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    2010.05.19 01:00 - yoga talk

    Pema Pera: Bolonath, how have you been?
    Bolonath Crystal: not too bad, ty pema
    Pema Pera: you have been away, or on retreat?
    Bolonath Crystal: yes, i spent some time in thailand, practicing yoga and giving lessons
    Pema Pera: That must have been an exercise in contrasts, with the current political situation there . . . .

    Bolonath Crystal: the political situation in thailand wasn't so bad. i left bangkok before the shooting started

    Pema Pera: Are you teaching there to foreigners or people from Thailand, or both?
    Bolonath Crystal: mainly to foreigners
    Bolonath Crystal: but of course i would also teach thai ppl, if they'd like to
    Pema Pera: what kind of yoga, if I may ask?
    Bolonath Crystal: hatha yoga and meditation
    Bolonath Crystal: only very few ppl like to do raja yoga...
    Pema Pera: and if I can keep asking :-), how would you characterize the difference in atmosphere or energy between teaching in Switzerland and Thailand?
    Bolonath Crystal: of course ppl are more relaxed in their holidays - at least before the lessons
    Bolonath Crystal: and the setting in thailand is much more beautiful, with the beach and the sea in the background
    Bolonath Crystal: but the lessons are the same
    Pema Pera: as for Raja yoga, that includes bhakti and jnana?
    Bolonath Crystal: no. bhakti and jnana are different things
    Bolonath Crystal: raja yoga is more about meditation and insights
    Bolonath Crystal: bhakti yoga develops devotion

    Bolonath Crystal: jnana yoga is yogic philosophy
    Bolonath Crystal: raja, bhakti, jnana and karma yoga in combination is called integral yoga. hatha yoga is a subdivision of raja
    Bolonath Crystal: hatha yoga by itself has no big influence on the spiritual development
    Bolonath Crystal: it gives you health and a good feeling, but doesn't lead to enlightenment
    Bolonath Crystal: ppl in their holidays like to feel relaxed, but don't like to have insights which may lead to a change of lifestyle ;)
    Pema Pera: :-)

    Pema Pera: why is raja yoga called "royal" (if that is the correct translation); does it somehow unite or transcend the other ones?
    Bolonath Crystal: good question...
    Bolonath Crystal: it is regarded as the "highest discipline" in yoga
    Bolonath Crystal: maybe because you cannot do it once a week or so. it is a 24/7-job
    Darren Islar: If I remember well, it is not recommended by some to do that in this society?
    Darren Islar: making you too vulnerable
    Darren Islar: do you know something about that ?
    Bolonath Crystal: i never heard this recommendation. but i think i know the backgrounds to that
    Bolonath Crystal: in our society ppl use to have money as their highest value. that doesn't fit with raja yoga
    Bolonath Crystal: so a raja yogi is usually not a really successful member of our society
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Bolonath Crystal: and btw there is no use of taking efforts to have a better reincarnation if one doesn't believe in reincarnation at all
    Bolonath Crystal: christianity is a typical bhakti yoga teaching
    Darren Islar: and that is an important part of raja yoga?
    Bolonath Crystal: important in raja yoga is to let go of everything which ends at the end of this incarnation

    Pema Pera: you mentioned 24/7 -- does it include working with dreams too?
    Bolonath Crystal: yes, there is a technique which is called dream yoga or sleep yoga
    Pema Pera: do you have experience with that too?
    Bolonath Crystal: it is not a technique which uses dream contents to gain insights. it is more about keeping the mind centered on yogic things during sleeping

