2019.01.10 13:00 - Harari II - Disillusionment

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Aph. The scribing is by Agatha.



    Aphrodite Macbain's current display-name is "Aph".
    liaoni Resident: 's current display-name is "liaoni".

    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Skaters
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Riddle!
    Riddle Sideways: howdee
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello lialoni
    liaoni Resident: greetings
    Aphrodite Macbain: iaoni
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Eliza
    Bruce Mowbray's current display-name is "Bruce".
    Riddle Sideways: Aggers, are you using your skarf as fishing line?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Brucie :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: wves at Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: wavdes
    Aphrodite Macbain: wves
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
    Riddle Sideways: might catch Blub
    Agatha Macbeth: Do fish eat scarves?
    Aphrodite Macbain: waves
    Eliza Madrigal: beautiful kimono, Aggers
    Aphrodite Macbain: sigh
    Bruce Mowbray waves at Aph and everyone else.
    Agatha Macbeth: Grazie :)
    Riddle Sideways: meant Hi All
    Eliza Madrigal: lioni, have you ever visited playasbeing before?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Tura
    Tura Brezoianu: hi all
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Tura.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Tu
    Eliza Madrigal gets settled in
    Aphrodite Macbain: Welcome liaoni
    liaoni Resident: thank you
    Aphrodite Macbain: these sessions are recorded and put in a public wiki. Is that OK with you?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yay. Welcome, Liaoni.
    Eliza Madrigal: we've kept records of sessions since 2008, at playasbeing.org, but can leave out your name if you prefer
    liaoni Resident: yes, but in that case, I might listen more than talk :P
    Riddle Sideways: darn cluttered inventory, does anybody have a new PaB intro card?
    Aphrodite Macbain: hmm
    Bruce Mowbray: not a new one, sry.
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm in the same boat, Riddle! :::plundering::::
    liaoni Resident: thank you
    Agatha Macbeth: Not sure how recent that is :p
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: to Liaoni: You can also ask whoever will post the chat log not to include things you have said that you don't want in the log.
    Agatha Macbeth: We need a dispenser or something
    Aphrodite Macbain: I gave her one from 2008!
    liaoni Resident: I got an Original copy :p
    Riddle Sideways: next new year will build a bot to catalog inventory like the Dewey system
    Agatha Macbeth: Better late than never
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nice to see all of you here
    Agatha Macbeth: Not Hewey or Lewy?
    Riddle Sideways: nope
    Agatha Macbeth: OK

    Aphrodite Macbain: Has everyone had a chance to see the email I sent out yesterday?
    Tura Brezoianu: I have a PaB intro from 2013
    Agatha Macbeth: I did!
    liaoni Resident: I just got a 2016
    Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to bombard you with so many notes lioni :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Any advance on 2016?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Riddle
    liaoni Resident: lol! It's quite alright
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Aphrodite Macbain: did everyone else see it?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, thanks Aph
    Eliza Madrigal: Want me to repost the schedule here?
    Tura Brezoianu: yes, I saw it
    Aphrodite Macbain: Does everyone agree with the proposed schedule?
    Bruce Mowbray: Please do, Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: okay, momentito
    Aphrodite Macbain: Harari discussion topics in 8 weeks January 10 Introduction & Chap 1: Disillusionment- Stories 17 Disillusionment: Artificial Intelligence 24 Chapter 2: Work - AI and Creativity 31 Happiness: Reality-Expectations February 7 Chapter 3: Liberty - Truth 14 Chapter 4: Equality 21 Chapter 5: Community 28 Chapters 19 & 21: The Buddha and the Universe, Meditation Missing chapters: 6-18. Should we decide whether to continue into March?
    Aphrodite Macbain: there
    Eliza Madrigal: okay, thx
    Eliza Madrigal: Seems fine with me
    Aphrodite Macbain: Does anyone want to propose another reading?

    Intro & Chapter 1

    Aphrodite Macbain: OK hearing no suggestions, let's move to Intro and Chapter 1
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Yayy! :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: What does everyone think of Chapter 1. Are we disillusioned?
    Aphrodite Macbain: confused?
    Xirana Oximoxi's current display-name is "Xirana".
    Riddle Sideways: we are Disillusioned
    Aphrodite Macbain: without a centre
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xiri :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Xir.
    Aphrodite Macbain: hi Xri
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Eliza! Ji everyone!
    Bruce Mowbray: May I say a few things about the Intro?
