2013.11.17 19:00 - Moon Choices Imagination How-not-to-Vote

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.

    Calvino Rabeni: Good evening, Lucinda :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Good to see you!
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Santoshima :)
    Calvino Rabeni: On a cool fall night
    Lucinda Lavender: hello Cal and San...
    Santoshima Resident: hello Calvino and Lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: the cool fall night...
    Calvino Rabeni: It's much more dramatic when the air is full of leaves
    Calvino Rabeni wonders what is baking at the House of Lucinda
    Santoshima Resident: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: flying every which way
    Lucinda Lavender: turkey and dumplings
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: six white horses too ?
    Lucinda Lavender: we make various things in the crock pot
    Lucinda Lavender: yep...
    Lucinda Lavender: well not horses in the crock pot
    Lucinda Lavender: It is a full moon today have you seen it anyone? i have not.
    Santoshima Resident: not yet
    Calvino Rabeni: hmmm .. peeks
    Santoshima Resident: inside, so far
    Santoshima Resident: will check
    Santoshima Resident: seen
    Lucinda Lavender: I went out and the air was fresh...no moon as of yet for me
    Calvino Rabeni: it is muted behind a light cloud layer
    Calvino Rabeni: like rough tissue paper
    Calvino Rabeni: i thought it might have something soft to say
    Lucinda Lavender: krinkle krinkle
    Lucinda Lavender: HIya paradise!
    Paradise Tennant: hiya luci san cal :))
    Lucinda Lavender: swish swish

    Santoshima Resident: hello paradise :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Paradise :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Long time no see, how have things been in the northern empire?
    Paradise Tennant: ok ... nice mild rainy night here :))
    Paradise Tennant: I have had a computer issue which took me a while to resolve :)
    Calvino Rabeni: arr(g)
    Paradise Tennant: cannot believe how fast the year has gone .. xmas is almost upon us ..
    Calvino Rabeni: sneaking up on us on cat feet
    Paradise Tennant: had an interesting day interviewed a friend of mine for a journal article .. she is 91 and was the first femiale real estate appraiser in canada then went to see dallas buyers club..
    Calvino Rabeni: that sounds generative! how did the interview go, and what kind of journal is it?
    Paradise Tennant: i am sorry I have likely taken you off topic .. an economist journal :)
    Lucinda Lavender: we were not in anything deep exactly...more like weather:)
    Lucinda Lavender: and sky, and moon
    Calvino Rabeni: :) yup, they are all still there!
    Calvino Rabeni: along with seasons and everything
    Lucinda Lavender: !!
    Lucinda Lavender: and darkness
    Calvino Rabeni: and even putting in an artistic appearance
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Paradise Tennant: she sees very clearly with the eyes of someone who has been through a lot ... and has the treasure of a great memory and lovely sense of enjoyment in the moment perhaps 91 give you that:_
    Lucinda Lavender: wow...i bet
    Lucinda Lavender: real estate seems like a love of land perhaps
    Paradise Tennant: hmm and variety
    Lucinda Lavender: a love of exchange
    Paradise Tennant: yes lots of moving part to it :)) she really was a pioneer
    Lucinda Lavender: perhaps the ability to see possibility
    Paradise Tennant: and connections causality .. :) the detail
    Calvino Rabeni: I like talking to people who have longer term perspectives ... if they can be enticed to talk about it
    Calvino Rabeni: on their area of knowing in the world
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes
    Paradise Tennant: knowing seems to change with the decades :))
    Paradise Tennant: even in things you would think would not change .. it seems there is only change :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Like my friend who is 93, ... wish I could travel back in his memory

    Paradise Tennant: so important to have friends in every age category they all offer a unique perspective :))
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry friends...must go look for some receipts:)
    Calvino Rabeni: ask and you shall receipt :)
    Lucinda Lavender: hope to see you again soon...
    Paradise Tennant: k luci enjoy your evening :)
    Calvino Rabeni: hope so :)
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks...my filing has gotten a bit mixed up i guess...
    Lucinda Lavender: see you soon
    Calvino Rabeni: be well !
    Santoshima Resident: good night luci
    Santoshima Resident: and good night cal and paradise
    Calvino Rabeni: sleep well
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite san .. sweet dreams :))
    Paradise Tennant: how have you been cal ? any more travelling ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Grounded for the season
    Calvino Rabeni: but trying to do some media traveling
    Paradise Tennant: what is media traveling :)
    Calvino Rabeni: you might be a good one to ask about movie recommendations,
    Calvino Rabeni: for example, foreign films (relative to USA)
    Paradise Tennant: my brother was in town for two weeks he is a big movie buff .. would recommend .. Inequality for all..
    Calvino Rabeni: where you get into something very realistic, rather than dramatic
    Calvino Rabeni: I get a bit weary of drama tropes
    Calvino Rabeni: so I turned to French cinema lately, just getting started
    Paradise Tennant: Inequality for all is a documentary a good one :)
    Paradise Tennant: which french films?
    Calvino Rabeni: The Women on the 6th Floor is on the list
    Calvino Rabeni: just getting started though
    Calvino Rabeni: usually I read the reviews and see if anything really unrealistic and awful happens, then don't watch it
    Paradise Tennant: smiles love foreign films as long as they do not start with scenes of starving peasants ..not so keen on films which make me be sad to be human :)
    Calvino Rabeni: preferring character studies
    Paradise Tennant: watermark is suppose to be good also a documentary have not seen it yet though
    Calvino Rabeni: I saw a couple of Chinese movies .. lots of war .. pretty dramatic, but it's hard to buy into what seems like the mass hypnosis and values of it ... I guess you had to be there to have it make sense
    Calvino Rabeni: Watermark .. an economics documentary?
    Calvino Rabeni: I have "Botany of Desire" on the list too, its an, I guess, human ecology documentary
    Paradise Tennant: yes inequality for all is on economics .. watermark is ecology
    Paradise Tennant: with great camera work I hear
    Calvino Rabeni: nods

