2019.02.21 13:00 - Harari VII - Community

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Aph. The comments are by Agatha. Because I fogot to take a pic this week (>.<), here's one of me posting the log :P


    Bleu Oleander's current display-name is "Bleu".
    Riddle Sideways: have never put those words in the same sentence
    Eliza Madrigal: If there is any place where words not combined before are put into good use, it is PaB ;-)
    Bleu Oleander: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain:'s current display-name is "Aph".
    Riddle Sideways: Hey Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello!
    Bleu Oleander: hey Aph :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :) pretty dress Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Tura
    Aphrodite Macbain: brb
    Bruce Mowbray's current display-name is "Bruce".
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :) Hi Bruce :)
    Bleu Oleander: hey Bruce :)
    Tura Brezoianu: you make it spring already, Eliza!
    Bleu Oleander: hi Tura :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I've seen some posting a few flowers here and there :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hey, everyone. :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles at Bruce's feet
    Aphrodite Macbain: bk
    Bruce Mowbray: wb, Aph.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Tx
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce has a firm grasp on the grass
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: This is our penultimate discussion on Harari's book
    Eliza Madrigal: My ipod has disappeared so I couldn't listen freshly, but I did read/listen to the section before
    Bruce Mowbray: Penultimate, yes.
    Eliza Madrigal: Is it?
    Bruce Mowbray: So, next week will conclude both the month and the book.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I finally finished it. Interesting how his solution is "just watch"
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'll re-read it one day
    Aphrodite Macbain: Here comes Aggers
    Bleu Oleander: I don't think he was trying to give any solutions really
    Eliza Madrigal: I must say, I wasn't planning to read it, but I've been pleased with the book as bringing together 'the issue', setting things out on the table
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Ello
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi aggers!
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, aggers.
    Riddle Sideways: Hey Aggers
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
    Bleu Oleander: hey Aggers :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I've read it over such an expanse of time, I forget most of it. :(
    Eliza Madrigal: Great pants :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: Pucci pants
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Not pukey
    Aphrodite Macbain: Not at all
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Liz looks somewhat colourful too
    Eliza Madrigal: "send in the clownnnnsss..."
    Aphrodite Macbain: So, how does your RL community compare with your SL community?
    Riddle Sideways: closer
    Aphrodite Macbain: I feel that in some cases they kno me better
    Aphrodite Macbain: know
    Aphrodite Macbain: I feel more able to share things in SL than in RL
    Bruce Mowbray looks around for his "RL community" . . . sees none.
    Riddle Sideways: Nomad's have communities?
    Aphrodite Macbain: just the birds and the squirrels Bruce?
    Riddle Sideways: *Hermits
    Eliza Madrigal: It has all become so blended for me the last decade. There are some downsides
    Bruce Mowbray: Nomad usually travel is tight communities - small but tight.
    Bleu Oleander: RL communities are much more layered and complex
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: in a good way?
    Aphrodite Macbain: or a bad way?
    Bruce Mowbray: Just squirrels and birds. . . and trees and stars.
    Bleu Oleander: for me yes
    Bleu Oleander: in a good way
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sometimes I learn better from my SL community
    Bruce Mowbray: Your RL communities are fostered by your online communities?
    Aphrodite Macbain: there is a sort of spaciousness
    Bleu Oleander: depends on what you're trying to learn I think
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: I live alone too so sometimes it's easier to connect with people by email and SL than it is to connect with RL people
    Aphrodite Macbain: The conversations are more measured
    Bleu Oleander: I was reading about "the gaze" of another ... being seen ... which I find not as intense virtually
    Riddle Sideways: lunch yesterday with a 30yr friend. Dinner tonight with 2 35yr friends
    Bruce Mowbray: I really have no way to judge whether “People live ever more lonely lives in an ever more connected planet.”
    Aphrodite Macbain: wow Riddle
    Agatha Macbeth: You and your foung friends...
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice
    Agatha Macbeth: young*
    Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting about the "gaze"
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Tura Brezoianu: You mean, people you're been friends with that long?
    Aphrodite Macbain: In some ways we are anonymous - visually anyway
    Riddle Sideways: yes, and then these 10yr, friends here
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have moved so often in my life, I have a hard time maintaining long-term friends
    Aphrodite Macbain: and I find it's important to actually see and hear them
    Aphrodite Macbain: in RL
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm exhausted maintaining friendships that aren't hm, rooted in some larger vision or something
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods why do you think that is Eliza?
    Bleu Oleander: wow ... 10 years here ... just now checking my date
    Riddle Sideways: almost Eliza
    Aphrodite Macbain: wow Bleu
    Tura Brezoianu: A friendship has to be about something, I think.
    Aphrodite Macbain: a reason to maintain the connection
    Eliza Madrigal: feels that way to me too, although I have many 'connections'
    Eliza Madrigal: Happy Anniversary Bleu :) Me too.... 10 years PaB as of Valentines Day last week (sorry to miss session!)
    Riddle Sideways: and also have so many light connections.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I fee I know people in SL better than I know people in RL
    Bleu Oleander: yes Happy Anniversary to you Eliza!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is it your Rzday?
    Eliza Madrigal: The word 'friend' has been diluted in our time I think... but I feel I've connected with many *here* enough to call you friends
    Eliza Madrigal: in the sacred sense


