07-09 - Attending to the Music

    Table of contents
    No headers


    It was a particular treat to pour through the logs from these days. Having just returned from San Francisco, I took great pleasure in 'catching up', even while realizing how impossible that would be. :)

    We start off with a playful and clever Calvino, wearing his Story-teller's hat:

    2010.04.07 01:00 - "Fed" Cal is telling a story

    Calvino Rabeni: "So Lola, I get the feeling you're not quite leveling with me"
    Calvino Rabeni: "Maybe a little of *this* will help"
    Calvino Rabeni: She took a good stiff belt of my Old Crow and regarded me with eyes that were somehow dreamy and dangerous at the same time
    Darren Islar is sitting at the point of his chair
    Calvino Rabeni: "Sam, if you don't help me find Jimmy, I just don't know *what* I might do"
    Calvino Rabeni: Lola, let me tell you something - I've seen this type of case before. Jimmy's probably down at the Five Bells pub or some joint like that, strung on on Phenomenology
    Calvino Rabeni: "Phenomenology, Mr. Spade? That sounds dangerous"
    Calvino Rabeni: Not to worry Lola - it isn't as dangerous as it sounds - really its just hard to pronounce.
    Darren Islar smiles

    Then move on to a beautiful session in which Eden introduces a special cookie ...

    2010.04.07 07:00 - Sharing Pears, Cookies, & Silence That Covers Everything

    Eden Haiku: Fingers's gateway / The silence that covers it all / Loud sunshine mountain

    Eden Haiku: read in a Christaine Singer book something like this:
    Always stand as if you were standing in front of a great Being. Even when you are alone.

    Eliza Madrigal: Wow
    Eliza Madrigal: that's quite powerful
    Eden Haiku: Decision making in front of a great Being. :)))
    Eliza Madrigal feels that
    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes when I act in a small way, I sense that there are large (or multiple) reverberations depending on the level or quality of attention....
    Eliza Madrigal: perhaps in the same way that fingers can be a gateway
    Eliza Madrigal: like whatever I have 'there', 'here', is enough
    Eliza Madrigal: but Knowing it is, Matters

    Eden Haiku: Prous'st piece about 'The little madeleine' (eternity in a tea cake) is the most wonderful piece of all French literature I think. Let me see if I can find it on the web in English...

    Eden Haiku: http://bit.ly/8rPRQ1

    Eliza Madrigal: OOoh, thank you Eden! You will be my gateway to fine French literature
    Eden Haiku: It is called 'The cookie' in English.
    Eliza Madrigal: :) printing to take to the doc's office
    Eden Haiku: In French 'madeleine, is both a cake and the name of a girl.
    Eliza Madrigal: Yakuzza... seems the bell interrupted you... a bell with bad timing, who would think :)
    Eden Haiku: When I read that for the fisrt time (I was 15), I thought it was the story of a little girl.
    Eden Haiku: But them reading it, I was shell shocked.
    Eden Haiku: I became a writer reading this I believe.
    Eliza Madrigal: !

    Guardians discuss the ever-illusive "Creativity"...

    2010.04.07 13:00 - On Creativity

    Darren Islar: you can be creative by actually make something
    Calvino Rabeni: Creativity has a sense of bringing new things into existence
    Darren Islar: but you can also be creative by having a thought
    Darren Islar: by doing and action
    Calvino Rabeni: But that creates a "new" knowledge
    Zon Quar: yes i think newness is a key
    Darren Islar: by making a joke at just the right time
    Calvino Rabeni: even if it is a thought not expressed physically
    Vajra Raymaker: oh, Darren! That is such a good example
    Wol Euler nods.
    Zon Quar: Creativity is a mental process involving the discovery of new ideas or concepts, or new associations of the existing ideas or concepts, fueled by the process of either conscious or unconscious insight.
    Zon Quar: from Wiki
    Zon Quar: newness is there
    Wol Euler: hmmmm
    Darren Islar: wellI think every situation creates new things
    Zon Quar: and mental process
    Darren Islar: every situation is new
    Wol Euler: that sounds like something that happens, rather than something one does.

