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    "Keep Questioning, Stay Hungry"- Interview with Lia Rikugun, Guardian for Play as Being.

    I met Lia Rikugun at the Play as Being Pavilion in Beiup. I found that her first Play as Being session was November 12, 2008, and like many to-be future guardians, had her first play as being session with good conversation and onigokko (grateful again for the wiki logs!). As I was going over past guardian interviews, I noticed that Lia has not been interviewed yet in the chronicles, something I wanted to take care of right away. One of the things Lia does for the group is to monitor that the 4-times-a-day Play as Being sessions get covered by a Guardian, which can be a very busy job!

    We started with greetings and general chat...

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Lia!
    Lia Rikugun: hello sophiasharon!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so nice to see you, I just got here myself
    Lia Rikugun: yes so nice to see you too ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is it later where you are? You are from Germany?
    Lia Rikugun: yes i am from germany
    Lia Rikugun: it is 7pm here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oohhh hopefully not too late
    Lia Rikugun: i just had dinner so i am feeling very good :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay :)
    Lia Rikugun: yaey!
    Lia Rikugun: and you where are you from?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Pennsylvania, USA
    Lia Rikugun: ah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its 1 pm, and I too have eaten so I feel great lol
    Lia Rikugun: it is very early?
    Lia Rikugun: no like 1pm?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Lia Rikugun: haha! wonderful

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    SophiaSharon Larnia: From the beginning, when I first came to play as being, I found your statements so refreshing
    Lia Rikugun: hm in what sense?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: your input
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm not sure, your equanimity and willingness to share
    Lia Rikugun: i ask a lot of questions because i don’t know.. :(
    Lia Rikugun: and i am trying to understand, but usually i get more confused ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, that is part of what is so refreshing, sometimes people don't say what is on their minds
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes me too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very clear, too
    Lia Rikugun: hm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: You have been with Play as Being for a long time....
    Lia Rikugun: well thank you
    Lia Rikugun: let me think
    Lia Rikugun: about one year and a half i think
    Lia Rikugun: wow!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes wow
    Lia Rikugun: or maybe 1 or 2 months longer

    Lia describes how she found Play as Being... it turns out she had met Pema in RL before coming to Play as Being in SL, something I did not know before!

    Lia Rikugun: I was working in SL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh??
    Lia Rikugun: as a kind of internship, created some automatic avatars, bots
    Lia Rikugun: through this job I got in contact with Pema Pera
    Lia Rikugun: in RL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
    Lia Rikugun: we were both in Japan
    Lia Rikugun: and well after meeting once or twice we started to talk about philosophy and spirituality
    Lia Rikugun: and this is how I came to PaB :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that was in the very beginning?
    Lia Rikugun: of PaB?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Lia Rikugun: I think it is now 2 years old no?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes it is :)
    Lia Rikugun: I guess it was then like half a year later that I joined
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh ok 6 months later or so
    Lia Rikugun: yes

    Playing as Being and the 9 seconds over her year and a half... dynamic changes in the group, changes in herself...

    SophiaSharon Larnia: has the group changed a lot for you over that time?
    Lia Rikugun: more people
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha! yes
    Lia Rikugun: it is very dynamic
    Lia Rikugun: every session is different so this is great
    Lia Rikugun: everybody brings something different to it

    Lia Rikugun: i would be able to say what changed
    Lia Rikugun: but its changing constantly i think
    Lia Rikugun: which i think is great
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and that is a good thing too,
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is very different! Over this period of tie, has the concept of being change for you in any way?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: time*
    Lia Rikugun: what does period of tie mean?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: over this period of time of 1 1/2 yr
    Lia Rikugun: ah since i am in PaB
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Lia Rikugun: i think everything is changing all the time, my ideas of the world and who I am, my conception of being and everything
    Lia Rikugun: going through ups and down
    Lia Rikugun: seeing the world as completely hm
    Lia Rikugun: what is the word
    Lia Rikugun: meaning less and then the next day everything makes sense again

    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah yes :)
    Lia Rikugun: it is changing every day
    Lia Rikugun: and i guess this is what changed
    Lia Rikugun: my perception of the world as stable
    Lia Rikugun: i don't know if i am making sense
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what have been your experiences with the 9 second practice?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you are very much making sense :)
    Lia Rikugun: haha hopefully :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is hard to pin down with words, it does change so much
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to describe makes it a static thing
    Lia Rikugun: yes
    Lia Rikugun: as for the 9 seconds
    Lia Rikugun: in the beginning I took a break every 15 minutes to take 9 seconds and relax
    Lia Rikugun: and think
    Lia Rikugun: then later try to drop
    Lia Rikugun: now i don't do it as regularly every 15 minutes
    Lia Rikugun: I try to take some time every evening and do a little meditation
    Lia Rikugun: where I drop
    Lia Rikugun: but actually the 9 seconds really helped me to relax
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Lia Rikugun: and the meditation helps me to keep these thoughts in my life
    Lia Rikugun: i can get so caught up by every day life
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes
    Lia Rikugun: that after a week of not meditating it is much more difficult to get back to these ideas
    Lia Rikugun: just to remind myself there is something more
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, I’ve found that too, I’m not as disciplined with that as I'd like to be
    Lia Rikugun: something to think about
    Lia Rikugun: yes definitely
    Lia Rikugun: :) but when I do it, it helps me a lot
    [Lia Rikugun: its like doing sports, you need to get up and do it and afterwards you feel great ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ahh great analogy :)