    Aphrodite Macbain: What makes a friend?
    Tura Brezoianu: "Facebook-friend" is something else.
    Riddle Sideways: is it?
    Eliza Madrigal: having 'seen' one another in some significant way
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, druth.
    druth Vlodovic: hey
    Riddle Sideways: thanks for dropping in, dRuth
    Riddle Sideways: ㋡
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Druth :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi druth :)
    Aphrodite Macbain watches druth land in the drink
    Eliza Madrigal: Aph you like the word 'sangha', me too :)
    Bleu Oleander: do you think online communities make us lazy to nurture RL communities?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- it cunjurse up another dimension of friendship
    Aphrodite Macbain: cunjures
    Agatha Macbeth: The noble sangha
    Aphrodite Macbain: My values and practice are supported by my sanga
    Aphrodite Macbain: and I need to practice all the time :)
    Riddle Sideways: once many of an online community came to RL house for a party, as friends
    Agatha Macbeth: I used to think it was a bird
    Bleu Oleander: how is 'sangha' different than community?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: they have a more supportive role for me
    Tura Brezoianu: I think sangha implies striving together to travel down a common path.
    Tura Brezoianu: Old joke: A friend is someone who will help you move house. A real friend is some who will help you move a body.
    Aphrodite Macbain: with a common purpose and values...
    Tura Brezoianu: A Facebook friend is someone who will "like" your pictures of moving house.
    Aphrodite Macbain: a body Tura?
    Johny Malheur's current display-name is "Johny Merveilleux".
    Johny Malheur: hi all
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Johny
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Johny
    druth Vlodovic: "A friend will bail you out of jail, a true friend will be sitting next to you in jail"
    Bleu Oleander: hi Johny
    Eliza Madrigal smiles, nodding....
    druth Vlodovic: hi Johny
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Johny.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Johny :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: You have been here before haven't you Johny?
    Johny Malheur: i have
    Eliza Madrigal: It isn't so simple of course. Every context has exceptions
    Bleu Oleander: brb
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are discussing how we define community Johny
    druth Vlodovic: oh god, that add, the guy walking around "Hey, I LIKE, your shirt. Hi Sarah, I LIKE, your lunch."
    Johny Malheur: ah
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm still musing about the laziness question. Thinking, "it may", but really RL communities are weakened because we don't 'have' to make due with them
    Aphrodite Macbain: Haven'tg seen that one...I guess u have to be there :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: make due?
    Eliza Madrigal: or, they (online communities) may make us lazier to build offline communities
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... when people were born into communities for generations... and the network was a given
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- I suppose it requires more energy and thought to build a RL commuity
    Eliza Madrigal: Not sure.... so much love and time and layers in PaB over many years....
    Aphrodite Macbain: Are cities aren't designed to support physical communities
    Aphrodite Macbain: Our not Are
    Riddle Sideways: rural towns are though
    Aphrodite Macbain: a la Jane Jacobs
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- but villages are rare
    Aphrodite Macbain: Farming communities are separated by great tracts of land
    Riddle Sideways: going down to local village there will always be a person known
    Aphrodite Macbain: I would like to live in a village with shigh speed trains to big cities
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm guessng that rural villages are far tighter communities than most large cities are.
    Aphrodite Macbain: You are lucky to have a local village Riddle
    Tura Brezoianu: I'd rather be in the big city, with high speed trains to the countryside.
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins
    Eliza Madrigal: Some of the comparison/measurement is simply nostalgia
    Bruce Mowbray hopes no one build a high speed train to his hermitage.
    Bruce Mowbray: +s
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: Although I do envy those who have strong RL communities... had always hoped PaB would become a hybrid as it seemed to be... however unlikely :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I live in a village within a large town
    Bruce Mowbray: Don't city folks find community in churches, clubs hobby groups, etc?
    Aphrodite Macbain: "the West End"
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes-
    druth Vlodovic: eh, my bestest of friends are ones I can call after a year and it isn't strange, other people seem to require regular maintenance
    Eliza Madrigal: "meetup.com"
    Bruce Mowbray nods to druth.
    Bleu Oleander: I think PaB would be a good hybrid if we met more often in rl
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Riddle Sideways: thank dRuth, makes note to call Karl
    Aphrodite Macbain: I find that after a while you dont have much to talk about after the initial connection though
    Eliza Madrigal: need to play more powerball
    druth Vlodovic: :P

