2018.05.01 12:00 - Dream Session: The butterfly that recorded a dream of recording a butterfly

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    Eliza and Zen were guardians for this dream session. Additional comments, where any, are Eliza's.
    *Beginning greetings and session/PaB business were moved to the bottom of the log for session clarity.
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay so that's business done then :) No one off the hook for showing up next week
    Eliza Madrigal: (we started [recording] just a few weeks ago Agatha)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Eliza Madrigal sits on hands and looks at Zen
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorted
    Zen (Zen Arado): shuffles uneasily
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Pick a card any card...
    Zen (Zen Arado): shall I post something?
    Agatha Macbeth: A letter?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes please
    Riddle Sideways: post-it
    Zen (Zen Arado): Dream induced lucid dreaming
    Zen (Zen Arado): is topic
    Agatha Macbeth takes note
    Zen (Zen Arado): 'A lucid dream is, in essence, the meeting of two seemingly contradictory states of mind: dreaming and consciousness...we can either add dreams to consciousness or consciousness to dreams.
    Zen (Zen Arado): Dr Stephen LaBerge coined two terms to define each of these approaches: Wake Initiated Lucid Dream (commonly referred to as WILD) as the term for adding dreaming to consciousness, and Dream Initiated Lucid Dream (DILD) for the reverse, adding consciousness to dreaming.
    Zen (Zen Arado): As the primary state of a DILD is dreaming, it will initially be the dominant of the two states, so once consciousness is added you will need to spend a little time grounding yourself and attempting to increase your awareness. In other words, at the start of a DILD the dream will most likely be very vivid and stable, but your consciousness may well not.
    Zen (Zen Arado): For beginners, many of their first DILDs occur at the latter end of a dream, generally due to their brain chemistry gearing up towards the waking state, resulting in their critical faculties becoming more astute. This partly explains the frustrating experience for many new lucid dreamers achieving lucidity, only to awaken shortly after..As experience in lucid dreaming grows and as our dream practices progress, we can move the initiation of a DILD further towards the start rather than end of the dream, allowing for a longer, more satisfying, lucid dream.
    Agatha Macbeth: Good job there's no O on thend of DILD
    Zen (Zen Arado): :) DILDs are somewhat easier to induce than WILDs, most likely due to the fact that a dream already contains elements of conscious activity. As such, we are simply looking to increase the conscious element to the critical level where it becomes fully activated and useful.DILDs are somewhat easier to induce than WILDs, most likely due to the fact that a dream already contains elements of conscious activity. As such, we are simply looking to increase the conscious element to the critical level where it becomes fully activated and useful.
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): (lol, was thinking the same thing Aga, put didn't dare say it)
    Zen (Zen Arado): Out of the two initiation options, DILDs most closely resemble the ‘normal’ experience of our regular, non-lucid dreams. Indeed, they require the standard process of dreaming to be underway before they can even occur.
    Zen (Zen Arado): In the simplest possible terms, a DILD is a lucid dream that starts during a non-lucid dream. Your consciousness ‘switches on’ at some point during a dream, transforming it into a lucid dream.'
    Love, Daniel. Are You Dreaming?: Exploring Lucid Dreams: A Comprehensive Guide . Enchanted Loom Publishing. Kindle Edition.
    Zen (Zen Arado): done
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): thank you Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks, nice clarifications. Alma brought up WILDs last week
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): that perfectly describes my experience of becoming lucid only at the very end of a dream
    Eliza Madrigal: Most of my dreams seem to have one element that is especially vivid or jumps out
    Eliza Madrigal: I always hesitate to say it is a lucid place, but I 'think' it is
    Agatha Macbeth: Lucid in the sky with diamonds
    Riddle Sideways: Thanks for that, Zen.  the last few weeks have been a lot of cross-over and not knowing which state
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I love lucid
    Riddle Sideways: GROANS
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Riddle do you have one to share?
    Riddle Sideways: small one,
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Agatha Macbeth: Size isn't important dear
    Riddle Sideways: but, a major thing is a journal writing time, not sure if was awake or asleep
    Riddle Sideways: noted that many times.
    Eliza Madrigal: say more? was there evidence of writing in your journal?
