. . . ?"
    Bruce Mowbray: Alas, San has flown.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, what about "Hindsight"?
    Santoshima Resident: { pressed the wrong button }
    Bruce Mowbray: There she is again!
    Bruce Mowbray: WB, San!
    Lukey Woodget: I will be away for 30 minutes
    Bruce Mowbray: My camera was on you, San, and it followed you to your treehouse (!!)
    Santoshima Resident: yes, i saw that
    Santoshima Resident: how was the trip?
    Bruce Mowbray: I didn't realize that a camera could do that!
    Santoshima Resident: i know, it's very fun
    Bruce Mowbray: Wheeee!
    Santoshima Resident: need to catch people as they are leaving though
    Santoshima Resident: and they need to stay in the sim
    Bruce Mowbray: kk, Lukey. See you when you return, Lukey.
    Santoshima Resident: bye Lukey
    Bruce Mowbray: kk, so it's a matter of being in the same sim. . .
    Santoshima Resident: i believe so
    Santoshima Resident: i followed Aph on the train once
    Santoshima Resident: unintentionally
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh, I've done that too!
    Santoshima Resident: and ended with some great graphics of her floating in a deep blue sky
    Bruce Mowbray: It's a trip - in more ways than one!
    Santoshima Resident: great photo ops
    Santoshima Resident: yeah a trip
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Santoshima Resident: images i couldn't have predicted
    Santoshima Resident: mainly in don't understand the visuals in sl
    Santoshima Resident: you are talking about ______?
    Bruce Mowbray: You don't understand the visuals. . . ?
    Santoshima Resident: the ... what shall we call it?
    Santoshima Resident: the visual interface?
    Santoshima Resident: the 3d grid of how things appear in this game environment
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you mean in general in SL, or just in PaB?
    Santoshima Resident: this place provides a map
    Santoshima Resident: and shapes thought
    Santoshima Resident: it's got a built in language
    Santoshima Resident: visually conveyed, yes?
    Santoshima Resident: like video games
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, I guess it does, yes.
    Santoshima Resident: as though one is moving through space
    Bruce Mowbray: Definitely like that, yes.
    Santoshima Resident: it affects us in the same way (if sighted)
    Santoshima Resident: so important to choose wisely
    Santoshima Resident: what is seen
    Santoshima Resident: and how images are presented
    Santoshima Resident: is my thought
    Santoshima Resident: the topic is ___- ? what this week?
    Santoshima Resident: i must have interrupted
    Bruce Mowbray: "Hindsight"
    Santoshima Resident: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: We had not yet started to talk about it, though.
    Santoshima Resident: let's begin?
    Bruce Mowbray: This - more than any other week of the year -- is one when I tend to indulge in hindsight.
    Bruce Mowbray: It is the anniversary week of several major events.
    Bruce Mowbray: (both "good" and "bad").
    Santoshima Resident: for yourself personally?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, and for those close to me.
    Santoshima Resident: i see
    Bruce Mowbray: Today would have been my brother's 72nd birthday.
    Bruce Mowbray: (He died in August).
    Santoshima Resident: oh, yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Yesterday was the anniversary of my father's death.
    Bruce Mowbray: (He died when I was 19.)
    Santoshima Resident: ah, your thoughts are with them both
    Bruce Mowbray: Also, the anniversary of the first date with the woman I married....
    Bruce Mowbray: and of our wedding anniversary....
    Bruce Mowbray: and of JFK's assassination. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: and more.
    Bruce Mowbray: So "hindsight" can be emotionally a roller coaster - if I let it be.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hiya, Zon
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Wester Kiranov: hi zon
    Santoshima Resident: hello Zon :)
    Zon Kwan: heya
    Wester Kiranov: maybe you should find a different place to sit :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: We've just begun to talk about 'hindsight,' Zon.
    Zon Kwan: what is it
    Bruce Mowbray: For me, it is looking back on past events.
    Santoshima Resident: this must be an intense time of year for you ~
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it can be intense. . . .
    Bruce Mowbray: but it is also intense for others - because of the holidays.
    Zon Kwan: remembering ?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Zon . . . and reflecting.


    Santoshima Resident: reflects an "understanding" of a situation after an event (says my dictionary) ~ it's not just reflecting nor just remembering, it seems
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh. . . . so an "understanding" that comes with the passage of time (and experience) between the original event and the present?