    Usenet remembered

    Tura Brezoianu: I LIKE the Internet, it's a jewel (one of many) in the crown of civilisation. But I grew up before it, and my Internet life began back in the glory days of Usenet and email lists, before spam had been invented, before the web, before the eternal September. So that's what I think of as the real net.
    Tura Brezoianu: To me OF COURSE the Internet brought people together, and it still does. And today, here we all are, gathered around the virtual fountain.
    Tura Brezoianu: Ok, a lot of shit happens as well, but blaming the Internet is like blaming the printing press, or literacy itself.
    Tura Brezoianu: Kids these days, they don't know they're born. :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: "alone together"
    Eliza Madrigal: We're just learning how to flow with it all, and it keeps changing
    Aphrodite Macbain: what do you mean Tura?
    Bruce Mowbray ponders quality of sharing. . . in both worlds.
    Aphrodite Macbain: We share different things
    Aphrodite Macbain: the medium is the message
    Tura Brezoianu: Maybe not many here know what Usenet was, or the eternal September.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what is eternal September?
    Riddle Sideways: know them. remember that well
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Aphrodite Macbain notices Johny left
    Tura Brezoianu: Every September there would be an influx of new students at the universities, who would discover Usenet (a vast collection of distributed bulletin bboards).
    Aphrodite Macbain: why eternal?
    Tura Brezoianu: They'd behave like clueless newbies and the old hands would have to edicate them in the Way Things Are Done Here.
    Tura Brezoianu: Then a company called AOL brought Usenet to the general population.
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Tura Brezoianu: So it was like September all the time. New people were always discoveringit.
    Riddle Sideways: eternal becuase it is always September for newbies now
    Bleu Oleander: the seasoned are always educating the newbies
    Aphrodite Macbain: I find it reassuring...
    Agatha Macbeth: Lord I remember Usenet
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Aphrodite Macbain: there will always be people who want to learn and peaople to teach
    Tura Brezoianu: Then the web came and steamrollered everything and Usenet is now all but forgotten, living a zombie existence as groups.google.com.
    Eliza Madrigal: Aph, btw Johny does that almost every time he visits :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: odd
    Agatha Macbeth: Johny come lately
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Tura Brezoianu: Excuse the reminiscences of an oldie :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Oldies are good
    Aphrodite Macbain: they;re goodies
    Tura Brezoianu: The community thing goes on, though, in different forms.
    Eliza Madrigal: There are people writing now, about how to get the pace and connection back, without going backwards
    Aphrodite Macbain: But dont you think that we are more separated from our RL communities and friendsthan before. It's easier to send an email than make a phone call...
    Eliza Madrigal: I've always been separated, so can't say.. Or, have been connected for times and seasons, but never really rooted
    Riddle Sideways: and in some ways not, Aph
    Bleu Oleander: yes, need to work at rl communities and friends ... can't just sit at a computer and make it happen
    Aphrodite Macbain: right- perhaps it's laziness as Eliza suggested
    Riddle Sideways: phoning mom back then was a pocket of dimes out in a cold phone booth
    Eliza Madrigal: It isn't like sitting at a computer is not effort...
    Tura Brezoianu: Phones work as well as ever. Email and hphone serve different needs, depending on whether you need a conversation or just an eventual reply.
    Riddle Sideways: son and daugther cell phone every couple days
    Aphrodite Macbain: quite an image Riddle
    Eliza Madrigal: Laziness was Bleu's question, still musing with it :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I like to hear their voices. It's another dimension. Feels more physical
    Eliza Madrigal: Online is moving more toward video anyway
    Aphrodite Macbain: facetime?
    Bleu Oleander: computer is definitely easier for me than going out in the rl to be with people, but the effort has greater returns, at least for me
    Aphrodite Macbain: skype?
    Eliza Madrigal: so blending will happening in new ways... and AR/ VR
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, and Skype.
    Eliza Madrigal: lots of interviews happen through skype now too
    Riddle Sideways: going out in RL is an effort that is rewarded by a good glass of wine
    Eliza Madrigal: we used to do WG meetings that way
    Bleu Oleander: Riddle :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Your friends give you glasses of wine when you visit them Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: yep, don't your's
    Bleu Oleander: yep :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: so may of them dont drink :(
    Bruce Mowbray: I used to meet my men's group through Skype -- but found it sorely lacking. . . I guess I needed more of a 360 degree experience, nuances, body language, etc.
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Bruce.
    Bruce Mowbray: maybe even smells.
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm certainly not suggesting 0% RL, love RL gatherings :)
