2012.11.29 19:00 – Hindsight - A Blurry Rear View Image ?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Paradise Tennant.  Paticipants included  stevenaia,  Hana,  Aubergine, Lucinida, and Santoshima

    Paradise Tennant: hiya stev :) nice to see you :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya hana :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Hana, Para
    Paradise Tennant: so nice to see you too been a while :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: how are you?
    Hana Furlough: Hi Steve and Para!
    Hana Furlough: Nice to see you both!
    Paradise Tennant: smiles :))
    Paradise Tennant: do we have a topic :)) or shall we meander :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: other than Hindsight (topic of the week), no
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Aubergine
    Aubergine Mint: hi
    Hana Furlough: Hi Aubergine
    Hana Furlough: hindsight...wow
    stevenaia Michinaga: have a seat
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya aubergine :))
    Aubergine Mint: hi :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before, Aubergine
    Aubergine Mint: I have, but not for a while
    stevenaia Michinaga: :), welcome back
    Aubergine Mint: thank you :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles always nice to see someone come back :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: what brought you back this evening?
    Aubergine Mint: I don't think I remember you, have you been here long?
    Aubergine Mint: looking up my old LM's :)
    Aubergine Mint: so many things gone
    stevenaia Michinaga: ....looks at watch... about 4 years
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi San
    Hana Furlough: haha nice
    Hana Furlough: Hi San
    Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya san
    Paradise Tennant: four years goes quick
    Santoshima Resident: very laggy
    Santoshima Resident: hello
    Aubergine Mint: hello san
    Santoshima Resident: hello, gtmy
    stevenaia Michinaga: we were talking about the lessons learned from hindsight yesterday, a nice tool for reflection
    Hana Furlough: yes?
    stevenaia Michinaga: not a way to change the past, but to let the past affect the future
    Paradise Tennant: smiles sort of a meshing .. of understanding then and now ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: hindsight is a time machine
    Aubergine Mint: if we knew then what we know now?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hindsight is now, gathering the past to restructure the future
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Paradise Tennant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, that’s seems to be something different
    stevenaia Michinaga: or.. something else
    Paradise Tennant: yes ..
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was surprised there wasn’t a wiki page on just hindsight, perhaps it’s nothing more than a critical look at your past
    stevenaia Michinaga: or it’s alternatives
    Santoshima Resident: *
    Santoshima Resident: hindsight |ˈhīn(d)ˌsīt| noun understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed : with hindsight, I should never have gone.
    Hana Furlough: it seems like hindsight and its bias often tends to view the past as having to be the potential to be somehow different
    stevenaia Michinaga: I like that, the past's potential
    Santoshima Resident: a word that account for a shift in understanding based on experience
    Hana Furlough: some king of should
    Santoshima Resident: s
    Hana Furlough: *kind
    Hana Furlough: "in hindsight, I should have..."
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, a critical assessment of your own past judgement, presumably for the better
    Aubergine Mint: the past understood with a mind in the present
    Hana Furlough: right
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.notable-quotes.com/h/hindsight_quotes.html
    Paradise Tennant: The most fertile source of insight is hindsight. MORRIS KLINE, Mathematics: The Loss of Certainty
    Hana Furlough: I feel like that doesn't quite capture it for me
    Paradise Tennant: how does it feel or seem to you hana when you experience hindsight ?
    Hana Furlough: I feel like insight comes from a settled place, with some distance, and that it can be very messy to get there
    Hana Furlough: but it needs to be messy
    Hana Furlough: and without the should's that i fear often accompany hindsight
    Santoshima Resident: the "shoulds" are from the default dictionary on this computer
    Hana Furlough: maybe not necessarily messy, but very present and very real, accepting
    Aubergine Mint: is hindsight always a negative?
    Hana Furlough: a good question
    Santoshima Resident: why fear hindsight?
    Hana Furlough: not fear, but it can be a trap
    Santoshima Resident: implies a memory
    Hana Furlough: a move to control
    Hana Furlough: to domesticate the past
    Paradise Tennant: like that term very well .. " to domesticate the past "
    Hana Furlough: thanks : )
    Paradise Tennant: funny you know I often think we are as unclear on what happened as on what is happening and what may happen :) our memory does fog
    Hana Furlough: oh yeah, it completely changes things
    Paradise Tennant: we always remember from a subjective just one subjective point
    Paradise Tennant: our own
    Santoshima Resident: of course
    stevenaia Michinaga: they can send you the link as soon as they claim it so you have it if they leave
    stevenaia Michinaga: oops, wrong window
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Hana Furlough: : )
    Paradise Tennant: would it not be lovely to have an opportunity where you get to understand how everyone is seeing and experiencing an event ...