    Zon Kwan: working on it
    Zon Kwan: waves
    Santoshima Resident: leaving?
    Santoshima Resident: bye zon
    Bruce Mowbray waves back at Zon.
    Bruce Mowbray: bye Zon.
    Bruce Mowbray: That time my camera didn't follow . .
    Santoshima Resident: he went offline, maybe?
    Santoshima Resident: or off-sim
    Bruce Mowbray: I guess so.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, is hindsight more to be trusted than now-sight?
    Santoshima Resident: hmmm
    Bruce Mowbray: Or is there even such a thing as now-sight?
    Bruce Mowbray: Don't we always see the present in terms of past experience?
    Santoshima Resident: insight?
    Wester Kiranov: if there is any sight, it is now
    Korel Laloix: Looking back you typically have more developed context.
    Santoshima Resident: true, Wester
    Korel Laloix: So not better judgement, just better information.
    Santoshima Resident: and yes, to Korel
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Kori. . . that's why I always read a really good book at least twice -- same with really good movies.... for the context and better understanding.
    Wester Kiranov: in hindsight your story about what happened is more developed
    Bruce Mowbray: More "developed" might also mean more inter-woven with interpretations, biases, judgments....
    Wester Kiranov: it might, yes
    Bruce Mowbray: I have been digging out things from my Journals -- for my niece....
    Bruce Mowbray: and I have been really amazed to read things from long ago...
    Bruce Mowbray: and to discover how radically my own thinking has changed about these things.
    Bruce Mowbray: Not my opinions, so much,
    Bruce Mowbray: but the memories themselves...
    Bruce Mowbray: I "remember" them differently from how they actually happened.
    Santoshima Resident: right, so interesting
    Bruce Mowbray: I trust the Journal entries more than my memories.
    Lukey Woodget: back
    Korel Laloix: I journal as well... for that same reason, I guess.
    Bruce Mowbray: But I live day-by-day with those memories!
    Wester Kiranov: but they are from memories too - just more recent ones
    Korel Laloix: Something one of my shrinks wanted me to start doing a while ago.
    Lukey Woodget: its hard work getting chocolate and beer
    Korel Laloix: Interesting to read back for sure.
    Santoshima Resident: wb Lukey
    Bruce Mowbray: There's no question that my journals (kept since 1963) are the most valuable thing I own.
    Bruce Mowbray: wb Lukey!
    Lukey Woodget: do you keep journals?
    Bruce Mowbray: I can hardly believe or understand how I survived some of that stuff.
    Wester Kiranov: memory is a pretty weird thing
    Korel Laloix: I do.
    Bruce Mowbray: It is weird indeed, Wester.
    Lukey Woodget: is that every day
    Bruce Mowbray: Not every day for me.... (writing in the Journals)
    Korel Laloix: A couple of times a day for me.
    Korel Laloix: Not always though.
    Wester Kiranov: I lost two days of my memory this year, and it seems like I didn't exist those days
    Bruce Mowbray: My "journals," for the past fifteen years or so, are 99% letters that I write to a prison inmate friend.
    Bruce Mowbray: I tell him everything - absolutely everything that is of importance in my life.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, these become a sort of journal...
    Lukey Woodget: why do you tell him everything?
    Bruce Mowbray: That is rough, Wester, losing two days of your memory....
    Santoshima Resident: yes
    Korel Laloix: Mine is a bit more straightforward..... just write down things one ruled paper in a notebook.. and take them out and scan them in from time to time.
    Wester Kiranov: pretty glad I didn't lose much more than that
    Santoshima Resident: indeed :)
    Lukey Woodget: why did that happen?
    Bruce Mowbray: I tell Mike everything because he tells me everything . . and we are close friends and have been for about thirty years.
    Wester Kiranov: why i lost my memory? I had meningitis
    Lukey Woodget: ouch
    Lukey Woodget: did you get through ok?
    Bruce Mowbray: I do hope you're continuing to get better, though, Wester. . .
    Wester Kiranov: pretty ok
    Korel Laloix: That is a rough disease to have, for sure...
    Korel Laloix: Can be deadly, and if not, long lasting effects.
