2015.03.02 13:00 - Inner hyenas and wildebeasts

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments are by Aphrodite Macbain.

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    Xiri, Cat, Lukey, Bruce, Aph, Qt

     

    Lukey Woodget: Hello
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Have you been here before?
    Lukey Woodget: Yes
    Lukey Woodget: I got banned 3 times
    Lukey Woodget: lol
    Catrinamonblue Resident: oh good :) then you know about the recording and putting it on the wiki :)
    Lukey Woodget: because im so bad
    Catrinamonblue Resident: bad is relative ;)
    Lukey Woodget: im so bad that flowers die when I walk past
    Lukey Woodget: :)
    Lukey Woodget: just messing with my blessing
    Catrinamonblue Resident: lonely you then not to see the pretty flowers :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: lol :) it's all good :)
    Lukey Woodget: lonely I am
    Lukey Woodget: and that's why im here
    Catrinamonblue Resident: there will be some more people here shortly and we will have a lively conversation :)
    Lukey Woodget: oh yes
    Lukey Woodget: I have been here before
    Lukey Woodget: it is good
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes :)
    Lukey Woodget: I should come more often
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I wish I had the time to come more often :) RL tends to be very busy
    Lukey Woodget: I can't see rl being busy
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Lukey Woodget: I suppose it depends on the speed at which you work
    'Catrinamonblue Resident: true
    'Lukey Woodget: Hello Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, folks!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Lukey. GTSYA!
    Lukey Woodget: Hello grower of love :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Aph
    Bruce Mowbray: WHA!? Moi!?
    Bruce Mowbray wonders what might have transpired before my arrival....
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- a cultivator of love :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Qt
    Bruce Mowbray decides to get some supportive company. . . Wakes up Silas and Elan.
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Lukey Woodget: Hi Qt
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Qt.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Xirana
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone! :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Heya Silas
    Lukey Woodget: Hi Xirana
    Catrinamonblue Resident: back :)
    Lukey Woodget: Hi Silas
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Luckey
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi QT, Xiri and Silas :)
    SilasAndrews Resident: Hello!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Lukey - have you visited us before?
    SilasAndrews Resident: Trying to get seated at the moment.
    Lukey Woodget: Yes last time I was here we talked about frog lickers
    Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm
    Catrinamonblue Resident: lol :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I don't recall that conversation :-)
    Lukey Woodget: a tribe in the Amazon who lick frogs
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I read that log, was great fun :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: so you know our conversations are recorded and put in a wiki?
    SilasAndrews Resident wonders why he shows up in one viewer but not in the other one.
    Aphrodite Macbain: How was Mexico Cat?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Mexico was amazing :)
    Lukey Woodget: is that your cat
    Aphrodite Macbain smiles at Silas
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I had a great time :)
    Lukey Woodget: oh
    Bruce Mowbray: I remember that frog-lickers conversation.
    Aphrodite Macbain: how amazing?
    Lukey Woodget: you went there
    Xirana Oximoxi: I have a friend living there...Guadalajara :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: beautiful town
    Bruce Mowbray: Cat was in Puerta Vallarta for six days!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Lukey Woodget: are they really short there
    Xirana Oximoxi: wonderful!
    Aphrodite Macbain: what did you do there Cat?
    Aphrodite Macbain: swim?
    Aphrodite Macbain: drink tequilas?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: we went to visit a Tequila distillery :) and sampled the wares :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: very nice!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: brought some home too ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: careful with it!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: we did a lot of things in 6 very short days, too much to say, would take up the entire session :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I find tequila causes the worst hangovers
    Aphrodite Macbain: what was the best experience?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: so far I don't seem to suffer hangovers any time I drink
    Xirana Oximoxi: :) it means you had a wonderful time full of experiences:))
    Catrinamonblue Resident: the beach was the best and the food :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yum
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :) was all inclusive so lots of food and drinks ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: smart
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: It must be hard to be back home in the cold and the snow
    Catrinamonblue Resident: it's not too bad, it's warmed up a bit here from before we left
    Catrinamonblue Resident: almost felt like spring today
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's nice to see how PaB is re-establishing itself here - we are slowly re-growing the community
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks to everyone's support
     

    Is SL anti-social? 