    Lia and I talk about her other activities with Kira, and as you will see, she asks me questions about me. This is one of the things that I like so much about her.... always open, questioning and curious. ^^

    SophiaSharon Larnia: have you been involved with other things at Kira?
    Lia Rikugun: I participated at the Time Workshop
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i remember when i first came to SL I heard you in the cafe at Kira, I forget what the meeting was
    Lia Rikugun: and I went to the phenomenology workshop
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh! I think it was pheno??
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
    Lia Rikugun: you heard my voice?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think so
    Lia Rikugun: if it was voice i think it was the time workshop
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a 'long time ago' :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ohhhh time then, that is when I must've seen the tags for play as being :))
    Lia Rikugun: when did you come to SL first time?
    Lia Rikugun: oh yes :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: 11/08, but left for a while because i was on an old lap top ^^
    Lia Rikugun: ohhh laggy :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I still don’t know why i came back it was pretty bad hahah
    Lia Rikugun: haha
    Lia Rikugun: maybe it was so interesting ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes it was and is

    Lia has attended two Play as Being retreats, and here I ask about them...

    SophiaSharon Larnia: You have been on several PaB retreats now haven’t you?
    Lia Rikugun: yes i was on two retreats
    Lia Rikugun: did you have the chance to go to a retreat?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i went to a mini retreat in Princeton
    Lia Rikugun: oh yes nice!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: couldn't go to this one (April in San Fran)
    Lia Rikugun: how was Princeton for you?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very exciting, I was so nervous
    Lia Rikugun: to meet the people?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: even though I knew it was going to be fun
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Lia Rikugun: yes i can understand :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how were the retreats for you?
    Lia Rikugun: for me it was ok, because i had met Pema and Fefonz before :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ahh that helps
    Lia Rikugun: hm the retreats very very inspiring and opening
    Lia Rikugun: and it was great to meet so nice people
    Lia Rikugun: it was interesting to see how everybody was thinking
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I re-read the Malta retreat logs yesterday
    Lia Rikugun: and to see where the experiments or meditations go

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, where they go....
    Lia Rikugun: i must say during the first retreat I mostly watched
    Lia Rikugun: what was going on
    Lia Rikugun: i was and am still not very experienced with meditating
    Lia Rikugun: so I just wanted to see
    Lia Rikugun: but during the second retreat I could be much more open in a way
    Lia Rikugun: so this was also very interesting to learn about myself
    Lia Rikugun: i guess i have learned a lot about myself too during those 1 and a half years
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods.............. me too Lia
    Lia Rikugun: :) so thats great! :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: some things were and are surprising
    SophiaSharon Larnia: was it hard to adjust to real life after the retreats?
    Lia Rikugun: hm
    Lia Rikugun: i am not sure if I can remember clearly
    Lia Rikugun: i think i went back to work
    Lia Rikugun: and this was very frustrating
    SophiaSharon Larnia: now that is right back in the thick of things!
    Lia Rikugun: to have been in such an open environment where we exchanged ideas and thoughts and then come back to an atmosphere which is not that open
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Lia Rikugun: but this might be my work as well :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i understand that, i think :))
    Lia Rikugun: i dont think i can put it in better words
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods, and that is true too lol
    Lia Rikugun: :) but maybe this is what it was like

    Sounds like a Happy Place to Be....

    SophiaSharon Larnia: You spoke a bit about dreams, have you been working with your dreams?
    Lia Rikugun: i have different kind of dreams :)
    Lia Rikugun: something I call going to my happy place
    Lia Rikugun: which happens while I am awake
    Lia Rikugun: and then I experimented a little with dreaming
    Lia Rikugun: and had some experience with a lucid dream once
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ohh
    Lia Rikugun: but I like my happy place more
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, the imagery that you shared struck a deep cord in me Lia
    Lia Rikugun: well maybe lucid dream is too much, this is just a definition i use
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Lia Rikugun: struck a deep cord?
    Lia Rikugun: what does this mean
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it means it hit me in a particularly significant way
    Lia Rikugun: in a good way i hope :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes. You said that you go to some kind of cabin and speak to an old man there...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I remember a bit, but that is what stood out
    Lia Rikugun: :) yes from time to time, sometimes I just walk around there seeing what will come up
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :))
    Lia Rikugun: i see it as some kind of experimenting with my unconscious
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its a very brave thing to do
    Lia Rikugun: and i can really feel being there in a sense
    Lia Rikugun: even though it only feels half real
    Lia Rikugun: it is half real
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Lia Rikugun: so this is what is interesting for me
    Lia Rikugun: i don’t have any interpretation or don’t really know what i am doing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: do any of us, really
    Lia Rikugun: i don’t think it is very dangerous at least this is my personal feeling this might be different for someone else
    Lia Rikugun: it is just interesting to see what might happen
    Lia Rikugun: and maybe i can learn something
    Lia Rikugun: and i think i do
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: but well in the end i don’t know anything :)

    This is not quite the 'traditional' golden question, but maybe a little... I ask Lia what she would ask Lia....

