2017.05.02 07:00 - PaB lessons learned (Part 2)

    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

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    Riddle Sideways: welcome Leaping in Adams
    Adams Rubble: Greetings Riddlesan
         right into continuing from last week
    Adams Rubble: This morning I had lots of thoughts
    Adams Rubble: one was about all the people that I learned something important from in PaB
    Riddle Sideways: good... thoughts are good
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Adams Rubble: of course, from pema and Stim I learned many things
    Adams Rubble: from pema I learned not to put too much importance on any one experience
    Adams Rubble: I learned to stop being so impatient
    Adams Rubble: from Stim I learned to use bad experiences in life into something to make me become stronger
    Adams Rubble: from Sophia I learned that Islam teaches compassion
    Adams Rubble: There was a Franciscan named George who came for a brief period. From him I learned that sin is absence of God. The further we move away from God, the more serious our sin. Substitute Being for God and we have an important lesson
    Adams Rubble: from Dakini I learned to meditate more than 9 seconds at a time

    Adams Rubble: that's off the top of my head :)
    Adams Rubble: sorry to monopolize the log
    Riddle Sideways: wow! that is a good amount off the top
    Adams Rubble: I leaned more than that from people :)

    Riddle Sideways: remembering Pema (yelling?)(forcing?) telling at you to work on (something)
    Adams Rubble: I also was thinking about my upcoming art gallery project
    Riddle Sideways: just remember the occasions
    Riddle Sideways: what was the lessons?
    Adams Rubble: hehe, yes I can proudly state that I got "hammered" by Pema :)
    Adams Rubble: it wasn't necessarily a lesson but a battle of wills :)
    Riddle Sideways: funny to remember the hammering, but not the subject
    Adams Rubble: Pema and I both came from protestant traditions
    Riddle Sideways: is that placing blame?
    Adams Rubble: and interestingly enough we found we both loved a certain Pre-Raphaelite painting of Christ with a lantern knocking at a door
    Adams Rubble: Knowing my tradition, Pema often talked to me in Christian metaphors
    Adams Rubble: Pema was trying to get me to open the door of my heart and let Christ in
    Adams Rubble: I kept saying that I did not know how to do that
    Adams Rubble: we battled for some time
    Riddle Sideways: oh! remembering about a door
    Adams Rubble: finally I said I do not know how to open the damn door which made Pema mad (he denies he got mad )
    Adams Rubble: he finally said just ask Christ to open the door, he knows how to do it
    Adams Rubble: that night while laying in bed, I asked Christ to open the door and suddenely my body was being rocked as if in a cradle--beack and forth
    Adams Rubble: back and forth
    Adams Rubble: I liked it and tried to keep it going but as soon as I tried, it sopped
    Adams Rubble: stopped
    Adams Rubble: and that was that :)
    Adams Rubble: I was somewhat dubiouis about letting pema post the exchange but I gave permission and I seemed to concern other avatars
    Riddle Sideways: the proper metaphor and the 'you' can't do it (that way)

    Adams Rubble: I don;t think Pema would have done it if he had not met my rl avatar in RL
    Riddle Sideways: maybe
    Riddle Sideways: but maybe... would have anyway
    Adams Rubble: knew that it would not do damage and i would go running around my computer screaming
    Adams Rubble: whoops would not go running and screaming
    Adams Rubble: around my computer
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Riddle Sideways: remembering Pema pushing Bleu also
    Riddle Sideways: and not sure if they had met in RL
    Adams Rubble: my rl avatar never would have crossed pema's rl avatar like that :)
    Adams Rubble: only i could do that
    Adams Rubble: don;t tell anyone
    Riddle Sideways: ok
    Adams Rubble: :)

    Riddle Sideways: in the last session we ended with listing group members
    Adams Rubble nods
    Riddle Sideways: and is so nice you started this one with the smae
    Riddle Sideways: same
    Adams Rubble: and apologies to all those I left out
    Adams Rubble: I was playing with the idea of interviewing my rl avatar for mu art gallery project