    Riddle Sideways: looking back, note that so many times was writing that could not tell of dream or wake story telling
    Eliza Madrigal: ah
    Zen (Zen Arado): dreaming you were writing?
    Riddle Sideways: another was the real clock showing 3am or a dream clock
    Riddle Sideways: no, sorry.  writing hours later
    Zen (Zen Arado): ah
    Eliza Madrigal: so while you're recording you may be recording a dream, or may be fuzzily threading things out
    Eliza Madrigal: something like that?
    Riddle Sideways: fuzzy
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): not sure if you were remembering a dream, or making it up as you wrote?
    Agatha Macbeth: Fuzzy logic
    Zen (Zen Arado): think I have dreamt I recorded a dream but then found I hadn't
    Riddle Sideways: yes, Alma
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
    Eliza Madrigal nods.... have done that
    Agatha Macbeth: Now that *is* confusing
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): Zen, I had a funny experience of that this morning
    Eliza Madrigal: it is like the edges are porous
    Riddle Sideways: use to always dreamed having done the homework
    Zen (Zen Arado): ha maybe we are realising it is all a dream
    Riddle Sideways: now the short dream:
    Riddle Sideways: vacation someplace
    given big bag of bedding, towels, stuff.
        the sleeping bag was aluminum(?) comfortable to sleep on, but
            hard to unroll and then really hard to roll up  (and the crinkling sound)
    Agatha Macbeth: Would wear well
    Riddle Sideways: done.
    Eliza Madrigal pictures mylar
    Agatha Macbeth: Yourlar?
    Riddle Sideways: sure it has zero meaning
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I wouldn't assume that
    Eliza Madrigal: nor I
    Riddle Sideways: ha
    Zen (Zen Arado): the trickster tells us that
    Eliza Madrigal: which doesn't mean I see the meaning yet :))
    Agatha Macbeth: No need to wash it either, just wipe clean
    Zen (Zen Arado): sounds like camping
    Eliza Madrigal: I dreamed, sort of, about this group, and in particular about Riddle last week
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Riddle Sideways: ah oh
    Eliza Madrigal: that's a good point Agatha, efficient in its way
    Agatha Macbeth beams
    Zen (Zen Arado): what was the dream?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) nothing profound but funny...
    Eliza Madrigal: 4.28 - Dreaming about remembering to tell the group, or at least Riddle, about the dream of making cookies (was there one?), and how involved the preserving of the cookies is, rather than the memory of the process of making cookies in the dream. I tried to make the memory cold, tried to keep in a sort of phone-booth style lobby area that I was just in alone but then suddenly lots of people filled the spaces. 
    [feeling of going over and over it trying to keep the memory of the steps in order to bring it out of the dream to the group]
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): cookies!
    Eliza Madrigal: I was trying to keep the dream memory solid enough to transfer it
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): did you bring some for us?
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: I should have!
    Agatha Macbeth ponders downloading a dream                     [had missed this at first! Or thought I had?]
    Eliza Madrigal: but it is sort of interesting that it is also a dream where I'm not sure if the original dream even happened
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): a dream recipe ... that would be interesting
    Zen (Zen Arado): cookie preservation society
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Eliza Madrigal: fuzzy cookies
    Zen (Zen Arado): preserving cookies and dream
    Riddle Sideways: a phone-booth sized lobby would be like a     a refrigerator
    Zen (Zen Arado): dreams getting multi-facetted
    Agatha Macbeth: But not as cold
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe but what it looked like was the little room ahead of a restaurant in winter, that interrupts the wind
    Riddle Sideways: the Mudroom
    Zen (Zen Arado): in Miami?
    Riddle Sideways: Miami does not have those
    Zen (Zen Arado): :)
    Eliza Madrigal grins, no... am in NY sometimes
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): like an airlock
    Zen (Zen Arado): ah
    Eliza Madrigal: Other dreams? Or noticings?
    Zen (Zen Arado): question :
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): want to hear about my funny experience this morning?
    Agatha Macbeth makes a note: 'Miami doesn not have airlocks'
    Riddle Sideways: yes, move along to profound dreams
    Zen (Zen Arado): kk Alma
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had an interesting dream about a musical instrument. Right after I wake up I was recording it on my voice recorder, choosing my words very carefully to try to describe it as clearly as I could
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): then I realized I was not holding my recorder in my hand. But I was sure I had been recording it, so I wondered, did I fall back asleep while recording and put the recorder back under my pillow while I was asleep?