    And Stevenaia shares a new part of his personal practice:

    2010.04.07 19:00 - What did you learn today?

    stevenaia Michinaga: At the end of my Tai Chi Class my teachers asked each of the students..."What did you learn from class today" : (this was yesterday)
    stevenaia Michinaga: and I was thinking that although there are always many things, it's sometimes nice to identify one thing : one thing to take note of, to take with you for tomarrow and forever to remember the day

    SO I was thinking, while Bleu was here ... in silence for a bit, trying to remember what one good thing I did or learned today.... and each day so I can take that with me from this day forward, a good meditation to take with me for the 90 seconds, perhaps

    Friends play with ideas of gender and species... 

    2010.04.08 01:00 - I am a lobster in real life

    Crusty Goldshark: Confusion is my natural state
    Zen Arado: we were talking about gender issues Crusty
    Crusty Goldshark: I am a Lobster in real life -
    Zen Arado: and using alts of a different sex than you normally have
    Zen Arado: :)
    Crusty Goldshark: ah yes - well I am a definite gender in real life but quite happy to be human in SL
    Darren Islar: well, then you changed a lot Crusty
    Zen Arado: women's sexuality is more fluid than that of a male I think
    Zen Arado: males have more rigid roles
    Crusty Goldshark: well I feel gender is important for sex procreation and warfare and sport which men seem to enjoy . . .
    Darren Islar: yes I think your right
    Crusty Goldshark: well I have just been playing a game as a woman - it was either that or a martian . 

    And Widget describes how she 'plays as being' ...

    2010.04.08 07:00 - american trains and the meaning of pab

    2010.04.08 07:00 - american trains and the meaning of pab

    Widget Whiteberry: Sitting here with all you around this pool, I am focusing on being here - and not multi-tasking at my computer. When the 90 sec bell rang, I took a deep breath and noticed what all my senses were offering my mind : If I can do that for 9 secs as I go about my day, I suspect I will 'come back to the moment' refreshed
    Pema Pera: yes, there is a huge difference between sitting here while multitasking and sitting here and actually being here fully, if virtually!
    Bleu Oleander: the same in rl
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i still have the issue that i actually do the breathing but still have a problem to communicate little things that feel inimportant when in fact they aren´t
    Widget Whiteberry: if I think of my day as a dance, the 9 sec pauses are like the little moments when we stop and shift or hold our weight
    Pema Pera nods to Bleu
    Pema Pera: perhaps changes our partners, like in a square dance :)
    Pema Pera: switch to other worries . . . :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I think I actually understand the dance metaphor Widget >)
    Widget Whiteberry: or switch off worries for a moment and just attend to the music
    Pema Pera: yes, much better!
    Widget Whiteberry grins at Archmage

    Darren shares a favorite story with much detail ...

    2010.04.08 13:00 - about mantra's

    Darren Islar: It is my own interpretation, but the blessings tell us something of what you bring out of your previous lives
    Darren Islar: big street obviously had worked hard, and gained a lot of good karma
    Darren Islar: but small street probably did something special
    Darren Islar: once upon a time
    Lia Rikugun: what do you mean by that: special?
    Darren Islar: I don't know, maybe one day he did the right thing
    Lia Rikugun: hm
    Darren Islar: without studying for it
    Darren Islar: just knowing
    Darren Islar: could be anything
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Darren Islar: there are more stories like that
    Mickorod Renard: maybe he was just innocent,,even though he was lazy
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he wasn't lazy

    And Time Space Knowledge wonderfully spills... into Play as Being...

