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    2010.05.28 01:00 - The books of world is messed up
    Fael Innovia: It appears people who play video games have less nightmares ... or perhaps more accurately, don't find them scary as readily.

    Fael Innovia: to quote from the article "In other words, a scary nightmare scenario turned into something "fun" for a gamer. "
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not a gamer. But sometimes it feels like dreams are a night at the movies

    2010.05.28 07:00 - Towel Day, & Zen's Dancing Bear

    Zen Arado: 'shall we gather at the river.....
    Pema Pera: PaBabtism....
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Eden Haiku: With Zen in the role of John the Baptist?
    Bleu Oleander: a new guardian initiation rite?
    Qt Core: :)
    Zen Arado: with wild beard
    Pema Pera: The Art of Baptism, Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: yes, i'll do the photos
    Eden Haiku: can see you with a wild bear Zen :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll be the voice from heaven

    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Eden Haiku: *beard
    Pema Pera: Zen with a wild bear is more interesting

    Eden Haiku: And Qt would be Jesus, the voyager edition...
    Bleu Oleander: likes the idea of adding performance art to PaB

    Pema Pera: better be careful with the strawberries while wearing a kimono !!
    Eden Haiku: I will eat very ladylike!
    Pema Pera bows to lady Eden

    oh, my fair lady
    lady Eden at the lake
    eating lady like


    2010.05.28 13:00 - An orchestra of craziness

    Wol Euler: I can't believe that it's friday at 1:28 and we haven't yet had any silliness.
    Wol Euler: slackers.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: O.o
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Wol Euler: onigokko
    SophiaSharon Larnia: omg the music frightened my cats!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahaha
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Wol Euler: poor kitties
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the volume was up high :))
    Liza Deischer: hmm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we need more toys to create an orchestra of crazyness :)

    2010.05.28 19:00 - Recognition

    SophiaSharon Larnia: contemplative topics become a way to escape then
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no, they'll never an escape
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it's to drop and to change the perspective on whats there
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least from my point of view
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i appreciate that point of view :)

    Zen Arado: novels are unreal too
    Zen Arado: a story made up in someone's head
    Wol Euler: they are unreal, but they are true. At least, the good ones are true

    Zen Arado: the Victorians used to say the sme things about novels they say about SL
    Zen Arado: people living in fantasy worlds
    Wol Euler: reprehensible.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Wol Euler: the downfall of etc


    Dao Yheng: how is the PaB practice for you these days? (I ask as someone who never started :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I practice infrequesntly and randomely , mostly at the sessions I attend here,
    stevenaia Michinaga: but as I ahve been comming here for over 2 years, I can say it is going well
    Dao Yheng: :) Would you like to say more about its impact?
    stevenaia Michinaga: there is much to be learned from the diversity of the group
    Dao Yheng: indeed! just hearing a range of views can help loosen up one's own!
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, and even understand tyour own view better
    Dao Yheng: yes, and I do like the fifteen minute pauses -- wonder how work meetings would go if we all did that :)
    Dao Yheng: the silence is also another point of view, in a way

    2010.05.29 01:00 - PaB guardians as knights

    Darren Islar: what is your knight protecting do you think?
    Qt Core: a library of magic books ;-)
    Darren Islar: protecting from who?
    Qt Core: generic evil lord armies
    Darren Islar: they want to destroy the knowledge inside?
    Qt Core: only partially, the evil lord want what could be used to increase his power and destroy the rest as ignorant people are easier to be controlled
    Darren Islar: who owns the magic inside the library now?

    2010.05.29 07:00 - Overlapping Contexts

    Wol Euler: Barry Schwarz gave a great TED talk about this, about how overabundant variety actually reduces choice and with it, our contentment
    Wol Euler: I twittered it, let me look that up
    Wol Euler: http://www.ted.com/talks/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice.html

    Eliza Madrigal: I really liked the talk you tweeted the other day... don't think this is the same one. The speaker was talking about how we plan the future based on what we think our memory of it will be.
    Wol Euler: right, that was Daniel Kahneman
    Eliza Madrigal: excellent... a really neat idea too... considering how entangled time and memory are
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Eliza Madrigal: how we perceive satisfaction
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: and the enormous and mostly unconscious difference between what we experience and what we remember
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes!
    Wol Euler: it's amazing that the scientific study of happiness is so new :)
    Wol Euler: people have been investigating misery for so long ...

