2013.03.17 19:00 - Out on Various Limbs

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think Cal is crashing
    Aphrodite Macbain: how are you?
    Korel Laloix: Having an intersting weekend.. but relaxing.
    Aphrodite Macbain: how interesting?
    Aphrodite Macbain: what have u been up to?
    Korel Laloix: Well, I mentioned before, my gf is half Argentine and heavily Catholic... so her and her family are sort of in a frenzy right now...
    Korel Laloix: So just watching that and being swept up into it is interesting.
    Ewan Bonham: 's current display-name is "Ewan".
    Aphrodite Macbain: where do they lve?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Ewan
    Korel Laloix: Her parents live in north west Oklahoma.. but not up in the panhandle.
    Korel Laloix: Heya
    Ewan Bonham: hi folks..
    Aphrodite Macbain: are her parents in Argentina?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Cal
    Korel Laloix: No, OK... her dad is from there, her mom is Commanche
    Korel Laloix: hyea
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi CalHow are things Ewan? glad you made it.
    Ewan Bonham: ty..always nice to be here...
    Aphrodite Macbain: Dont they approve Kori?
    Korel Laloix: Very much so.
    Korel Laloix: Probably too much.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh good
    Aphrodite Macbain: ?
    Korel Laloix: Reading about some of the controversies around him.
    Korel Laloix: Seems people have issues with him becuase he was not one of the 150 preists murdered during a certain period in Argentine history.
    Ewan Bonham: Who are you speaking about?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Do they wish he had been mirdered?
    Korel Laloix: So I guess the theory is... if he did not get killed, he must be bad.
    Korel Laloix: or was complicit.
    Korel Laloix: Talking about the new Pope.
    Aphrodite Macbain: somewhat simplistic
    Korel Laloix: I dont' know enough about the subject to make an educated talk on it though.
    Korel Laloix: But Reeba is beside herself.
    Ewan Bonham: The new Pope involved in murder?
    Korel Laloix: Some people think that since he survived, he must be dirty.
    Aphrodite Macbain: He is accused of looking away rather than doing any thing
    Korel Laloix: I do not have the details.
    Aphrodite Macbain: During the terrible times in Argentina when people were disaopeared
    Korel Laloix: But will look it up.
    Aphrodite Macbain: a very right wing military government ran the show and killled many dissdent
    Aphrodite Macbain: s
    Korel Laloix: Regardless, Reeb'as family is really enjoyhing the moment.
    Korel Laloix: So happy for them all.
    Aphrodite Macbain: and they accuse the church of not doing anything about it

    Ewan Bonham: How does one get elected Pope with all that baggage?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Who knows. I think it is b/c the majority of Catholics in the world live in S America.
    Korel Laloix: Is it baggage or just people hating?
    Aphrodite Macbain: No idea.
    Korel Laloix: Hating survivors seems to be a popular past time.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps neither
    Ewan Bonham: I guess I would think there would be cleaner candidates... but perhaps npot..
    Aphrodite Macbain: noone is "clean"
    Korel Laloix: And who is to say he is not clean?
    Ewan Bonham: Perhaps like annything else, it isstrictly cut throat political..
    Calvino Rabeni: Let those who are without ...
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think it was political - first pope not from Europe
    Korel Laloix: There have been a few not from Europe.
    Aphrodite Macbain: and representing the majority of catholics
    Aphrodite Macbain: who KOri?
    Korel Laloix: Syria, Egypt and one other country so i understand.
    Korel Laloix: But long ago.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Ah didnt know that
    Korel Laloix: Will look it up.. now I am interested.
    Korel Laloix: Just going on what Reeba has told me.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It was a major news item for about 5 days on Canadian news
    Aphrodite Macbain: watching people waiting for white smoke
    Korel Laloix: I think it is intersting.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It is
    Aphrodite Macbain: not sure whether it should dominate the news for 5 days
    Aphrodite Macbain: How was Australia's respnse Cal?
    Korel Laloix: Well, there are 1.2 billion of them.
    Calvino Rabeni: Anything can dominate the news that long regardless of importance :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Ewan Bonham: Well why not... other unimportant stuff has... get mileage from it....
    Aphrodite Macbain: I got tired of tuning in and just watching crowds wait
    Calvino Rabeni: White smoke or black smoke .. I wonder what they were smoking?
    Korel Laloix: Lots of Popes from AFrica, Syria and Isreal/Palistine and one from what is probably moder n day Iran.
    Aphrodite Macbain: me too! It seems like such a mystical ancient ritual.
    Korel Laloix: And many don't have known birth places.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes I like that about it
    Aphrodite Macbain: cool
    Korel Laloix: Evidently..
    Korel Laloix: ABout the smoke.
    Korel Laloix: If there is no decision, they burn the ballots.
    Korel Laloix: So the smoke is black.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what makes it white?
    Korel Laloix: If there is a decisions, the ballots are kept and something else is burned to make white smoke.
    Korel Laloix: No idea what that is.
    Korel Laloix: Will look it up.. smiles
    Aphrodite Macbain: go to Google when in doubt
    Korel Laloix: Dogpile.
    Korel Laloix: Google sucks.
    Aphrodite Macbain: amazing names
    Aphrodite Macbain: the theme this week is appreciating the appearance of being...
    Aphrodite Macbain: we took it apart at the 1pm session
    Calvino Rabeni: That's "Mr. Google" to the children at Lucinda's preschool
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: I hope someone remembered how to put it back together again :)
    Ewan Bonham: Lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) we decided it simply meant "see things as they are"
    Calvino Rabeni: Learned "take it apart" at 4, but the next year, figured out the reverse might be a good way to stay out of trouble :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Pema likes to make things complicatedly playful!
    Korel Laloix: That is a good thing I think.. smiles
    Aphrodite Macbain: humpty dumpty syndrome
    Korel Laloix: What does that mean?
    Aphrodite Macbain: humpty dumpty sat on a wall
    Aphrodite Macbain: humpty dumpty had a great fall
    Aphrodite Macbain: all the kings horses and all the kings men
    Korel Laloix is looking it up
    Aphrodite Macbain: couldn't put humpty together again

