2018.05.31 13:00 - Conference of the Birds 6

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Mick. The comments are by Agatha.


    Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
    Mickorod Renard: Hii Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Mick!
    Mickorod Renard: yay, missed you monday
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeppers. Do the Closing on the farm sale.
    Bruce Mowbray: Doing*
    Mickorod Renard: ah!, did it go ok?
    Bruce Mowbray: All done now.
    Mickorod Renard: great
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, without a hitch.
    Mickorod Renard: must be a relief
    Bruce Mowbray: I cannot even express how much of a relief it is.
    Agatha Macbeth: Bonsoir mes amis
    Mickorod Renard: one day I must put my affairs right
    Mickorod Renard: ayup me duck
    Agatha Macbeth: You're having an affair?
    Mickorod Renard: if only..he he
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Agatha Macbeth: Naughty boy
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay Blubster is back
    Agatha Macbeth: Lizzy
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Liz
    Eliza Madrigal: Hellooooo <3
    Agatha Macbeth waaaaaves
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou for the video the other day Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: cuuute outfit Agatha :)
    Agatha Macbeth beams
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, most welcome Mick
    Agatha Macbeth: A naughty film?
    Eliza Madrigal: of course
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Me next then :p
    Mickorod Renard: I must admit to having not watched all as yet, I was away amd need to give it full attention
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
    Mickorod Renard: very in depth
    Eliza Madrigal: that's fine... was just something I thought you might find value in - re 'equanimity'
    Agatha Macbeth: Bleuji :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I see Stormy on the horizon
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Agatha Macbeth: Here he is
    Bleu Oleander: hi Storm :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind: Good afternoon :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Storm
    Mickorod Renard: just going dark here
    Agatha Macbeth: Still light tho
    Storm Nordwind: True. Afterafternoon then :)
    Agatha Macbeth: God aften
    Mickorod Renard: def that
    Bruce Mowbray: [back from phone call]
    Eliza Madrigal waves hello to Bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: Was it the bank?
    Mickorod Renard: well, we had a session on Monday but didnt nes want to go over that again if everyone has read the logs?
    Bruce Mowbray: no, it was two doctors
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow one's bad enough
    Mickorod Renard: and if we have more reports then we could move into those
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Mickorod Renard: is Bruce on the phone?
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm nearly caught up I think, and took some notes, but not sure they'll have place until we begin to converse
    Bruce Mowbray is listening.
    Bruce Mowbray: not own phone.
    Mickorod Renard: kk
    Bruce Mowbray: on
    Agatha Macbeth: He has his antlers tuned in
    Bruce Mowbray is listening for Eliza's report
    Agatha Macbeth: Go Liz
    Eliza Madrigal: no report :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes, please let us hear your notes Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Mickorod Renard: if you could
    Mickorod Renard: if not I can post my jottings from Monday
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, not really.. would appreciate waiting to sort of get into the swing of session
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks!
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    Agatha Macbeth swings as best she can
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: anyone want to input rather than me?
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder where Tura is
    Mickorod Renard: maybe felt was enough on Monday?
    Bruce Mowbray: May be Mick or someone could help us by summarizing Monday's discussion.
