2018.06.11 13:00 - Crash Helmets and Broomcon

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Mick. The scribing was by Agatha.


    Tura Brezoianu: hi Ag
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Tu
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm am I early?
    Tura Brezoianu: Earlier than whoever else is going to show up :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Except you!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah here come Mick and Bruce
    Tura Brezoianu: "as if by magic..."
    Bruce Mowbray: 's current display-name is "Bruce".
    Agatha Macbeth: Brucie :)
    Tura Brezoianu: hi Mick, Bruce
    Agatha Macbeth: Mick :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Mick!
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, aggers.
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice of you to drop in Stormy :)
    Mickorod Renard: folks
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Storm!
    Storm Nordwind: Helloooo
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Tura!
    Mickorod Renard: hiya
    Tura Brezoianu: hi Storm
    Mickorod Renard: howzzzz everyone?
    Bruce Mowbray: Sorry I had to miss Thursday - had a doc app't.
    Storm Nordwind admires Agatha's new avatar :)

    Agatha Macbeth watches everyone get settled
    Agatha Macbeth: Just a new head Storm :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe I should get a hat too ;p
    Bruce Mowbray admires aggers' new head.
    Storm Nordwind: Same hair?
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, same hair
    Storm Nordwind: Thought so. profile is the same
    Agatha Macbeth: My hair is in my profile?
    Storm Nordwind sighs
    Mickorod Renard: my lack of hair is mine
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Agatha Macbeth: Well for 150L I thought why not
    Mickorod Renard: its funny, there is a seik at work who suggests I grow my hair
    Mickorod Renard: hasnt quite caught on that I have problems doing that
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe he's being heavily ironic
    Bruce Mowbray: How about a turban, Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: well, I did consider it once, to get around having to wear a helmet on mcycle
    Agatha Macbeth: A crash turban?
    Mickorod Renard: yeh, he he
    Agatha Macbeth: With all that hair they don't need helmets
    Agatha Macbeth: As long as the helmet isn't purple we should get away with it
    Mickorod Renard: helmets are worth having..although once I picked up a dead friends helmet from crash and half his scull was still in it
    Bruce Mowbray: OMG!
    Agatha Macbeth: Say what?!?
    Agatha Macbeth: Holy crap
    Tura Brezoianu: !
    Mickorod Renard: in the seventees it was normal to crash bad
    Storm Nordwind: I've heard of being frugal, but that's extreme
    Bruce Mowbray: Best to be abnormal, then.
    Agatha Macbeth ponders a 'normal' crash
    Tura Brezoianu: Donorcycles, they were called.
    Mickorod Renard: I think I went through a strange period in history where lots of people had motorbike crashes
    Storm Nordwind: Normal motorcycle attire here is T-shirt and jeans with no crash helmet.
    Agatha Macbeth: Not compulsory?
    Storm Nordwind: Nope
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah 'the land of the free'
    Mickorod Renard: yeh, I ride like that here but still have to put a lid on :(
    Storm Nordwind: No need, apparently, when there is no universal health care
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
    Mickorod Renard: ah yes, I see the plan, here it costs the nhs
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes I see...everyone is responsible for themselves
    Agatha Macbeth: (In theory)
    Storm Nordwind: "responsible" is stretching the meaning somewhat ;)
    Agatha Macbeth: They obviously haven't watched An Inspectors Calls
    Agatha Macbeth: without the s
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyway, about these birds...
    Mickorod Renard: is that Priestly?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Mickorod Renard: jb
    Mickorod Renard: ah
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm
    Storm Nordwind: "them birds, them birds, gonna flock around..."
    Agatha Macbeth: Any reports or anything like that?
    Mickorod Renard: was a school english study book
    Agatha Macbeth: (I'm doing Liz's job here)
    Mickorod Renard: Where is Eliza, she had a lovely offering on Thursday
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't think she can make Mondays
    Agatha Macbeth: Not at this time anyway
    Mickorod Renard: I have read up to the recomended section
    Tura Brezoianu: It all gets even more extreme in this part, each Valley worse than the last.
