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PlayAsBeing Wiki > Chat Logs > 2009 > 06 > 2009.06.26 13:00 - Passing through a net of reflecting mirrors ,distorted images,filters and lenses to return to the beginnings

*The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.*

I arrived after Wol Scathach and Mickorod .I was there and not there really , a bit distracted or something similar to distraction , not sure .

Three other visitors joined us later , tow of them didnt give permision to mention their names in the chat log though one of them contributed in an intersting short chat.

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Wol:)

Wol Euler: hello scath!

Wol Euler: happy friday.

Scathach Rhiadra: =^.^=

Scathach Rhiadra: Happy friday!

Wol Euler: hello mick

Mickorod Renard: hiya,,happy friday

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick!

Wol Euler: :)

Mickorod Renard: have either of you took up the option of the gurdin land?

sophia Placebo: greetings

Mickorod Renard: gaurdian

Wol Euler: yes indeed.

Wol Euler: hello sophia

Mickorod Renard: Hiya Sophie

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Sophia!

Mickorod Renard: nice outfit sophia

sophia Placebo: hi sun

Wol Euler: wooo, that's a dramatic skin sophia!

Scathach Rhiadra nods

they were reffering to a goth ,pale skin with smokey eye shadow , a fair hair thats gives the impression of someone just got out of fight , a skin covered with tattos with black cloths . How much the outside can tell about the inside?

*Sunfire joined us , and started the conversation

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sunfire

Wol Euler: hello sunfire

sophia Placebo: yes it is :)

Sunfire Langer: hello guys

Mickorod Renard: hi sun

sophia Placebo: hi sophia :)

Mickorod Renard: hiya sophia shaz

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sophiaSharon

Wol Euler: hello sophiasharon

SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Scath, Wol

sophia Placebo: so how are you all ?

Wol Euler: tired but happy :)

Scathach Rhiadra: well thank you:)

Mickorod Renard: I am fine thanks..well,,sort of

Scathach Rhiadra: and how are you?

sophia Placebo: :)

sophia Placebo: alive :) so far

Scathach Rhiadra: :)

Mickorod Renard: thats the main thing

Wol Euler smiles. That's about all any of us can say with certainty.

sophia Placebo: hehe

Sunfire Langer: really, I'm sure we could go further, Wol

Sunfire Langer: ?*

Wol Euler: we could describe the present in more detail, and the past with some certainty, but not the future

Sunfire Langer: we could describe our present, from the position we see it, theres no doubt that we are experiencing

Mickorod Renard: Hi Qt

Wol Euler: true; but is what we experience objectively "true"? is it what somebody standing beside us would also perceive?

Wol Euler: hello qt

Qt Core: hi all

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello QT

SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Qt

sophia Placebo: hi qt

Sunfire Langer: difficult, it both would and not simultaneously, Wol

Wol Euler: indeed.

Wol Euler: that's a large part of the reasoning or intention behind meditation practices

Wol Euler: to hope to reduce the distorting effect of what we expect or interpret or believe, on what is actually "out there"

Indra's Net : we stop for a while reading about that from wiki ,there was many pauses in this session , odd enough this session was long and short at the same time .

Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, that reminds me of Indra's Net

Wol Euler: could you tell us about that, please, Scath?

Scathach Rhiadra: I will have to give you the wikipedia URL, it is not something I know much about, just the reference to jewels all endlessly reflecting in each other

Mickorod Renard: sneaks off..bye

Scathach Rhiadra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra's_net

sophia Placebo: bye mick

Qt Core: bye mick

Wol Euler: bye mick, enjoy the wekend

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Mick

Scathach Rhiadra: bye Mick

Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_net

Scathach Rhiadra: ah sorry, gave wrong URL, ty Wol:)

Wol Euler: yw

Wol Euler: fascinating, thank you Scath.

sophia Placebo: intersting

*after a long pause

Scathach Rhiadra: getting back to what is actually 'out there'..