    Eliza Madrigal: Tura wasn't at dream session this week too, so maybe traveling or somesuch
    Agatha Macbeth: Possibly
    Bruce Mowbray: have we reached the part where the birds actually begin the journey?
    Bruce Mowbray: because I haven't read that far yet.
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't think so
    Eliza Madrigal: I haven't
    Bruce Mowbray: okay.
    Mickorod Renard: Bruce, I think this is the moment
    Agatha Macbeth: Still pontificating
    Mickorod Renard: that they are getting ready
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Mickorod Renard: I found one or two poems that I found moving
    Storm Nordwind: If only they had walked a step for every word uttered, they'd have been there already.
    Bleu Oleander: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    Eliza Madrigal: re Monday's session (read before but just re-scanned), yes Storm does give great hugs :)
    Mickorod Renard: I am still unsure they need to go anywhere
    Storm Nordwind beams
    Agatha Macbeth looks across expectantly :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I think ts a journey within oneself
    Eliza Madrigal: I keep trying to translate the text more into our time
    Agatha Macbeth listens to Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: so imposing aliens, or high tech
    Eliza Madrigal: hoopoe trying to get everyone into the space ship
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bleu Oleander: ponders high tech birds :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Mickorod Renard: just that, as we cannot really change anything much that the change must come from ourselves
    Bleu Oleander: thinks twitter
    Bruce Mowbray: you mean aliens aren't necessary?
    Eliza Madrigal: but we have models for change? for what is possible?
    Mickorod Renard: some find it from a relationship through religion, others in other ways
    Bleu Oleander: its all change?
    Mickorod Renard: yes, the whole everything is in constant change
    Mickorod Renard: like sun burns out and matter changes from one thing to another
    Mickorod Renard: but we like to get fixed on things, possess
    Mickorod Renard: attachments
    Bruce Mowbray: so in the physical world of space and time, everything changes.... how about in the realm that the hoopoe is talking about?
    Mickorod Renard: what about impermanence?
    Eliza Madrigal: I hear guidance toward so-called deeper virtues
    Bruce Mowbray: do things change there?
    Bruce Mowbray: I hear guidance toward surrender.
    Mickorod Renard: I am unsure what the Hoopoe will reveal if it does.but I too believe it will be surrender
    Eliza Madrigal: to death?
    Mickorod Renard: to inevitability and to not holding onto
    Bruce Mowbray: to the death of things material that can be possessed... or identified with.... perhaps
    Bruce Mowbray: fetishes...
    Agatha Macbeth looks up
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: well, maybe we could make acceptions
    Bleu Oleander: is it important to believe in things not material? what is not material in some sense?
    Bruce Mowbray listens and partially agrees with Bleu...
    Eliza Madrigal: I found myself making the comparison with seeking happiness vs. seeking what makes for happiness
    Bruce Mowbray: aren't the birds seeking happiness?
    Bleu Oleander: we're poor judges of that if you read psychology today
    Mickorod Renard: many of the birds seem happy without the trip
    Bleu Oleander: most popular course at Yale is one on happiness
    Mickorod Renard: almost forced into it
    Mickorod Renard: but they have a choice
    Agatha Macbeth: Good to know
    Eliza Madrigal: there was a portion ... (hope close to this week's reading)
    If in this world you seek
    for happiness You are asleep,
    your search is meaningless --
    If you seek happiness
    you would do well To think
    of that thin bridge arched over hell. *
    The world’s apparent joy cannot compare
    With what we seek -- it isn’t worth a hair;
    Here the Self rages like an unquenched fire,
    And nothing satisfies the heart’s desire --
    Encompass all the earth, you will not find
    One happy heart or one contented mind.