    Lukey Woodget: sl is a very strange thing
    Aphrodite Macbain: strange and wondrous
    Xirana Oximoxi: why strange Lukey?
    Bruce Mowbray: Indeed.
    Lukey Woodget: a social network where most people don't want to be social
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) we're very social here!
    Qt Core: :-) agreed Lukey
    Aphrodite Macbain: do you find that too Qt?
    Xirana Oximoxi: oh! really? how do you notice people don't want to be social?
    Qt Core: yes, or at least i see it like that
    Lukey Woodget: lol it's like "let's all get on a social network and tell everybody to get off my land"
    Bruce Mowbray wonders why he can see Xir in one viewer but not in the other one.... and whether that might have something to do with -non-social reception in SL.)
    Aphrodite Macbain: you have an anti-social viewer
    Bruce Mowbray: [too technical, never mind.]
    Xirana Oximoxi: you are using two viewers at the same time, Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it seems so, because Silas can see Xir clearly, but i cannot.
    Qt Core: we/i came here in sl to socialize, but with the lovely option of shutting it down whenever we feel threatened, then we end up opening up more than some/everywhere else and become addicted
    SilasAndrews Resident: yep!
    Aphrodite Macbain: let's take that drop...
    Lukey Woodget: but maybe though we are all divided
    Lukey Woodget: just by nature
    SilasAndrews Resident: !!
    SilasAndrews Resident drops.
    Lukey Woodget: even the closest people to us we need space from sometimes
    Xirana Oximoxi: ahh I see :) I have a big mess with avis :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: thank you to those who observed the 90 seconds
    Bruce Mowbray still can't see Xir. . . but Silas can. Go figure.
    Lukey Woodget: like we all need to live in our own boxes
    Bruce Mowbray ponders -- wonder if Elan could see Xir. Wakes Elas.
    Lukey Woodget: and find it hard to reach out from them
    Catrinamonblue Resident: well I think we do live in our own minds, perhaps a bit too much sometimes ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think we sometimes need our own private space along with a place to connect with people
    Xirana Oximoxi: I do also need my own space in RL....but like to be social too
    Xirana Oximoxi: I agree Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: I would not like to be out in the public world all the time
    Lukey Woodget: it is odd though to want to be with people but at the same time want to be alone
    Aphrodite Macbain: I need privacy to re-charge (in RL and SL)
    Aphrodite Macbain: so I can get the best of both
    Aphrodite Macbain: don't you?
    Qt Core: i usually think the results don't justify the effort ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: which effort?
    Qt Core: socializing
    Lukey Woodget: im quite a loner, are you QT?
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah
    Aphrodite Macbain: what results do you wish for?
    Qt Core: i think i'm not by nature but got used to it
    Lukey Woodget: well QT, I thought that to
    Lukey Woodget: but being alone I do like
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Lukey Woodget: and also to talk
    Aphrodite Macbain: I guess we are all a mix of introvert and extrovert
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Elan
    Qt Core: yes the problem is when to start and when to stop talking ;-)
    Lukey Woodget: what i am trying to talk about is this strange thing
    Aphrodite Macbain: how do you mean Qt?
    Qt Core: and when to correctly type
    Lukey Woodget: like being alone and not
    Qt Core: the silence and talking is hard to start and to stop
    Lukey Woodget: even if you love somebody
    Lukey Woodget: you still need time apart
    Aphrodite Macbain: How would you like these discussions structured so you each have an opportunity to speak? Do you feel you don't have the chance to say what you want?

    Qt Core: no, it is all on an inside level
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I think I understand Lukey, we can love someone and want to be with them and yet still want or need time alone too
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Lukey Woodget: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: especially if you are used to being alone
    Aphrodite Macbain: listens to Qt
    Aphrodite Macbain: goodness Bruce and the boys seem to be very unstable right now!
    Lukey Woodget: did I talk out of place
    Aphrodite Macbain: nope
    Aphrodite Macbain: why do you say that Lukey?
    Aphrodite Macbain: wb Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: My ISP and SL don't like me to suck up so much bandwidth, so, I guess I'll have to prioritize.
    Lukey Woodget: I was interested in SL how people seem to like there space more so than in RL
    Catrinamonblue Resident: ah :) that is interesting isn't it?
    Qt Core: maybe because they may personalize it more
    Bruce Mowbray: Elan and Silas can go back to bed.
    Lukey Woodget: Why would you come to a social network and be completely antisocial
    Aphrodite Macbain: How do you know that they like their SL space more so than in RL Lukey?
    Lukey Woodget: well I have tried to converse with a number of people in sl prob about more than 1000
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I wonder if it is in how we perceive SL. Do they see it as a social network or a place to escape from social life?
    Bruce Mowbray tickles Lukey's feet . . . .
    Aphrodite Macbain: and what have you found Lukey?
    Lukey Woodget: I would say more
    Aphrodite Macbain: please do
    Lukey Woodget: and most people want to be left on their own
    Bruce Mowbray pets Lukey's ears.
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Aphrodite Macbain: interesting
    Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps it's a question of getting them at the best time
    Lukey Woodget: I don't feel I'm rude to them
    Lukey Woodget: oh this has been for years
    Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe people are shy about talking to a white rabbit...
    Lukey Woodget: so maybe me myself I'm different
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zen!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: perhaps they are trying to escape RL ;)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zen
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Zen :)
    Lukey Woodget: Hi Zen remember me :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: we're talking about whether people are anti-social in SL
    Aphrodite Macbain: and why
    Bruce Mowbray: "Anti-social" or merely "un-social"?
    Aphrodite Macbain: shall we drop?
    Zen Arado: why come to SL if you don't want to talk to people? I can't imagine just sitting by myself in my meditation cabin
    Xirana Oximoxi: I don't have the feeling people are anti-social in SL... maybe some yes, but mostly come here to meet people, partners, adventures...
    Lukey Woodget: well just kind of can't really be bothered with anybody talking to them unless they need something
    Qt Core: people feel free to be antisocial/rude/unsocial is sl as they would like to in RL as here there are no consequences (i may even think it is the sane version of trolling, like throwing darts to your boss pics)

