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    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. The comments are by Mickorod Renard.



    I'm a neanderthal man
    You're a neanderthal girl
    Let's make neanderthal love
    In this neanderthal world
    I'm a neanderthal man
    You're a neanderthal girl
    Let's make neanderthal love
    In this neanderthal world


    Aphrodite Macbain: 's current display-name is "Aph".

    Mickorod Renard: Hi Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Mick
    Mickorod Renard: It was getting lonely here
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: aww
    Aphrodite Macbain: I expected more people
    Mickorod Renard: so, tell me, how was Mexico?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hot!
    Mickorod Renard: I saw a program the other day on was very hot
    Mickorod Renard: oppressive
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice. I was ina little town sousth of Guadalajara
    Aphrodite Macbain: Migrants from Mexico?
    Mickorod Renard: mmm,,can't say I am familiar with mexican geography
    Mickorod Renard: well, in a way,,passing through to get to usa
    Mickorod Renard: guatamalians and so forth
    Aphrodite Macbain: It really varies- from teamy jungles to hi arid deserts
    Aphrodite Macbain: steamy :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: When did you visit Guatemala?
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I had two mexicans as friends foor a while,,they lived somewhere whrethey said it was perfect weather
    Aphrodite Macbain: It was pretty nice where I was, I'm just not great in the heat
    Mickorod Renard: no, i never went to guatamalia,,it was them trying to get to mexico
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's a beautiful country with beautiful people
    Aphrodite Macbain: I was there in the 80s
    Mickorod Renard: but my friends, Ricado and,,erm forgot,,they said it rained every day when they slept and was sunny the rest of the time but not too hot
    Aphrodite Macbain: I travelled all over central and south america in the 80s
    Aphrodite Macbain: I could speak spanish back then
    Mickorod Renard: wow, thats very intrepid of you
    Aphrodite Macbain: I was researching masks
    Aphrodite Macbain: and costumes
    Mickorod Renard: I had planned,,when I was younger that i would motorbike accross
    Aphrodite Macbain: It have me an excuse to travel and meet people
    Mickorod Renard: great idea
    Aphrodite Macbain: You still can :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: along the panamerican highway
    Mickorod Renard: I could..I was hoping to do it with my son,,but he has no interest in me now
    Aphrodite Macbain: too bad :-(
    Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe he cant imagine what it might be like
    Mickorod Renard: I know,,great plans..but no worries
    Aphrodite Macbain: Can you go with a friend?
    Mickorod Renard: he can't hold a conversation with me
    Mickorod Renard: I dont have any friends anymore..he he
    Aphrodite Macbain: ? why?
    Aphrodite Macbain: cant he hold a conversation with you?
    Mickorod Renard: I am proberbly horrible..grin
    Aphrodite Macbain: a horrible conversationalist?
    Tura Brezoianu: hi Aph, Mick
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Tura
    Tura Brezoianu: and HNY
    Mickorod Renard: he thought I was alien..cos I was always right..and could do anything
    Tura Brezoianu: I wasn't sure if there was a meeting today
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Tura
    Mickorod Renard: happy new year
    Aphrodite Macbain: we still have one chapter to go but I'm not sure if anyone is interested any more
    Mickorod Renard: after next Thursday I am wrapping up hosting thursday
    Tura Brezoianu: A tempo has to be kept up, I think
    Aphrodite Macbain: you'll be busy with a new babe!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I enjoyed the book.
    Mickorod Renard: syeh, the darwin bit this week i propose we do the last bit..
    Mickorod Renard: me too
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am glad he described the other creation myths in the world at the back of the book. I was thinking it was very western-centeric
    Mickorod Renard: and made me think alot..much to do with other things but stimulated by the book
    Aphrodite Macbain: me too
    Mickorod Renard: yes Aph, If I had time I would look them up
    Mickorod Renard: Baby shouldnt arrive until feb the 8th
    Mickorod Renard: but she has had them braxton hicks
    Aphrodite Macbain: I found it important that he described the false assumptions people have made about Darwin's theory of natural selection.
    Mickorod Renard: which are like practice labour pains
    Aphrodite Macbain: like "survival of the fittest" and the concept of progress.
    Mickorod Renard: yes, have you read the last chapter?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Mickorod Renard: ok..I havnt digested it yet
    Aphrodite Macbain: I had to return the book to the library so I read in advance.
    Mickorod Renard: ah ok
    Aphrodite Macbain: It would be a good reference book to purchase, I think. I have the Kindle version
    Mickorod Renard: i think there is a link between darwinian evolution and the story
    Aphrodite Macbain: Have yoou read the last chapter Tura?