    2010.05.29 13:00 - Wheelchairs and identities

    stevenaia Michinaga: I prefer to be asked a questions or to be in a group conversation about a topic I have ideas about, in terms of what I share, but the babble approach does happen now and then

    Zen Arado: in RL people tend to get prejudge you if you are in a wheelchair
    Zen Arado: I think anyway
    Paradise Tennant: nods
    Liza Deischer: I think so too
    Zen Arado: you a much lower estimation:)
    Eliza Madrigal: or they are faced with themselves and that they don't know how to 'be' with people when less than shallow issues are brought to surface
    Zen Arado: yes maybe Eliza
    Liza Deischer: it is a big confrontation for others, most don't want to think about
    Zen Arado: they think they should act in a special way

    Eliza Madrigal: if we could see one another all the time, many of us would be in and out of wheelchairs in various ways...

    2010.05.29 19:00 - One's too many, three's not enough . . .

    Fox Monacular: when i have opportinity to meditate more than usual, i often spontaneously lucid dream right after
    Pema Pera: yes, that is a natural connection
    Fox Monacular: it's all about sustained attention and awareness of what's going on in the mind (as an observer)
    Calvino Rabeni: I found the game Go a good practice for that
    Pema Pera: yes indeed!
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: My game partner has a little sign placed in front of him reminding him "follow method"
    Calvino Rabeni: But what that really means is "be aware, look for best move"
    Calvino Rabeni: It's works when practiced, but is hard to sustain ::)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, You have a very nice set
    Calvino Rabeni: the subtle esthetics of the equipment are important
    Calvino Rabeni: DO you play in Japan, Pema?
    Pema Pera: the advice "make the best move on the board" sounds totally trivial -- until you realize that we tend to "make a move in the direction that continues our earlier ideas" (which are outdated) . . . .

    2010.05.30 01:00 - Dreamscape

    Stargate Tone: ...as I'd just like to repeat my question that what danger do you see if gets close with anybody ? Stargate Tone: (so willing to say that dont be afraid)
    Moon Fargis: hmm manny people see danger in loosing their time for themself
    Moon Fargis: many are even scared to meet new people in RL
    Calvino Rabeni: Or you get their karma things
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe that's not a bad thing though
    Stargate Tone: already knowing this is also (mostly) to resolve that it's no problem, but sharing

    2010.05.30 08:00 - Guardian Session: Donations & Dancing
    village june_001.jpgEliza Madrigal: Eos would you like to talk about the recurring donation structure?
    Eos Amaterasu: Basically we can set up PapPal options to accept donations, on a monthly basis.
    Eos Amaterasu: There could be several options for how much per month: $10, $30, $100 ....
    Eos Amaterasu: I think for some people that
    Eos Amaterasu: is doable and workable

    Lucinda Lavender: Lucinda Lavender is pondering if she could belong and pay at two places...
    Eden Haiku: Sitting in the backyard on the swing. I'm real evangelist ;)
    Eden Haiku: We are joking but this is good brain storming, ideas will spring forth from this kind of jam session.
    Eliza Madrigal: Lucinda (and everyone), the hope is that everyone will give as *honestly* able... which means that it will be different for everyone and that yes, we'll generate ideas.

     AND the time that is given is not to be underestimated....

    2010.05.30 13:00 - Silence; Enlightenment

    Bertram Jacobus: but even with the spiritual path ... the teachings say
    Bertram Jacobus: it would go that way : first one experiences a bit, then a bit more and then step by step ...
    Liza Deischer: I think that if I stay here a bit longer I will finally get it yes :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: more and more - so - that may be simply a nearly so to say law of nature how developing goes
    Liza Deischer: that is true
    arabella Ella: yes but i think we also need to understand and accept the issue of the 'journey' never ending ... there is always more to learn
    Liza Deischer: there is even a well known curve about that phenomenon
    arabella Ella: (and not academically i mean but in life in general)
    Liza Deischer: sure
    Bertram Jacobus: yes : this group is also very helpful to me - and can support many aspects i think ... what we need, what we are searching for - a group for seekers (?) (at lest also) :o)
    arabella Ella: nice way of putting it Bert :)