    Tura Brezoianu: There's a theory that sublime experience need to be kept rare, lest they be dulled by over-familiarity. So RL as a sublime experience to be carefully savoured could be a sort of backwards justification for the online world.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I feel better returning from a university class full of people than from a meeting in SL.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I wouldn't call my RL experiences sublime though Tura
    Aphrodite Macbain: hardly any of them
    Bruce Mowbray: Harari insists that our grounding comes throuh real life, intimate communities.
    Bleu Oleander: in many ways we know ourselves through knowing others ... bumping into rl people is a way of being seen and seeing ourselves
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Riddle Sideways: Harari does not know PaB grounding
    Aphrodite Macbain: Provied they give good hugs :)
    Eliza Madrigal: So many meaningful and precious connections made and nurtured in SL, then bursts of sublime, yes, in RL... but there are certainly limits. Have been having a hard time lately and feel sometimes lonelier not to be near people I feel close to, vulnerable with
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Aphrodite Macbain: where are they Eliza? Why cant you connect with them?
    Agatha Macbeth: Good question that
    Eliza Madrigal: just 'timing' really, in RL or SL... times and seasons
    Eliza Madrigal: It isn't about any particular structure or system
    Aphrodite Macbain: I find I am limited by my physical capabilities
    Aphrodite Macbain: I cant walk very easily with my bum knee, for instance
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: So I have become more isolated.
    Agatha Macbeth: Awww
    Aphrodite Macbain: and rely on phone calls and SL to connect with others
    Riddle Sideways: so, can sit and talk on phone or skype or SL
    Riddle Sideways: sanp
    Aphrodite Macbain: Once I have a new knee, I imagine things will improve. :)
    Eliza Madrigal: we live in a pretty miraculous time in many ways
    Bleu Oleander: indeed
    Agatha Macbeth: The bionic woman
    Aphrodite Macbain: heh
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think people connected with their RL community more 100 yeas ago
    Aphrodite Macbain: we have grown but have also disconnected with others
    Tura Brezoianu: If they fitted in. If they didn't (consider attitudes to sexual matters) they had a hard tim eof it.
    Eliza Madrigal nods, or could pretend to fit in without boiling over
    Aphrodite Macbain: Maybe we should organize another RL retreat
    Tura Brezoianu: and the Internet made it possible for outsiders to find each other safely.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: but allows us to keep our distance
    Aphrodite Macbain: which isnt always a good thing
    Riddle Sideways: then again, some of you look better in SL
    Bleu Oleander: churches used to provide communities for many and that's lessened in recent years
    Eliza Madrigal: we're learning :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Aphrodite Macbain: I certainly do
    Eliza Madrigal: have to see the avatar in each others' eyes
    Riddle Sideways: ah
    Aphrodite Macbain: we present a persona of our own making
    Aphrodite Macbain: winks
    Bleu Oleander: and skill level :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I think phones are way more of a problem than mere internet
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh?
    Aphrodite Macbain: how?
    Riddle Sideways: proof checking during a dinner converstaion
    Eliza Madrigal: they break down mannered compartments...have to be very conscious not to allow them
    Bleu Oleander: people gazing into their phones constantly?
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, and having to be constantly avail to outside forces
    Eliza Madrigal: "Where were you??"
    Eliza Madrigal: just feeling of urgency built into too many things
    Eliza Madrigal: Although, I did make a new friend through texts this week... sending her photos of the cats we got adopted out :)
    Riddle Sideways: too fast a paced life
    Eliza Madrigal: yes Riddle... Harari does things to mitigate that
    Eliza Madrigal: a lot of techie people are doing so now actually, leaving phones behind more, silent retreats, etc
    Eliza Madrigal: work in balance
    Bruce Mowbray: So, whether onlilne or offline, it's the quality of the sharng that counts, huh?
    Riddle Sideways: yep
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain likes the idea of a silent retreat. It allows you to say nothing to anyone without guilt
    Tura Brezoianu: People always find ways to adapt. But everyone panics while they're doing that and think the sky is falling.
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: we just have to be thoughtful about it
    druth Vlodovic: I just lock the door, but after a few days you have to go out :(
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: darn shopping
    Aphrodite Macbain: darn work
    Riddle Sideways: darn friends
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: and all communities change, RL/SL/etc.
    Riddle Sideways: yep
    Aphrodite Macbain: as do we
    Eliza Madrigal: very much so
    Riddle Sideways: nope
    Riddle Sideways: not us
    Eliza Madrigal: lol
    Bleu Oleander: all is change
    Aphrodite Macbain: :)
    druth Vlodovic: "For supper tonight we have... pie filling!"
    Bruce Mowbray: YUM YUM!
    Aphrodite Macbain: delicious
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Blueberry?
    Aphrodite Macbain: May I ask... what are we going to read in March?
    druth Vlodovic: I like to think morphing, the changes are often gradual, and even the big ones tend to be part of an ongoing trend with someone