    Aphrodite Macbain: whispers- off to eat dinner
    Korel Laloix: Potasium Chloride for white smoke I think..
    Korel Laloix: Looked up Humpty Dumpty... had heard that before, but reget looking it up now.... smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: Some say those kids rhymes are actually secret coded political messages
    Korel Laloix: Oh do tell.
    Calvino Rabeni: so perhaps I would regret it too
    Korel Laloix: I just looked up the youtube vids.
    Calvino Rabeni: A way to say things publically without losing one's head
    Ewan Bonham: Hmmm...what did they say?
    Korel Laloix: I do wonder about their origions.
    Korel Laloix: But not enough to actually look it up... smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: Ring around the rosie .. .. ashes ashes all fall down ..
    Calvino Rabeni: may have been about the black plague
    Calvino Rabeni: or so rumor has it
    Korel Laloix: We do read about the Ring Around the Rosey one in Epidemiology classes.
    Korel Laloix: Very grim to think of.
    Calvino Rabeni: it is a mark of infection I suppose
    Korel Laloix: But think about it this way, if you lived in a plagued place in Europe five hundred years ago, one in five people you knew would dye of it on averge.
    Calvino Rabeni: Funny that is the one that I thought of .. you being knowlegable in that area
    Korel Laloix: Or there is evidence that entire First American tribes were whiped out by Small Pox or Plague.
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, when the Spanish first landed..
    Calvino Rabeni: I wish there were some accurate numbers for the population of first nations
    Korel Laloix: Different insertion points.
    Korel Laloix: Spanish south.
    Korel Laloix: English, Dutch, French, Portuquese as well.
    Korel Laloix: So different strains and different diseases.
    Calvino Rabeni: I haven't heard the figures but somehow I wouldn't be surprised to know that the land was fully inhabited near its carrying capacity
    Korel Laloix: It probably was not.. very low birth rates, lots of wars.
    Korel Laloix: And some of the Americas are just not inhabitable without technology of some sort.
    Calvino Rabeni: I see, other factors were limits?
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, indeed..
    Calvino Rabeni: the southwest had long term changes in rainfall
    Korel Laloix: We have statistically low birth rates.
    Calvino Rabeni: I found Chaco Canyon impressive, but don't remember if it was really known why it was abandoned
    Korel Laloix: So the idea that people that breed faster than you should enjoy more of the words is offensive to us.
    Calvino Rabeni: that makes sense

    Korel Laloix: We were pushed out of our traditional lands by peopel that bred a lot fasther than we did back in the expansionist Eupean Americas days..
    Korel Laloix: And now peopel want to do it again.
    Korel Laloix: They see our lands that are not overun, overcrowded and over developed and want to take them away ...again.
    Calvino Rabeni: The habit or ability of breeding and developing isn't a good basis for moral rights
    Korel Laloix: Oh I agree.
    Calvino Rabeni: It seems people conflict from what they want and forget everything beyond that
    Korel Laloix: Breeding might makes right is the version of morals these days.
    Korel Laloix: But that is my rant.
    Ewan Bonham: Lol...breeding...interesting if that is physical or breeding of thoughts..
    Korel Laloix: Making population your cultural resources can not sustain.
    Korel Laloix: But that is another arguement.
    Calvino Rabeni: going out on a limb with eyes closed
    Korel Laloix: It is a touchy subject for sure.
    Korel Laloix: Anyway, Iam off for a bit of shopping.
    Korel Laloix: Take care all
    Korel Laloix: Thanks for teh chat.
    Calvino Rabeni: touchy yes
    Calvino Rabeni: yw Korel
    Calvino Rabeni: I have a bit of shopping too
    Korel Laloix: Ciao
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Ewan

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