    Eliza Madrigal: And then a footnote that this is a symbol from another work, wherein the bridge is a character test. So the lesson is about seeking virtue. * Sirat: a hair-thin bridge over the pit of hell. The good will be able to cross it; the wicked will slip and plunge into the pit (cf.the ‘brig o’ dread’ in the “Lyke Wake Dirge”)
    Eliza Madrigal: Or at least that's how I read it... that seeking deeper than one's mere happiness would be more durable
    Bruce Mowbray: but even by the hoopoe's way of thinking, if one truly loved hell, which she not be thereby transported it to heaven?
    Bruce Mowbray: would she not*
    Bruce Mowbray: The Dragon is putting in extra words today, sorry.
    Eliza Madrigal: the hoopoe doesn't seem like he would tell them ahead of time :))
    Bruce Mowbray: are you saying that the hoopoe wants them to discover love for themselves?
    Eliza Madrigal: no other way
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Storm Nordwind: The hoopoe says or implies he knows best for them, better than they do themselves. (That would be an annoying person in real life!)
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like my mother
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: in my own experience, I had to go very far into the darkness before I could see any of the light that the hoopoe seems to be talking about.
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps this is about fidelity..some believe they are right and as such are in some way just
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps the wrong words but if you know what I mean
    Bruce Mowbray: that's one of the reasons I consider the foibles to be Dharma Gates... If one struggles long enough and deeply enough with one's foibles, one may feel the only recourse is surrender.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Agatha Macbeth: Here she is
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Tura :)
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Tura Brezoianu: hi all, sorry I'm so late
    Tura Brezoianu: stuff
    Agatha Macbeth: We forgive you
    Mickorod Renard: there was another reference about some poor soul who was not a follower of islam but was still just in their own faith
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Tura. We've been waiting for you.
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Tura
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Seymore please, Mick.
    Bruce Mowbray: Say more.
    Mickorod Renard: I meant that if one is knowingly commiting crimes even tho following some sort of religion then that is wrong
    Mickorod Renard: wheras a person misguided but rightious and such is better
    Mickorod Renard: not that I am saying any religion is correct
    Mickorod Renard: virtuous is maybe better
    Agatha Macbeth: They're as correct as each other :p
    Mickorod Renard: yes, perhaps they are intimating that the name of religion is secondary
    Eliza Madrigal: @Bleu, just read what you were saying about the positive psych research/course at Yale. I took that and am nodding agreement. Much more interesting than I thought it would be.
    Mickorod Renard: which in our case is good
    Eliza Madrigal: Seeking happiness may be a religion we don't call a religion
    Bleu Oleander: yes me too Eliza
    Mickorod Renard: seeking happiness through greed might be wrong?
    Bruce Mowbray: The hoopoe's audience are persons raised in the Islamic tradition, so naturally they would be Sufis and such . . . who would feel that anyone outside of Islam didn't have the "True" faith . . . but I think the hoop Pole puts that down.
    Bruce Mowbray: hoopoe*
    Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce, I felt refreshed when I noticed that, if I am not mistaken
    Eliza Madrigal: I know the text speaks in terms of good and evil but I sort of translate it out as deeper/shallow, if that makes sense... so devoted/dabbler, etc
    Bruce Mowbray loves deeper.
    Eliza Madrigal: Sufis were not embraced by all of Islam, isn't that correct? that we talked about before. Sort of extreme?
    Mickorod Renard: there is some historical element that where the author was living , he may have felt he had to clothe the poem in Islam?
    Eliza Madrigal: extremely personal I mean
    Bruce Mowbray: Sufis, as I understand it, were Muslim mystics.
    Agatha Macbeth: There's a school of thought that they actually predate Islam
    Agatha Macbeth: pre-date (not eat)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: just as the Hassidim are Jewish mystics.
    Bruce Mowbray: if you mean institutional Islam, aggers, I'd agree with that.
    Tura Brezoianu: Howdo you tell the bottle from the wine though?
    Agatha Macbeth pulls Brucie's antlers
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Mickorod Renard: If we try and look through the veil of religion, and focus on what they are purporting, I think its some Love for what is simple and natural
    Agatha Macbeth: The wine tastes better :p
    Bruce Mowbray: indeed, how do you tell the bottle from the wine? wonderful question