    Eliza Madrigal: sorry if I was a downer today... I have an inbuilt community and one of them is moving out of state next month...
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm sorry Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: so I'm having my empty nest freak out early, even though it won't be empty :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: That will make you sad.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I had to euthanize my male cat- I felt I had lost a friend
    Eliza Madrigal: awwww
    Agatha Macbeth: :(
    Eliza Madrigal: (((Aph)))) that's so hard
    Riddle Sideways: :(
    druth Vlodovic: (( aph ))
    Aphrodite Macbain: His mother wont stop crying
    Bruce Mowbray: Rough.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: How old is his mother?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I even got a condolence card from my vet!
    Aphrodite Macbain: She's about 14
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh lord
    Bruce Mowbray: I must be off. Have a meditation group at the top of the hour.
    Eliza Madrigal: Good vet
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks to all of you.
    Bleu Oleander: sorry Aph ... that's always hard!
    Tura Brezoianu: bye Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bruce, thanks for hosting!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Bruce. Thanks for joining us
    Agatha Macbeth: Scrape well Brucie
    Riddle Sideways: by bruce
    Bleu Oleander: gotta go too
    Bruce Mowbray: OK.. Bye for now.
    Bleu Oleander: take care all
    Agatha Macbeth: TC Bleuji
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Bleu and thanks for all your help with my art work
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll send you my art thingy tomorrow
    Bleu Oleander: bye Aph and yw!
    Bleu Oleander: reminder: art projects due tomorrow!
    Riddle Sideways: shot
    Eliza Madrigal hides
    Agatha Macbeth: Just said that :p
    Bleu Oleander: and opening on Sunday March 3 11-noon
    Aphrodite Macbain: next week
    Bleu Oleander: bye y'all
    Agatha Macbeth: Huggies
    Riddle Sideways: by All
    Aphrodite Macbain: Byee
    Tura Brezoianu: goodnight all
    druth Vlodovic: ttfn
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nite Tura
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye all :)

