2013.12.08 19:00 - Distinct and Blurred

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    The guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni.  This session was posted from the autolistener database...

    [19:06] Calvino Rabeni: Hello Catrina and Ghost :)
    [19:06] Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Cal :)
    [19:06] Catrinamonblue Resident: and Ghost says hi as well :)
    [19:07] Paradise Tennant: hiya cat nice to see you :) hiya cal :))
    [19:07] Calvino Rabeni: Hi Paradise :)
    [19:07] Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Paradise :)

    [19:09] Calvino Rabeni: Anything interesting going on lately?
    [19:10] Catrinamonblue Resident: life is always interesting :)
    [19:10] Paradise Tennant: it is !

    [19:11] Calvino Rabeni: I can't distinguish the interesting from the boring parts ... sometimes

    [19:11] Paradise Tennant: lol I find my head starts to slump with boring and I sit up straight with interesting :))
    [19:12] Paradise Tennant: our bodies always seem to know :)

    [19:12] Paradise Tennant: I have not seen you in a while Cat - how have you been ?
    [19:12] Catrinamonblue Resident: intersting is each breath as it moves through the body :)
    [19:12] Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm doing very well ty :) life was very hard for a bit but now is good
    [19:13] Paradise Tennant: smiles a big smile - so happy to hear that :)

    [19:13] Santoshima Resident: { hello stevenaia and everyone }

    [19:13] Paradise Tennant: funny how the shadows make you appreciate the sunshine
    [19:14] Paradise Tennant: hiya san :)) stev :)
    [19:14] stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    [19:14] Catrinamonblue Resident: absolutly Para :)

    [19:17] stevenaia Michinaga: the woods are gone
    [19:17] Calvino Rabeni: Greetings Santoshima, and Stevenaia !
    [19:17] stevenaia Michinaga: hi Cal, gtsy
    [19:17] Santoshima Resident: greetings Calvino ~
    [19:17] Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Steve :)
    [19:18] stevenaia Michinaga: hi Cat, San and Para

    [19:18] Catrinamonblue Resident: from the guardian session the suggested topic is catch yourself in the act of doing :) dropping a doing or doing a drop :)
    [19:19] Catrinamonblue Resident: just throwing out a thought, a word, a doing ;)
    [19:20] Paradise Tennant: smiles at Cat :)
    [19:21] Catrinamonblue Resident: feeling a little bit of word play tonight :)
    [19:22] Catrinamonblue Resident: dancing in the dewdrops finding lightness in the sky
    [19:22] Catrinamonblue Resident: doing is an act of kindness never known till its done :)
    [19:22] Catrinamonblue Resident: silly child I am today :)

    [19:23] Calvino Rabeni: just thinking .. figuring out who do, is vu doo too
    [19:23] Catrinamonblue Resident: smiles

    [19:24] Santoshima Resident: { how was your birthday, Steve? did you have cake? }
    [19:24] stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I chose coconut on vanilla cake
    [19:24] Catrinamonblue Resident: happy birthday Steve!!!!!!!
    [19:24] Santoshima Resident: yum
    [19:25] stevenaia Michinaga: speaking of acts unknowing in their effect, even non acts can have the same affect
    [19:26] stevenaia Michinaga: when I was at my recent reunion people spoke of me from 40 years ago in ways I have only recently identified in myself
    [19:27] Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    [19:27] Calvino Rabeni: the fish is the last to know
    [19:28] stevenaia Michinaga: indeed, it makes for better listening later in life
    [19:28] Calvino Rabeni: its easier when they say light stuff, like, Calvino, you're like coconut frosting on a vanilla cake
    [19:28] Santoshima Resident: and mean it
    [19:28] stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    [19:29] Catrinamonblue Resident: mmmmmmm cal cake :)

    [19:32] Calvino Rabeni: I remember in about november of 92 I was in an intentional house and we had a weekly house meeting
    [19:32] Calvino Rabeni: and a man I lived with who was a cook said
    [19:33] Calvino Rabeni: some people are like angelfood cake
    [19:33] Calvino Rabeni: some people are like T-Bone steak
    [19:33] Calvino Rabeni: Where are you
    [19:33] Calvino Rabeni: on the menu?
    [19:34] Santoshima Resident: is that the scale?