Wol Euler: please :)

Scathach Rhiadra: heehee:)

sophia Placebo: :)

Sunfire Langer: Until it is seen, we can only call it Energy

Scathach Rhiadra: our only experience of that is internal, acn't be any other way

Scathach Rhiadra: can't*

Scathach Rhiadra: so maybe finding out what is really experiencing is more important than what is out there, our true nature, so to speak

Sunfire Langer: thats interesting

The 2 intersting visitors , me and Wol asked their permission on IM. One of them step forward and chat for a few mints , the other just watched silently. Both of them has the appearance of Vampires or Goth , tattos black leather and the amazing red stained cloths .

We welcomed them
and asked them to join if they like , they started with the common
question what is this group about and what were we discussion back
then ,

as Wol tried to resume the discussion

,the visitor responded almost spontaneously about the aim of this kind of discussions

werent these discussed befor and many books published about that , so why to waste time talking about what had been talked about

though we tried to explain that the experience is not like the observation

explaining to her that reading about a vampires is not like being one it is something else no one can tell you about but yourself and so reading a cooking book is not like tasting the recipes inside it but she was resistant to that as she as she suggest another way to have a new experiment through eating the book itself

really intersting ^^

another try * back to where we were

Wol Euler: let's try again, then :)

Wol Euler: [13:36] Wol Euler: [13:27] Scathach Rhiadra: getting back to what is actually 'out there'.. [13:28] Sunfire Langer: Until it is seen, we can only call it Energy [13:28] Scathach Rhiadra: our only experience of that is internal, can't be any other way

Scathach Rhiadra: so maybe finding out what is really experiencing is more important than what is out there, our true nature, so to speak

Wol Euler: [13:37] Sunfire Langer: thats interesting

Scathach Rhiadra gets that repeating feeling:)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: sure :)

Wol Euler: given that we are these imperfect and distorting receivers, it is a good thing to figure out how and where the distortions occur

Sunfire Langer: its a lot about the different ways we see it, we all use the same language, or see the same objects, but we each contribute something to what either of those mean

Scathach Rhiadra nods, our distorting lens'

Sunfire Langer: I prefer... 'divergent lens' like a refractor...

Scathach Rhiadra: or maybe filtering?

Sunfire Langer: well, its a co-creation, the experience is a co-creation with the reality and the experiencer

Scathach Rhiadra: can you say more?

Sunfire Langer: there is Energy, energies in intricate formations and vibrations these communicate with the consciousness in together experiencing whats 'out there'.

sophia Placebo: we cant expiernce all of what is out there

sophia Placebo: so we cant really know if are expiriencing all of what is out there whatever methode we used

Sunfire Langer: but we do know the intimate secrets of our own 'tunnel through reality'.

that
was a try to hold a string to keep me in this discussion maybe due to
the word distortion effect on my mental state that moment

distortion distraction diversion filtering

sophia Placebo: but what about what we can and what we do ? in relation to what we used to got it

sophia Placebo: intimate secrets?

I crashed and Sunfire seem to be left short after and the thoughts of the discussion seemed to returned to the beginnings

SophiaSharon Larnia: I agree with you Sunfire, and quantam physics is somewhat pointing to this, but where does this certainty come from. That is a filter I am examining now.

Sunfire Langer: The only certainty that makes sense to me is that 'One experiences what one experiences', I dont think that any total certainty holds beyond that, SophiaS

Wol Euler smiles. That is pretty well where we started, Sunfire :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes that is what ive concluded too, but it is what it is doesnt seem suffient to me these days :))

Scathach Rhiadra: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: (typos sorry)

Wol Euler: how about "we think it is what we think it is"?

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i dont experience this energy nor see it with my eyes yet i still trust that its there

SophiaSharon Larnia: directly, i mean

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: wb sophia

SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Sophia :)

Scathach Rhiadra: wb Sophia:)

sophia Placebo: ty , sorry lost the connection

sophia Placebo: where were you ?