    Storm Nordwind: Sufis were and still are sometimes harassed by mainstream Muslims.
    Agatha Macbeth: Like the Yazidi Kurds
    Bruce Mowbray: well, I think you could say exactly the same thing for Christian mystics, Storm.
    Mickorod Renard: a letting go of ones idea that grabbing at material things will make us happy and that loving each other is free and pleantyful
    Storm Nordwind: Always, Bruce, though I don't think they have ever achieved the institution status of Sufism.
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, Mick, I agree that letting go is essential -- even letting go of one's belief system.
    Eliza Madrigal: perhaps seeking ecstatic experiences is seen as unwise or just aesthetically bothersome, by mainstream religions?
    Eliza Madrigal: "we are civilized now"
    Bruce Mowbray: could point, Storm... in Christianity mystics usually end up as monastics.
    Agatha Macbeth: Is loving each other is free and plentyful tho?
    Bruce Mowbray: or often do, anyway.
    Bruce Mowbray: or hermits.
    Agatha Macbeth: One is sorry
    Storm Nordwind: They feel threatened Eliza. "If it ain't written down in the book, it ain't right"
    Mickorod Renard: Ags, there is a risk of being taken advantage of
    Eliza Madrigal: but usually there are writings!
    Bruce Mowbray: I think the quest for ecstasy is core . . . but somehow the ecstasy happens almost in spite of the quest, not as a result of it.
    Agatha Macbeth: The book is somewhat out of date, no?
    Storm Nordwind: "Our book is the Truth. Your book is fake news."
    Eliza Madrigal: getting the wine to the destination. maybe if you break it open too early you get lost
    Eliza Madrigal: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: True Liz
    Bruce Mowbray: I am remembering that Joseph Campbell quoted C,G, Jung's saying, " The purpose of all organized religion is to protect people from the God experience."
    Agatha Macbeth: He might be right too
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, that brings back, at least my notion of imposed morality v virtue
    Bruce Mowbray: the ancient Hebrews believed that even uttering the name of God was too much.....
    Bruce Mowbray: let alone building churches around it.
    Eliza Madrigal: guarding the mystery?
    Agatha Macbeth: YHWH isn't the easiest thing to say anyway
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Bruce Mowbray: right, it cannot even be written.
    Storm Nordwind: Editor, scrub that line!
    Tura Brezoianu: I haven't noticed God experiences breaking in since leaving behind my very unzealously Christian upbringing
    Agatha Macbeth: Noted
    Mickorod Renard: there is something wonderful about doing something real nice, but there is a fear that we may give too much away..? but that is a hurdle, and beyond total commitment is perhaps an ecstacy?
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe G is moving in mysterious ways Tu
    Bleu Oleander: sorry must sneak out early today :)
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Bleu, gtsy
    Agatha Macbeth: Awww
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Bruce Mowbray: I can honestly say that I was never truly open to a "God experience'" until I gave up religion altogether
    Bleu Oleander: bye all
    Mickorod Renard: bye Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: Love to doggy
    Tura Brezoianu: bye Bleu
    Bruce Mowbray: bye Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: I have similar questions Tura, not that there are no experiences, but that they are quite different in nature.
    Mickorod Renard: As I have said before, I was not up for a God experience, in fact I was so consumed with my control issue and loosing it that it was inconvenient, however as it turned out letting go was the best thing
    Bruce Mowbray identifies with Mick's experience
    Agatha Macbeth identifies with Mick's shirt
    Bruce Mowbray ponders inconvenience and ecstasy.
    Eliza Madrigal: There are a few snippets of texts from other sources I made note of, not knowing whether they would be meaningful to others but I kept thinking of them while reading and trying to feel the spirit beneath the text. May I share them?
    Mickorod Renard: I think, on reflection..I found that any human I had trusted I found I could not. trusting in something outside human entity became my way out
    Agatha Macbeth: Give me ecstasy any day
    Bruce Mowbray: please do, Eliza.
    Agatha Macbeth: Pls do Liz
    Mickorod Renard: go for it Liz
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay, ty
    Eliza Madrigal: Not that which the eye can see, but that whereby the eye can see:
    know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;
    Not that which the ear can hear, but that whereby the ear can hear:
    know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;
    Not that which speech can illuminate, but that by which speech can be illuminated:
    know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;
    Not that which the mind can think, but that whereby the mind can think:
    know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore. (Kena Upanishad)