    Tura Brezoianu: Yes, and the epilogue
    Aphrodite Macbain: I didn't have time :-(
    Aphrodite Macbain: Was it useful?
    Mickorod Renard: its problematic sometimes..for me at sugest somethings for fear of being sexist or what
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Ags
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Aggers!
    Tura Brezoianu: Darwin was a big nail in the coffin of literalism about Adam and Eve
    Agatha Macbeth: Stupid cushions
    Tura Brezoianu: along with everything else we found out about how the world really works in the last couple of centuries
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- it's hard to reconcile the skull of Lucy in the African desert and another skull in Europe being A&E in one garden!
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Lucy was Eve
    Agatha Macbeth: Nobody ever said Eve was white
    Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe it was an african python
    Mickorod Renard: one of these days we will discover something and we wont be able to believe we have been doing something so silly for so using plastic bottles
    Aphrodite Macbain: that tempted her
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- hindsight is 20 20
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh plastic's a pain
    Mickorod Renard: I think A and E is like an algorythm
    Agatha Macbeth: How so?
    Mickorod Renard: a nonsence placed in the brain that the subconcious can use to make sense
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is that what an algorithm is?
    Mickorod Renard: you have to bear in mind I am mad
    Agatha Macbeth: I was thinking of logorithms, sorry
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah - that makes a great deal of sense Mick
    Agatha Macbeth: 2 x 2 = nonsense
    Aphrodite Macbain: what's it like to be mad?
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Agatha Macbeth: No one asks you to explain
    Agatha Macbeth: The radio by her side...
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: what's playing?
    Agatha Macbeth: She's a special lady
    Mickorod Renard: well, I recon its got to do with the diferent values of male and femele
    Aphrodite Macbain: who?
    Agatha Macbeth: Angie
    Agatha Macbeth: Living in a world of make believe
    Agatha Macbeth: Well maybe
    Aphrodite Macbain: It must be a British thing...
    Agatha Macbeth: Dunno where the guy in the radio went
    Agatha Macbeth: No Canadian actually!
    Mickorod Renard: in the animal world..they have strange habits
    Aphrodite Macbain: Canadians have guys in radios?
    Agatha Macbeth: Seems so
    Aphrodite Macbain: They must be very small
    Agatha Macbeth: And the US had women in radiators
    Aphrodite Macbain: snort
    Tura Brezoianu senses unfamiliar cultural references flying overhead
    Agatha Macbeth: In heaven everything is fine
    Aphrodite Macbain: May I have some of what you're imbibing, Aggers?
    Tura Brezoianu: ah, I've seen Eraserhead
    Mickorod Renard: does anyone know of animals doing wierd killing the young when a new mate takes over?
    Agatha Macbeth: Not sure one can bottle it
    Aphrodite Macbain: only weired to us
    Aphrodite Macbain: wierd
    Tura Brezoianu: don't lions do that routinely?
    Agatha Macbeth: Weird and wired
    Aphrodite Macbain: Often the dad eats the cubs
    Mickorod Renard: I think lots do
    Aphrodite Macbain: especially if there is little space
    Agatha Macbeth: Greedy sod
    Agatha Macbeth: Aren't zebras enough?
    Mickorod Renard: so females in the animal world operate with a diferent thought pattern
    Mickorod Renard: than males
    Aphrodite Macbain: a different set of genes
    Aphrodite Macbain: I know a number of people who still believe in the creation story and in Noah and the Ark
    Tura Brezoianu: happens in humans too, not so routinely, but statistically, stepfathers are more likely to be violent against stepchildren than fathers to their own children
    Mickorod Renard: but in A and E there is an attempt to bring about union for a pair presumably for proliferation
    Mickorod Renard: exactly Tura
    Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder if they have a different consciousness
    Tura Brezoianu: what do they say about the billion years of life on Earth, and the billion since the universe began?
    Aphrodite Macbain: they dont
    Tura Brezoianu: *billions since etc.
    Mickorod Renard: and there are the srories of wicked step mothers
    Agatha Macbeth: Billions and billions!
    Aphrodite Macbain: 200-300,000 years ago man appeared
    Aphrodite Macbain: the earth is over 3 billion years oold
    Mickorod Renard: I was just thinking that the story may have been an attempt to convince the masses to form union and work together even though there is a difference in male and female thinking
    Aphrodite Macbain: old
    Agatha Macbeth: Yo man!
