04-06 Mick is even later (work in progress)

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    Mickorod Renard is the scribe for these days.

    I regret I am a bit late , but late is better than never at all (I hope). The selections of the May chat logs that I have chosen are fun to read regardless of date, in fact they are to me timeless. I would prefer to think of them as reminders of the diverse nature of our discussions at play as being and in some way my effort to hold onto them that little bit longer. While I was writing this I felt a sort of shock of sadness that so much dialog that passes between us is lost from our thoughts as the busy toll of lifes needs moves us on, a bit like waves washing footprints from the beach after each change of tide.

     2010.05.04 13:00

    Fael Illyar: was a very nice short moment here :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Like a may fly ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh well...
    Calvino Rabeni: Lives for a day
    Agatha Macbeth: Damn, I never got the chance to ask her where she got it
    Wol Euler: perhaps oak trees look at us and think what short lives we have, how purposeless and brief it must feel for us
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, 'from little acorns' and all that
    Calvino Rabeni: The cyprus may pity the maple
    Calvino Rabeni: But envy the Fern
    Agatha Macbeth: Do trees pity each other?
    Calvino Rabeni: Insofar as they appear intelligent, I suppose they must
    Wol Euler: pehaps they are conversing all the time, at a speed far too slow for us to note
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I believe that very well the case
    Agatha Macbeth: Like Ents
    Wol Euler grins
    Calvino Rabeni: They are known to warn their family members of approaching hazards
    Agatha Macbeth: Trees are?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    Wol Euler: fwooooo
    Wol Euler: -f
    Calvino Rabeni: They have a distributed immune system
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps we do also
    Agatha Macbeth: The sad thing is, there wouldn't be a lot they could do about it anyway
    Agatha Macbeth: Rooted to the spot and all that
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, they alter their chemistry to resist specific insects
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, I've heard of that
    Wol Euler: well, one might say that until about 2 centuries ago we were (socially) rooted too. Four hundred years ago, the majority of people probably didn't travel ten miles in their whole lives
    Agatha Macbeth nods. Sounds a lot like me
    Calvino Rabeni: Recently I went into a library at random, picked out a book at random, opened to a page at random, and got - "The world's largest organism is a 2300 acre fungus living in Oregon. It is as yet unnamed"
    Agatha Macbeth: Holy crap
    Wol Euler: oh, yes, I read about that on wikipedia recently.
    Wol Euler: quite amazing
    Agatha Macbeth: That's a *big* mushroom

    Calvino Rabeni: I have to go do something mundane today
    Wol Euler cheers
    Calvino Rabeni: it has to do with a broken pipe and a trip to the hardware store
    Agatha Macbeth: Mundane in Oregon???
    Wol Euler: sounds like a film
    Wol Euler: with meg ryan

    2010.05.04 19:00

    Eden Haiku: I have been using an alarm on my iPod as you did on your iPHone.
    Eos Amaterasu: ah
    Eden Haiku: Wonderful experience!
    Eos Amaterasu: Every 15 minutes?
    Eden Haiku: Otherwise, I remember the 15 minutes only 25 minutes or even 3 hours later!

    Eden Haiku: Yes, did it for a whole day, for 12 hours.
    Eos Amaterasu: That would be one way to do a retreat

    Eden Haiku: But then on Sunday, I was with people so I put it off...Do you keep yours permanently?
    Eos Amaterasu: Say, on sunday we all do this, using whatever devices or tricks to actually do the 9 secs every 15 minutes


    Eden Haiku: I stopped, froze, breathed, or moved sometimes, even danced once or twice.
    Eos Amaterasu: so everything's already dropped
    Eos Amaterasu: the big easy
    Eden Haiku: Yes, sometimes you can feel the pull of action...
    Eden Haiku: I wrote some haikus after each stopping (it doubled the time for my house chores).
    Eos Amaterasu: eyewitness being / everything's already dropped /
    Eos Amaterasu: (please complete haiku :-)
    Eden Haiku: syllables all cyberpunked
    Eos Amaterasu: (my iPhone just dinged :-)

    eyewitness being
    everything's already dropped
    syllables all cyberpunked

    Eos Amaterasu: I like that :-)

    Eden Haiku: Here is the Kuan Yin oracle I got this morning:

    The evergreens endure the harshest winters.
    They give of their sweetness in the spring.
    They give of their strength even after the axe has fallen.

    2010.05.05 01:00

    Calvino Rabeni: Today I day a car bumper sticker with a slogan getting at the same thing - "Imagination - the gateway to Reality"
        Bolonath Crystal: hm... to me reality and imagination isn't so different at all
        Calvino Rabeni: RIght true
        Aztlan Foss: yeah but reality tends to clash with other people's imagination
        Aztlan Foss: you can see the contrast best when you have a great idea for something
        Aztlan Foss: it's always great untill you try to actuall make it
        Aztlan Foss: once it's outside your head it somehow changes, it's different
        Calvino Rabeni: The neurophilosopher Thomas Metzinger puts it entertainingly, in an evolutionary perspective - why it should be useful to have a self, and one with a great imagination
        Calvino Rabeni: http://docartemis.com/brainsciencepo...p67-metzinger/
        Calvino Rabeni: This was about evolving consciousness as a virtual reality that is SO successful, we don't even recognize that is what it is :)
        Calvino Rabeni: A truly astounding accomplishment
        Bolonath Crystal: in fact
        Bolonath Crystal: but nothing new actually
        Bolonath Crystal: it is written in the vedas
        Bolonath Crystal: it is fascinating how old and new wisdom meet each other
        Calvino Rabeni: So perhaps, for science to get there, will complete a huge cycle of thinking - yes

    The conversation carries on for some time and is well worth looking up the log to follow it.