    Riddle Sideways: Liberal died and became a swear word
    Aphrodite Macbain: Please do Bruce
    Riddle Sideways: hi Xir
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, about the book in general...
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins at Riddle
    Bruce Mowbray: Deals with global, not individual, issues – although does deal with how global issues might affect individuals.
    Bruce Mowbray: The “lessons” do not provide “answers.” They aim at promoting discussion of major issues of our time.
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: but he does propose some ways of thinking
    Bruce Mowbray: “What is happening in the world today, and what is the deep significance of these events?”
    Agatha Macbeth: Hola Xira :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It felt like he wants to help us find a new footing
    Xirana Oximoxi: hola guapina :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: There is more, but let's go ahead with Disillusionment if you like.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Xiri, we are discussing the first chapter of the book plus some broad ideas on it
    Bruce Mowbray: We think in stories and the simpler the better.
    Aphrodite Macbain: He recommends
    Xirana Oximoxi: I've bought the book today..so I have had no time to read it, but I am interested in what you say about it :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not sure if agree with him
    Eliza Madrigal: One thing I'm struck by, is how we're already behind, which is partly when the changes of the last few years have caught some/many of us by big surprise
    Bruce Mowbray: There is also an free online audiobook....
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe to be disillusioned we need to have illusions to begin with
    Eliza Madrigal: why=when*
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins
    Riddle Sideways: seemed he was not caring about agree or disagree, only in starting the dialogs
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think I have a lot of illusions
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes, thanks Bruce :)
    Bruce Mowbray agrees with Riddle....
    Eliza Madrigal: How does one function without them?
    Aphrodite Macbain: and all parts of the world are different in their stories
    Riddle Sideways: Eliza, in these days to be edited and published in Sept. is to be wayyyyy out of date
    Eliza Madrigal: true
    Aphrodite Macbain: Other people have referred to these stages as modern (liberal, progressive) and postmodern (fractured and backwards thinking)
    Bruce Mowbray: 3 grand stories of the 20th Century: fascism, communism, liberalism.....
    Aphrodite Macbain: listens to Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Harari says that In 2018, we're down to zero stories.
    Bruce Mowbray: (I disagree).
    Bruce Mowbray: Not able to get reality check about what's going on. he says.
    Aphrodite Macbain: we have different stories and they are not shared by everyone else
    Bruce Mowbray agrees with Aph.
    Riddle Sideways: Harari wrote out that those 3 died
    Riddle Sideways: other stories needed
    Eliza Madrigal: I get what he's saying... can't 'rely' on what we've taken for granted about western ideology as being inherently more peaceful or better for everyone, etc
    Aphrodite Macbain: our ethics are outmoded? We need to invent new ways of addressing bioteach and infotech
    Aphrodite Macbain: biotechnology
    Aphrodite Macbain: which has sprung upon us
    Aphrodite Macbain: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Technological disruption is not on the political agenda -- for nations or for individuals.
    Bruce Mowbray: A sense that the future is running away with us and we can't do anything about it.
    Aphrodite Macbain: everyone is grappling with it. Look at the dilemma Facebook is in
    Bruce Mowbray nods...
    Aphrodite Macbain: control or laissez faire?
    Bruce Mowbray: Maybe Facebook is a "sory"
    Eliza Madrigal: that was sort of striking, his pointing that out, that no one in the US campaigned even remotely touching AI/biotech
    Bruce Mowbray: story*
    Riddle Sideways: philosophers and politicians no longer moving as fast as bio-tech
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods at Eliza
    Aphrodite Macbain: and Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: and shhhhhhh yer-self beel
    Bruce Mowbray nods and listens
    Aphrodite Macbain: Our old solutions no longer work- hence disillusionment
    Bruce Mowbray: Right, Aph.
    Bruce Mowbray: Algorithms in charge of finance, markets – humans not able to understand.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Do you think he's being a pessimist?
    Eliza Madrigal: no
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- we are managed by algorhythms
    Aphrodite Macbain: (sp?)
    Riddle Sideways: however, does draw that out to the reader
    Bruce Mowbray: In a way I do, but mostly I think he's just trying to get us to think.
    Eliza Madrigal: he's like a modern prophet in some ways, saying, "nothing is inevitable, but ..."
    Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose there's not much we can do about the development of AI - except to be aware of it and what it is doig to us
    Aphrodite Macbain: doing
    Bruce Mowbray: Harari is clearly a "liberal" --- but he sees the world going in a diferent direction(s)
    Riddle Sideways: states that if you are one of the child raisers, wage earner, busy person. the thinking will be done for you and ya have to live in it
    Aphrodite Macbain: How do you think he's a liberal?
    Riddle Sideways: he cares
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: He says he is.
    Riddle Sideways: = liberal
    Aphrodite Macbain: agreed Riddle
    Xirana Oximoxi: I agree with you Bruce...I've listened to some interviewws and he explains that he focus on negative aspects because big corporations etc. will just talk about all benefits of new tecnologies, which he does not deny
    Bruce Mowbray: Free speech, open borders, values reason over tradition
    Aphrodite Macbain: But he also thinks the liberal story no longer works
    Eliza Madrigal: good point, Xiri
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks Xiri
    Bruce Mowbray: Right, he's afraid that the liberal "story" no longer works.
    Bruce Mowbray: snap, sry.
    Aphrodite Macbain: but he calls himself a liberal
    Riddle Sideways: and that is disillusioning
    Bruce Mowbray: He's clearly a liberal.
    Eliza Madrigal: he wants us to see how succeptible we are
    Tura Brezoianu: At the end of the introduction, he almost apologises for questioning it.
    Riddle Sideways: yes, Tura
    Bruce Mowbray: He also says that he's writing the book in the liberal tradition.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Liberals are basically optimistic
    Bruce Mowbray: while we still have freedom of the press.
    Aphrodite Macbain: but need to be very clear about their belief system
    Xirana Oximoxi: ino free press
    Xirana Oximoxi: no
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, Xir
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sort of Bruce.
    Bruce Mowbray: without criticizing liberalism we cannot improve it, he says.
    Eliza Madrigal: but liberalism has always had a blind spot, ie, visions have usually been narrowly focused
    Xirana Oximoxi: he explains that until we pay a lot of money for good and fgree press...we will have the press controled by corporationds
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: which is happening now
    Bruce Mowbray: Right, Xir.
    Xirana Oximoxi: (in an interview...not sure in the book )
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hw do you feel about what he says?
    Bruce Mowbray: Also, the major challenges require the very institutions that afre breaking down or coming under suspicion.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Do you believe him?
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I feel a bit overwhelmed
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: we need new binding mythologies and animating stories, visions for who/what we aspire to, inclusive of not just all kinds of humans but possibilities that make us really uncomfortable. I think that is one way of addressing/empowering ourselves
    Bruce Mowbray: climate change, nuclear weapons, rise of new tech (AI and biotech)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I need to work really hard to stay on top of these changes
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes Eliza- well said
    Bruce Mowbray: I think he's saying that it's beyond any individual to do that, Aph.
    Aphrodite Macbain: so we need to work collectively?
    liaoni Resident: I think any institution over time leans towards corruption and that we're seeing a new age where those powers wont be able to be broken apart via revolution as easily. they are all cementing themselves over us like a prison.
    Riddle Sideways: right Eliza, who shall the kids look up to
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nods at liaaoni
    Eliza Madrigal nods, quite insightful... marches won't get it
    Bruce Mowbray: e.g., blind market forces, concentration of wealth and power in an elite minority, use of tech for oppression or manipulation
    Eliza Madrigal: but they can be encouraging
    Riddle Sideways: yes Liaoni, Revolution is even harder now
    Aphrodite Macbain: we need to be fighting all the time, not just during the occasional revolution!
    Eliza Madrigal: most of our movements that gain traction now eventually scatter under the pressure to accommodate so many agendas
    Agatha Macbeth: Fighting all the time doesn't seem a good solution somehow...
    Tura Brezoianu: It's easy to say what "we" should do, but here and now, "we" is 8 people sitting together. How do you move the general population to do what "we" should be doing?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am happy to see how woemen and school kids are beginning to make their voices heard
    Bruce Mowbray: He says that the masses are increasingly going to feel irrelevant.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Good question Tura
    Bruce Mowbray ponders moving the general poplation....
    Bruce Mowbray: population*
    Xirana Oximoxi: in the cover of the book I've bought today..it says he ha sold 12,000,000 books...
    Riddle Sideways: yes, feeling more and more irrelevant
    Aphrodite Macbain: That's what Information technology was going to solve...