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): or was I just dreaming that I was recording it?
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Riddle Sideways: oooooooo waiting to hear the 'rest of the story'
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I had to get the recorder out and listen to the last entry to convince myself that I had not actually recorded the dream. I had been carefully describing the dream while I was still asleep and dreaming
    Agatha Macbeth thinks of men and butterflies...
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): so then I had to describe the whole dream AGAIN to get it onto my voice recorder LOL
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
    Eliza Madrigal: what I was thinking too Agatha ^.^
    Eliza Madrigal smiles, love it
    Agatha Macbeth Lizhugs
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear, a loop
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Staying in the loop'
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): it made me laugh, afterwards
    Agatha Macbeth: Not surprised
    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if an expert would say this was a good thing... lines getting stranger
    Agatha Macbeth: It would have freaked me out
    Zen (Zen Arado): recording dreaming of recording
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the zone at the edge of sleep is strange and fascinating
    Agatha Macbeth: Limnal
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Zen (Zen Arado): yes maybe we can allow less 'normalaity' in dreams?
    Riddle Sideways: wha?
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): and yes, my actual recording of the dream includes the part about dreaming I was recording it
    Eliza Madrigal: less illusion of normality perhaps
    Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully Zennny :p
    Zen (Zen Arado): our logical minds rearranging them itno a plausible story
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): that's all for me
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm seeing a lot of commonality in these experiences, not sure if others are
    Zen (Zen Arado): thanks Alma
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, to have talked all the way through, Alma
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes TY
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): no problem Riddle
    Agatha Macbeth inspects Tura, thinking how cute she is
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, see commonality themes and work.  But, normality never is near dreams here
    Tura Brezoianu: !
    Riddle Sideways: umm, nor in RL
    Zen (Zen Arado): is thinking in a dream a sign of lucidity?
    Riddle Sideways: oh
    Eliza Madrigal: I would say moments stand out both in RL and Dream Life, that seem lucid or uncanny or odd, and maybe like a mosaic they form some impression over all
    Zen (Zen Arado): if you can think then you aren't just unconscious?
    Eliza Madrigal: or, many patterns like that, just a different way of reading/seeing
    Agatha Macbeth: Déja vu is a glitch in the Matrix
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I often think in my dreams, but they aren't lucid
    Eliza Madrigal: Is that your question from before Zen?
    Zen (Zen Arado): yes
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): my thinking in dreams always assumes that I am awake
    Zen (Zen Arado): most dreams are automatized
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, thinking in dreams seems normal to me, having interior/exterior
    Zen (Zen Arado): (thinking like Charles Tart here)
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): in my dreams I think about what is happening and what I should do, but always with the assumption that I am awake
    Tura Brezoianu: I think ordinarily in dreams, but I never think about my thinking
    Zen (Zen Arado): was just a silly dream I had
    Eliza Madrigal: nice distinction
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I've actually had some interesting intellectual conversations with dream characters
    Zen (Zen Arado): about a guy I used to work with
    Tura Brezoianu: that sounds interesting Alma
    Zen (Zen Arado): he was in a dream and I suddenly remembered he died more than 30 years ago
    Zen (Zen Arado): but woke up then
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Eliza Madrigal: I long for those kinds of dreams :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I love talking to long lost people
    Zen (Zen Arado): happens more often as you get older :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Riddle Sideways: dream characters are great to have interesting intellectual conversations with...   they shutup and listen.  and have answers like they thought about it
    Agatha Macbeth: Not to me :(
    Eliza Madrigal: isn't it hard to sustain a whole conversation in a dream?
    Zen (Zen Arado): for me yes
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): it's hard for me to remember conversations from dreams
    Riddle Sideways: most often, but sometimes the horse and I can talk for a long time while going someplace
    Zen (Zen Arado): one or two lines just
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: some describe receiving a 'download'
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): they make sense while I'm having them, but looking back at them after waking, I can't seem to understand them
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Riddle Sideways: check for virus' in your downloads
    Eliza Madrigal: a dream zip file
    Agatha Macbeth pokes Rid
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): oh my, can we have viruses in our dreams? can our dreams be hacked?