    Mickorod Renard: and it gets to 'the journey'
    Mickorod Renard: yes Tura, listens
    Tura Brezoianu: There's a couplet that somehow reminded me of Pope
    Mickorod Renard: would you say that this is a sort of metaphore for what goes on in the head?
    Mickorod Renard: I mean, the valleys are bthe mind challenges
    Bruce Mowbray: My version did not have the "valleys stuff," but it sounds like the hoopoe is making this a perilous and difficult undertaking. -- when it need not be that.
    Tura Brezoianu: Dark Night of the Soul?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, very similar to dark nigh, perhaps.
    Bruce Mowbray: night*
    Mickorod Renard: yes Tura
    Agatha Macbeth: Seven valleys
    Mickorod Renard: I struggled these last two weeks..in my head
    Agatha Macbeth: As opposed to out of your head?
    Mickorod Renard: I felt too, that I may have given off negative vibes during session
    Mickorod Renard: I appol if I have done so
    Agatha Macbeth: No more than usual :p
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Bruce Mowbray is glad he's wearing his helmet. . . .
    Agatha Macbeth: We take you as you are
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou
    Storm Nordwind: Breathe deeply. We love you as yourself
    Agatha Macbeth: Any fan of Rupert can't be a bad person
    Mickorod Renard: I have a mini report
    Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
    Agatha Macbeth: Bleuji :)
    Mickorod Renard: thanks Storm
    Bruce Mowbray listens.
    Bleu Oleander: hiya
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Bleu.
    Mickorod Renard: please read my report as if I had been in a dark placeat first
    Bruce Mowbray: ok.
    Agatha Macbeth: We probably would anyway
    Storm Nordwind gets a torch
    Mickorod Renard: I have lost the plot, well, not exactly. I have been feeling quite different the last two sessions and the day after last Thursday I woke with profound type dreams. My thoughts had been 'disturbed' but I think I have morphed or something.
    Agatha Macbeth: Seems to be a lot of it about
    Mickorod Renard: The dream had me witnessing an example of begining and end of universes. sort of bursting from nothing and swallowed by blackhole type things. The important aspect was the beauty of the whole and the flowering of creation to its eventual disapearance into something else beyond our knowledge.
    Mickorod Renard: The living experience of starting out from the same source of everything and as such belonging to all other things in the universe. Sharing the experience of this through a dream ,as an observer too made me realize how important it is to appreciate everything, including the bad things, and love the whole rather than be picky over small issues.
    Mickorod Renard: btw, I notice i didnt fix spelling mistakes
    Mickorod Renard: done
    Agatha Macbeth: We did :p
    Bruce Mowbray: np, Mick.
    Agatha Macbeth: I like 'love the whole'
    Agatha Macbeth: Very eastern that
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I like that too. It feels like Shambhala's notion of Basic Goodness.
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps you have been Douglas Adams too? >;-)
    Bleu Oleander: what does that mean in an every day sense to you Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: it felt a wonderful dream and it sort of carried on while i was awake and half way to work
    Bruce Mowbray: (Trungpa...)
    Bruce Mowbray listens intntly for more.
    Bruce Mowbray: intently*
    Mickorod Renard: Bleu, it has made me feel a lot more relaxed
    Agatha Macbeth: Good
    Mickorod Renard: and accepting of stuff
    Tura Brezoianu: Sounds a little like the Valley of Insight into Mystery
    Bleu Oleander: that's a good thing :)
    Storm Nordwind: A sense of perspective, Mick?
    Bruce Mowbray agrees with Tura....
    Mickorod Renard: yes, actually there was other stuff too but cant relate it in words
    Mickorod Renard: yes Storm, very much
    Bruce Mowbray: So, is the Cosmos a "friendly" place, or not?
    Bleu Oleander: friendly to who or what?
    Mickorod Renard: well, it was funny, when I had the dream I hadnt read some passages and they felt like they had been gifted to me to follow the dream
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Bruce Mowbray loves "gifted"
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Mickorod Renard: Cosmos is just as is and also a relative or even appendage
    Agatha Macbeth: Old gifted and bald
    Mickorod Renard: old and bald
    Agatha Macbeth: Gifted too
    Agatha Macbeth: You just said so :)
    Mickorod Renard: well, must be cos I dont earn or deserve my good fortune
    Agatha Macbeth: I think good fortune's in the eye of the beholder
    Mickorod Renard: an interesting point Ags
    Agatha Macbeth: I have my moments
    Mickorod Renard: its very easy to not see the good fortune
    Mickorod Renard: and dwell on negatives
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes isn't it
    Bruce Mowbray: I have a sense that "Basic Goodness" is intrinsic to everything.