    Aphrodite Macbain: and Facebook
    Riddle Sideways: wow
    Aphrodite Macbain: good marketing and good writing
    Riddle Sideways: let's see... if %5 read it
    Xirana Oximoxi: counting 'Sapiens' and 'Homo Deus'...two earlier books of him
    Tura Brezoianu: So the answer is be a Harari, or Zuckerberg, or Jobs.
    Aphrodite Macbain: He writes very clearly, interestingly, without jargon
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes...I agree Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: or support them at least Tura?
    Riddle Sideways: and great interviews
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I'd encourage folks to watch some of his YouTube interviews.
    Eliza Madrigal: I always liked, when Pema was here, how he talked about poking holes in versions/masks of reality ... really, I think Harari is going for similar. Saying, learn to keep space to see through what you are being sold
    Agatha Macbeth: WB Lia
    Aphrodite Macbain: critical thinking
    Eliza Madrigal: welcome back liaoni :)
    liaoni Resident: thank you
    Agatha Macbeth: Glad we haven't bored you death
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    liaoni Resident: I love this honestly
    Bruce Mowbray: Yayy!
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins
    Agatha Macbeth: (Your AO is on btw)
    Eliza Madrigal: but I think Harari is encouraging people to be really radical, that it isn't 'easy' to see through
    liaoni Resident: I think we're fighting between two world views that are conflicting. You have highly intuitive and open people who see the writing on the wall and want to make immense changes--that honestly need to occur if we are going to save our planet and also perserve the flavor of an authentic human life--and one that values security and tradition that feels very threatened right now by everything going on. These are uncharted territories, unfortunately when people who are low on the openness spectrum feel threatened they are more likely to elect authortarian leadership which will just serve to inflame the situation right now.
    Riddle Sideways: exactly
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sort of like Trump's "base"?
    Eliza Madrigal nods nods
    liaoni Resident: mhm
    Eliza Madrigal: liberalism looks naive to many people these days
    Riddle Sideways: the old white guys (with all the weath)
    Aphrodite Macbain: great observations liaoni
    Bruce Mowbray: Liberals (like myself) think we can affort to sit back an ponder the meaning of life.
    Bruce Mowbray: Even if we had a clear idea of the meaning of life, what could we do about it?
    Agatha Macbeth: 42
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It isn't straight forward linear problem solving, for sure
    Riddle Sideways: (6 x 9)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Bruce Mowbray: Seem like Harari might be saying "42" is obsolete....
    Tura Brezoianu: (base 13)
    Aphrodite Macbain: For me, the biggest question is how we can raise people's awareness of the issues and encourage them to act. Unfortunately democracy doesn't always work but it's the best we have.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's so slow
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeppers.
    Bruce Mowbray: The best we have.
    Bruce Mowbray: (Churchill)
    Agatha Macbeth: If people aren't ware of the issues already they're unlikely to act anyway
    Eliza Madrigal: which is why I naively and liberally lean on vision and presence as being more and more important. If you see, a change or 'changemaker' often appears seemingly out of nowhere
    Eliza Madrigal: but it isn't, it is sort of a collective manifestation (imo)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Some people dont want to know Aggers :(
    Bruce Mowbray: Democracy requires truth -- not manipulated information to serve those in power.
    Agatha Macbeth: Thing is, changemakers can be two edged swords
    Eliza Madrigal: of course
    Aphrodite Macbain: I thin we need new kinds of leaders
    Agatha Macbeth: There's the rub
    Eliza Madrigal: but we're well beyond any point at which we can have enough info
    liaoni Resident: It's funny that this is the topic today because I actually wrote something in my profile recently on this subject.. well, about my fears.. I have seen my nearby colleges lose the humanities programs, one by one.. philosophy, writing, art.. and it's all being replaced with programs that are about running cogs through the machine. I have been very concerned about this lately
    Bruce Mowbray: Right, Eliza.
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's a problem everywhere, isn't it liaoni?
    Eliza Madrigal: concerns me too :( without humanities, how empathy?
    Bruce Mowbray: Me too, Liaoni -- being a liberal arts major myself.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I just got an MA in the Humanities and I feel like a dinosaur
    Eliza Madrigal: aw
    Riddle Sideways: thing is those cogs will be outdated in less then another decade and those students will need retraining
    Riddle Sideways: where the humanities stay a bit longers
    Aphrodite Macbain: Let's hope Riddle
    Agatha Macbeth: You should have got it in dinosaurities Aph
    liaoni Resident: the best kind of dinosaur <3 Joking aside, I think it'll be a virtue for you and you will come to value it greatly if you don't already :P
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins- darn why didn't I think of that?