    Agatha Macbeth ponders dreamgriefing
    Riddle Sideways: think that Bleu has those dreams where an inspiration for another comes
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Bless her
    Eliza Madrigal: There is an avatar who has a sim that focuses on Parkinsons, and she describes receiving a download to make the place
    Eliza Madrigal: has done a lot of 'good work' in SL
    Riddle Sideways: some good Sci-fi stories and movies on dream hacking and viruseses
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Inception
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I just hope Microsoft doesn't try to install an update to my REM sleep
    Zen (Zen Arado): think I met that woman and her mother
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Zen (Zen Arado): who has Parkinsons
    Eliza Madrigal: yes Zen, same person
    Riddle Sideways: Dreams 2.0
    Zen (Zen Arado): your brain will crash Alma :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Son of Dreams
    Eliza Madrigal: of all we've talked about in this time, what has helped most?
    Riddle Sideways: nice getting us back, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: wandering is part of the path :))
    Zen (Zen Arado): thinking about allowing dreams to be their own complexity
    Agatha Macbeth: Long and winding road
    Riddle Sideways: would say, mostly it is the spending time with dream journal and fitbit
    Zen (Zen Arado): not forcing them into a 'normal' mode
    Eliza Madrigal: nice
    Zen (Zen Arado): tonight you mean ?
    Eliza Madrigal: no, the whole time
    Eliza Madrigal: we've learned a lot from the excerpts and from one another, and from ourselves :)
    Riddle Sideways: oh!! and setting straight lines up in the chat air for Aggers to spike
    Agatha Macbeth: Moi?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I would say, just keeping the question of dream and reality in the forefront
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): maintaining a dream journal for this long is quite an accomplishment for me, and I couldn't do it without this group
    Zen (Zen Arado): think it is helping me see the unreality of 'consensus consciousness' in daily life too
    Riddle Sideways: right
    Agatha Macbeth: Funny how people speak of the forefront but never the hindback
    Eliza Madrigal: wonderful to hear
    Eliza Madrigal: that's what dreams are for perhaps Aggers :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm, could be
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I agree Zen
    Zen (Zen Arado): my dreams are also becoming more vivid and I remember more
    Riddle Sideways: need more research on hindback
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I am seeing the correlation between my state of mind in dreams and when awake
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): I am beginning to think that I will not be able to have lucid dreams until I have become more lucid in waking life
    Eliza Madrigal: is your reading helping that?
    Riddle Sideways: whoops, Alma nailed it
    Eliza Madrigal: hah, nods
    Zen (Zen Arado): yeh me too
    Zen (Zen Arado): can I share a dream?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes please do
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): please do
    Zen (Zen Arado): want to namedrop :)
    Eliza Madrigal leans in
    Zen (Zen Arado): anybody know Michael O'Keefe
    Zen (Zen Arado): movie actor?
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): the name is vaguely familiar
    Agatha Macbeth: Nope
    Zen (Zen Arado): he is also a Zen priest and comes to Ireland for retreats sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal: after googling, yes, recognize
    Zen (Zen Arado): anyway...I had a long dream. Michael O'Keeffe was in it. We were in someone's house and he was teaching. Then there was some singing and there was a guitar I played some chords. I told Michael that I didn't believe all that teachers and gurus told me but he seemed to disagree. He was always very into Zen. There was a Catholic priest there and I seemed to be looking up at him as if he was in a pulpit. I asked him if he put a Catholic frame around everything, which he didn't like very much. Then there was a transition and I was up in a plane. Michael O'Keeffe told me to jump and it will be okay, so I did and landed easily on the ground.
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): oh, nice!
    Zen (Zen Arado): very N.Irish dream..:)
    Eliza Madrigal: whoa
    Agatha Macbeth: Funny, I dreamed somebody wanted me to do a parachute jump
    Riddle Sideways: also Googled and found Michael O'Keefe is 35% off on Amazon
    Agatha Macbeth: I ran away and hid
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Agatha
    Zen (Zen Arado): thought yesterday of 100 foot pole hmm
    Agatha Macbeth: Even in a dream I wasn't doing *that*
    Eliza Madrigal: I was just typing that Zen :P
    Zen (Zen Arado): ha ha
    Eliza Madrigal: but it is true... same kind of question/answer
    Zen (Zen Arado): he gave me a book of his poems that he signed
    Eliza Madrigal: you've been pondering 10 years that I know of
    Agatha Macbeth: There are more questions than answers
    Zen (Zen Arado): gotta jump....