    Aphrodite Macbain: I agree Qt
    Bruce Mowbray: i was reading today about a hermit in Argentina who lives 20 miles from the nearest town, but only several yards from his own sister (whom he's not spoken to in years.) Perhaps that's a metaphor for something... I don't know what.

    Lukey Woodget: that's really interesting Bruce do you have a link
    Aphrodite Macbain: me neither Zen - but sometimes I just like to play with builds or change my clothes without anyone talking to me
    Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
    Xirana Oximoxi: I will go now...have a nice evening/day all!
    Zen Arado: I think many come to SL because they find RL lonely
    Zen Arado: byee Xiri :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Xiri
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Xiri :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Buena sera
    Qt Core: Bye Xir
    Aphrodite Macbain: I sometimes find SL lonely
    Lukey Woodget: concepts are interesting though
    Zen Arado: no need to stay then though?
    Lukey Woodget: my mind breaks down after too much
    Lukey Woodget: and needs to rest
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: both in SL and RL
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Zen Arado: I notice I miss people in SL if I haven't seen them for a while
    Lukey Woodget: but maybe some people work at a level where or before the mind breaks down
    Lukey Woodget: so they just keep going
    Bruce Mowbray nods again.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I like it when there are scheduled events to go to where you can find friends
    Aphrodite Macbain: Some sims don't do that, others do
    Zen Arado: yes Aph
    Zen Arado: I found my 1st year in SL lonely
    Bruce Mowbray: hmmmm.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I hold a cafe every Saturday morning and it's becoming really well attended
    Zen Arado: need to find friends you can communicate with
    Bruce Mowbray: ahhh!
    Lukey Woodget: Oh that's good Aph
    Zen Arado: same interests
    Zen Arado: interesting Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes it's very alienating wandering through acres and acres of land . I prefer to go to a familiar place with friends
    Lukey Woodget: is that in rl
    Aphrodite Macbain: both Lukey
    Bruce Mowbray: If anyone's interested in the old hermit of Argentina's badlands, here's the link --- FOR LATER, though.
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31558467
    Lukey Woodget: oh cool
    Aphrodite Macbain: the cafe is in SL - in 18th century Italy :-)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: ty Bruce
    Zen Arado: ty Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: yw, a very interesting story, actually.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what's in that Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: and one that my typist can readily relate to.
    Aphrodite Macbain: wb Qt
    Bruce Mowbray: I'll leave it to you to read for yourself, Aph.
    Aphrodite Macbain: the hermit part Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Qt!
    Qt Core: (and lately even my viewer feels antisocial)
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, the hermit part

    Aphrodite Macbain: kk will read it later. Tx
    Bruce Mowbray: so did Elan's and Silas', Qt, so don't feel bad.

