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    To introduce the topic, Eos noted that the idea was first introduced by Lia at the Malta Retreat. Eos provided the following exerpts:<wbr>Chat_Logs/2009/07/2009.07.17_<wbr>13:00_-_peace_from_within_<wbr>first</wbr></wbr></wbr>

    sophia Placebo: what type of meditation you do ?
    Lia Rikugun: I call it my "happy place"
    Lia Rikugun: but actually it is more like a sally
    Lia Rikugun: i relax and imagine I am in a specific place
    Lia Rikugun: and walk around there
    Lia Rikugun: and see what happens
    Lia Rikugun: always very interesting things
    Lia Rikugun: which i didnt expect
    sophia Placebo: sounds fun !
    Lia Rikugun: actually afterwards I always feel so much more energy
    Lia Rikugun: dont know why
    sophia Placebo: where have you been to so far ?
    Lia Rikugun: in the air, under water, meeting little creatures under the ground
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    sophia Placebo: :))
    Lia Rikugun: i have an old man to who I can talk
    Lia Rikugun: who sometimes answers my questiosn
    Lia Rikugun: little crazy... ;)<wbr>Chat_Logs/2010/02/2010.02.04_<wbr>13%3a00_-_Malta_retreat_-_Lia'<wbr>s_report</wbr></wbr></wbr>
    \Lia Rikugun: the idea i had when I wanted to come to malta to the retreat
    Fael Illyar: Hello Everyone :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Fael :)
    Lia Rikugun: was to just experiment with my consciousness in a way
    Lia Rikugun: i did some exercises which i call going to my happy place
    Lia Rikugun: in a way imagining to be on a grass field and walking around there
    Lia Rikugun: sot his was something i wanted to concentrate on
    Lia Rikugun: pema suggested a similar kind of meditation
    Lia Rikugun: where i dont close my eyes and see a different world but where I try to imagine things in the world i see
    Lia Rikugun: somehow mixing 2 realities
    Lia Rikugun: this was an interesting experience for me
    Lia Rikugun: this is what I tried to do during the silent day on wedesday
    Lia Rikugun: maybe i tell you more about it
    Lia Rikugun: i left the farmhouse to walk around a little bit
    Lia Rikugun: and somehow i entered a magical place :)
    Lia Rikugun: a magic kingdom
    Lia Rikugun: with a dog as king :)
    Lia Rikugun: this sounds crazy
    Lia Rikugun: but it was fun
    Lia Rikugun: stone guards guarding the entrance
    Lia Rikugun: and tiny people attacking me
    Lia Rikugun: little flower ladies
    Lia Rikugun: haha
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Lia Rikugun: so somehow a very creative experience
    Lia Rikugun: and i dont know where this came from
    Lia Rikugun: it was very real in a way
    Lia Rikugun: i saw it (not with my eyes obviously)
    Lia Rikugun: but very interesting
    Lia Rikugun: so this is what i like to continue
    Lia Rikugun: to mix up both experiences of real world and somehow imagined things

    dreaming of meditating

    Lia Rikugun: another very interesting experience i had
    Lia Rikugun: we talked about this during pemas session already
    Lia Rikugun: but i want to talk about this again
    Lia Rikugun: i had a very intense dream on wendesday night
    Lia Rikugun: after the silent day
    Lia Rikugun: and
    Lia Rikugun: where i dreamt that we were sitting with the group
    Lia Rikugun: and pema was suggesting a meditation
    Lia Rikugun: i dont remember the exact words anymore
    Lia Rikugun: it is fading more and more
    Archmage Atlantis: Could the master also be a participant, or is that individual always the master?
    Lia Rikugun: but what i associated with the meditation was to go deeper and deeper
    Lia Rikugun: i saw a stairway in the house i lived when i was a child
    Lia Rikugun: and this was the meditation to go down the siars
    Lia Rikugun: so thats what i did during the dream
    Lia Rikugun: and slowly step by step going down
    Lia Rikugun: until it got very very loud
    Lia Rikugun: and things were happening around me
    Lia Rikugun: and my first feeling was to leave
    Lia Rikugun: but i stayed i was curious
    Lia Rikugun: i wanted to get to know this feeling in a way
    Lia Rikugun: it was inbetween being frightened and curious
    Lia Rikugun: and i wanted to stay with this feeling for a while longer
    Lia Rikugun: but slowly it went away
    Lia Rikugun: left each single part of my body one after the other
    Lia Rikugun: this was such an intense feeling i cannot put it in words
    pema tells me he had a similar feeling during his dream