    Agatha Macbeth: I always wondered what happened to the Neanderthals
    Aphrodite Macbain: they interbred with others
    Mickorod Renard: interbbred
    Agatha Macbeth: And whether some are still around
    Aphrodite Macbain: apparently most of us have a Neqaderthal gene
    Aphrodite Macbain: when we're feeling tired :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: *Neaderthal
    Mickorod Renard: remember that song
    Aphrodite Macbain: ** Neanderthal (that was a Neanderthal moment)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Mickorod Renard: i am the neanderthal man
    Agatha Macbeth: Ug ug
    Mickorod Renard: was it the trogs?
    Aphrodite Macbain: trogs?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hotlegs
    Agatha Macbeth: Later 10 cc
    Aphrodite Macbain: ??
    Tura Brezoianu: I think the purpose of the A&E story is to explain the existence of evil
    Agatha Macbeth: Think that was before Graham Goulden joined
    Tura Brezoianu: Maybe that why we have religions at all. Religions are like pearls: mucus congealed about an irritating speck of muck.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting Tura
    Tura Brezoianu: The speck being the fact that so much of everything sucks.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It explains the fall of man
    Mickorod Renard: I'm a neanderthal man You're a neanderthal girl Let's make neanderthal love In this neanderthal world
    Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder whether they were good lovers
    Mickorod Renard: I recon this must have preceded A and E story
    Agatha Macbeth: What day were they made on, supposedly?
    Mickorod Renard: that by the way is the extent of the lyrics but repeated over and over
    Aphrodite Macbain: The Old Testament was apparently written in the 5th century BC
    Aphrodite Macbain: long after Lucy was born
    Agatha Macbeth: It was written down in Babylon
    Aphrodite Macbain: In Aramaic
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably from oral traditions
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes probably
    Agatha Macbeth slaps her wrist for saying 'oral'
    Aphrodite Macbain: all those begats made for interesting epic poetry
    Agatha Macbeth: Well there are a lot of them
    Mickorod Renard: there is still some similarity,,as the towers where instructions were babbled out must have been so due to lack of folks who cud read
    Aphrodite Macbain: there was a real mix of people in Babylon - Iraniand and Semits of different persuasions
    Agatha Macbeth: Pythagoras was there too
    Aphrodite Macbain: measuring things
    Agatha Macbeth: He got about that guy
    Mickorod Renard: geographicaly isreal/palastine was the crossroads for trade
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Mickorod Renard: as was persia and syria
    Aphrodite Macbain: connecting to Egypt and Spain
    Aphrodite Macbain: and all the way to China
    Agatha Macbeth: Caravans
    Mickorod Renard: so naturally folk would 'be there'
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: It was a commercial centre
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't beat the old Silk Road
    Aphrodite Macbain: there are receipts for goods written in cuneiform
    Mickorod Renard: it always amazed me that they even went with ships to the uk and traded for copper and such
    Aphrodite Macbain: along with the Gilgamesh myth
    Agatha Macbeth: The Phonecians did yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: "seagoing peoples"
    Mickorod Renard: thats a fair old trip even today
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm reading a book that gives the background to Islam- it's fascinating.
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    Mickorod Renard: that sounds interesting
    Aphrodite Macbain: called "The Venture of Islam"
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Mickorod Renard: is it big?
    Agatha Macbeth: o.o
    Mickorod Renard: i have a que of stuff..thats all
    Aphrodite Macbain: Over 500 pages. The first bit gives a background of what the area was like before the religion formed
    Aphrodite Macbain: 800-400 BC
    Mickorod Renard: thats double A and E
    Aphrodite Macbain: Too much information
    Aphrodite Macbain: hard to remember it all
    Agatha Macbeth: Too many notes Mozart
    Aphrodite Macbain: but It will stick eventually
    Mickorod Renard: I have given up on remembering
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's to prepare for our trip to Spain in May
    Agatha Macbeth: We're going to Spain?
    Aphrodite Macbain: medieval spain
    Agatha Macbeth: Hola
    Mickorod Renard: ah yes, interesting aspect to your trip
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm going with the university
    Mickorod Renard: 3 religions
    Agatha Macbeth: All of it?
    Aphrodite Macbain: 40 of us!
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: You'll need a big bus
    Aphrodite Macbain: at that time (800-1100) Christians, Jews and Muslims were living relatively peacefully in Spain
    Aphrodite Macbain: we will take the train- staying only in Granada and Cordoba
    Mickorod Renard: I recall it was the French guy someone the bald who beat the moorish hoards back otherwise the uk would have been islam too
    Agatha Macbeth: Charlemagne?