     

    My family and other animals

    Zen Arado: my sister lives just around the corner from me and I hardly ever see her
    Aphrodite Macbain: really?
    Aphrodite Macbain: why Zen?
    Zen Arado: don't know
    Bruce Mowbray: Right! Zen makes a very good point.
    Zen Arado: just the way it works out
    Aphrodite Macbain: nothing to talk about?
    Zen Arado: exactly
    Aphrodite Macbain: she would be there if you needed her though
    Bruce Mowbray: I have not spoken to my sister for over twenty years, although i do love her and have absolutely NO disagreements with her.
    Zen Arado: we have never had disagreements or anything
    Bruce Mowbray: nods and agrees.
    Bruce Mowbray: YES!
    Lukey Woodget: that's odd Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: (I thought i was the only one like that!)
    Bruce Mowbray: YAYYYY!
    Aphrodite Macbain: what do you agree to Bruce?
    Bruce Mowbray: WHY is it ODD!?????
    Zen Arado: I see her when shopping sometimes and we have a chat
    Catrinamonblue Resident: sometimes it goes that way, I hadn't seen my brother for 20 years till we met at the funeral home about my Mom's death
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is she alone too? Zen?

    Zen Arado: my sister? yes her husband died about 10 years ago
    Zen Arado: she is disabled from a stroke

    Aphrodite Macbain: oh dear

    Zen Arado: she is over 90
     

    Lukey Woodget: You should make a point Bruce of just saying hello
    Lukey Woodget: life is to short
    Lukey Woodget: you could just say hi though

     

    Bruce Mowbray: She lives 2500 miles away and has a life and family of her own....

    Bruce Mowbray: No she is happily married and has two wonderful children, one of whom i took to new York two years ago.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think it is rare when family has the same relationship with you as your friends do.
    Bruce Mowbray sits on hands and listens, and wonders where all these notions of families come from.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am so different from the rest of my family; I have lived apart from them since I was 19
    Bruce Mowbray: Folks seem to have some archetypal notion of how families are "supposed" to relate to each other.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Zen Arado: I always felt that too
    Bruce Mowbray: POOOOEY to THAT!
    Zen Arado: no shared interests
    Aphrodite Macbain: Leave it to Beaver family
    Catrinamonblue Resident: there is no such thing as normal :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: but there is a sort of thing called average
    Bruce Mowbray: Beaver is long gone, alas.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello San
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, San-ji.
    Zen Arado: just heard an old woman on TV say the most important thing is family
    Zen Arado: but times have changed
    Bruce Mowbray: OMG!!!!!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi San
    Bruce Mowbray: You do not CHOOSE your family.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder what that means
    Catrinamonblue Resident: no, but you chose how you act and react towards them
    Bruce Mowbray: You are thrust into their midst and sort of stuck there.
    Aphrodite Macbain: when you are a minor
    Bruce Mowbray: My family separated into four different states as soon as they could...
    Lukey Woodget: it depends though
    Bruce Mowbray: following the example of my mother, btw.
    Aphrodite Macbain: sounds like an explosion!
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, and it felt GREAT!
    Zen Arado: remember a quote somebody posted at our daily meditation session something like ' it is best to spend your time in solitude and meditation' The Buddha
    Lukey Woodget: none of us are perfect
    Bruce Mowbray: solitude sure works for me, Zen.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It sounds so idealistic Zen.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Very few can sit in a cave on top of a mountain and detach from the world
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are social creatures
    Zen Arado: I don't know
    Bruce Mowbray: Some of us are wolves and some are wildebeasts.
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: It is very important to note the difference and not to mix the two.
    Aphrodite Macbain wonders what animal she is
    Bruce Mowbray: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?sh...bdb993cd8e5b96
    Zen Arado: a balance of sociality and solitude?
    Zen Arado: middle way
    Bruce Mowbray: sorry, you probably couldn't access that link.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Zen
    Bruce Mowbray: Wildebeasts are social; wolves are not - except in aggression.
    Santoshima Resident: not so
    Santoshima Resident: wolves a completely social animals
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I thought wolves were very social??
    Zen Arado: thought wolves were social animals Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: when seeking prey, yes, San.
    Aphrodite Macbain: they hunt in packs
    Zen Arado: pack animals
    Bruce Mowbray: Where do you think the expression "lone wolf" came from?
    Santoshima Resident: families and social order within the pack
    Catrinamonblue Resident: they live in packs too...
    Santoshima Resident: elaborate and intelligent
    Bruce Mowbray: I will try to find the article.... separate from my email.
    Zen Arado: cats are more unsociable I think
    Bruce Mowbray: Cats are an excellent example.
    Zen Arado: no cat packs :)
    Bruce Mowbray: for sure!
    Santoshima Resident: prides?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: lol Zen, tell that to my cat ;) she won't leave me alone
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sometimes there are lone wolves who have been excluded from the pack
    Bruce Mowbray: Just try to get them organized!
    Zen Arado: yeh that is a family though
    Santoshima Resident: pride of lions
    Santoshima Resident: aunties and mothers look after cubs
    Aphrodite Macbain: whales and elephants too
    Santoshima Resident: hunt together
    Aphrodite Macbain: they have to collaborate for survival
    Aphrodite Macbain: but others don't
    Zen Arado: yes survival is key
    Zen Arado: perhaps we survive alone too well nowadays
    Aphrodite Macbain: some animals are grouped into small families
    Aphrodite Macbain: which is sufficient for their survival
    Aphrodite Macbain: How would you characterize PaB?
    Santoshima Resident: pride of lions
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Santoshima Resident: den of iniquity
    Aphrodite Macbain: the happiest times are when we worked together on a common project
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol san
    Santoshima Resident: hornet's nest
    Aphrodite Macbain: Beings Playing
    Bruce Mowbray: !!
    Santoshima Resident: add your own animal den or nest ...
    Aphrodite Macbain: I guess we all have our own experiences
    Aphrodite Macbain: I haven't found PaB a hornets' nest
    Zen Arado: friendly interesting people
    Bruce Mowbray: PaB still, unfortunately, seems to work within some archetype of hierarchy. But that might be inevitable, given the structure of SL, generally.
    Aphrodite Macbain: many voices
    Santoshima Resident: look in the rafters ... always there are different animals in us
    Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
    Bruce Mowbray: There are, indeed, San!
    Bruce Mowbray: and some of them are not in the rafters!
    Aphrodite Macbain smiles and looks into her rafters, finding a lot of dust bunnies
    Bruce Mowbray: Go inward and downward... find your animals.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what do we do with them when we find them?
    Bruce Mowbray: (a most enlightening enterprise, to be sure.)
    Bruce Mowbray: Listen to them. They will tell you what to do.
    Aphrodite Macbain: something to do while meditating
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, perhaps.
    Santoshima Resident: welcome and be seated
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: in the guest house?
    Bruce Mowbray: Make a chair, just for your animals.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes!
    Aphrodite Macbain: wonders where she would put her hyena
    Bruce Mowbray: He/ she will tell you where, Aph.
    Zen Arado: just get out of the way and allow whatever transpires
    Santoshima Resident: with all the other hyenas!
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Zen has it!
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles happily
    Bruce Mowbray also smiles.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I may have to be in a separate room by myself if i am going to have so many strange visitors
    Zen Arado: I usually am:)
    Lukey Woodget: me to Zen
    Bruce Mowbray ponders making a chair for his inner hyena.
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I have to run :) that pesky RL :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: see you all later :)
    Bruce Mowbray: bye for now, Cat-ji!
    Qt Core: Bye Cat
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Cat
    Lukey Woodget: :)
    Santoshima Resident: so long cat