    Lia Rikugun: and then at the breakfast table on thursday morning
    Lia Rikugun: i was telling wol and eos and pema
    Lia Rikugun: and pema tells me he had a similar dream before!
    Lia Rikugun: :D
    Lia Rikugun: weird no?
    Lia Rikugun: during the day we wanted to do another meditation
    Lia Rikugun: and pema asked around what should we do?
    Lia Rikugun: fefonz suggested to do a meditation holding hands
    Lia Rikugun: and then i suggested while we do this we can also do the meditation from the dream
    Lia Rikugun: and i felt it was very powerful in a way
    Lia Rikugun: what do the retreat goes think?
    Lia Rikugun: goers
    Lia Rikugun: well
    Mickorod Renard: was this the going down the steps?
    Lia Rikugun: yes with holding hands
    Mickorod Renard: I thought it was fun,,I seemed to be being led down
    Lia Rikugun: yes i think it is very weird
    Archmage Atlantis: You saw a force of compelling, Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: in a comfortable way
    Lia Rikugun: and it gets weirder
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Lia Rikugun: or what?
    Lia Rikugun: who was pullign you?
    Mickorod Renard: I ended up popping out into some new born universe
    Lia Rikugun: mick, whatz was pullign you?
    Mickorod Renard: nothing was really pulling me but perhaps my inquisitness
    Lia Rikugun: or maybe this is too personal
    Lia Rikugun: ah ok

    a materialization of the staircase ... :)