    Paradise Tennant: http://video.pbs.org/video/1283872815/
    Paradise Tennant: here is a link :)
    Calvino Rabeni: handy - thanks!
    Paradise Tennant: I have gotten hooked on Doc Martin while my brother stayed :)) he signed me up for netflix :)) quite addictive :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't have any cable tv or on demand subscriptions ... so I get stuff at the local library on disk
    Calvino Rabeni: Found first 2 seasons of "Mad Men" interesting
    Paradise Tennant: hmm netflix is 7.99 per month and it has great british tv lots of options .. no commercials and you pause it while you go walk the dog am very impressed :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I wish, one could create a documentary "to order" through some service, and have it appear within a few months
    Calvino Rabeni: this might be a capability of future humans
    Paradise Tennant: smiles might lack the element of surprise :)
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe not .. if one asks for a documentary on a general topic, it could be quite a surprising discovery
    Paradise Tennant: yes :))
    Calvino Rabeni: this imaginative art form would need a way to deal with non-events too
    Calvino Rabeni: like when something didn't happen, that might or "should" have
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Calvino Rabeni: for instance, take the word "tranching", do you know it?
    Paradise Tennant: what kinds of things " should " happen
    Paradise Tennant: nope
    Calvino Rabeni: the "great recession" we recently, more or less passed through, was technically enabled by financial instruments, derivatives that would slice risk up and redistribute it
    Calvino Rabeni: that word comes from structured finance
    Calvino Rabeni: they just invented derivative securities out of nothing and sold them
    Paradise Tennant: was thinking of another application I actually tranch :)
    Calvino Rabeni: and I guess it seems like voodoo to the public ?
    Paradise Tennant: no just layers
    Calvino Rabeni: oh, something like CDO's
    Paradise Tennant: not voodoo
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: the "too complex" category for most to think about
    Paradise Tennant: not really that complex if used correctly
    Paradise Tennant: and directly related to a concrete tangible asset
    Calvino Rabeni: the question is, who was thinking about the possible systemic effects, and the debt ration balon
    Calvino Rabeni: baloon
    Calvino Rabeni: was there some critical thinking involved .. like, could this get out of hand
    Paradise Tennant: canada has a different landscape much more regulation .. much stronger banking system ..
    Calvino Rabeni: for a lot of people it could be considered the modern equivalent of "rocket science" as in, "it's not rocket science"
    Paradise Tennant: so here .. nothing really complicated happened
    Calvino Rabeni: nods to that about CA
    Calvino Rabeni: but US dragged a lot of other markets with it
    Calvino Rabeni: the imaginary documentary would have to have an Iceland segment
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: grim consequences
    Calvino Rabeni: as you probably know, there used to be a regulatory separation between savings institutions and "investment" banks, with the former not allowed to invest in experimental and/or risky securities
    Calvino Rabeni: but that separation was removed during Clinton's presidency
    Calvino Rabeni: setting the stage for the entire system to go out on a limb
    Calvino Rabeni: sort of like the Titanic ... making the safety features not work :)
    Calvino Rabeni: smooth sailing
    Calvino Rabeni: until ..

    Calvino Rabeni: (anyway, perhaps I ought not "talk shop", eh?)
    Paradise Tennant: you would like inequality for all :))
    Paradise Tennant: I did
    Calvino Rabeni: ok
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2215151/
    Calvino Rabeni: ah.. Robert Reich, I remember him from the Clinton years
    Calvino Rabeni: It was on my mind because I was out doing a newish (for me) activity earlier today
    Calvino Rabeni: door to door politicking
    Calvino Rabeni: with a couple of old hands at it
    Calvino Rabeni: 85 year olds
    Paradise Tennant: ahh important to get involved lol
    Paradise Tennant: nods :)))
    Calvino Rabeni: Run into some odd attitudes
    Paradise Tennant: i bet
    Calvino Rabeni: there was a guy whose ballot was defective, nothing had been counted on it
    Calvino Rabeni: and the purpose of the action was to make sure he voted on a certain measure
    Calvino Rabeni: to support it
    Calvino Rabeni: but, he was against that measure
    Calvino Rabeni: so he refused to put his signature on the ballot, thus losing ALL his decisions, including the No vote on the measure he opposed



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