    Zen Arado: reminds me of Pema Chodron saying when we turn and face our demons they disappear like the phantoms they are
    Zen Arado: bye cat
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes, Zen!
    Aphrodite Macbain: and sometimes they don't...
    Bruce Mowbray: THERE it is!
    Zen Arado: phantasms
    Lukey Woodget: that's a interesting saying
    Santoshima Resident: and another saying, "recognize your demons as your mother and father"
    Santoshima Resident: why not? might as well
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    --BELL--
    Bruce Mowbray: If you look them in the eyes and tell them that you honor them . . . then they will either stay (if they actually are part of you), or they will disappear, as Zen says.
    Aphrodite Macbain: that may be too easy
    Lukey Woodget: there is another saying - you are your own worst enemy
    Aphrodite Macbain: I never knew my father - I would have to make him up
    Bruce Mowbray: Try looking a hyena in the eyes, and then tell me it's too easy.

    Santoshima Resident: shh
    Lukey Woodget:
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: sh
    Bruce Mowbray: /em shhh.
    Bruce Mowbray: (me shh.
    Aphrodite Macbain: shh
    Bruce Mowbray shhh.
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Lukey Woodget: shushies
    Bruce Mowbray: (At the top of the hour, we're shushhhing?)
    Bruce Mowbray: ahhh! Freedom!

    Aphrodite Macbain: Must go and pick up my tickets for Italy :-)
    Santoshima Resident: true, Lukey
    Santoshima Resident: bye all
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Aph.
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks everyone
    Zen Arado: byee
    Bruce Mowbray: THANKS, everyone.
    Qt Core: :-) have fun
    Lukey Woodget: im off to play minecraft
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nice to meet you Lukey. Come again
    Lukey Woodget: :)
    Qt Core: bye all
    Santoshima Resident: bye

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