    [19:34] Calvino Rabeni: And the next guy was a carpenter not a cook
    [19:34] stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Luci
    [19:34] Calvino Rabeni: and said, do you feel you are made of brick
    [19:34] Calvino Rabeni: or of straw
    [19:34] Santoshima Resident: hi lucinda ")
    [19:34] Santoshima Resident: :)
    [19:34] Calvino Rabeni: Hi Cinda :)

    [19:35] Calvino Rabeni: The next guy was a house painter who wanted to be a fine artist
    [19:35] Calvino Rabeni: "oil on canvas, or watercolor"
    [19:35] Calvino Rabeni: and so it went
    [19:35] Calvino Rabeni: obviously a memorable meeting :)
    [19:36] Paradise Tennant: hiya luci !
    [19:36] Catrinamonblue Resident: :) depends on your point of reference :)
    [19:36] Lucinda Lavender: hi all...hard to move
    [19:36] Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Luci :)
    [19:36] Lucinda Lavender: it takes time

    [19:38] Santoshima Resident: i'd like to ask something
    [19:38] Santoshima Resident: about here at PaB
    [19:38] Calvino Rabeni 's ears perk up
    [19:38] Catrinamonblue Resident: listens
    [19:38] Santoshima Resident: then perhaps you already know that answer!
    [19:38] Lucinda Lavender: as do mine
    [19:39] Santoshima Resident: i've been thinking about how questions are framed
    [19:39] Paradise Tennant: smiles and sits up straighter :)
    [19:39] Santoshima Resident: how when there is some knowledge about a person's life
    [19:39] Santoshima Resident: and circumstances
    [19:39] Santoshima Resident: we can call tehm details
    [19:39] Santoshima Resident: that sometimes questions are asked from that context
    [19:39] Santoshima Resident: without the person's permission
    [19:39] Santoshima Resident: or forewarning
    [19:40] Santoshima Resident: that aspects of their life details are about to be unleashed
    [19:40] Santoshima Resident: these don't need to be large
    [19:40] Santoshima Resident: so ...
    [19:40] Santoshima Resident: am thinking about this
    [19:40] Santoshima Resident: and wondering
    [19:40] Santoshima Resident: about consent
    [19:41] Santoshima Resident: of personal information inadvertently revealed

    [19:41] Santoshima Resident: there has to be a way to frame questions
    [19:41] Santoshima Resident: inquiry
    [19:42] Santoshima Resident: that doesn't isolate an individual
    [19:42] Santoshima Resident: is this too broad
    [19:42] Santoshima Resident: unclear?
    [19:42] Santoshima Resident: what are your experiences with this

    [19:42] Santoshima Resident: i ask, becuase i had that happen today
    [19:42] Santoshima Resident: someone
    [19:42] Santoshima Resident: whom i know from another group
    [19:42] Santoshima Resident: that is confidential
    [19:42] Santoshima Resident: but they spoke
    [19:43] Santoshima Resident: of things i don't speak of here
    [19:43] Santoshima Resident: and so i wonder what to say
    [19:43] Santoshima Resident: about it
    [19:43] Santoshima Resident: for 
    [19:43] Santoshima Resident: yourselves
    [19:43] Santoshima Resident: does this ever happen
    [19:43] Santoshima Resident: knowing this is a recorded session
    [19:43] Santoshima Resident: and that it is public

    [19:43] Santoshima Resident: probably noone reads {except eliza, and search engines}

    [19:43] Catrinamonblue Resident: it's very clear to me but am unsure how to deal with it, for myself I'm so very open I don't mind my own details being known but do understand not everyone is like that
    [19:44] Santoshima Resident: your address? for example
    [19:44] Santoshima Resident: the number of dhildren or non-children
    [19:44] stevenaia Michinaga: it has in the past and the decison to post, if there is a concern rests with the Guardian on Call, in the past, that;s whay there is a guardian to review and post

    [19:44] Santoshima Resident: those kinds of references
    [19:44] Santoshima Resident: what if it IS the guardian on call
    [19:44] stevenaia Michinaga: these things can be edited
    [19:44] Santoshima Resident: true
    [19:44] Santoshima Resident: but there has to be some other way of asking questions
    [19:45] Santoshima Resident: that are based in one's own experience

    [19:45] stevenaia Michinaga: entire logs have not been posted depending on the circumstances

    [19:46] Paradise Tennant: have to try to be careful about editing out too personal information - sometimes we forget this is a text that can be accessed so easily