    Agatha Macbeth: So said Johnny Nash
    Eliza Madrigal: in the dream Zen, or RL? (poems)
    Zen (Zen Arado): no in RL
    Zen (Zen Arado): he visited me
    Zen (Zen Arado): poems about his father
    Zen (Zen Arado): a lot of them anyway
    Eliza Madrigal: lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, I see to be without a quote today
    Zen (Zen Arado): I had a real movie actor in my apartment :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Riddle Sideways: ㋡
    Riddle Sideways: name dropper ㋡
    Zen (Zen Arado): ha ha
    Eliza Madrigal: "A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." Yoko Ono
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm
    Zen (Zen Arado): thanks Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: Tank you m'dear
    Zen (Zen Arado): All you need is love'
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): and chocolate
    Agatha Macbeth: See you Thursday
    Personal Guardian Pages
    Eliza Madrigal: btw, I've started putting some of my dreams on the wiki in my guardian pages
    Eliza Madrigal: Alma and Tura, you may not know about this spot...
    Eliza Madrigal: but people use it very differently, if they do
    Riddle Sideways whispers: saw that
    Tura Brezoianu: this spot?
    Eliza Madrigal: I wouldn't put everything there, but wanted some space to kind of sift out...
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): secret pages?
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll show you the link
    Eliza Madrigal: https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Guardian_Pages
    Eliza Madrigal: there are lots of things here (prob could be better organized) but also personal pages
    Eliza Madrigal: Calvino's pages are especially detailed
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ok, thank you
    Eliza Madrigal: If you would like a page but are hesitant to make it, I'll make it for you
    Eliza Madrigal: just say the word :)
    Riddle Sideways: Eliza the pagemaker
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): do we have permission to create pages?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes you do
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): ok, maybe I will do that as a place to put some dreams too
    Eliza Madrigal: so far it seems just a little helpful, but in the big picture one never knows
    Eliza Madrigal: like, I'm sure I wouldn't have shared the cookie dream unless it was already there :)
    Zen (Zen Arado): our dreams could become famous?
    Zen (Zen Arado): :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I think they blend together a bit between us at times
    Riddle Sideways: might be easier, faster to compose dreams or reports there and give links instead of pasting
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe, especially if a long dream
    Zen (Zen Arado): joint dream collection?
    Tura Brezoianu has just created a guardian page
    Eliza Madrigal: wonderful :))
    Riddle Sideways: ta da
    Eliza Madrigal: you live between Sophia P and Wol
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd better go before I eat this whole box of crackers
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen (Zen Arado): me too
    Zen (Zen Arado): byee everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: nice to see everyone :)) I'll send an email next week
    Tura Brezoianu: bye all
    Eliza Madrigal: but not right before
    Riddle Sideways: ok, thanks All
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks very much
    Zen (Zen Arado): is offline.
    Eliza Madrigal: bye for now
    Beginning Greetings and Business:
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen, Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: hi hi
    Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Eliza, Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: Eliza, the note (thank you) did not tp
    Eliza Madrigal: note?
    Eliza Madrigal whispers: didn't I attach a LM?
    Riddle Sideways: well that would do it
    Riddle Sideways: however, like that the HUD comes right here
    Riddle Sideways: no walking at all
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I like to send the LM sometimes, just in case someone might hesitate due to not having the HUD
    Zen (Zen Arado): was thinking I could donate my land to pab
    Riddle Sideways: HUD is usually detached
    Eliza Madrigal: ah
    Riddle Sideways: but, easy to find
    Zen (Zen Arado): could I have my little cottage here?
    Riddle Sideways: sure
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure something could be figured out
    Eliza Madrigal: you could live on my spot
    Eliza Madrigal: all I have is the sprinkler downstairs :))
    Riddle Sideways: not sure if plots are going to be shifted around
    Zen (Zen Arado): I have 1024 sq M as premium member
    Riddle Sideways: Eliza, could go back to a 1,024 now
    Riddle Sideways: or donate
    Eliza Madrigal: have offered to donate the additional
    Eliza Madrigal: we need 8 people for it to be worthwhile
    Zen (Zen Arado): or just donate and not bother having a plot?