    Eliza Madrigal: I wore this big skirt to hide under... not so effective ^.^
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought it was your art piece Liz :)
    Eliza Madrigal: that's why I need to hide.... definitely not going to finish :(
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Eliza Madrigal: Awesome that you did though!
    Agatha Macbeth: Knock up something impressionistic ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hey I haven't done it yet :P
    Eliza Madrigal: I spent all my time tweaking dresses
    Eliza Madrigal: no?
    Agatha Macbeth: Speaking of which I see Karl Lagerfeld died
    Eliza Madrigal: oh... didn't know...
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh 85
    Eliza Madrigal: 85 is an okay age to go... full life and all that :)
    Eliza Madrigal: always too young for loved ones
    Agatha Macbeth: True
    Agatha Macbeth: Think I'd take that and stick
    Eliza Madrigal: stick?
    Agatha Macbeth: As in stick and twist
    Agatha Macbeth: Tou know?
    Agatha Macbeth: Pontoon?
    Eliza Madrigal crinkles eyebrows
    Agatha Macbeth: OK maybe not :P
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry
    Agatha Macbeth: What a sheltered life you have led
    Eliza Madrigal: ha...yes
    Eliza Madrigal: I mean, just look at me lazing in a ball gown on a warm day
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably why you're so adorable
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyways
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll go and log this
    Eliza Madrigal: ((( )))) thanks for hosting, too
    Eliza Madrigal: bye for now
    Agatha Macbeth: YW
    Agatha Macbeth: Hugs and Kißes

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    Eliza Madrigal: I'm still musing about the laziness question. Thinking, "it may", but really RL communities are weakened because we don't 'have' to make due with them
    Aphrodite Macbain: make due? [snip]
    Eliza Madrigal: or, they (online communities) may make us lazier to build offline communities

    :) What I wanted to say but was hard in that moment (second was me trying to rephrase the first but didn't make sense):

    I don't see online connections as less important or real or meaningful, and certainly the people one connects with online are not less real people. Online life bridges distances. But importantly, both types of communities take a lot of effort to nurture.

    I enjoy my RL friendships, activities and connections, but I don't know if I feel the need for a RL community in the same way Play-as-Being has been a RL community for me. PaB happened organically - I wasn't looking for it. I would *like* that, if it opens up and happens, and sometimes it does here and there if I follow an interest, but don't need to pursue it, if that makes sense.

    Where there have been incredible connections and learning opportunities, and in PaB's case, incredible collectively rich spontaneous connections, a lot of effort has come with. Sometimes 'effortless effort', but a lot of the other kind too. edited 23:42, 21 Feb 2019
    Posted 23:39, 21 Feb 2019
    Also, I LOVE this photo Agatha! :)
    Posted 23:43, 21 Feb 2019
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