    Riddle Sideways: there are huge lessons from some and continual lessons from others
    Riddle Sideways: and group applied lessons
    Adams Rubble: oh yes, exactly
    Riddle Sideways: Stim, brought in Zeroeth(sp?) Time
    Riddle Sideways: a major major idea
    Riddle Sideways: while lots of people brought in non-Dualism
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Riddle Sideways: non-dualistic life still affects and runs this RL av
    Riddle Sideways: Learning the stuck-ness of only seeing 2 sides to anything
    Riddle Sideways: the always balancing both sides
    Riddle Sideways: the Good and the Bad exist for each other
    Riddle Sideways: this whole PaB group taught that
    Adams Rubble: nice thought about being stuck on two sides
    Riddle Sideways: each saying it in a different way to get their angle over
    Riddle Sideways: like being given the proper mantra
    Adams Rubble: we do that in our US politics
    Riddle Sideways: studying other mantras may not get it over
    Adams Rubble: although the different dualistic ideas cross party lines
    Riddle Sideways: yet the (supposed) 2 parties are stuck
    Riddle Sideways: on the right - wrong   ness
    Riddle Sideways: not Right - Left
    Riddle Sideways: where in any particular subject, topic, law, etc. there are shifting lines
    Adams Rubble nods
    Riddle Sideways: where in any number of members of some party there are shifting lines
    Riddle Sideways: There are PaB members
    Riddle Sideways: that have not been met in RL
    Riddle Sideways: that have a built up personality
    Adams Rubble: It is so interesting how PaB discussions have their own life, shifting and shifting some more
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Riddle Sideways: and sometimes lack of

    Adams Rubble: yes, half of the people I mentioned first thing I never met in rl
    Adams Rubble: I never met you in RL Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: ha, and yet ...
    Riddle Sideways: you know more then most. from FB
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Riddle Sideways: some RL pictures that changed your ideas of Riddle
    Adams Rubble: I expect it was greater the other way :)
    Riddle Sideways: not sure that RL photos of Adams has anything to do with this friendship
    Adams Rubble: my rl avatar was voted as being the most unlike their avatar at the first RL retreat :)
    Riddle Sideways: momentary photos of that RL retreat were published
    Riddle Sideways: and then taken down
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: someone objected to them being there
    Riddle Sideways: yet, think that has (almost, who can say) nothing to do with it
    Riddle Sideways: yes, remember that

    Adams Rubble: I have been visting all this thinking about my project
    Riddle Sideways: good - great
    Riddle Sideways: have learned so much from an email sent just before that first RL retreat
    Riddle Sideways: had scattered thoughts on the subject

    Adams Rubble: I have been thinking of interviewing avatars on what has happeend in PaB since the least chapters in the Chronicles and i was thinking I would like to start with the avatars who have been in PaB the longest
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear
    Adams Rubble smiles
    Riddle Sideways: might be interesting to interview some that are not here currently also
    Riddle Sideways: many are reachable in RL emails
    Adams Rubble: yes, as a second project but it may be hard to find people willing to do it
    Riddle Sideways: or the group email
    Riddle Sideways: Boxy, Storm, Sophia, Fefonz, Sunshine, 
    Adams Rubble: a discussion about why some of us are sticking around I think would be more interesting than learning from those who left
    Adams Rubble: more important to paB
    Riddle Sideways: that was nice pause... all those names bubbling up in the quiet
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Riddle Sideways: maybe, my friend
    Riddle Sideways: some graduated and went to work
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: You may be close to the truth if I am a example
    Riddle Sideways: giggles
    Adams Rubble: I was thinking about that question and think the answer may be that I have not yet "got it"
    Riddle Sideways: thinking of inserting "all of" into got ___ it
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Riddle Sideways: so many "it" that have been gotten
    Adams Rubble: exactly
    Riddle Sideways: you started with a list of some of them
    Adams Rubble: sometimes I feel abandoned by Pema