    2010.04.08 19:00 - Learning How to Read TSK

    Paradise Tennant: Cal has been instructing us on how to read tsk
    Pema Pera: reading the TSK book is an interesting challenge, what did you recommend, Calvino?
    Calvino Rabeni: Personal impressions actually, and I think, what I remember of what class participants said
    Pema Pera: it looks like prose, it tastes like poetry, it feels like a jack hammer sometimes :-)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles wow
    Pema Pera: and sometimes like a feathered bed
    stevenaia Michinaga: was it Stim who gave it a voice that complex?
    Pema Pera: he wrote that first book yes, based on many taped conversations with Tarthang Tulku, and then of course going over the text many times with Tarthang Tulku
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Pema Pera: so it was a collaborative process in that sense, though the inspiration for the composition came largely from Tarthang Tulku as I understand it
    Pema Pera: But Steven with his philosophy of science could give a voice to it that a recently immigrated Tibetan could never have done
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Pema Pera: and Steven had progressed sufficiently in the few years that he had studied with Tarthang Tulku to have had enough experience himself to know what he was writing about
    Paradise Tennant: knowing it as you do .. what comes to your mind most ...when you think about it
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: so much . . . it really has become part of my life, because it fitted so well with what I had been looking for during the ten years before I found it
    Calvino Rabeni: I think theres a style of "Stim" in the text
    Pema Pera: from age 17 to 27 I had been looking for ways to integrate, or better find an already existing unity of, science and religion : and that book was the very first that gave me a glimmer of real hope that it could be done
    Pema Pera: nothing else went deep enough
    Pema Pera: nothing else was radical enough
    Pema Pera: true to the rigorous quality control of physics AND contemplative traditions
    Calvino Rabeni: That must have been heartening
    Pema Pera: yes, very much so. That was in 1980 that the book found me :-)
    Pema Pera: I found Steven 16 year later in Berkeley . . .
    Paradise Tennant: steven wrote the book in 1980?
    stevenaia Michinaga: he must have been quite young
    Pema Pera: no, a few years earlier; I met the book in September 1980
    Pema Pera: yes, late twenties

    Calvino Rabeni: I wanted to make a comment about the "dropping" practice I haven't heard here before - about its inner structure - sometimes the effects of what my mind does during that 90 seconds initiate a process that continues to unfold slowly throughout the rest of the session.
    Pema Pera: that's very nice, Calvino!
    Pema Pera: yes, a little tear in our veils can keep unraveling more and more of its surroundings
    Pema Pera: we all have so many of them . . . . .
    Calvino Rabeni: The reason I think it deserves saying, is I think there's a tacit assumption that what you do with the mind only affects what is happening during the time attention is being controlled
    Calvino Rabeni: but it seems to go much beyond that
    Pema Pera: one moment of jealousy can spoil your whole day (and that of others) . . . :-)
    Pema Pera: (or envy, still haven't learned the distiction)
    Pema Pera: (same word in Dutch)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes OTOH I was reading an old blog by Stim about whether the short focus "9-sec" could have any effect
    Calvino Rabeni: because it is so brief. This is a rationale for "Yes!"

    Quoting from _Time, Space, Knowledge_:

    Pema Pera: An integrated, natural intelligence, unfragmented into reason, emotions, sensations, and intuition, is our greatest treasure, and our key to progress. Exploring our realm of experience with such an intelligence can be an inspiring undertaking. If, for instance, such an open intelligence is brought into play in reading this book, even the reading and thinking process itself can become a visionary path. Through integrating a theoretical approach with one which is more experiential, we can actually begin to change our lives.

    Then we find ourselves back with stories and their tellers ... 

    2010.04.09 01:00 - Human nature is stronger than furniture arrangement


    Archmage Atlantis: Interesting how that style of hat is associated with individuals in detective work........My father was a railroad detective
    Wol Euler: "Complication is my middle name." Brilliant.
    Calvino Rabeni: TY. I was impressed by the way the genre is understood widely outside USA
    Calvino Rabeni: Everyone has seen it I suppose, translated to their language
    Wol Euler nods.
    Calvino Rabeni: but a lot of it is idiom and slang.
    Wol Euler: we've all seen the films
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a radio humorist - Garrison Keillor, who does a funny regular skit called "Guy Noir" about some crazy detective
    Calvino Rabeni: I dunno how well these translate for non-american speakers
    Archmage Atlantis: Before Keller there was a group called "Firesign Theator" that did a similar character in a mock radio show
    Calvino Rabeni: "Nick Danger"
    Calvino Rabeni: "Third Eye"
    Archmage Atlantis: Yep
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Archmage Atlantis: Nick would read his name backwards looking out through the glass on his office window.....
    Archmage Atlantis: Talk about a change of perspective *g*
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: do people still have their names written in mock-gold leaf on glass doors?
    Wol Euler: I can't think when I was last in that kind of office building, if ever.
    Archmage Atlantis: No one has doors anymore
    Wol Euler: true, that would be it.

    So, what IS laziness?