    Santoshima Resident: that would be overwhelming
    Aubergine Mint: totally
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Hana Furlough: there's a good opportunity for insight!
    Paradise Tennant: hmm think it would be kind of thrilling too
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have enough trouble understanding my perspective sometimes
    Santoshima Resident: ditto
    Hana Furlough: can you say more about that?
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Luci
    Santoshima Resident: no
    Santoshima Resident: :)
    Santoshima Resident: hi Luci
    Lucinda Lavender: hi all
    Hana Furlough: Hi Luci!
    Aubergine Mint: hi Lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: here thru the iPad
    Lucinda Lavender: so, limited
    Aubergine Mint: wow didn't know you could do that
    Santoshima Resident: text only, Luci?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: text only for me to see....you can place me on a pillow if that works.
    Paradise Tennant: you are on one luci :)) kind of a floaty red cloud :)
    Santoshima Resident: I only see you hair, Luci
    Lucinda Lavender: do not want to interrupt the hindsight discussion
    Santoshima Resident: it looks good btw
    stevenaia Michinaga: rarely is hindsight used to to say, If I only did things another way it would have been a disaster
    Hana Furlough: you're levitating
    Hana Furlough: how true, steve!
    Lucinda Lavender: so true steve
    Santoshima Resident: oh, yes, Stevenaia ~ have appreciated in hindsight some events that I thought were completely wrong at the time
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks,San:)
    Hana Furlough: for sure
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems more of a correction of a "bad play"
    Santoshima Resident: hmm
    Lucinda Lavender: when looking at the scene of the past with eyes of compassion
    stevenaia Michinaga: or regret
    Hana Furlough: yeah
    Lucinda Lavender: saying to self....so sorry for the pain of that moment...
    Hana Furlough: I wonder if we can imagine now with hindsight, if that's useful
    Hana Furlough: nice, luci : )
    stevenaia Michinaga: let's try it for the next 90 second bell
    stevenaia Michinaga: pick a moment
    Hana Furlough: that was good. I feel like I have things in perspective
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmm, had a strange event this morning.. looking back I couldn’t have handled it any better... says hindsight
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Santoshima Resident: *
    Hana Furlough: : )
    Lucinda Lavender: nodding...
    Paradise Tennant: listens
    stevenaia Michinaga: I lost my car keys in a bag I gave to someone, when they arrived at their destination 10 miles away, the keys appeared to have been on the floor, no knowing whose they were, they left them there, returned to find me asking if they have seem my keys... yes, they are in the next town 10 miles away
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting
    stevenaia Michinaga: so we got in her car and picked them up, no blame, just amusing conversation
    stevenaia Michinaga: no idea when I even went
    Aubergine Mint: not so bad in hindsight then?
    stevenaia Michinaga: not at all, I picked the wrong event, I suppose
    Hana Furlough: (sneaks out to get back to work -- thanks all!)
    stevenaia Michinaga: but we could have blown up with accusations
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Santoshima Resident: bye Hana
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks to you Hana
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems like the thing to do
    Paradise Tennant: take care hana enjoy your day :)
    Aubergine Mint: bye
    Santoshima Resident: bye Aubergine
    Paradise Tennant: smiles take care aubergine
    Lucinda Lavender: will go too.. good night... I will be here as the morning comes:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Luci
    Santoshima Resident: good night Luci
    Lucinda Lavender: night and sweet dreams all
    Santoshima Resident: and me, thanks Stevenaia and Paradise ~
    stevenaia Michinaga: not at all  night San
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite
    Paradise Tennant: luci san
    stevenaia Michinaga: night
    Santoshima Resident: :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: happy your keys came home :)
    Paradise Tennant: how is fubu?
    stevenaia Michinaga: in my arms between me and the computer
    stevenaia Michinaga: paw and head on left arm tonight
    stevenaia Michinaga: so I can type
    Paradise Tennant: ahh nice
    Paradise Tennant: hindsight was a more interesting topic than I realized
    stevenaia Michinaga: I wasn’t sure what Eliza was saying in her email today, RE hindsight, let me look
    stevenaia Michinaga: Topics. "Filling up" was quite fruitful with such interesting topics and sessions, while hindsight, in hindsight (har har), maybe not so much.
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps just a bad play on words
    Paradise Tennant: smiles

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