    Eliza Madrigal: (I felt this speaks to the spirit of renunciation and the deep/shallow thing)
    Eliza Madrigal: And a snippet from one of my favorite texts, the Song of Enlightenment:
    Just take hold of the source
    And never mind the branches.
    It is like a treasure-moon
    Enclosed in a beautiful emerald.
    Now I understand this Mani-jewel
    And my gain is the gain of everyone endlessly.

    Eliza Madrigal: (done)

    Agatha Macbeth: Interesting that Mani gets in there
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind: The first one from Kena Upanishad is reminiscent of drop what you have to see what you are.
    Bruce Mowbray: Ecstasy = "to stand outside of" (a "vision" of Reality outside of one's familiar space, ideas, beliefs, traditions, possessions. . . .) - - Is that what Eliza's song is referencing?
    Mickorod Renard: very nice Eliza, and I thank you for such a great ....thing
    Eliza Madrigal nods Storm... and the projector analogy
    Storm Nordwind: indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: that's a nice question Bruce... like whirling in suspension?
    Bruce Mowbray: could be, yes.
    Bruce Mowbray: or sitting perfectly still, perhaps.
    Mickorod Renard: he he ,
    Agatha Macbeth: Wouldn't know Brucie, can't do it :p
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Storm Nordwind: Also Eliza, it's appreciating the presence of appearance as a presentation by Being
    Bruce Mowbray: have you ever met anyone who was literally incapable of sitting still without saying anything for 20 minutes? I have.
    Mickorod Renard: before my mum refered to me being like Rasputin, she called me a whirling dervis
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, Mick, and my mom called me " perpetual sound and motion"
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Agatha Macbeth: Know the feeling
    Bruce Mowbray: I was a good case for Ritalin as a child, probably
    Bruce Mowbray: thank goodness it had not been invented yet.
    Agatha Macbeth: Rasputin and ritalin
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Didn't Ataturk ban the dervishes BTW?
    Mickorod Renard: I am impressed we dug out such great conversation after a bit of an early stall
    Bruce Mowbray: it would make sense if he did.
    Agatha Macbeth: In 1923
    Bruce Mowbray: that would fit the frame, I think.
    Bruce Mowbray: sometimes a stall helps the dig.
    Agatha Macbeth: He wanted to break with the past I think
    Bruce Mowbray wonders why he is not seen Raffi at these sessions recently....
    Agatha Macbeth: She was here on Tue for a while I think
    Storm Nordwind: Do not appreciate the conversation Mick, but that whereby you can appreciate the conversation.
    Bruce Mowbray: by the way, has anyone heard from Pila recently?
    Eliza Madrigal: also unrelated (but related in a weird way), psychedelics are being allowed to be studied again now - ecstatic quests
    Bruce Mowbray: the volcano is getting worse by the day.
    Eliza Madrigal grins Storm
    Mickorod Renard: just as a matter of interest, I am finding that if I give myself totally to my grandkids I find them so much fun as opposed to being frustratingly annoying
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
    Storm Nordwind: Pila is fine, apart from vog 
    Mickorod Renard: he he Storm, ty
    Agatha Macbeth: Great
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, Mick, I've read a few articles on "microdosing" in the mainline magazines.
    Agatha Macbeth: He has a lot of affinity with that volcano anyway
    Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce? never heard of that
    Bruce Mowbray: vog - fog + volcanic gases.
    Bruce Mowbray: vog equals fog + volcanic gases.
    Eliza Madrigal: Michael Pollan is coming out with a book about it (it was me)
    Bruce Mowbray: about diet?
    Agatha Macbeth: Pollan count
    Eliza Madrigal: about psychedelic quests and their potential benefits
    Bruce Mowbray: Pollan is BIG on food.
    Mickorod Renard: I am lost, volcano or diet?
    Bruce Mowbray: ahhhh, I will look out for that.
    Agatha Macbeth: A la Castaneda?
    Mickorod Renard: ah
    Eliza Madrigal: he describes a man while dying having an ecstatic experience that is quite like what mystics convey
    Eliza Madrigal: beautiful
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow.
    Bruce Mowbray: this reminds me of Weil.
    Bruce Mowbray: https://www.drweil.com/
    Mickorod Renard: I sort of am quite looking forward to reading the next part now
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh not Kurt
    Mickorod Renard: opening now, might crash
    Tura Brezoianu: And not Simone
    Agatha Macbeth: We'll catch you
    Bruce Mowbray: can you tell us the heading of the part where we can all get together on it by Monday, Mick?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes that would be good
    Bruce Mowbray: sort of all on the same page, as it were.
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't wait for them to get their wings in gear
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes please. :) Am still not able to make it Mondays but am reading!
    Bruce Mowbray: or the same pixel....
    Agatha Macbeth: Pixel pages
    Storm Nordwind: heading: Zuleikha has Joseph whipped
    Mickorod Renard: yes, hold on
    Bruce Mowbray: if you have the name of the section --- okay thank you.
    Eliza Madrigal: ty!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah getting to the good stuff :p
    Bruce Mowbray: I will make an MP3 for that and post it online.
    Agatha Macbeth: Thanks Brucie
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Bruce