    Aphrodite Macbain: cool
    Agatha Macbeth: Or Charles Martel
    Agatha Macbeth: Some Charlie anyway
    Aphrodite Macbain: Charles the Bald
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Aphrodite Macbain: 823-877
    Mickorod Renard: I can't remember the full story now..did it with my son when he was in frence school
    Agatha Macbeth: Hair today gone tomorrow
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Mickorod Renard: that was what my barber said to me
    Aphrodite Macbain: He was the king of France and the Holy Roman Emperor
    Aphrodite Macbain: what did he say Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: of the carolingian dynasty I think
    Mickorod Renard: hair today gone tomorrow
    Agatha Macbeth: Carolus rex
    Aphrodite Macbain: Too much information.
    Aphrodite Macbain holds her head
    Agatha Macbeth: Too many notes
    Aphrodite Macbain: Down rex!
    Agatha Macbeth: Get rid a few
    Aphrodite Macbain: bundles them up and throws them in the garbage
    Mickorod Renard: I was amazed how narrow the straights of Gibraltar are
    Aphrodite Macbain: Time to head out and buy a new watch strap
    Mickorod Renard: you could swim to Africa
    Mickorod Renard: bye Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: really?
    Mickorod Renard: cheers
    Agatha Macbeth: Swim to Africa for a watch strap?
    Aphrodite Macbain: did you get bitten by a monkey?
    Agatha Macbeth: Bit far
    Mickorod Renard: yeh..easy
    Mickorod Renard: wifes bag got ripped up
    Agatha Macbeth: The Pillars of Hercules
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Aphrodite Macbain: where are/were they Aggers?
    Agatha Macbeth: Straits of G
    Aphrodite Macbain: huh
    Agatha Macbeth: Allegedly
    Mickorod Renard: blocking the atlantic fro med
    Aphrodite Macbain: what did your wife have in her bag?
    Mickorod Renard: just the usual women rubbish
    Aphrodite Macbain: potato chips?
    Aphrodite Macbain: have a great weekend!
    Mickorod Renard: I mean real important lipstick
    Agatha Macbeth: Any fish?
    Agatha Macbeth: TC Aphie
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Mickorod Renard: I think she has kept fish in it at some time
    Mickorod Renard: prob a huge the size of it
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Agatha Macbeth: I've heard of a cat in the bag
    Agatha Macbeth: Not a fish
    Mickorod Renard: it saves having to take luggage on the plane
    Agatha Macbeth: Ar true
    Mickorod Renard: just have a huge handbag
    Agatha Macbeth: And hit the pilot with it
    Mickorod Renard: I am thinking of getting one
    Agatha Macbeth: Too easy to lose or nick for my liking
    Mickorod Renard: it has a sort of detachable roller assembly like they use tput space rockets on the launch pad
    Tura Brezoianu: it's a big handbag that needs wheels
    Agatha Macbeth: Guess a rocket launcher is a handy thing to have
    Mickorod Renard: well, she was in the guides and likes to be prepared
    Agatha Macbeth: Typical
    Agatha Macbeth: I prefer the Brownies
    Mickorod Renard: yeh..its sexist cos us lads used to have to carry a penknife in the scouts but thats been banned
    Agatha Macbeth: Little hooligans
    Mickorod Renard: I remember as a lad we could walk about with huge machettes and air riffles but no longer
    Mickorod Renard: well, u can in usa
    Agatha Macbeth: Well there were wars and stuff in them days
    Mickorod Renard: aye, never knew if a meshesmitte might crash
    Mickorod Renard: think I spelt that wrong
    Agatha Macbeth: Cabbage crates over the briny
    Mickorod Renard: so, have you had bad wind?
    Agatha Macbeth: No, I took something for it
    Agatha Macbeth: But it has been stormy
    Mickorod Renard: must be Tura then?
    Agatha Macbeth: Tura ra bum diay
    Mickorod Renard: are you near water then Ags?
    Tura Brezoianu: turaluralay
    Agatha Macbeth: Not immediately
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Mickorod Renard: big winds here today
    Agatha Macbeth: Hope it didn't blow the Rollrights down
    Agatha Macbeth: Boing boing
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh I'll look
    Agatha Macbeth: See if can spot any witches
    Agatha Macbeth: The things people send you eh
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyways
    Agatha Macbeth: Shame Liz and Bruce weren't here
    Agatha Macbeth: Ar
    Agatha Macbeth: Love to Morg
    Agatha Macbeth: And the kids
    Agatha Macbeth: Byee

    Tura Brezoianu: goodnight Ag, Mick

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