    2010.05.19 07:00 - A Dream Circle

    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm curious about your dream practice Lucinda. Would you say a bit about it?
    Lucinda Lavender: It is a ceremonial form...sort of from the native american tradition...where several dreams come together(unplanned)...and are listened to and then woven together.
    Gaya Ethaniel: wow, sounds fun :)
    Lucinda Lavender: It is in the listening and looking from a non personal viewpoint that one can see how we are all working together to deliver our gifts etc
    Adams Rubble: Could you explain more about the "unplanned" weaving together
    Adams Rubble: is that something that happens from practice?
    Lucinda Lavender: The dreams are brought without any discussion beforehand.
    Adams Rubble: in a group?
    Lucinda Lavender: So as happened at my last dream circle there are connections that pop out...and bring one into a place of humbleness
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Adams Rubble: ohhh
    Lucinda Lavender: a group of 3 meet here in Seattle
    Adams Rubble: very interesting
    Lucinda Lavender: we have been doing it since 2002
    Eliza Madrigal: Its like pouring them into something like this pool in front of us... releasing attachment
    Eliza Madrigal: and seeing what floats up
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is interesting and would be fun to try sometime
    Gaya Ethaniel nods :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes with a "virtual stone...we do it in 2L as well.
    Lucinda Lavender: there is a deepening in how the dream is seen
    Gaya Ethaniel wonders if we can try next week.
    Lucinda Lavender: and there is no need to repeat the ideas either
    Eliza Madrigal is game :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I would love to try it sometime.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Shall we try at this session next week then?

    Eliza Madrigal: Sure!
    Lucinda Lavender: sure
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    2010.05.19 13:00 Missing

    2010.05.19 19:00 - Who "owns".....

    Calvino Rabeni: Who "owns" the PaB information? A question never formally discussed
    stevenaia Michinaga: it may have never been asked
    stevenaia Michinaga: or never needed to be

    Calvino Rabeni: Suppose someone - whether associated with PaB or not - wrote a book and made $10,000,000 using the chat logs

    Calvino Rabeni: Or, suppose I converted to some religion, then decided all my PaB statements were heresy, and wanted them all expunged?

    Calvino Rabeni: Or, many quotes were used on some talk show in a derogatory way

    stevenaia Michinaga: there have been discussions about what gets posted and how in the early days, that was left to the guardians
    stevenaia Michinaga: extensive discussions

    Calvino Rabeni: Suppose MIT or some think tank, had a way to reformat the chat log, to become part of a big spiritual database along with other sources

    stevenaia Michinaga: isn’t that what google does

    stevenaia Michinaga: with everything?
    Calvino Rabeni: No google indexes, but doesn't digest, reformat into other intellectual products

    stevenaia Michinaga: we each have the ability to modify the wiki, or correct spelling, the edit trail will vanish when the wiki gets moved
    Bertram Jacobus: to me it’s the "one world" thought which comes more and more to reality through such ...
    stevenaia Michinaga: one world in what sense
    Calvino Rabeni: I was trying to go in that direction Bert
    Calvino Rabeni: What ideas have you ?
    Bertram Jacobus: more the aspect of being linked then being divided
    Bertram Jacobus: more share then hold

    Bertram Jacobus: my impression is, many points like "ownership" especially are changing through the phenomenon which is called "the net" - only not understood fully by many yet ... ;-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: some ahve taken on various financial responsibilities for the "upkeep" of the group, others may choose to profit from it or its ideas, what of it? each to their own abilities
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. and to me that is a wonderful development
    Bertram Jacobus: may it change the world - and help the poor and may help the rich
    Calvino Rabeni: google is making ever-more complex ways to commoditize information
    Calvino Rabeni: and to find different ways to make money from it
    Calvino Rabeni: to buy, or to compensate the creators etc.
    Calvino Rabeni: But what I am wondering is, will this create a more rigid capitalist system,
    Calvino Rabeni: or will it be adaptable for the kind of sharing we like to do
    Calvino Rabeni: which is more like a gift economy
    Bertram Jacobus: all directions and developments always are thinkable - in my eyes
    Bertram Jacobus: the good and the bad ones
    Bertram Jacobus: i try to support the good ones ;o)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, they’re thinkable, but the systems that get built, commit us to do things in certain ways
    Bertram Jacobus: i don’t think so : in the end, it may be a question of personal freedom. the realities of dropping and all that

    stevenaia Michinaga: there have been articles written about the group, I never thought that there may have been compensation, as it never seemed to matter
    Bertram Jacobus: i know. but i mean : does the mind create the world or does the world constrains us ? i prefer the first idea ;-)

    Calvino Rabeni: We trade attention to products, for "free" information we think we want
    Calvino Rabeni: The mind and the world are lovers - long ago they ran madly together into a passionate embrace
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at cal ..very well put !