    Eliza Madrigal: I have techi friends who insist that liberal arts majors are needed more than ever in their fields
    Eliza Madrigal: but I don't see that translating
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- I think I'm better for having spent those 3 years reading and writing on a diversity of topics
    Riddle Sideways: often Harari is saying that too, Eliza
    Bruce Mowbray: Do the limits of liberal education have anything to do with the limitations of liberal democracy?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Really Eliza? That's good to know;
    Eliza Madrigal: I just don't see it yet, though
    liaoni Resident: that's an interesting question bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: can you expand on tat Bruce?
    Riddle Sideways: also says philosophers may get it right, but will take the thousand years
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, just thinking about the disillusionment thing.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what are the limitations?
    Bruce Mowbray: Major global challenges.
    Bruce Mowbray: climate change,, nuclear weapons, poverty, etc.
    Aphrodite Macbain: how do they limit democracy?
    Bruce Mowbray: Are either liberal education or global institutions up to solving them/
    Eliza Madrigal: paradoxically new stories and heroes, but without idolizing them ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Maybe we're feeling disillusioned because we sued to think no problem was insolvable.
    liaoni Resident: well, if you look at maslow's hierarchy of needs, you quickly realize that a lot of political tactics are to undercut one or more of the factors that lead to self actualization.
    Bruce Mowbray: we're used to thinking*
    Aphrodite Macbain: A very large portion of the world is not run by democratic principles. Do you think that if they become liberal things will change? and if not, will it stay the same?
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't think there
    Bruce Mowbray: s much hope for change without liberalism.
    Aphrodite Macbain: uh oh
    Eliza Madrigal: doesn't he feel that is part of the problem, the blind spot of 'us' thinking for sure we know what 'they' need. What we call liberalism in the west has moved into oligarchy, etc... nothing stays stagnant so there will be hybrids
    Bruce Mowbray: Free speech, open borders, free trade, etc.... human rights.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Cat imagine N KOrea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey changing
    Aphrodite Macbain: Can't
    Riddle Sideways: Democraticy would be a great system if the vote were not restricted
    Bruce Mowbray: Democracy is a process....
    Tura Brezoianu: Who is it restricted from these days?
    Riddle Sideways: in us, georgia
    Eliza Madrigal nods Riddle, on the "things you can do" list, activist wise anyway
    Aphrodite Macbain: those countries I mentioned
    Riddle Sideways: in Catalonia
    Xirana Oximoxi: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: in (that other country that just had an election canceled
    Bruce Mowbray: If you're Black and live in North Carolina, good luck with your vote.
    Eliza Madrigal: even after voting for voting rights to be restored to felons in FL, some have had to be put under scrutiny to actually let that happen
    Agatha Macbeth: Shamocracy
    Eliza Madrigal: that's the up side of too much sms
    Riddle Sideways: and Fla. governor is doing something weird about it
    Riddle Sideways: ty Beel
    Agatha Macbeth: Zebub?
    Aphrodite Macbain: In Canada the issue is gerrymandering. The voting districts do not represent the population
    Eliza Madrigal: here too, definitely Aph
    liaoni Resident: mhm
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah good old Gerry
    Bruce Mowbray: Aph and I would really like for others to share the wealth of leading discussions on future chapters of this book. Next week is: Jan 17 Disillusionment: Artificial Intelligence
    Eliza Madrigal: but... I know I'm not the only one who sort of came more politically alive with the shock of a few years ago
    Riddle Sideways: can really talk about that ;)
    Riddle Sideways: so disillusioned by Alice and Botty
    Agatha Macbeth: Which shock Liz?
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes, Eliza. COuld be one of the best things that ever happened to America....
    Bruce Mowbray: Tronald Dump.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Alice?
    Eliza Madrigal: shocking, 'house is on fire' election
    Aphrodite Macbain: Amazing
    Agatha Macbeth: A few years ago?
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm lost
    Riddle Sideways: awake ... like slap in face
    Xirana Oximoxi: me too :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Do you want to lead next week's discussion Riddle?
    Agatha Macbeth: It was 2016 wasn't it?
    Riddle Sideways: oh no
    Agatha Macbeth: I thought you meant Kennedy or something
    Riddle Sideways: not a leader
    Aphrodite Macbain: we need leaders
    Aphrodite Macbain: liberal leaders :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I think the whole world is shocked and troubled. . . lies, scandals, collusions with dictators, etc etc etc.