    [19:46] Santoshima Resident: that is my point, that there is a blurring ... when we begin to think we know each other

    [19:46] stevenaia Michinaga: I was involved (Guardian) in one of the earlier of such circumstances, in the end it involved many emails and a few RL phone calls to work through the decision that extreme
    [19:46] Santoshima Resident: the free trotting out of small details
    [19:46] Catrinamonblue Resident: For myself I don't ask questions beyond a general how are you doing. And think it's only polite to ask that much, it's not fair to post other info without permission

    [19:47] Santoshima Resident: like me asking steve about his birthday
    [19:47] Santoshima Resident: i did so
    [19:47] Hana Furlough: Hi all!
    [19:47] Santoshima Resident: because steve said it was so a few days ago here.
    [19:47] Calvino Rabeni: Welcome Hana :)
    [19:47] stevenaia Michinaga: if it was personal I would IM or ask you to omit it from the log
    [19:47] Santoshima Resident: hello hana
    [19:47] Santoshima Resident: i see, ty
    [19:48] Santoshima Resident: ok, ty

    [19:48] stevenaia Michinaga: if you are not sure, feel free to ask anyone for input
    [19:48] Santoshima Resident: i am asking here
    [19:48] Santoshima Resident: asked
    [19:48] Santoshima Resident: ty
    [19:49] Santoshima Resident: will edit, would prefer to not have to

    [19:50] Paradise Tennant: hiya hana :)
    [19:50] Lucinda Lavender: hi Hana:)
    [19:51] Lucinda Lavender: 7 people...
    [19:51] Hana Furlough: yeah good turnout
    [19:51] Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

    [19:51] Calvino Rabeni: It's a judgment call and a learning process ... you can IM the asker, if it is here, ask the GOC to cut it, their editing is one safety backup
    [19:52] Paradise Tennant: can be done even much later .. the pages can always be edited
    [19:52] Calvino Rabeni: If necessary, one could self-edit the log, though I think the guardian should be asked first to do it
    [19:52] Catrinamonblue Resident: Sometimes it's best to try to avoid those sessions with a person you know may cause this issue
    [19:52] Calvino Rabeni: and I think it's fine to tell the asker in IM that it feels a bit over the line

    [19:52] Hana Furlough: sorry, if i may, what is the issue?
    [19:53] Calvino Rabeni: I think it is, how to handle questions here that feel too personal and may get published
    [19:54] Santoshima Resident: yes
    [19:54] Hana Furlough: ahh i see
    [19:54] Santoshima Resident: and the answer is
    [19:54] Santoshima Resident: edit
    [19:54] Hana Furlough: an important issue
    [19:54] Santoshima Resident: and communicate concerns

    [19:55] Santoshima Resident: thank you for your feedback

    [then some things asked to be deleted from the log - done by conscientious lone reader ;-)]

    [20:01] Paradise Tennant: smiles I had a dream I remembered !
    [20:01] Lucinda Lavender: :)
    [20:01] Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    [20:01] Calvino Rabeni: :)
    [20:01] Santoshima Resident: oh good!
    [20:01] Lucinda Lavender: listening...

    [20:01] Paradise Tennant: I was in the body of a gay man
    [20:02] Paradise Tennant: maybe mid thirties very fit .. felt lots of springy kind of energy
    [20:02] Paradise Tennant: I was all wrapped up in a financial deal I was trying to pull together
    [20:02] Paradise Tennant: and my partner kept insisting I go with him to look at bed linen
    [20:02] stevenaia Michinaga: listening more intently
    [20:03] Paradise Tennant: I really did not want to go I wanted work instead but I gave in and he was all bright and happy
    [20:03] Paradise Tennant: then felt happy because he was happy
    [20:03] Paradise Tennant: and off we went to the store
    [20:04] Paradise Tennant: and we walked in .. and went up to a bed that was made up in kind of a silver gray silk - and we both liked it
    [20:04] Paradise Tennant: and then the bed seemed to stretch out and we walked along it
    [20:04] Paradise Tennant: and each say 6 feet was made up with a different fabric
    [20:05] Paradise Tennant: we were holding hands and as we walked along this enormous bed I reach down to trail my fingers along the fabric
    [20:06] Paradise Tennant: and they were all different some smooth some heavily embroidered
    [20:06] Paradise Tennant: and as I was looking down I noticed my hand changed with each bed I touched
    [20:06] Paradise Tennant: sometimes white skin, sometimes black sometimes more feminine more male
    [20:07] Paradise Tennant: and my eyes went really wide and I looked over at my partner and he should there and smiled me .. holding my other hand
    [20:08] Paradise Tennant: I felt wrapped up in love .
    [20:08] Paradise Tennant: I don't think we actually ever bought anything :))
    [20:09] Paradise Tennant: what a funny dream but the sensation of being in a different body was so interesting .
    [20:09] Lucinda Lavender: perhaps access to what is the universal human experience
    [20:09] Paradise Tennant: end :)
    [20:10] Calvino Rabeni claps