    Agatha Macbeth: Negatives don't even get developed these days
    Storm Nordwind: I agree Agatha, and by extension, one person may even see everything as good fortune, or at least never bad fortune.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Bleu Oleander: its our choice?
    Storm Nordwind: To see things that way, Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Everything ("fortune") i a potential Dharma Gate, then? Every ath is perfect?
    Bleu Oleander: as good or bad
    Bruce Mowbray: is*
    Bruce Mowbray: path*
    Storm Nordwind: I would like to say yes, Bleu, though I know how difficult it can be.
    Agatha Macbeth: Every sperm is sacred :p
    Bleu Oleander: no one said it would be easy :)
    Mickorod Renard: I believe I follow your idea on perfect paths Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: "Nothin is good or bad, but thinking makes it so?" - Hamlet
    Agatha Macbeth: Alas poor Yoric
    Bruce Mowbray loved Monty Python's "every sperm is sacred..."
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Mickorod Renard: yeh, the path is just the pth
    Agatha Macbeth: I always read sacred as scared for some reason
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps for most people, they're scared to know they're sacred...?
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I am having many thoughts re sacred sperm
    Bruce Mowbray makes note to mention that to urologist at next visit.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ufologist?
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Bruce Mowbray: OFO-ologist?
    Bruce Mowbray: UFO*
    Mickorod Renard: I am so blessed I hate to admit it..if I die tomorrow i will have to say I had a great time
    Agatha Macbeth: Good
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes.
    Storm Nordwind: Yay
    Agatha Macbeth: That's what Rupert does for you
    Bruce Mowbray: Gratitude is also my primary emotion these days, Mick.
    Storm Nordwind: "Whatever has to happen, let it happen!" "Whatever the situation is, it's fine!" "I really don't need anything!"
    Mickorod Renard: yep, good ol Rupert, was a great role model
    Agatha Macbeth: Absolutely
    Mickorod Renard: yes Storm
    Bruce Mowbray: Rupert Sheldrake?
    Agatha Macbeth: And those yellow trousers
    Mickorod Renard: Rupert bear
    Bruce Mowbray does not know that Rupert.
    Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
    Storm Nordwind: The Three Fierce Mantras of Tsangpa Gyare Yeshe Dorje (1161–1211)
    Agatha Macbeth: You missed out big time Brucie
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, perhaps I have.
    Mickorod Renard: well Storm, that is how I feel
    Bleu Oleander: explain please?
    Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?num=20....0.scIwgCLjzr4
    Mickorod Renard: whats the Bleu? re rupert?
    Bleu Oleander: not sure if I'm missing out :)
    Storm Nordwind doesn't believe Rupert made it here to the US
    Agatha Macbeth: There's a T'ao of Pooh so why not a T'ao of Rupert?
    Mickorod Renard: Rupert is in another league bleu
    Storm Nordwind: Tao of Pooh is wonderful
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?t...A9_Yeshe_Dorje
    Agatha Macbeth: He is very kind of Old England
    Agatha Macbeth: Same vintage as Elgar
    Bleu Oleander: missed that one
    Storm Nordwind found a book the other day called the The Tao of Warren Buffett!
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Mickorod Renard: I was reading Biggles to my grandkids lastnight, the Fokkers were shooting down the Camels..they couldnt stop laughing
    Agatha Macbeth: Not surprised
    Storm Nordwind: Wizard prang old chap. what!
    Agatha Macbeth: You don't see people shooting down camels every day
    Agatha Macbeth: Cabbage crates over the briny
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't even see people every day, let alone camels.
    Agatha Macbeth: Awww
    Bleu Oleander: why would anyone shoot a camel?
    Agatha Macbeth: You have us
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, and I am grateful for that.
    Agatha Macbeth: ♥
    Storm Nordwind: They would it was a Sopwith, Bleu
    Mickorod Renard: anyway, back on track,,whats that link Bruce?