    Mickorod Renard: read from 31st may line 3170 p177 (Zuleikha has joseph whipped) to 3693 ish (The Valley of Unity) read from 7th June line 3693 ish p206 (The Valley of Unity) to 4130 ish (The Journey) read from 14th June line 4130 p229 (The Journey) to 4455 The end

    Mickorod Renard: bye Bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: Got it
    Bruce Mowbray also got it.
    Eliza Madrigal: warming up to the journey is most of the battle it seems :)
    Mickorod Renard: great
    Agatha Macbeth: Ain't it always?
    Storm Nordwind: Are we there yet?
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm off to scrape up supper. . . .
    Agatha Macbeth: I never said that as a kid
    Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
    Agatha Macbeth: Be well
    Tura Brezoianu: goodnight Bruce
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Bruce Mowbray: be well, good people!
    Mickorod Renard: byeee
    Agatha Macbeth waves too
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Bruce!
    Mickorod Renard: wow
    Agatha Macbeth: He's right, we are good
    Mickorod Renard: its funny, I keep getting the feeling we cover similar ground with each book we do
    Storm Nordwind: No he meant the good people among us to be well. The evil ones, he didn't say
    Eliza Madrigal: "is that the same tree?"
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe there's only one book :p

    Agatha Macbeth: Feeling horny Liz?
    Storm Nordwind: Good people I must go now too. And the rest of you ;)
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Storm!
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Mickorod Renard: maybe there is only one truth? :)
    Mickorod Renard: bye Storm
    Agatha Macbeth: TC Stormy
    Eliza Madrigal: this is only fun because I so often opt for the halo
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Agatha Macbeth: Halo halo halo

    An event looms

    Mickorod Renard: what was that thingy you sent an email on Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: the event this weekend?
    Mickorod Renard: someone doing a meditation?
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that a harp in your hand or are you just glad to see me?
    Eliza Madrigal: He is actually a friend of Bruce's
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh great
    Mickorod Renard: ah, i think i met him once
    Eliza Madrigal: and I'm not sure what the session will entail but he describes it as "inner voice meditation"
    Mickorod Renard: is it sat or sun?
    Eliza Madrigal: He came to the poetry event
    Eliza Madrigal: June 2, so I think Saturday
    Mickorod Renard: thats right
    Mickorod Renard: I will try and make it
    Eliza Madrigal: seems nice, but quite busy so it has been hard to get clear details all in order with him
    Eliza Madrigal: great
    Mickorod Renard: but need headphones etc?
    Agatha Macbeth: Do we know what time?
    Eliza Madrigal: need to be able to hear voice
    Eliza Madrigal: 2pm SLT
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok
    Eliza Madrigal: Tentatively, it will be in the meditation area
    Mickorod Renard: ok, we wont speak tho?
    Eliza Madrigal: but I'll send a LM beforehand
    Eliza Madrigal: I don't think we need to speak
    Agatha Macbeth: A tentative meditation?
    Eliza Madrigal: and he has a notecard for those who can't hear
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: 'This may enlighten you or it may not'
    Eliza Madrigal: aren't they all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: we'll see if it is a good fit with the group
    Mickorod Renard: that is the question
    Tura Brezoianu: I shall look forward to it. Is the venue on the PaB HUD?
    Eliza Madrigal: if so, he may come more often
    Eliza Madrigal: If it takes place in the retreat space, it isn't on the HUD...
    Eliza Madrigal: let me give you a LM but I'll also send in the group note
    Mickorod Renard: I remember a few famous folk doing talks in the past, like neon chompski
    Eliza Madrigal: Did you receive it? My mouse keeps sticking
    Agatha Macbeth: Here?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh yes that was neat, Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: Ara asked him a question
    Agatha Macbeth ponders a sticky mouse
    Tura Brezoianu: No, I didn't
    Eliza Madrigal: let me try again
    Mickorod Renard: yes, she did
    Eliza Madrigal: Did you go to that event too Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: i havnt
    Agatha Macbeth: I didn't get anything
    Tura Brezoianu: Got it, thanks
    Mickorod Renard: yes I did
    Agatha Macbeth: Got it now ta
    Eliza Madrigal: great
    Mickorod Renard: got it ty
    Eliza Madrigal: have all these tiny aggravating issues with the computer now.. have to get it seen about
    Eliza Madrigal: I think Elijah also does these events in other places
    Eliza Madrigal: so he may be sending his own notices and we may have visitors
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice
    Eliza Madrigal: :) so wear your halo
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't think I got one
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: there you go :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh I do
    Agatha Macbeth: Woot
    Agatha Macbeth: Tura's needs moving up a bit
    Mickorod Renard: ok, I have to go
    Agatha Macbeth: Have fun Mick
    Agatha Macbeth: Love to Morg
    Tura Brezoianu: bye Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: hugs Mick
    Mickorod Renard: not sure i have the lm but will find you all
    Mickorod Renard: hugzz to all
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll send with the group notice on the day
    Mickorod Renard: btw, I am thinking of a new theme session
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh??
    Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
    Mickorod Renard: it was brought up on Monday
    Agatha Macbeth: Remind moi
    Eliza Madrigal: missed that
    Mickorod Renard: a 20 second virtual mind hug each half hour
    Eliza Madrigal: :) mind hug?
    Agatha Macbeth: I don't mind
    Eliza Madrigal: do you have a hug animation in SL?
    Mickorod Renard: a sort of mental belive we are hugging,,its supposed to release oxytocin
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes I believe in that
    Agatha Macbeth: Not ritalin
    Mickorod Renard: a real 20 second hug is
    Agatha Macbeth: We need Storm to do it
    Eliza Madrigal: SL hugs can be pretty nice too
    Mickorod Renard: so I wondered if we could do it mentally
    Eliza Madrigal: fascinating
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I am happy for anyone to run it
    Eliza Madrigal: supposedly if you stare at someone for 4 minutes you'll always love them
    Agatha Macbeth: I might get carried away :p

