2012.11.30 19:00 - reading old notes, kenosis

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    The Guardian for this meeting was druth Vlodovic. The comments are by druth Vlodovic.

    Catrinamonblue Resident: hello
    Catrinamonblue Resident: what are we talking about?
    druth Vlodovic: hi cat
    Catrinamonblue Resident: topic?
    druth Vlodovic: I don't think we have one
    Catrinamonblue Resident: hindsight
    druth Vlodovic: or filling up, we can recycle :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: so what does hindsight say to you
    druth Vlodovic: "watch where you're going"
    Catrinamonblue Resident: not look where you have been?
    druth Vlodovic: is it useful to see where you've been?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: sometimes i think
    Catrinamonblue Resident: so as not to repeat mistakes
    Catrinamonblue Resident: hopefully
    druth Vlodovic: or to remember joys
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes those are very important
    stevenaia Michinaga: snow?
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Druth, CAt
    druth Vlodovic: hi steve and eos
    Catrinamonblue Resident: HI Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Eoa
    stevenaia Michinaga: Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: hi slowly rezzing, snowing
    stevenaia Michinaga: finally dressed appropriately for the weather

    druth Vlodovic: we were trying to get started on the topic :)
    druth Vlodovic: any suggestions?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hindsight?
    Eos Amaterasu listens (what topic?)
    stevenaia Michinaga: this week's theme
    stevenaia Michinaga: ?
    Eos Amaterasu: hindsight?
    druth Vlodovic: they talked about elaborating on the topics but I sugested leaving it at one word, i think I regret that now

    quotes about hindsight

    stevenaia Michinaga: Para found a site of Hindsight quotes.... not many were endorsing it as useful
    druth Vlodovic: do you have a link?
    stevenaia Michinaga: will look at my log, one moment

    stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.notable-quotes.com/h/hindsight_quotes.html

    chatlogs!,  er notes.

    Eos Amaterasu: Here's an example:
    Eos Amaterasu: lots of people take notes
    Eos Amaterasu: very few people read their notes
    Eos Amaterasu: let alone read them regularly
    Eos Amaterasu: study the tracks you make
    druth Vlodovic: have you ever gone back and re-read your notes?
    Eos Amaterasu: rarely :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: but yes, sometimes
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I sometime go back and reread my old journals,
    Catrinamonblue Resident: it's interesting to see how much I've changed

    Eos Amaterasu: Pema told us once he keeps a running note log, and evey day rereads what was put in there 10 days ago

    stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.notable-quotes.com/h/hindsight_quotes.html
    druth Vlodovic: I mainly do notes when things are stressful, so re-reading them can be a bit odd, not to mention disturbing
    Eos Amaterasu: but probably very rich!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: you can be Shakespearean with yourself
    druth Vlodovic: "alas poor yorik!"
    Eos Amaterasu: your emotions and your emotions re-projected
    Eos Amaterasu: is the latter a form of play?
    stevenaia Michinaga: reprojected? Druth
    druth Vlodovic: emotive writing tends not to be very organized
    druth Vlodovic: unless it triggers memories it tends to be confusing
    druth Vlodovic: ymmv
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, like dream fragments?



    stevenaia Michinaga: hard to have hindsight w/o memories, unless it's hindsight fiction
    Catrinamonblue Resident: my journals tend to be much more complete,
    Eos Amaterasu: complete stories?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: more or less
    Eos Amaterasu: stories with that je ne sais quoi enoughness
    Catrinamonblue Resident: oh maybe not so much that, just to me it's a narrative of my life, each day is written out with begining middle and end
    Catrinamonblue Resident: emotions and actions included to try to give a complete picture
    stevenaia Michinaga: is it written before, after or during?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: usually at the end of each day, but there are gaps of time where I do not write. Sometimes life is rather boring and doesn't want to be written.
    Eos Amaterasu: in between surnise and sunset, sunset and sunrise
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: sometimes you can feel the earth life waking up at dawn
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Geo
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Geo
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    druth Vlodovic: hey geo
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves Geo
    Geo Netizen: Namaste :)
    druth Vlodovic: are you new here geo?