    Lukey Woodget: your lucky to be alive
    Wester Kiranov: very true
    Wester Kiranov: i'm very lucky my husband got me to the doctor in time
    Lukey Woodget: did he know what it was
    Wester Kiranov: the doctor suspected enough to get me to the hospital straightaway


    Lukey Woodget: you must count your blessings
    Wester Kiranov: i lose count if I do :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Lukey Woodget: :)
    Santoshima Resident: :))
    Korel Laloix: And once you are done counting, be a blessing to someone else.
    Wester Kiranov: ahhhh
    Santoshima Resident: lovely
    Lukey Woodget: we all are lucky
    Lukey Woodget: to even be here
    Santoshima Resident: do we conclude this in hindsight?
    Wester Kiranov: :-)
    Santoshima Resident: yes!
    Santoshima Resident: imho
    Santoshima Resident: hallo Wol :)
    Wester Kiranov: hi wol
    Wol Euler: evening all
    Lukey Woodget: I have had a lot of close shaves with death
    Bruce Mowbray: I have been an insomniac since childhood. . . but I gradually learned that the most sure-fire way of falling to sleep was to allow images of persons to come into my awareness, and then to bless every one of them. . .
    Bruce Mowbray: and the next thing I knew it was morning.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Wol!
    Wester Kiranov: that's lovely Bruce
    Santoshima Resident: great, Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, it also WORKS!
    Korel Laloix: I will certainly give that a try.
    Bruce Mowbray: Important to bless everyone -- without exception....
    Korel Laloix: More meaningful than counting sheep for sure.
    Wester Kiranov: blessing sheep...
    Bruce Mowbray: I use this blessing: "May you be happy. May you know the causes of your happiness. May you be at peace with yourself and with the world."
    Bruce Mowbray: Same blessing, regardless of whose image comes to mind.
    Bruce Mowbray: (with even so-called antagonists).
    Bruce Mowbray: [Ten minutes to Bertram's meditation. . . If you'd like an LM, please let me know....]
    Santoshima Resident: ok, please
    Santoshima Resident: hello Zen :)
    Korel Laloix: Same time as my denomination's church service in SL, if you want a LM please let me know... smiles
    Lukey Woodget: words are weak I want to see the money baby
    Lukey Woodget: hehe
    Bruce Mowbray: OH! I would LOVE one, Kori!
    Wester Kiranov: hi zen
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zen.
    Santoshima Resident: ok, please send Korel
    Zen Arado: all denominations? 
    Zen Arado: sorry for interrupting the conversation stream
    Korel Laloix: No worries.
    Santoshima Resident: not at all, Zen ~ you didn't interrupt
    Korel Laloix: Just about to take off.
    Bruce Mowbray: No problem, Zen.
    Bruce Mowbray: Five minutes countdown -
    Bruce Mowbray: for Kori's church service and for Bertram's meditation.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bruce Mowbray: Please let either/both of us know if you'd like an LM.
    Korel Laloix: One of the things I do love about SL is all the variety of services here.. many different denominations.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes. me too, Kori. (It gives me hope!)
    Zen Arado: you'd need thousands
    Zen Arado: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Korel Laloix: Coptic, Messianic Jewish, Baptist, 7th Day, Anglican, Russian, Greek, MCC, Lutheran, etc.
    Zen Arado: even in Presbyterianism so many different types
    Zen Arado: big argument in the UK over women bishops
    Santoshima Resident: the women bishops are arguing?
    Korel Laloix: Thinking of a silly movie where there is a long list of types of criminals and then the guy ends with...... "and Methodists!"
    Zen Arado: the Cof E just voted against it
    Korel Laloix: Anyone know that movie?
    Zen Arado: no they won't allow them
    Santoshima Resident: i know, just some levity
    Zen Arado: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Thank you each and all for coming to Aphrodite's session today. I must be moving along now.
    Bruce Mowbray: Do have a safe and happy week!
    Zen Arado: gotta hit the road
    Santoshima Resident: ditto, thanks Bruce, peace and love everyone
    Santoshima Resident: peace
    Santoshima Resident: bye!!
    Wester Kiranov: i'm sneaking out too
    Wol Euler: yes, time for Bertram
    Wol Euler: goodnight all, take care


    Wester Kiranov: bye all
    Korel Laloix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km7WD8wkb1c
    Zen Arado: byee all
    Korel Laloix: Blazing Saddles.
    Korel Laloix: Ciao

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