    2010.05.05 07:00

    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, well I've always loved the concept of Shabbat... observed it for a while actually...
    Lucinda Lavender: ah!
    Eliza Madrigal: and I had a dear mentor/Friend who would, once a year, ask forgiveness of everyone... for things she may have known AND for things not known...
    Lucinda Lavender: lovely...
    Eliza Madrigal: there seems a real beauty in that ... whether one is 'religious' or not
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: I participated in Shabbat at a dream retreat once.
    Lucinda Lavender: I remember the specail washing of hands before the meal...
    Lucinda Lavender: pouring of water I think.
    Eliza Madrigal: each act means something... is a view
    Eliza Madrigal: an acknowledgement ...humility
    Lucinda Lavender: I dreamed about it after as well..
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
    Lucinda Lavender: repeated the experience in the dream I think, it must have had a meaning for me.
    Eliza Madrigal: What was your sense about that meaning?
    Lucinda Lavender: Also in the dream there was knowing we need to fly United...to such gatherings:)
    Eliza Madrigal: United!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Eliza Madrigal loves the humor of dreams
    Lucinda Lavender: the honoring of the water and its use?
    Lucinda Lavender: purification?
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: that makes elegant sense

    2010.05.05 13:00

    Woolcinder Oxidor: i recall a mystic work on the place of the conference of the birds
    Zen Arado: http://oldpoetry.com/opoem/show/2492...e-Of-The-Birds
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello fountain in the middle
    Woolcinder Oxidor: yes Zen exactly what i was thinking about ...thanks for the link

    Woolcinder Oxidor: Attar was a perfumer...and thus his name which literally means perfumer in arabic
    Zen Arado: interseting poem
    Woolcinder Oxidor: while he was in his shop a beggar came to him asking for money
    Woolcinder Oxidor: and he said...you beg for money...how will you give your life to your Lord
    Woolcinder Oxidor: the beggaer said like this....he lied down ..placed his chalice on his chest and died

    Zen Arado: "So long as we do not die to ourselves, and so long as we identify with someone or something, we shall never be free. The spiritual way is not for those wrapped up in exterior life.5"
    Pema Pera: how do you see that, Zen, dying to yourself?
    Zen Arado: same messages in so many spiritual paths
    Zen Arado: seeing through the attachments of ego
    Zen Arado: and dropping them
    Fefonz Quan liked the life.5 version :)
    Pema Pera: can you give an example?
    Zen Arado: thinking...
    Woolcinder Oxidor: it also has a link to Fitzgeralds translation ..its more comprehensive
    Zen Arado: dropping self aggrandizement
    Woolcinder Oxidor: http://oldpoetry.com/opoem/show/1322...ranslation-of-
    Pema Pera: how do you do that?
    Zen Arado: by noticing it first
    Zen Arado: noticing the ways I try to do that
    Zen Arado: sometimes seeing is enough
    Zen Arado: but old habits die hard for me
    Pema Pera: :)
    Liza Deischer: seeing is the start of a process

    2010.05.06 01:00

    I have pasted this complete as noone turned up for this session, yet this extract from Zen is facinating and well worth reading, thankyou Zen

    Comments are by Zen Arado. No one showed up, so I am putting up some extracts about coping with desires by Ken Mc Leod from a recent Tricycle article that I found very interesting.

    " What causes me to suffer? Wanting. Renunciation, then, means not so much giving up things, desires, or a way of life, but giving up desiring itself....

    The mechanism of desire is based on a belief: I am incomplete as I am now. Desire is misdirected yearning that tries to correct the imbalance created by that belief....

    THE FIRST KEY is to stop seeking security....

    THE SECOND KEY is to let go of expectations for emotional fulfillment. 

    THE THIRD KEY is to know the groundlessness of experience itself: no one to be, nowhere to go....

    You practice internal renunciation by moving into the experience of desire, instead of trying to fulfill or suppress it.

    Pick something you want: a physical object, a relationship, or some form of recognition. Let the feeling of desire arise. Experience how it arises in your body, feel all the emotions it triggers, and let all the stories it tells just be there. Don’t be distracted. Don’t try to control the experience. Don’t work at anything. If you discover another level of yearning, move into that. When you move into the desire completely, a shift takes place and you know it as just an arising in experience. Now look at the object of your desire again. What has changed?

    By going into the experience of desire itself, rather than acting on it, you let go of the belief that you are incomplete....

    Full article:  http://www.tricycle.com/special-sect...esire?page=0,2


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