    Storm Nordwind: *if it
    Bruce Mowbray: ♥
    Agatha Macbeth: I smoked a camel once
    Mickorod Renard: oh yeh, that brings back mems
    Bruce Mowbray: I think that was a Camel, aggers.
    Agatha Macbeth: :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Same difference
    Storm Nordwind: Sadly the Rigpa Wiki has it wrong
    Bruce Mowbray: say more, Storm, please.
    Mickorod Renard: ah
    Agatha Macbeth: Rigpa...what?
    Storm Nordwind: It includes a recent addition to the third mantra that the author never intended and which changes the meaning entirely
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
    Storm Nordwind: I quoted the original version
    Agatha Macbeth: The firmware got updated?
    Bruce Mowbray: is the wiki version wrong? http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?t...A9_Yeshe_Dorje
    Storm Nordwind: In some recent version, "but the Dharma" gets added to the third mantra. The author intended that you can do without that too
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Tura Brezoianu: Like Attar
    Bruce Mowbray: The three fierce mantras (Tib. དྲག་སྔགས་གསུམ་, drakngak sum, Wyl. drag sngags gsum) of Tsangpa Gyaré are: “Whatever has to happen, let it happen!” (ci yong ba shog) “Whatever the situation is, it’s fine!” (gang ltar 'gro ba song) “I don’t need anything whatsoever (but the Dharma)!” (ci kyang dgos pa med)
    Mickorod Renard: now I am confusseed
    Storm Nordwind: Right Bruce. That version is incorreect and nonsensical as it has the extended third line
    Agatha Macbeth doesn't know what anyone is talking about but still finds it interesting nonetheless
    Storm Nordwind: It doesn't even translate
    Bruce Mowbray: The third one would seem to indicate our present perfection.
    Mickorod Renard: could we have a repaet of the correct version, just for record?
    Agatha Macbeth: Exhibit A
    Storm Nordwind: I quoted it above. Let me get it again
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Agatha Macbeth: Pay attention Mick
    Storm Nordwind: "Whatever has to happen, let it happen!" "Whatever the situation is, it's fine!" "I really don't need anything!"
    Mickorod Renard: erk
    Mickorod Renard: ah great. so without the whatsoever
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Storm. Thanks for that. I embrace our perfection.
    Agatha Macbeth: Why did they change the original Stormy?
    Mickorod Renard: good q
    Bleu Oleander: what does that mean?
    Storm Nordwind: Every religion has to get its oar in maybe
    Mickorod Renard: it means let go of trying to control
    Mickorod Renard: and more
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: We wei then
    Bleu Oleander: well then nothing would happen?
    Bruce Mowbray: “I don’t need anything whatsoever (but the Jesus)!” -- for example.
    Bruce Mowbray: Wu wei is right on.
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm
    Bruce Mowbray: Tao's version.
    Bruce Mowbray: Taoism's version, I mean.
    Storm Nordwind: On a Buddhist wiki they may not want to take out the very thing that obviates dependence of a religious structure!
    Bruce Mowbray: or, "leave them alone and they will come home, wagging their tails behind them...."
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Agatha Macbeth: rofl
    Bruce Mowbray: Is that where the hoopoe is taking the birds?
    Mickorod Renard: I find the book is liberating in many ways
    Agatha Macbeth dies from laughing....
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Tura Brezoianu: The second Fierce Mantra is something I also heard in a podcast by a retired US Navy SEAL.
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Storm Nordwind: Two down , four to go
    Agatha Macbeth: Wondered where that gesture went
    Bruce Mowbray: “Whatever the situation is, it’s fine!” (gang ltar 'gro ba song)
    Bruce Mowbray: (#2 mantra)
    Tura Brezoianu: Whenever one of his subordinate would come to him with news of some problem or screwup, he'd say "That's good!"
    Agatha Macbeth: SNAFU
    Bleu Oleander: that's crazy
    Tura Brezoianu: "That's good, now we can fix it!"
    Bruce Mowbray: a divine madness.
    Storm Nordwind: As in, "You just got yourself a learning opportunity, son."