    2010.05.20 01:00 - Anger and Babies

    Zen Arado: I'm still reading 'Book of not knowing'
    Zen Arado: it gets tough at the end

    Zen Arado: I liked the way he deals with emotions
    Calvino Rabeni: How's that?
    Zen Arado: well, for example, anger
    Zen Arado: he makes 4 points
    Zen Arado: 1. anger is always related to the past
    Zen Arado: agree?
    Qt Core: probably
    Zen Arado: migh only be a minute in the past or years ago
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, I think it's equally about the future too
    Zen Arado: you can't be angry about something that will happen in the future
    Zen Arado: a friend said that to me too
    Zen Arado: but only if you were told about something that will happen in the future?
    Zen Arado: anyway - not so important
    Calvino Rabeni: An expectation
    Zen Arado: 2. anger is caused by being hurt
    Zen Arado: though you could be angry at someone elses mistreatment?
    Qt Core: don't really agree but it may depends on the definition of anger and hurt

    Zen Arado: yes I suppose these definitions are only guidelines
    Zen Arado: you could say that anger is mostly caused by someone hurting you some way?
    Calvino Rabeni: Did we get to (3) and (4)?
    Zen Arado: no:)
    Zen Arado: he says the hurt is caused by some incapacity we thing we have
    Zen Arado: some*
    Zen Arado: and 4. we often lash out destructively to restore a sense of power again
    Zen Arado: maybe this is a bit heavy
    Calvino Rabeni: Well that's one view of it that people can often identify with
    Calvino Rabeni: Not that I disagree, but you can see power in different ways
    Calvino Rabeni: The part about the incapacity I basically agree with
    Zen Arado: I have seen this in myself
    Calvino Rabeni: But about the power - not sure - it feels like an expression of power, but there might be no expectation of a kind of contest between two people
    Calvino Rabeni: For instance, anger can be a way to make a demand, to send a message
    Calvino Rabeni: The meaning, the message would matter, significant more than the confrontation of power
    Calvino Rabeni: but the power backs up the message
    Calvino Rabeni: and it could be a bluff I suppose
    Zen Arado: yes sounds sensible
    Zen Arado: lots of different forms of anger

    Strannik Zipper: How about an injury to one's sense of identity or ego, with the anger being to resolidify that ego or identity?

    Zen Arado: yes Strannik

    Zen Arado: think that’s what he is meaning
    Calvino Rabeni: Not sure, I think anger defends boundaries primarily.
    Calvino Rabeni: Ego seems a little abstract
    Strannik Zipper: identity boundaries?
    Zen Arado: the anger response was designed to give us more energy if attacked in evolutinary terms?
    Calvino Rabeni: When you create the boundaries, for some "reason" then, you call could call that ego, But people don’t so much defend ego as defend the boundaries the ego feels important about
    Strannik Zipper: energy-clarity-focus?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, sometimes anger is also a child of sadness

    Calvino Rabeni: Hurt comes before anger. Often a sadness could be the first reaction to some hurt, what the anger appearing as effort to a solution
    Zen Arado: yes - to restore ego
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or just sometimes its needed to "thunder"
    Zen Arado: so what should we do when angry?
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: two possibilities;
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: let it out
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, no, I wouldn't say that. The ego is the abstraction, the boundaries of the self are what is at stake more than that
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or explode inside
    Zen Arado: yes Cosmic - that's what Cal was saying - as a message
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its kind of paradox
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if not want to anyone get hurt, exploding inside
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: on the other hand
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sometimes it raises up as naturally

    2010.05.20 07:00 - Gone gone. Every last one.

    Eden Haiku: How much more time have you have left in our lives?
    Eden Haiku: My father is turning 86 next week. The question is in the air for him and I think about time a lot too. Time left.
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. I have been writing poetry to that effect recently too
    Eden Haiku: Would you share one of your poems Storm?
    Darren Islar: mine is turning 83 next week
    Darren Islar: some age
    Storm Nordwind: Where are the saints and heroes / my teacher taught me about? / Gone gone / Every last one / Summer turns to fall
    Eden Haiku: "Gone gone / Every last one..."
    Storm Nordwind: one day / we will kiss / for the last time / better not to know / when
    Lucinda Lavender: I am thinking about how they have had many years ...much experience
    Storm Nordwind is also reminded of the Zen poem: "not twice this day inch time foot gem"