Wol Euler: [14:03] SophiaSharon Larnia: I agree with you Sunfire, and quantam physics is somewhat pointing to this, but where does this certainty come from. That is a filter I am examining now. [14:04] sophia Placebo is Offline [14:06] Sunfire Langer: The only certainty that makes sense to me is that 'One experiences what one experiences', I dont think that any total certainty holds beyond that, SophiaS [14:06] Wol Euler smiles. That is pretty well where we started, Sunfire :) [14:06] SophiaSharon Larnia: yes that is what ive concluded too, but it is what it is doesnt seem suffient to me these days :))

Wol Euler: [14:07] Wol Euler: how about "we think it is what we think it is"? [14:08] SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i dont experience this energy nor see it with my eyes yet i still trust that its there [14:08] SophiaSharon Larnia: directly, i mean [14:08] Wol Euler nods

sophia Placebo: ty

sophia Placebo: so we went back to where we start :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: lol

Wol Euler smiles

Scathach Rhiadra: :)

Qt Core: don't we do that quite often here ? ;-)

Scathach Rhiadra nods

Qt Core: we start from ourselves, go out feeling the universe around us and go back to ourselves

Scathach Rhiadra: that is a nice way of saying it QT:)

sophia Placebo: from ashes to ashes

SophiaSharon Larnia: is that seeing being and being seeing then

Wol Euler: :)

Byes and last comments

Scathach Rhiadra: I must go, thanks for the great chat, good night all:)

sophia Placebo: goodnight scath

Wol Euler: 'night scath, take care.

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Scath

Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté

sophia Placebo: hi shyama

Wol Euler: hello shyama, nice to see you again.

Shyama Sheryffe: hi sophia and wol

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi shyama

Shyama Sheryffe: are u finishing

SophiaSharon Larnia: and bye all I have to go too :)

Wol Euler: afraid so :)

Wol Euler: you always turn up just as we are getting done :)

sophia Placebo: bye sophia

Wol Euler: bye sophiasharon, enjoy the weekend

SophiaSharon Larnia: waves

Shyama Sheryffe: hi sophia and bye

SophiaSharon Larnia: you too!!

Shyama Sheryffe: ok, i willgo to bed then, lol

sophia Placebo: hehe goodnight

Shyama Sheryffe: see u all

Wol Euler: 'night shyama

Wol Euler: too slow.

sophia Placebo: :)

Fun? Im all up to it who said anything about distraction

Wol Euler: sophia, do you want to practice expelling?

Wol Euler: try it on me, but please do not ban me!

Wol Euler: just expel, not expel and ban :)

sophia Placebo: hehe , i was just about to do it

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: banning is serious, only Pema nd Storm can undo that.

sophia Placebo: but i only see eject and freez

Wol Euler: select eject

sophia Placebo: great !!

Qt Core: it seem it worked ;-)

sophia Placebo: how should she come back?

Qt Core: just tping like always

sophia Placebo: ok

Qt Core: (i suppose)

sophia Placebo: hehe

sophia Placebo: im totally lost today in the convo

Qt Core: convo ?

sophia Placebo: todays conversation

Wol Euler grins

sophia Placebo: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*

Qt Core: i'm still surpriswed i could be here, in last weeks at PaB meeting time something always happen in rl

Wol Euler: it#s pretty effective :)

sophia Placebo: hehe qt ,lucky day

Wol Euler: yeah, ours too :)

Qt Core: well, in theory i should have gone to a lesson about celtic astronomy held by my amateur astronomer club

Wol Euler: ooooh

sophia Placebo: in theory :)

Wol Euler: celtic astronomy? do they look for knotty stars?

Qt Core: ;-)

Qt Core: i'm planning on asking for some bibliography to the speaker the next time i saw him

Qt Core: see*

sophia Placebo: i gotta sleep :) night all

Qt Core: 'night sophia

Wol Euler: goodnight sophia, sweet dreams

Wol Euler: I should go too, it's been a long day. Goodnight, QT, enjoy the weekend

Qt Core: i'll try, between storms ;-)

Wol Euler: yeh, here too :)

Wol Euler: bye

Qt Core: bye

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