    Mickorod Renard: well, in the big scene, even if it results in death it only means that you become something else
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it was the lunatic in the desert
    Bruce Mowbray: And every moment of our lives we are becoming something else.
    Mickorod Renard: ah, during the storm?
    Bleu Oleander: gotta run ... nice seeing you all, take care
    Tura Brezoianu: "Oh no, here comes another learning opportunity!"
    Mickorod Renard: yes Bruce!
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Bleu.
    Agatha Macbeth: Be well Bleuji
    Bleu Oleander: bye bye
    Mickorod Renard: impermanence
    Mickorod Renard: bye Bleu
    Tura Brezoianu: bye Bleu
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Bleu!
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we freaked her out
    Bruce Mowbray: Important not to habituate our intense identifications. . . .
    Mickorod Renard: very true
    Bruce Mowbray: I AM THIS and I AM NOT THAT....
    Mickorod Renard: well, presently I feel well liberated
    Agatha Macbeth: 'None of the above'
    Bruce Mowbray: and you are, mick!
    Mickorod Renard: the wine is good
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: In vino veritas, indeed.
    Tura Brezoianu: "Here every pilgrim takes a different way And different spirits different rules obey"
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Tura, wonderful!
    Tura Brezoianu: That's the couplet that reminded me of Pope, it could come straight out of his "Essay on Man".
    Mickorod Renard: ah, I thought you meant the Pope
    Bruce Mowbray: To be a pilgrim is, in a sense, already to have arrived.
    Agatha Macbeth knew the Pope would get in somewhere
    Bruce Mowbray: Is the Pope woke?
    Tura Brezoianu: ah, no, I haven't read much by any Pontiff
    Bruce Mowbray: the Alexander Pope.
    Mickorod Renard: I think its good to keep at it..cos otherwise you loose the sweet spot
    Agatha Macbeth: You need to be into theology I guess
    Bruce Mowbray: or into poetry, aggers.
    Agatha Macbeth: Also works
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: or into oni. . . .
    Bruce Mowbray: onigokko
    Mickorod Renard: well, I have enjoyed todays session
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
    Bruce Mowbray: stop
    Bruce Mowbray: I have too, Mick.
    Agatha Macbeth: How did that go missing?
    Bruce Mowbray: and now I will be scraping up supper.
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, everyone.
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
    Mickorod Renard: I think when Eliza is here next we should do her last offering justice
    Mickorod Renard: bye Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: _/|\_
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, Thursday
    Tura Brezoianu: bye Bruce
    Mickorod Renard: yeh, can you find it in the logs Ags?
    Bruce Mowbray: I will have to miss Thursday. another doc appt.
    Agatha Macbeth: Find...what?
    Mickorod Renard: oww,,nothing too serious I hope Bruce
    Mickorod Renard: Elizas jottings she gave last thurdsday
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Agatha Macbeth: Lemme look
    Mickorod Renard: I can look
    Mickorod Renard: oh ok
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Tura Brezoianu: I'll be away this Thursday as well, but I'll look forward to the log
    Mickorod Renard: ok tura, anywhere nice?
    Agatha Macbeth: Which bit?
    Mickorod Renard: she gave us a sort of report
    Mickorod Renard: dont panic, she will have it and we should ask her anyway
    Tura Brezoianu: A church in a small town in Suffolk, for a concert
    Agatha Macbeth: OK
    Mickorod Renard: oh wow
    Mickorod Renard: sounds fun
    Storm Nordwind: Suffolk, East Anglia?
    Agatha Macbeth: Oo arr
    Mickorod Renard: aye
    Mickorod Renard: ok..I had better go..do some socializing in rl
    Storm Nordwind lived in Ipswich for a while
    Tura Brezoianu: Yes. Music by Charpentier, in a country church on a summer evening. Bliss
    Agatha Macbeth: Rather you than me
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou all so much
    Agatha Macbeth: TC Mick
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Mick!
    Mickorod Renard: wow luvly
    Tura Brezoianu: bye Mick
    Mickorod Renard: bye folks, have fun!
    Agatha Macbeth: We'll try I'm sure
    Agatha Macbeth: Looks like the birds got lost again
    Storm Nordwind: Anything to do with the Aldborough Festival?