    2010.04.09 07:00 - Looking at Laziness


    Yakuzza Lethecus: what is laziness ? is lazyness a decision to avoid something we learned / something that we don´t appreciate / and it´s not about becoming virtuous to do it through all the pain would we still not do something when we´ve learned to drop the non appreciation of that situation and when we don't see any sense in a particular situation is it really lazyness that makes us stop doing something since being active will usually have much better outcome on the long term, so is there true lazyness ?

    Pema Pera: often we are too lazy to look clearly which type of laziness just came up, haha
    Darren Islar: :-) @ Pema
    Pema Pera: and I think same with "should", Darren, some of the should feelings are obstacles, but some are a kind of natural wisdom of our body and mind
    Darren Islar: (toe hurts, for Yaku standing on it :-))
    Eliza Madrigal: thinking... it seems helpful to look at it as a moment-by-moment thing... the pull toward the 'easier' way... which sometimes is avoidance...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i did that on intention :) *looks mean at darren*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes there's that Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: and to nurture something which asks that
    Gaya Ethaniel: I think laziness [perhaps fear] about looking into "what types of laziness it is" is a tough one.
    Pema Pera: yes : and a funny one too
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    Never too lazy for onigokko it seems...

    2010.04.09 13:00 - Friday night sillyness, dresses and strange decorations

    Wol Euler: the silence after an oni is always startling
    Agatha Macbeth: And silent
    Agatha Macbeth: Does anyone get any interesting results if they do a meditation straight after an ONIGOKKO?
    Eliza Madrigal can think of pausing during onigokko... seems quite a picture of practicing amidst the chaos and distractions of life :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Or the chaos and distractions of you know what...
    Qt Core: ar even that after all that running you end up in the same place
    Eliza Madrigal: rampant silliness?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh yes QT, a great animation would be one where we could switch cushions... throw them around :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Musical cushions?
    Eliza Madrigal: not that I'm dissing oni.. you know
    Darren Islar: great
    Qt Core: don't startle the scripters around or log reading!@
    Agatha Macbeth: Course not
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Yowww

    Lucinda Lavender: I have danced to Walter the Waltzing Worm already today ...
    Wol Euler: my life is incomplete.
    Eliza Madrigal: Not too many people can say that Lucinda

    And occasionally other kinds of excercize...

    2010.04.09 19:00 - Standing, Pondering a Sky with Happy Feet

    Eliza Madrigal: Must be the chi insisting to add more subtle physical things into practice :)
    Pila Mulligan: it wants to *wake* up too may sound more appropriate in the PaB context, but I was thinking of how the chi finds its way through the spine by practice and that kind of growth
    Pila Mulligan: yes, exactly Eliza
    Pila Mulligan: it can only insist so much though, you have to help it guide you
    Eliza Madrigal: even in the pauses at times... stretching... checking posture... though I've often done that
    Pila Mulligan: yep :)
    Calvino Rabeni: There is a certain lengthening of the spine that I feel, has to arise from within it
    Pila Mulligan: to me that is the actual value of the 9 second pause
    Pila Mulligan: like a yoga
    Pila Mulligan: not the only value, but most actual to me
    Eliza Madrigal: makes sense
    Pila Mulligan: yes, Cal, it really does feel like the spine lengthens , doesnt it
    Eliza Madrigal: lenthening of the spine, Cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Pila Mulligan: stretching kind of
    Calvino Rabeni: from within
    Pila Mulligan: :) yep

    Calvino Rabeni: There is an element to it that's important - to trust one's own process and its emergence (rather than imposing it to match a mental image)
    Pila Mulligan: modesty is the most auspicious of all the essential images int he I Ching, by the way
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: We are not trying to conform to a pattern
    Pila Mulligan: it is the only gua with no negative connotations
    Calvino Rabeni: that we know in advance
    Eliza Madrigal: Ahhhh...rare then
    Pila Mulligan: occasional :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Calvino I appreciate that distinction very much....
    Eliza Madrigal: like standing this morning... there was room enough in my practice to do so
    Eliza Madrigal: but I'd guess like many things, one can become strict about it
    Calvino Rabeni: Many people don't get "into" the practice because they fear not knowing how to do it "right"
    Pila Mulligan: as opposed to simply doing it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: with happy feet
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes - "right" is simply doing it :)

    Tag page (Edit tags)
    • No tags
    You must login to post a comment.
    Powered by MindTouch Core