    Staring at goats (seriously)

    Mickorod Renard: I tried that to try and finnish them off, like those goats
    Eliza Madrigal: there are worse things than hugging too much
    Agatha Macbeth: Goats?
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: um, yes... goats?
    Tura Brezoianu: "The Men Who Stare At Goats"?
    Mickorod Renard: yeh
    Agatha Macbeth: Billy goats gruff?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ohh lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Do the goats stare back?
    Mickorod Renard: I saw a program the other day about a chap who stared by accident and freaked loads of people out
    Eliza Madrigal: what if you are a woman? llamas?
    Agatha Macbeth: Or lamas
    Eliza Madrigal: uninvited staring is pretty disturbing
    Agatha Macbeth: STOP LOOKING AT ME!!!
    Mickorod Renard: I think the goat thing was that there are special types of goats who pretend to be dead when stared at
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
    Agatha Macbeth: Makes sense
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe not the best candidates for this experiment then :)
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Agatha Macbeth: The dead goat test
    Mickorod Renard: the hug experiement?
    Mickorod Renard: we must bring along a goat bot
    Eliza Madrigal: or staring experiment. I'm curious to see how this might be a session
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, ask Riddle
    Eliza Madrigal: he could probably program it to fall dead too
    Mickorod Renard: we could blend it into Monday and then Thursday
    Agatha Macbeth: The bot king
    Eliza Madrigal: :) well, I'm game to play
    Agatha Macbeth: If it was a goat would it be a butt bot?
    Mickorod Renard: ok, will ask Riddle
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Mickorod Renard: ok, I must go
    Eliza Madrigal: was kidding, but anyway, fun to try things
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Night friends
    Mickorod Renard: oooh, lightening outside
    Mickorod Renard: byeeeeee
    Mickorod Renard: thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: nice
    Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
    Agatha Macbeth: Actually butt bot conjures up other images, but we won't go there
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Tura
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Mick
    Agatha Macbeth: Bysie bye all
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Aggers
    Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
    Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
    Agatha Macbeth: ♥


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    "Mickorod Renard: I remember a few famous folk doing talks in the past, like neon chompski"

    Couldn't resist. Attached picture of Noam Chomsky, suitably 'neonized'. >;-)
    Posted 00:25, 1 Jun 2018
    Neon Noam. Ha ha.

    Like the under water photos. Am attaching a few snaps too. :)
    Posted 01:23, 1 Jun 2018
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