    Tura Brezoianu: Yess, it's part of that
    Storm Nordwind nods and remembers
    Storm Nordwind also misspells Aldeburgh!
    Storm Nordwind: Wow - 70 year anniversary this year
    Tura Brezoianu: Rupert Bear will be 100 in 2020
    Storm Nordwind: Oh my word!
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha
    Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if he'll get a telegram?
    Storm Nordwind: haha!
    Storm Nordwind: And Tin Tin will be 100 in 11 years time
    Agatha Macbeth: Do they even have telegrams now?
    Storm Nordwind: Email a PDF perhaps?
    Agatha Macbeth: Could be
    Storm Nordwind: Send one by Instagram that disappears in a few seconds?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Agatha Macbeth: Not quite the same is it
    Storm Nordwind: Not quite the same to hand down as a family heirloom
    Agatha Macbeth: True
    Tura Brezoianu: I think the telegrams stopped quite a long time ago, because so many people were surviving to 100. It used to be a much rarer thing.
    Agatha Macbeth: That's crash hemets for you
    Storm Nordwind: Does the Queen still hand out Maundy money?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes on a Thursday
    Storm Nordwind: Right
    Storm Nordwind: Must be getting expensive now, one penny for each year of her age , IIRC
    Agatha Macbeth: She's certainly lasting well
    Tura Brezoianu: Much to Charles' frustration
    Agatha Macbeth: He's going to be another Edward VII
    Storm Nordwind: I loved living in East Anglia. Ipswich. On the coast at Shingle Street, too. Was a member of SIFRE which was a fabulous interfaith group, and broadcasting on Radio Suffolk. Great community.
    Agatha Macbeth: My old man was stationed there in the war
    Agatha Macbeth: There's a big RAF base there, forget the name
    Storm Nordwind: There are several in Suffolk
    Agatha Macbeth: Think it begins with M
    Storm Nordwind: Mildenhall?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
    Agatha Macbeth: That's the one
    Storm Nordwind: "On 18 January 2016, the British Ministry of Defence announced that the site is to be sold." - Wikipedia
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
    Agatha Macbeth: Not sure if that's a good sign or not
    Storm Nordwind: "However, a change of administration in the United States, heightened security in Europe and concerns about the Middle-East have prompted a re-think on Mildenhall's closure"
    Agatha Macbeth: Right, what I thought
    Tura Brezoianu: I think the only time I've gone to Ipswich (rather than through it) was to a pagan convention that happened to be held there
    Agatha Macbeth: Was Glastonbury shut?
    Tura Brezoianu: :)
    Storm Nordwind: You probably saw some of the people I know well. I knew all the Ipswich pagan crowd.
    Agatha Macbeth: Which witch is which
    Storm Nordwind throws a cushion at Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Nya
    Tura Brezoianu: It was called "Broomcon", so they were the sort of fluffy pagans that don't take themselves too seriously. Terry Pratchett was guest of honour.
    Storm Nordwind: The pagan community around Ipswich and Colchester was thriving
    Agatha Macbeth: Broomcon!
    Storm Nordwind: Yep, went to Broomcon many times
    Storm Nordwind: Broomcon was actually more interesting before it got fluffy. Or was it the other way round. Hmm...
    Tura Brezoianu: I think the fluffies started it, and then the Properly Serious pagans took it over a few years later
    Storm Nordwind: Right. Memory has faded
    Tura Brezoianu: I only went a couple of times, when the atmosphere was like a sci-fi convention
    Storm Nordwind: My ex served as the editor for Pagan Dawn for a few years.
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonderful
    Storm Nordwind: I'm not sure her style was appreciated. It was reconstructionalist and distinctly non-fluffy!
    Agatha Macbeth: My word
    Tura Brezoianu closes a tab explosion on the theme of Reconstructionist Paganism
    Storm Nordwind grins
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyway
    Storm Nordwind: Anyway
    Tura Brezoianu: Anyway
    Tura Brezoianu: Time to be off
    Agatha Macbeth: Better get this posted I guess
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Tura, good to see you
    Tura Brezoianu: bye all
    Storm Nordwind: And Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Tura
    Agatha Macbeth: and Stormy

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