    Riddle Sideways: How about Phenomenology?
    Riddle Sideways: not sure of ever having heard of it
    Adams Rubble: oh my
    Riddle Sideways: and then studied it
    Riddle Sideways: and heard the Great Debates
    Adams Rubble: there is a certain place I walk when I always think about exchanging subject and object with a spoon
    Riddle Sideways: Pema and ___ (who was that?)
    Adams Rubble: I forget
    Riddle Sideways: will look it up

    Adams Rubble: do you remember the beginng of "I remember Mama" a very early TV show?
    Riddle Sideways: don't think so
    Adams Rubble: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjWI1IrR3E
    Adams Rubble: But most of all, I remember Pema
    Adams Rubble: Oh my, I just realized that was before your time
    Riddle Sideways: ha, some of it
    Adams Rubble does not remember anything about that show except the opening
    Riddle Sideways: first year
    Riddle Sideways: but... thanks to youTube
    Adams Rubble: wow, I did not realize it ran for 8 years

    Adams Rubble: did you notice that I sent a photo from 2009 to you this morning in email?
    Adams Rubble: It could almost be today :)
    Riddle Sideways: Oh! there is mail
    Riddle Sideways: 6am
    Riddle Sideways: thank you
    Adams Rubble: my rl avatar used to work during your Tuesday sessions and could visit only rarely
    Riddle Sideways: but Riddle's av looks so primitive, dumb

    Adams Rubble: I think we hit something with this two week topic Riddle
    Adams Rubble: I hope we can continue it
    Riddle Sideways: the years of multi-tasking on phone conferences
    Riddle Sideways: people saying they could hear water running and birds
    Adams Rubble: hehe

    Riddle Sideways: this is Part 2 of topic
    Riddle Sideways: was thinking to broadcast that this topic happening
    Riddle Sideways: what would it be with many here?
    Riddle Sideways: would it get lost
    Riddle Sideways: would new things come it
    Riddle Sideways: in
    Adams Rubble: I think it would for me
    Adams Rubble: I always found smaller sessions richer I have trouble coping with lots of different ideas flying by
    Adams Rubble: maybe because I am a slower thinker
    Riddle Sideways: ideas flying by that get lost and covered over
    Riddle Sideways: not slower, but more interested in one that just got dropped
    Riddle Sideways: thoughts go flying with the quick idea
    Adams Rubble: However, if you want to advertize it, it is OK with me
    Riddle Sideways: by the time typing starts the idea and discussion has gone
    Riddle Sideways: maybe in a few weeks
    Adams Rubble: I know one part of me is plotting the art gallery project and trying to remember things
    Adams Rubble: and relating them to what pics I have
    Riddle Sideways: however, some might read the logs at how much fun we are having
    Adams Rubble: yes, and if that makes them want to come, welcome

    Riddle Sideways: ah, don't tell anybody, but am working toward art project also

    Adams Rubble: hello out there in wiki-land, a big welcome to you all
    Riddle Sideways: /waves

    Adams Rubble: I promise not to tell, Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Riddle Sideways: shhhhhhh yerself Beel

    Adams Rubble: what do you think of the idea of me interviewing my rl avatar?
    Riddle Sideways: like that idea
    Riddle Sideways: was thinking the same
    Adams Rubble: I was going to do the narrative but thought this might be better
    Adams Rubble: we have already had dialog on my blog
    Riddle Sideways: as long as you are comfortable with the interview and publishing it
    Riddle Sideways: well, there you go
    Adams Rubble: I may not put it on the wiki depending on how it comes out
    Adams Rubble: or may edit it for the wiki
    Riddle Sideways: is there an Adams interview up on the pages?
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Riddle Sideways: it should be in the gallery project tho
    Riddle Sideways: much of it would be 'what you learned'
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: that was my thought

    Adams Rubble: our hour went too quickly this morning
    Riddle Sideways: oh! look at that
    Riddle Sideways: the clock time moved so fast
    Adams Rubble: thank you for a wonderful discussion
    Riddle Sideways: Yes! thank you
    Adams Rubble: I hope you have a great week :)
    Riddle Sideways: and go have you best day
    Adams Rubble: thank you :)
    Adams Rubble: bye for now
    Riddle Sideways: by for now

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