    Eden Haiku: When my father's father died, my father got into a frenzy of buying clocks, offerings watches to every one of us, buying all kind kinds of time devices...
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Bleu Oleander: buying time
    Eden Haiku: Yes ;-)
    Storm Nordwind: A thief can steal my money, or property, and I can replace it. But if someone steals my time, that is lost forever.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, that is true.
    Storm Nordwind: But I observe, that "someone" is usually me!
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Eden Haiku: How do you steal time to yourself Storm?
    Storm Nordwind: Procrastination. Dallying with distractions Eden. Not acting in accord with my own priorities

    2010.05.20 13:00 - Random noise, just a nice chat

    Agatha Macbeth: Silence has its place, certainly
    Zon Quar: that’s what is so nice in music
    Zon Quar: the pauses

    Wol Euler: "music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" Robert Fripp
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lovely

    Zon Quar: no, it reveals the silence
    Darren Islar: maybe silence is a good topic
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Enjoy the silence'
    Zon Quar: let talk about silence, lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, i can't seem to stop talking about it
    Agatha Macbeth: Aw
    Darren Islar: we seem to have the urge to break silence
    arabella Ella: some silence is nice as life today is too noisy
    Darren Islar: so we better talk about it
    Zon Quar: in some cultures it is more difficult to be silent than in others
    Wol Euler: in German, it's an active verb. "I silented"
    Wol Euler: as though it took effort
    Darren Islar: nice
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Zon Quar: in some cultures it is polite to be silent, in some it is an insult
    Darren Islar: I guess silence can be an activity
    arabella Ella: could you say that in German Wol pls?
    Wol Euler: ich schwieg
    Wol Euler: (schweigen)
    Agatha Macbeth: Cultural stuff, yes
    arabella Ella: ah ... interesting
    Darren Islar: ik zwijg
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what culture is it an insult Zon, so I can hopefully remember?
    Wol Euler: heh, yes
    Darren Islar: you’re right
    Darren Islar: didn't realize that
    Wol Euler: the North Sea languages have a common root :)
    Zon Quar: in many southern european
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ty :)
    arabella Ella: well in the Med where I am ppl are expected to fill in all the conversation gaps with 'noise' and chatter
    Agatha Macbeth: West Germanic
    arabella Ella: so yes Zon
    Zon Quar: if u don’t talk, u r considered rude

    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I always find it strange how some people feel threatened by silence

    arabella Ella: i found it strange when i visited Denmark and for example in Copenhagen with a crowded railway station it is so quiet ... nearly silent

    Zon Quar: in northern europe it is polite to keep distance
    Zon Quar: and not disturb by nonsense
    Zon Quar: it must be the climate, lack of sun that make cultures different in this respect
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that would be odd though, to me too
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Zon, don't see the connection...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Ara
    arabella Ella: perhaps less density where population is concerned as in Finland Zon?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sunnier climate, more expansive culture??
    Zon Quar: yes
    Darren Islar: more outdoor living in the south
    Agatha Macbeth: (Just me perhaps)
    Zon Quar: more joyous attitude to life
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, possibly

    2010.05.20 19:00 - The Art of Being

    Bleu Oleander: are you all working on your photos for the Art of Being photo project?
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, of course
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Bleu Oleander: i thought so! :)
    Paradise Tennant: but I know you are :)
    Paradise Tennant: what are you working on :)
    Paradise Tennant: something fantastic Bleu :)
    Bleu Oleander: it's actually a challenge for me .... the subject is

    Paradise Tennant: blinks .. errr what was the subject again :)
    Bleu Oleander: Being in/as Time
    Bleu Oleander: based on a post by Pema under his drop day report
    Paradise Tennant: oooooo
    Calvino Rabeni: How can time be shown in SL photography ....
    Paradise Tennant: hmmmmmmmm
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmmmm .... mmmm
    Bleu Oleander: that's the challenge
    stevenaia Michinaga: art is a wonderful medium to transcend words
    Paradise Tennant: and time :)