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Is there anything you'd like to add to this, is it okay if I add what you just said to the interview?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me either !
    Lia Rikugun: hehe :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but i am so honored that you are saying these things
    Lia Rikugun: yes i think it is ok

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Is there anything you would like to add Lia?? Something I didn’t ask you???
    Lia Rikugun: oh
    Lia Rikugun: i wouldn’t know what :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if you were me, what would you ask?
    Lia Rikugun: maybe some wise words? ;)

    Lia Rikugun: keep questioning , stay hungry

    SophiaSharon Larnia: ohhh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so important!
    Lia Rikugun: HAHA at least this is what I am trying to do
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very very important
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe i will write that and put it on my bulletin board so I see it all of the time
    Lia Rikugun: oh i should do this too ;)
    Lia Rikugun: not thinking of this every day
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a reminder
    SophiaSharon Larnia: do you mind if I take a picture?
    Lia Rikugun: oh no please do
    Lia Rikugun: how can i smile?
    Lia Rikugun: smile
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahaha
    Lia Rikugun: cheeeese
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles for real :))
    Lia Rikugun: :)

    Lia Rikugun: i want to read the other interviews now
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: to see if i performed well :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: aww Lia, I was nervous interviewing you
    Lia Rikugun: :) hehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and there are different kinds of interviews
    Lia Rikugun: yes maybe it was good not to read the interviews
    Lia Rikugun: otherwise i would have gone into a specific direction
    Lia Rikugun: now it was very free
    Lia Rikugun: thank you again for interviewing me :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: seriously, i paced a little around my living room :) haha You are one of the 'oldbies' at PaB and therefore fit the Gods and Goddesses category! (this comment was in reference to something that Adams Rubble said in another Play as Being interview...I never forgot it!)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
    Lia Rikugun: ?
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: i dont feel like an oldby
    Lia Rikugun: i feel like a newby

    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs, I hope you don’t take that the wrong way
    Lia Rikugun: and I think i always want to feel like this
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me too!
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: keeps things open I guess
    Lia Rikugun: or dynamic and flexible at least this is my idea of newby
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, not fixed to a certain mind set, out of habit
    Lia Rikugun: but you have been in PaB over a year too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes it doesn’t feel like it
    Lia Rikugun: so you are as oldby as I am! :D
    SophiaSharon Larnia: heheh
    Lia Rikugun: oldby or newby as you want to look at it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it’s getting kind of strange in sl for me, i am distracted by appearances here
    Lia Rikugun: what do you mean?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just like being distracted in rl by appearance
    Lia Rikugun: what kind of appearance is distracting you from what?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, we chose how our avatars look (some of us) and change clothes, and shapes, which takes time and thought
    Lia Rikugun: oh ok
    Lia Rikugun: and what do you want not to get distracted of?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: seems to distract from what is 'real' or what we came here to do, explore being
    Lia Rikugun: hm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in some way, i almost wouldn’t mind if we were all boxes, just for the sake of meetings hahahaha
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it would feel truer
    Lia Rikugun: but like this its a lot of fun
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes, i love making things here
    Lia Rikugun: i think it depends on how you feel
    Lia Rikugun: I have these thoughts a lot
    Lia Rikugun: "a i should be doing this instead of doing that"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe I can find my pab shirt too
    Lia Rikugun: but in the end you are doing what is fun and what you like
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, thats true :))
    Lia Rikugun: this is what i am telling myself
    Lia Rikugun: i guess there are times when you do that and there are times when you do this
    Lia Rikugun: haha but maybe i am completely wrong
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no, none of it is wrong
    Lia Rikugun: i just relax when I tell this to myself
    Lia Rikugun: and i dont need to have a bad conscience
    Lia Rikugun: ;)
    Lia Rikugun: even though i know it would be "better" to do the other thing
    Lia Rikugun: but maybe there is a specific time for everything
    Lia Rikugun: i dont know
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, a time for everything,

    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks for talking with me Lia :))
    Lia Rikugun: well thank you for interviewing me
    Lia Rikugun: i hope I did a good job
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you are great!!!
    Lia Rikugun: you are great!! we all are! :D
    Lia Rikugun: yeay!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and I’ve wanted to talk to you for a longgg time
    Lia Rikugun: oh wow
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not necessarily in an interview
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but because of your outlook
    SophiaSharon Larnia: etc :)
    Lia Rikugun: thank you
    Lia Rikugun: i am blushing :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grins, ))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have to go... bye for now Lia!!!!
    Lia Rikugun: yes you take care
    Lia Rikugun: and thanks again!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ~waves~
    Lia Rikugun: byebye
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