    Agatha Macbeth: Be alert - we need lerts
    Riddle Sideways: us old people meant Kennedy
    Eliza Madrigal: I've always been generally alert and involved, but until 2016 I wasn't willing to put in the equivalent of part time work attention ... didn't see democracy as in danger within my lifetime
    Xirana Oximoxi: you do very well Aph and Bruce :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain tires to look like a lert but is unsure of its gender
    Agatha Macbeth: Be a lertess then
    Eliza Madrigal: Riddle were you volunteering to talk about AI?
    Aphrodite Macbain: JUst read the chapter
    Bruce Mowbray: Aph and I would really like for others to share the wealth of leading discussions on future chapters of this book. Next week is: Jan 17 Disillusionment: Artificial Intelligence ||| Do we have a volunteer (or two)?
    Aphrodite Macbain: gotta go! byeee all
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye Aph. Thanks!
    liaoni Resident: take care
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Aph!
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye Aph! tc
    Agatha Macbeth: TC Aphie
    Eliza Madrigal was skating with Botty and Alice before session :) They are full of questions. ^.^
    Riddle Sideways: but, few answers
    Agatha Macbeth: I may not make next week, will have to see how it goes
    Eliza Madrigal: fit right in
    Bruce Mowbray: Is Botty disillusioned?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh? If not I'll grab the log, but hope you're able to be here
    Riddle Sideways: oooo, if no aggers, I not coming either
    Agatha Macbeth: Nono, I'll getthe log whatever happens
    Eliza Madrigal: nice try
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay Agatha, just give the word :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully my browser will upload the damn pics this week
    Bruce Mowbray: kk, I will volunteer to take next week. . (said the Little Red Hen), would anyone care to join me in leading the session?
    Agatha Macbeth: Unlike last week
    Eliza Madrigal: I think it is the wiki... I always have trouble with that
    Agatha Macbeth: I even convert them, resize them...jeez
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm sorry... think I talked over people volunteering.. but what is needed, Bruce?
    liaoni Resident: I hope I wasn't too outspoken for my first visit. I didn't even read the chapter.. I just have thought a lot about the topic lately
    Bruce Mowbray: Just someone to read the material and to keep the conversation on topic and moving.
    Agatha Macbeth: I think you said more than me Lia :p
    Riddle Sideways: no, it was great you joined in
    Eliza Madrigal: liaoni I'm so glad you felt welcome to participate, and appreciate your insightfulness, thank you
    Bruce Mowbray: You were FINE, Liaona.
    liaoni Resident: you all had such a welcoming presence
    Bruce Mowbray: sp, sry.
    Eliza Madrigal: wow, thanks, highest compliment
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh we're like that...
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I really have to go now.
    Riddle Sideways: no doors to shut here
    Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay Bruce! Will be here next week and will read up
    Eliza Madrigal: THANKS
    Xirana Oximoxi: 'beautiful' people hehe
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, everyone.
    Riddle Sideways: yes Xir
    Eliza Madrigal grins @Riddle "no door" policy
    Eliza Madrigal: certainly no wall :P
    Xirana Oximoxi: thanks for the conversation and thougts! :-) see you soon!
    liaoni Resident: I must be off as well. It was a pleasure
    Agatha Macbeth: Another brick in...no
    liaoni Resident: lol!
    Riddle Sideways: no mo bricks
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks, lovely people. Wonderful discussion
    Eliza Madrigal: bfn
    liaoni Resident: I need that on a shirt. get on it and link me <3
    Riddle Sideways: thanks All
    liaoni Resident: I will buy
    Agatha Macbeth: We don't need no thought control
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Bleu could make one?
    Eliza Madrigal: liaoni hope to see you next week too
    Riddle Sideways: no dark sarcasim in the classroom
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe you'll get to meet Bleu
    liaoni Resident: I would love to ^_^
    Agatha Macbeth: She's awesome
    Eliza Madrigal: yay
    liaoni Resident: this was really refreshing
    Eliza Madrigal: we're a little vigorous :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Refreshing is hard to find in SL nowadays
    Riddle Sideways: by All, gotta go "Skating away, on the thin ice of a new day..."
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay bye everybody, have to find the dog
    Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
    Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
    liaoni Resident: take care everyone (:
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Tura :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh my
    Agatha Macbeth: Whistle!
    Agatha Macbeth: I love these guys

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