    [20:10] stevenaia Michinaga: that was one of the best dreams I ever heard!!!!
    [20:10] Santoshima Resident: yay
    [20:10] Calvino Rabeni: yes!
    [20:10] Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    [20:10] Paradise Tennant: and it had shopping :)
    [20:10] Calvino Rabeni: If it were on Amazon I'd download it rather than video on demand!

    [20:10] Lucinda Lavender: and to dream into another body is like a wake up call to a broadened experience
    [20:10] Calvino Rabeni: indeed
    [20:11] Lucinda Lavender: notice this the dream says
    [20:11] Lucinda Lavender: join together...go exploring
    [20:11] Lucinda Lavender: allow yourself to stretch

    [20:12] Lucinda Lavender: was it before nelson died?
    [20:12] Paradise Tennant: yes
    [20:12] Lucinda Lavender: just curious

    [20:12] Calvino Rabeni: walking the endless bed is a heavenly image
    [20:12] Lucinda Lavender: yes!
    [20:12] Hana Furlough: yeah that was really something
    [20:12] Calvino Rabeni: like cloudwalking
    [20:12] Lucinda Lavender: a place of unity
    [20:13] Lucinda Lavender: where differences are dropped

    [20:13] Paradise Tennant: yes
    [20:13] Paradise Tennant: i was always me .. what ever the package

    [20:13] Hana Furlough: : )
    [20:14] Hana Furlough: as it should be
    [20:14] Lucinda Lavender: thank you for sharing it
    [20:14] Hana Furlough: yes, ty
    [20:14] Paradise Tennant: smiles I remeber so few of them :))
    [20:14] Catrinamonblue Resident: slips quietly away :) night all
    [20:14] Hana Furlough: on that note i must go
    [20:14] Hana Furlough: bye all!
    [20:14] Paradise Tennant: night night cat :)) sweet dreams
    [20:14] Paradise Tennant: take care Hana
    [20:14] Santoshima Resident: bye cat and hana
    [20:15] Calvino Rabeni: good night :)

    [20:16] Paradise Tennant: it was a bit like your dream of the three beds luci :)) each holding something different
    [20:17] Lucinda Lavender: right!
    [20:17] Lucinda Lavender: different jewelry I think it was
    [20:18] Paradise Tennant: smiles yes necklaces I think .. well I should go too :)) busy week ahead .. so nice to see so many people here tonight ...
    [20:18] Calvino Rabeni: I like anything with 3 beds (or bowls)
    [20:18] Santoshima Resident: thank you paradise, good night
    [20:18] Paradise Tennant: yes kind of llike goldilocks!
    [20:18] Lucinda Lavender: sweet dreams para!
    [20:18] stevenaia Michinaga: night
    [20:18] Paradise Tennant: yes and to you all :)) namaste my friends :))
    [20:19] stevenaia Michinaga: me too
    [20:19] Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    [20:19] Santoshima Resident: bye
    [20:20] Calvino Rabeni: gotten rather quiet around here :)
    [20:20] Lucinda Lavender: okbye san steve, para, cat ...

    [20:21] Calvino Rabeni: I saw a science movie ... I.Q. starring Meg Ryan, takes place at the Institute for Advanced Study, starring one A. Einstein
    [20:22] Lucinda Lavender: that sounds very interesting!
    [20:22] Calvino Rabeni: its a rom-com
    [20:22] Calvino Rabeni: light as a photon
    [20:22] Calvino Rabeni: but fun
    [20:22] Lucinda Lavender: ok

    [20:22] Calvino Rabeni: anyway, yes, it seems like a good time to take off for now
    [20:23] Calvino Rabeni: see you later Cinda
    [20:23] Lucinda Lavender: see you later...sweet dreams:)

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