    Bleu Oleander: I love to see what people create in sl
    Paradise Tennant: it is a almost a barrier free zone for creativity
    Bleu Oleander: almost!
    Calvino Rabeni: what are the barriers to creativity?
    Bleu Oleander: it's a lot to learn on the tech side
    Bleu Oleander: just learning the medium
    Calvino Rabeni: Dreaded learning curve, right
    Paradise Tennant: hmm I guess .. the physical constraints sometimes to articulating what your imagination can see so clearly ..
    Bleu Oleander: so much to learn if you come from an artist background
    Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking about collaborations
    Bleu Oleander: yes, would be good to have tech work with artist
    Calvino Rabeni: Not much really, just whether I could team up with someone and co-create the artistic SL settings
    Bleu Oleander: yes, great idea
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe, a little tech rubs off, a little creativity rubs off, on the partners
    Bleu Oleander: they each learn
    Bleu Oleander: that was the original idea of art of being
    Bleu Oleander: to have people work together
    Bleu Oleander: and learn

    2010.05.21 01:00 Missing

    2010.05.21 07:00 -"Genuine Mind of Sadness"

    Eos Amaterasu: I met a friend there whom I had not seen in 32 years

    Eos Amaterasu: We explored a few places.... with background in meditation, how to relate to "genuine mind of sadness"

    Eliza Madrigal: mm, 'genuine mind of sadness'... Say more?
    Eos Amaterasu: being touched, with unrequited transparent/full quality

    Eos Amaterasu: also feeling karmic burdens, and effect of that on you

    Eliza Madrigal: karmic burdens over generations?

    Eos Amaterasu: Yes... we're both children of concentration camp survivors, for example

    Eos Amaterasu: could also be extra twist: you could think of yourself as so affected because you're one of the victims, reborn
    Eos Amaterasu: but also you could be one of the victimizers, reborn

    Eos Amaterasu: She is writing a book on that theme...

    Pema Pera: that must be quite a challenge . . . .

    Pema Pera: is she writing from a particular angle from a tradition, like Hindu or Buddhist, or more generally about the idea of being reborn?
    Eos Amaterasu: yes: how to hold that in a mind/heart that does not look away                                                                     

    Eos Amaterasu: She is also a student of Chogyam Trungpa (in fact she was my meditation instructor at Karme-Choling)
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Eliza Madrigal: Oooh

    Eos Amaterasu: So yes, Pema, the point of view, or the practice, is "with a genuine mind of sadness (ie, vulnerable to be touched), suddenly free from fixed mind"

    Eliza Madrigal: So sadness in the sense of softness...
    Eos Amaterasu: And also exploring how that happens, and can be found, in this case in the culture and ancestral ethos of that country (Poland in this case)
    Eos Amaterasu: as well as applying that to herself, and people like her, who are second generation descendants...
    Eliza Madrigal: Did you discover something in particular from the conversations?
    Eos Amaterasu: I feel I just dipped in a bit; will be ongoing process to digest, work further
    Eliza Madrigal: rich material
    Eos Amaterasu: one thing is that experience is felt and "ours", but in a sense is not owned by us
    Eos Amaterasu: feeling of ownership turns it into a thing
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm, yes
    Eos Amaterasu: letting go of owning opens it up to a much bigger world
    Eliza Madrigal: So hm.. a sense of 'sharing' the sadness even?
    Pema Pera: how nice that you could share that, Eos, on such deep topics!
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, sharing the sadness was perhaps a key theme (is perhaps)

    And later in this wonderful session…

    Sometimes we turn away from serious topics due a sense of not being able to go back, but as Eos mentioned there can be residuals to learn from.
    Also we consider that each person faces day-to-day, situations that require 'staying with' AND 'letting go' at once...

    Eliza Madrigal: maybe this stance of non-ownership re our experience, etc. is the 'difference', in a way, between sadness and depression... Depression causes someone to close in/not share, feel the weights as theirs to bear alone?
    Eliza Madrigal: but the letting go part is important too... Seems that in some psychological models that isn't present... so sharing becomes a way to be stuck?
    Eos Amaterasu: Did you mean "to be unstuck"?
    Eliza Madrigal: No...
    Eliza Madrigal: I probably didn't phrase myself well there....
    Eliza Madrigal: There is a way of 'telling' things which doesn't include 'release' in the same way as perhaps in a hm... mindful/meditative way one would share and let go...
    Eos Amaterasu: It becomes a reference story?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus thinks about the issue that he felt sometimes stuck after talking about problems and focused on the ,,problem" issue without actually letting go of a problem and really felt more stuck after taking about it
    Zen Arado: or feel sorry you did share....
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, like we were talking about the dream circle, and sharing what seems very personal, in a non-ownership way...
    Eliza Madrigal: which allows for a different kind of view
    Zen Arado: I still can't quite see the benefit of that if there isn’t any feedback or interpretation?
    Eliza Madrigal: So I was thinking what you were describing is similar Eos
    Zen Arado: to me sharing isn't sharing without feedback