    Eliza Madrigal: and I think we have 5 already
    Eliza Madrigal: I like to have a space in the sky to play with clothes :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but otherwise it would be great for someone to make better use of the land at bottom Zen
    Zen (Zen Arado): I like to check my music stream sometimes
    Riddle Sideways: there was a email, note or talk that to get (abandoned) lland back from the lindens you have to put in a ticket
    Eliza Madrigal nods, things like that
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, that sounds complicated
    Eliza Madrigal: Riddle?
    (accidental teleport away and back)
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry! I keep doing that
    Riddle Sideways: not too complicated the way Storm explained
    Riddle Sideways: but Storm makes everything sound easy
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :) Bleu too
    Eliza Madrigal: for now Zen, just let Stevenaia know what you have in mind
    Zen (Zen Arado): ok
    Riddle Sideways: if we expand the land group more, if need to get the abandoned land back from LL
    Zen (Zen Arado): was just watching another Harari vid
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I see
    Riddle Sideways: grow Buyeo more
    Eliza Madrigal: He did a course, too, somewhere Zen. I took it... perhaps coursera
    Eliza Madrigal: good video?
    Zen (Zen Arado): fascinating
    Zen (Zen Arado): about how doctors will become obsolete
    Zen (Zen Arado): and others
    Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Alma
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alma, Tura :)
    Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Tura
    Tura Brezoianu: evening all
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): hi Eliza, Riddle, Tura, Zen
    Riddle Sideways: hi Tura & Alma
    Eliza Madrigal: I will miss session next week, btw
    Zen (Zen Arado): oh
    Eliza Madrigal: So notices may not happen, but more importantly, chats are posted from hard drive here
    Riddle Sideways: oh! then we should cancel
    Eliza Madrigal: so more complicated then at the pavilion
    Riddle Sideways: can't do this without ya
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, please don't
    Zen (Zen Arado): yes
    Eliza Madrigal: I love getting to read when I haven't been in one I usually go to :))
    Zen (Zen Arado): we'll have a week off
    Zen (Zen Arado): yay
    Eliza Madrigal: we just had weeks and weeks off :P
    Eliza Madrigal: if someone saves their chat, I'm happy to edit and post it
    Riddle Sideways: no was just kidding, no rest for you Zen
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: yup, have to keep gleaning for us Zen
    Zen (Zen Arado): well I don't like leading meetings
    Zen (Zen Arado): somebody else do it
    Zen (Zen Arado): I can sti;; do excerpts
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
    Eliza Madrigal: everyone's a decent host....
    Zen (Zen Arado): Hi Aggers
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
    Eliza Madrigal: a leader isn't really needed here... since everyone has interest
    Eliza Madrigal: so no need to drive anything :)
    Zen (Zen Arado): 7 leaders ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Agatha, can you save the chat log from next week for me?
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Now they will elect a new chancellor...a strong chancellor!' :P
    Eliza Madrigal: sure, why not :))
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Riddle Sideways: have gotten spoiled by the recorder at the pavillion
    Agatha Macbeth: How can I save next week's chat lon? ;P
    Agatha Macbeth: or log even
    Agatha Macbeth calls up Dr Who
    Riddle Sideways: not sure where the macros to pretty print logs are anymore
    Eliza Madrigal: by showing up here, and then it is from hard drive like at the ampitheatre
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh OK
    Eliza Madrigal: Agatha is a master at getting rid of timestamps!
    Agatha Macbeth: Without timestamps
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Alma di Masala (Almadi Masala): stamp out time!
    Agatha Macbeth: And just post it as normal?
    Eliza Madrigal: hhaha
    Eliza Madrigal: Alma is already in dream mode
    Eliza Madrigal: You can post, or send to me and I will
    Riddle Sideways: ㋡
    Eliza Madrigal: either way :)
    Agatha Macbeth: We should get the PaB Scribe tag back...
    Agatha Macbeth: Naaw I'll do it
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks a lot
    Agatha Macbeth: Makes me feel useful
    Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
    Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
    Riddle Sideways: aw
    Agatha Macbeth: ♥
    Agatha Macbeth: I never knew we recorded these
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