    Lia Rikugun: ok so it got weirder
    Mickorod Renard: or perhaps some sort of connectedness to something larger
    Lia Rikugun: ah wow
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I was suprised
    Archmage Atlantis: The weird is the word used by humans who would not see
    Lia Rikugun: :) i dont see then
    Lia Rikugun: i can use the word intersting
    Lia Rikugun: it got more interesting
    Lia Rikugun: ;)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles and listens
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: pema and arabella i think opened a door
    Lia Rikugun: in the farmhouse
    Lia Rikugun: in the room where we meditated
    Lia Rikugun: we havent opened the door before
    Lia Rikugun: and the funny thing was that there was a staircase
    Lia Rikugun: everybody had imagined to go do0wn a staircase
    Lia Rikugun: and now we really find one
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Lia Rikugun: i had the serious question that it was maybe not there before
    Lia Rikugun: the thing is i can never know
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so you guys were kind of at the bottom of this staircase
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: it went down and up
    Lia Rikugun: in the middle
    Archmage Atlantis: yes, lia, we found one......but it it the correct one
    Lia Rikugun: what do you mean arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: To me, it means....
    Archmage Atlantis: we found the depths of our past
    Lia Rikugun: hm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: where did this real staircase lead to?
    Lia Rikugun: i dont want to give it any interpretation
    Archmage Atlantis: Our future is yet to be imangined
    Lia Rikugun: we didnt go down :)
    Lia Rikugun: because of mice and rats
    Lia Rikugun: maybe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Lia Rikugun: arabella warned us
    Lia Rikugun: so i guess i come back with more questions
    Lia Rikugun: about what is real and not
    Lia Rikugun: somehting eos said was very important to me
    Lia Rikugun: that the questioning is more important than the answer
    Lia Rikugun: with an answer the question is dead
    Lia Rikugun: did i say this correctly eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: yes :-)
    Lia Rikugun: so in a way i am questioning more the reality i see every day
    Lia Rikugun: which keeps my brain working
    Lia Rikugun: and fresh in a way
    Lia Rikugun: but
    Lia Rikugun: there does not seem to be any possibility for any proof of any reality
    Lia Rikugun: this is maybe the best part
    Lia Rikugun: this keeps you thinking and questioning
    Lia Rikugun: maybe i cannot really put it in good words
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wonderfully put Lia! ~
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Lia Rikugun: so what i want to continue to do
    Lia Rikugun: it to just question the things i see and the things i think
    Lia Rikugun: to stay open in a way
    Lia Rikugun: for other possibilities for other possible realities
    Lia Rikugun: but i can never have a proof
    Lia Rikugun: maybe this is completely crazy
    Lia Rikugun: but on a pratical way
    Lia Rikugun: i think this approach lets me think a lot
    Lia Rikugun: and be creative
    Pema Pera: also, Lia, you didn't yet mention how you took all nine of us to your happy place, earlier that week
    Lia Rikugun: everybody on its own would have been different
    Lia Rikugun: oh yes thats true
    Pema Pera: it became quite crowded there :)
    Lia Rikugun: i almost forgot
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: haha yes
    Pema Pera: that was very nice of you, to share that place with all of us
    Lia Rikugun: i went to my happy place again
    Lia Rikugun: afterwards
    Lia Rikugun: and in the little house on the grass field
    Lia Rikugun: there is a man i visit from time to time
    Lia Rikugun: with the group we almost enetered the house but i stepped outside again
    Lia Rikugun: a few days ago he told me that 10 people might have been a little too much :)
    Lia Rikugun: HAHA
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: so a short description of what we did with the group in the happy place?
    Pema Pera: sure
    Lia Rikugun: so it was somehow very difficult for me
    Lia Rikugun: with 10 people
    Lia Rikugun: usually a walk around meet other people fly around
    Lia Rikugun: so i just described the surroundings
    Lia Rikugun: there was a field of grass
    Lia Rikugun: a tree a little house a forest
    Lia Rikugun: and pema started asking questions
    Lia Rikugun: and giving suggestions
    Lia Rikugun: so at some point i went to the creek
    Lia Rikugun: and everybody with me :)
    Lia Rikugun: i let myself fall into the water
    Lia Rikugun: and it carried me to a canyon
    Lia Rikugun: where i just let myself fall
    Lia Rikugun: into a white fog
    Lia Rikugun: it was more a floating then
    Lia Rikugun: no directions of up and down left or right
    Lia Rikugun: actually i remember it was very difficult for me with 10 people
    Lia Rikugun: i started sweating ;)
    Lia Rikugun: haha
    Lia Rikugun: in the white fog was a hand holding out for me
    Lia Rikugun: and when i took it
    Lia Rikugun: everything turned dark
    Lia Rikugun: not a bad dark
    Lia Rikugun: then soon we stopped
    Lia Rikugun: actually i think i heard fefonz snoring
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: and others told me that they had been very relaxed
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Lia Rikugun: so this was great
    Lia Rikugun: the end
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Wol Euler applauds
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Eliza Madrigal applauds
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and cheers
    Stim Morane: thanks very much
    arabella Ella: some of what some of us described as grunts and snorts :)
    arabella Ella: thanks Lia<wbr>Chat_Logs/2010/02/2010.02.07_<wbr>13%3a00_-_Malta_review%3a_Eos</wbr></wbr>
    Eos Amaterasu: We played a lot with stories, and imagery, and dialoguing with those
    Eos Amaterasu: such as through Lia's explorations