    Bertram Jacobus: and / "but" ara : i think, it may be possible, that one so to say stage of learning may have an end - the way to enlightenment. what not incudes the infinity of relative things ;-)
    Liza Deischer: I'm not sure Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: about what not especially plz liza ?
    Liza Deischer: if enlightenment is the same thing as the end of the road
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. my impression is : in a way yes and in another no

    2010.05.30 19:00 - About Face

    Calvino Rabeni: Science as a whole, doesn't seem friendly to free choice or personal responsibility
    Geo Netizen nods
    Calvino Rabeni: Or even, for that matter "agency"
    Calvino Rabeni: So, it's a faustian bargain :)
    Geo Netizen: And that is one reason it is inadequate for a full description of reality
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: sometimes I feel like I'm an agent of somebody else ...
    Geo Netizen: It does not reach to the core of our experience
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... my latest theory is that the microorganisms in my body are controlling me and making me think their decisions are my own. They have their own agenda ... I am a dupe ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, so who is the fruit of whom then?
    Geo Netizen smiles
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Fascinating, yes ... in Michael Pollen's book "The Botany of Desire"
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... he posits that one could equally as validly view humans as being manipualted by plants to serve their evolution ... as the other way around .
    Geo Netizen: Perhaps, Mitzi, it is simply your core self trying to asserts itself if the face of many facades created by you and others as to who you are.

    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Perhaps!

    2010.05.31 07:00 - Approaching Time, Sublime

    Bleu Oleander: I see time as less linear than I used to
    astroboy Bigboots: Groovy.
    Bleu Oleander: more integrated
    Bleu Oleander: definitely hard to photograph!!
    Bleu Oleander: I thought I knew what time was until I tried to define it
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes quite groovy, and hm...yes how does one photograph something integrated
    with so much else and somehow see/ spotlight it?
    Bleu Oleander: well that's just it .... you end up photographing everything

    Pema Pera: yes, time is definitely a mystery . . . .
    Pema Pera: you can't hold it in your hand
    Pema Pera: time holds your hand in its hand :)

    Pema Pera: yes, Being and Time are definitely two of the biggest mysteries . . . .
    Bleu Oleander: it's not a clear seeing .... more like a sensing
    Bleu Oleander: being sensing being as time

    Pema Pera: the key is perhaps being seen, rather than seeing . . . .

    Pema Pera:

    all is sacred . . . . .
    in its lack of intrinsic existence
    a playful appearance

    Kiki Walpanheim: perhpas the whole interpretation of taoism lies here
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Pema Pera: the path that can be "pathed" is not the true path . . .

    Kiki Walpanheim: it contains meaning like, the way how everything works
    Kiki Walpanheim: the way how the world works....
    Pema Pera: yes, like in English, "way" can be quite broad
    Pema Pera: literal and metaphorical
    Kiki Walpanheim: nods
    Pema Pera: it's beautiful, the brevity of chinese characters . . . very evocative
    Pema Pera: "way can way not true way"
    Kiki Walpanheim: heh heh
    Pema Pera: "name can name not true name"

    Pema Pera: we think too literally, most of the time, in terms of concepts/names/judgments
    Kiki Walpanheim: and the name is better be interpreted as...fame
    Pema Pera: interesting connection!
    Pema Pera: famous fame is not true fame :-)
    Kiki Walpanheim: fame , fortune can be chased, but not in the usual way as how we think they are....the second sentence

    Pema Pera: yes, if we open up, we don't have to chase, it's already there

    2010.05.31 19:00 - The Tao of Steve

    stevenaia Michinaga: the interenet should be helpful, but since Play as being is a process of sorts, it should be interesting to see what you come up with that relates to "Play as Being"
    stevenaia Michinaga: in one word?
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe multiples, such as "Jumping To Conclusions", but that's a little clunky
    stevenaia Michinaga: jumping at the end
    stevenaia Michinaga: to the end
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes that happens, doesn't it?
    Calvino Rabeni: As at the end of sessions, when it seems, the proper method of departure is to stand up suddenly
    stevenaia Michinaga: thinking "begining at the end" has come up before
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh, yeah ....
    stevenaia Michinaga: working backwords
    Calvino Rabeni: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: I'm stumped on Z.... Doh!

    There's Zen, which is a kind of no-brainer.... Sorry I meant, no-Mind-er.

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