    : sometimes when we hold things within our inner walls unexpressed they simply lie dormant, and cant be healed
    Zen Arado: it's always ego's fault :)
    : just because they never breathe or come to the surface
    Eliza Madrigal: and yet there is often a sense that if one shares then they'll be 'pinned down' into what they shared...
    Eliza Madrigal: identified with that
    Zen Arado: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: exactly, Eliza!
    Zen Arado: maybe part of my uneasiness
    Pema Pera: which is probably why we tend to hold things within our inner walls
    Zen Arado: and fear people will talk about us....
    Lucinda Lavender: and in listening to dreams when certain topics come up they are seen as being "understood" by the dreamer.
    Pema Pera: shared acknowledgement
    Eliza Madrigal: so it is quite a practice then, in various ways, to trust the 'space in the middle' as it were

    Eliza Madrigal: Art can be cathartic in the same way... thinking about that...
    Lucinda Lavender: we are simultaneously working together on many aspects of experience I think... dreaming together all aspects
    Eliza Madrigal: often born of sadness and facing fears
    Bleu Oleander: yes Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: and of dreams, too :)
    : we have muc which is hidden within the unconscious, that is so deeply imbedded. Were we to have access to much of that and be able to express that and actualize the understanding of such, our experience would be incredibly different
    Bleu Oleander: we feel vulnerable when we share our private thoughts, ideas and often fear rejection from others
    : which is the fear of fear we spk of bleu
    Bleu Oleander: fear of rejection, yes
    : sometimes we also fear were we to acknowledge our pain, how we might also judge ourselves not just others
    Zen Arado: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: yes.... I guess what I find powerful about trusting the space, in a sense. Eos Amaterasu: also the fear that were we to put out our story, with the possibility that feedback on it could change it or question it, we would not longer have the same story to refer to
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes
    : yes we all identify through our story and play this out, its a manufacturing of the ego
    Eliza Madrigal: Or what if the story had 'no' end and beginning...
    Eos Amaterasu: but then a deeper, and wider, story could emerge; sharing that opens vs sharing that reinforces
    : what if there was no story
    Eos Amaterasu: heh - good luck!
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Zen Arado: or if we dumped the story
    Eliza Madrigal: storyless nature of stories
    Bleu Oleander: we are story tellers
    Zen Arado: untold stories
    Eliza Madrigal: It seems powerful to be able to be part of the sharing
    Lucinda Lavender: I once attended a story telling event.
    : well to dump the story might mean we simply open to real experience for no longer are we placing constraints in order to live our story
    Lucinda Lavender: in it at the end we were invited to say what we were struck by. This was the gift of the experience as both the teller, the story, and all the ancestors were participating and "Being Together". Opening the story in a sense..
    Bleu Oleander: are stories how we experience reality?
    Eos Amaterasu suspects there is no "reality" without story
    Zen Arado: think we do mostly Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: I think its definitely material, and 'how' a group works with it seems important... the process, in anything
    Zen Arado: or interpretations
    Eos Amaterasu: even, or especially, perception is a story
    : i think maybe our inner internal story can in a symbiotic sense affect our experience, by the choices we make unconsciously due to our inner story
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes
    Zen Arado: the story of 'me'

    2010.05.21 13:00 - friday sillyness 2.0

    Wol Euler: well, that was highly amusing.
    Agatha Macbeth: Better than spontaneous combustion
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: didn't know we had it in us after a long week...
    Agatha Macbeth: Gets us ready for the next one

    Wol Euler: let's all sing together :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Tanner?
    Zen Arado: if my friends could see me now
    Wol Euler: "what good is sitting alone in your room?"
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Zen Arado: they'd be disgusted
    Bleu Oleander: come join the cabaret
    Zon Quar: come to the cabareeee
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, but we aren't alone
    Wol Euler: why?
    Eliza Madrigal gets out her jazz hands
    Eliza Madrigal: "come hear the music play...."

    2010.05.21 19:00 - Quiet nap

    After playing so hard, the Guardians must have needed some rest!

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