2015.12.20 01:00 - Berti Meditation and Holidays

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Wol Euler...


    Wol Euler: hallo berti!
    Bertram Jacobus: hi there woly ! ... :-)
    Wol Euler: nice to see you again
    Bertram Jacobus: reliable being ... you ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: ty ! nice to see you again as well ! :-)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: I'm glad that there will be a meditation tonight
    Bertram Jacobus: ty ! aggers was so constantly asking ... and you did now and then as well ...
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bertram Jacobus: but it´ll be two hours earlier then it was before - did you get that ?
    Wol Euler: yes, noon SL
    Wol Euler: 21:00 unsere Zeit
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. good. attentive you :-)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bertram Jacobus: i will send a nc today again to the pab group and the pp group ...
    Wol Euler: I have to admit, I nearly missed it
    Wol Euler: Aggers sent me the notecard yesterday
    Bertram Jacobus: admitting ... hmmm - why do you choose this word in this context pls ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: oops ? didn´t i send you one as well ??
    Wol Euler: it's a common phrase in English (british english)
    Bertram Jacobus: so many questions ! ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: auf deutsch hieße das ja : "ich muss zugeben" - meine frage dazu wäre : was daran ist "zuzugeben" ? ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: the aspect of clinging, perhaps ? ;-)
    Wol Euler: hmmmm
    Wol Euler: one admits something embarrassing or disturbing, something one regrets
    Wol Euler: you could also say something like "I have to admit that I'm falling in love with him"
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ! and i wanted to know which points there are to admit ... sry - don´t want to be intruding or insisting
    Wol Euler: in the sense that it is unexpected
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! unexpected ! okay ! NOW i see ... ty ! :-)
    Wol Euler: it's just an expression, most people use it without thinking of its roots
    Bertram Jacobus: i see. that happens in all languages on can guess ...
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bertram Jacobus: and ... no cal here, on sundays ? mornings ? ( for europe, mornings ) ...
    Wol Euler: you could also translate as "es ist mir peinlich zu sagen, daß ..."
    Wol Euler: Cal never comes to my sessions
    Wol Euler: in fact I'm not even sure who that is :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ! but the again the question would be : what about it is embaraasing ? ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: then*
    Bertram Jacobus: better : could be
    Bertram Jacobus: oops - so who is it, from italy, who i saw often with you here ?
    Wol Euler: oh, that is Qt
    Wol Euler: and yes it is unusual for him not to come on a Sunday
    Wol Euler: but he was here yesterday
    Wol Euler: he seldom does both days
    Bertram Jacobus: i mixed somebody up i must admid *giggle*
    Wol Euler: family takes a lot of his time and energy, it seems
    Bertram Jacobus: ah okay
    Bertram Jacobus: somebody on pp wanted to "help" with the meditation session - she wanted to sing mantras - i said, we should check taht before, how it was and such ... but luckily this check hadn´t happened so far ...
    Bertram Jacobus: that*
    Wol Euler: hmmmmmmm
    Wol Euler: I appreciate the good intention, but I'm not sure that we need or want that
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s not easy to explain to people when a may be ... exactly -
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bertram Jacobus: well meant actions ... especially to me, as a no native english speaker ... again and again that can cause problems, misundersandings and pain, for sake
    Bertram Jacobus: no : not for sake
    Bertram Jacobus: sadly !
    Wol Euler: agreed
    Bertram Jacobus: so i´m happy so far that the test didn´t happen ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and may be, she meanwhile has seen by herself that this was and / or is not such a good idea ...
    Bertram Jacobus: she could do a session of her own i would guess - that would be very welcomed i guess
    Wol Euler nods.
    Bertram Jacobus: and she is a nice person ... very engaged in spiritual (?) things - is that a good word for such ?
    Wol Euler: not that I can think of off-hand
    Wol Euler: spiritual is good
    Bertram Jacobus: wie bitte ? sry ... *g*
    Bertram Jacobus: off- hand ?
    Wol Euler: aus dem Stehgreif
    Bertram Jacobus: okay -
    Bertram Jacobus: and they asked or talked about a kind of lessons about spirituality ... that it would be nice to have such on pp ...
    Wol Euler: agreed
    Bertram Jacobus: but i fear, many only like the nice aspects of it but not the sometimes heavy work which such causes as getting rid of the ego for example ...
    Bertram Jacobus: many people

    Bertram Jacobus: so you will have a free sunday today ? ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: off duties ? ;-)
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure
    Bertram Jacobus: oops ?
    Bertram Jacobus: how can that be ? *g*
    Wol Euler: I am considering going in this afternoon to do a few hours, in the hope of getting time free Monday or Tuesday
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - to buy some christmas gifts ? ;-)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe :-)
    Wol Euler: I am so bad at holiday shopping
    Bertram Jacobus: holiday ... holy days ! ... ;-)
    Wol Euler: originally
    Wol Euler: not much holy left in it for many people
    Wol Euler: just resting
    Bertram Jacobus: christmas ! isn´t it ? and was written xmas as well for many years ? ...
    Wol Euler: the x is actually the Greek character chi
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! cool ! didn´t know that ... ty !
    Wol Euler: the "ch" in christ
    Wol Euler: so: the Mass celebrated for Christ
    Bertram Jacobus: but nowadays sadly christmas or / and xmas aren´t written anymore ? ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and said
    Wol Euler: churches hold masses still, and people do go
    Bertram Jacobus: i like and appreciate those words ...
    Wol Euler: more people at a Christmas mass than any other time of the year
    Bertram Jacobus: the reminder to jesus lessons of love
    Wol Euler: interestingly, or sadly, it's not just a christian problem
    Bertram Jacobus: hmmm ... so lets find solutions ! ;-)
    Wol Euler: I read recently that many hundreds of Japanese shinto temples will have to close in the next years, for lack of money = support
    Bertram Jacobus: ah i see. but my be when spirituality comes into peoples mind, that may be way better as if it was in temples only ?
    Bertram Jacobus: whereas i like temples very much i must admit ... ;-)
    Wol Euler: it's worthless if it isn't in people's heads and hearts, yes
    Wol Euler: but very sad when such lovely buildings have to go
    Bertram Jacobus: always look on the bright side of life ... *sings silently* ... ;-)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Bertram Jacobus: or : to find the good everywhere - that is a skill !
    Bertram Jacobus: :-))
    Bertram Jacobus: ty for the session dear wol !
    Wol Euler: thank you for coming, dear Berti
    Wol Euler: see you this evening
    Bertram Jacobus: so reliable ... you are ... nice ... *bow*
    Bertram Jacobus: may all beings be happy !
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Bertram Jacobus: and yes : this evening ... look forward to it !
    Wol Euler: tschuß´!
    Bertram Jacobus: tschüüß :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-))
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: take care

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