    Eos Amaterasu: the topic of "hindsight" is being considered....
    Geo Netizen nods
    druth Vlodovic: ah,I have to tell you we're being recorded and a copy will be posted on the 'net
    druth Vlodovic: is that ok?
    Geo Netizen bows deeply to stevenaia
    Eos Amaterasu: Geo was part of PaB back when :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice to see you again
    Geo Netizen nods in acknowledgment
    druth Vlodovic: 'k, he's been forewarned then :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: foretold :)

    druth Vlodovic: we were talking about keeping notes,and then re-reading them later
    druth Vlodovic: do you do that geo?


    connecting to life, and drifting...

    Eos Amaterasu: one sense of hindsight is that you see your life as a lifetime
    Eos Amaterasu: a finite set of gestures
    Geo Netizen: Re : Sometimes life is rather boring and doesn't want to be written … I humbly submit that this is when we are somehow not fully connected to the richness of the reality that we live in. It is, then, our lack of accurate perception.
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes I agree
    Catrinamonblue Resident: it's a time when i don't feel connected to my life and just drift along
    Geo Netizen: Yet, I find that drifting through reality is sometimes just what I need.
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Eos Amaterasu blows the dandelions....
    Geo Netizen smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: re connection, feeling connected... when that's there sky connects through you to earth at your feet, makes sense
    Eos Amaterasu: but sometimes you drift :-)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I wonder if when we are drifting we really should be writing, that in those drifty moments there are those some connections that can be felt but not seen
    Catrinamonblue Resident: and I wonder if the process of putting pen to paper
    Catrinamonblue Resident: would help to show those connections
    Geo Netizen: In connecting to the sense of drifting, it may be that we (I) connection in a profound way with something more fundamental than the temporal reality that is usual and customary to the contemporary world
    stevenaia Michinaga: I find it very meditative to put pen to paper, more to draw than to place words together
    Geo Netizen: So maybe not then but sometime it might be good to process (write about) those experiences
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, so discovering inside the letting go.....
    Catrinamonblue Resident: what do you think Druth?
    Eos Amaterasu: I guess the 90 second gap are like experiences and then the discussion writes about them (sometimes)
    Eos Amaterasu: somewhat of an artifical form, but form sometimes helps
    Catrinamonblue Resident: gtg guys night
    Geo Netizen bows
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Cat
    Eos Amaterasu: night Cat

    Geo Netizen: The letting go (apophatic) is always something that defines recording … yet we are always drawn to the attempt.
    Eos Amaterasu: defies?
    Geo Netizen:
    Geo Netizen: :)


    letting go/drifting

    Eos Amaterasu: Buddha holding a flower, with Ksyapa
    stevenaia Michinaga: you can always let go of more, even when you are left with only awareness
    Eos Amaterasu: there seem to be subtle hangings on
    Geo Netizen: Easily said … the letting go :)
    Eos Amaterasu: as you said before, letting go, or being in let go, is the natural condition
    Eos Amaterasu: stopping hanging on is hard
    Eos Amaterasu: I like PaB as a secular medium to do that with a shared community
    Geo Netizen: I personally don’t experience it as natural. … the natural for me is more a grasping at self-affirmation.
    Geo Netizen: It more natural to give in to the will to power …
    stevenaia Michinaga: is will power ever pervasive?
    Geo Netizen: Kenosis is the proper goal … and I’m far from it
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosis
    Eos Amaterasu: Wikipedia: In Christian theology, Kenosis (from the Greek word for emptiness κένωσις (kénōsis)) is the 'self-emptying' of one's own will and becoming entirely receptive to God's divine will.
    Geo Netizen: Looking at the local news, I’d say that will to power is the norm …
    Eos Amaterasu: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: but there's also lots of kenosis
    Geo Netizen nods and smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: Thank you, bell! Thank you, Stevenaia and druth and Geo!
    Eos Amaterasu: midnight here - good night!
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Eos
    Geo Netizen: A small correction on Kenosis … it is when my will connects so fully with a fundamental reality that it is communion with the divine realty. It is not subjection as some would have it.
    Geo Netizen bows
    stevenaia Michinaga: bedtime for me too, interedting concept
    stevenaia Michinaga: interesting
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Geo Netizen smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Geo, Druth, gtsy both
    Geo Netizen: that it is communion with the divine realty. It is not subjection as some would have it. May blessing descend on you Druth like dew fall … good night

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