    Eos Amaterasu: Fefonz had a great line, "stories are more sculpting reality than describing it"
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: so in that way Being is not some thing to be described, but something dynamically encountered, including oneself re-sculpted
    Eos Amaterasu: Wol also talked about architecture as embodying a kind of story<wbr>Chat_Logs/2010/02/2010.02.27_<wbr>13%3a00_-_Final_Retreat_Theme_<wbr>Meeting</wbr></wbr></wbr>
    Eos Amaterasu: I've also been inspired by Lia's pioneering PaB work :-)
    Lia Rikugun: ?? what did i do?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: with a kind of visualization, reverie
    Eos Amaterasu: it's a new way of exploring, which I have not done much of in the past, comparatively
    Eos Amaterasu: playing with visualized, imagined, somehow perceived reality
    Eos Amaterasu: walking down that staircase
    Lia Rikugun: pema suggested that :)
    Eos Amaterasu: putting that out, and then seeing what comes back
    Eos Amaterasu: and something does come back
    Eos Amaterasu: being is plastic
    Pema Pera: (but it was your dream in which I suggested that, Lia :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: see what I mean?
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Pema Pera: very plastic!
    Pema Pera: enchanting visualization seems to be a direction that PaB is offering, naturally appearing in our RL sessions . . . .
    SophiaSharon Larnia: can you describe plastic?
    Eos Amaterasu: responsive
    Pema Pera: malleable
    Mickorod Renard: what sort of objectives to you hope we may encounter in this sort of meditation Pema?
    Pema Pera: no objectives :-)
    Pema Pera: but many possible perspectives!
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Pema Pera: there is a strong devotional quality that comes with these sallies
    Eos Amaterasu: if you actively investigate, put something out, more comes back than you might expect
    Pema Pera: a willingness to follow the unknown
    Pema Pera: as Lia is a master in
    Pema Pera: (including tracing unknown chat logs that have not yet been posted :-P )
    Wol Euler: heh
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Wol Euler: I've greeted RudeNoob2 too.
    Mickorod Renard: is this a sort of awake dream state with perhaps some of those qualities where the mind works free of its confinements?<wbr>Chat_Logs/2010/04/2010.04.28_<wbr>13%3a00_-_Stories_and_<wbr>storytelling</wbr></wbr></wbr>
    Wol Euler: I wanted to take part in a few more visualizations, what was Lia's word?
    Wol Euler: and I'd have liked to talk a little more about storytelling
    Wol Euler: more like the sally porte in a fortress: voyaging out to explore
    Agatha Macbeth: Yo ho
    Pema Pera: we didn't do any sallies this time; in fact, that was something we've only done that time in Malta, spontaneously
    Wol Euler nods.
    Pema Pera: as for storytelling, yes, I enjoyed the way you described the architect side of story telling
    Pema Pera: how you view things, buildings, uses thereof
    Darren Islar: what is storytelling?
    Wol Euler: I'm hesitating between storytelling as a way of creating the world, like the Old Ones singing theworld into being in the Dreamtime, or God speaking the words of creation
    Wol Euler: and the feeling that this might not be compatible with mindfulness and dropping
    Agatha Macbeth starts playing her dijeridoo
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: for starters, we can acknowledge that we are all engaged in storytelling, any moment of the day . . . .
    Agatha Macbeth: Can you guesss what it is yet?
    Pema Pera: independent of what the world really is like, if that even makes sense as a question
    Wol Euler: I've noticed a common thread in what I'Ve been reading lately, telling stories about storytelling, speaking hte world into being.
    Wol Euler nods to pema
    Pema Pera: even if the world is exactly the way science describes, or any religion for that matter, in any of those cases we still have to make ourselves at home in that world by telling our own story
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Pema Pera: so at the very least we tend to live out a kind of "own story" -- at least most of the time
    Pema Pera: and the question is to what extent we can wake up from that story
    Pema Pera: or at least see beyond its boundaries . . . .
    Agatha Macbeth: And who is the editor?
    Pema Pera: a collaboration between us and the world perhaps?
    Pema Pera: in some shifting way?
    Wol Euler: yep, that sounds about right
    Pema Pera: stepping on someones toes edits his/her story quite clearly :)
    Wol Euler: like two pens writing at once on a single page
    Wol Euler: (at least two)<wbr>Chat_Logs/2010/09/2010.09.21_<wbr>19%3a00_-_Directed_Sallies_at_<wbr>Plastic_Reality</wbr></wbr></wbr>
    Eos Amaterasu: and some people use active imagination in a very dream like manner
    Hana Furlough: eos, can you say more about that?
    stevenaia Michinaga: creativity is very dreamlike
    Eos Amaterasu: Well, we've talked about making little excursions into the imagination, as one way of exploring being, actually
    Archmage Atlantis: The giver of this workshop talked about "directed dreaming".....setting a concious purpose before the dream state in order to achieve a personal change.
    Archmage Atlantis: That is something that I want to explore
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, Arch, reality, including dream reality, seems responsive to us :-)
    Hana Furlough: plastic?
    Ewan Bonham: Including dream reality?
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, I think dream reality can very definitely be responsive. Lucid dreamers clearly report this.
    Eos Amaterasu: every perception has a kind of flexible quality, tunable in various dimensions
    Eos Amaterasu: I think the little exercises we do, like APA, are directed sallies at a plastic reality
    Lila Darkmatter: oh wow, what a sentence to walk into

    Hana Furlough: do you ever find that your perceived degree of the plasticity of reality changes?
    Hana Furlough: wow that sounded weird
    Hana Furlough: sorry
    Lila Darkmatter: sounded great

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