Stuttgart retreat talk during sessions


    Excerpts of discussions of the Stuttgart retreat, during recent PaB sessions
    Sunday Oct 17 01:00 Feeling silence in all that chaos
    Wol Euler: how are you today?
    Qt Core: quite good, and you, after the retreat ?
    Wol Euler: so far, so good :)
    Wol Euler: keeping busy, which may help
    Qt Core: there should be some study about PRS post retreat stress ;-)
    Wol Euler: I hadn't thought about it before, but it is especially sad for the coordinator when a retreat ends
    Wol Euler: because you stay still and the others go away from you
    Wol Euler: I had dinner with Eos and Pema on friday night, and saw Pema to the train yesterday morning
    Qt Core: and all the thought about what you wanted it to be and what it was (even if it went well)
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: it's over very suddenly and there is nothing to fill the space, not even travel
    Qt Core: maybe, if you didn't take the pc with you you may have had a bunch of email/im to read as to come back online
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Wol Euler grins
    Qt Core: thinking about the silence day in retreats, you are silent, but the rest of the workd isn't
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: and you become very aware of that
    Wol Euler: have you ever done a silent day like this?
    Qt Core: no
    Qt Core: and you probably end up trying to map the noise you listen
    Sunday Oct 17 08:00 Guardian Meeting
    Eliza Madrigal: Also, welcome back from retreat Eos!
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you have a report for us? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Eos, wb
    Eos Amaterasu: Saturday, Oct 23, at the 7 am session, the guardians who were at the Stuttgart retreat will be there to discuss the retreat
    Eos Amaterasu: It was a great retreat, I think
    Agatha Macbeth makes a note
    Eos Amaterasu: The group was basically a subset of the Malta retreat group
    Eliza Madrigal: really looking forward to that session, hope to make it
    Eos Amaterasu: 6 AVs out of the 10 who had been at Malta
    Eos Amaterasu: so everyone had done at least one previous RL retreat
    Eos Amaterasu: which did make a difference
    Eos Amaterasu: we went deeper, further (where no AV had gone before :-)
    Eliza Madriga smiles
    Zen Arado: hope you brought your humans along :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, we were embodied in RL forms :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: So the discussions were easier to get into Eos, or was it the range?
    Eos Amaterasu: Wol has started a retreat reports page
    Eliza Madrigal: Wol's reflections are just wonderful, appreciate those
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: I think we were able to go more intensively into Being seeing, and into awaring from awareness (just made up the latter term)
    Eliza Madrigal: really curious to hear about 'time space and awareness'
    Eos Amaterasu: The place was wonderful: in the rolling German hills
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Awaring from awareness :)))
    Eos Amaterasu: huge farm area, with big big sky, trees and forests around
    Eos Amaterasu: Lia saw some deer; I saw what seemed to be quite a sizeable hare
    Eos Amaterasu: accomodations were quality
    Eos Amaterasu: the room where we had our practice discussions reminded me of that room at the very end of 2001: A Space Odyssey
    Eos Amaterasu: high windows, light
    Agatha Macbeth: Did it have a monolith? :p
    Eliza Madrigal: Ohhhh, nice
    Eos Amaterasu: It's amazing how we can progress. I certainly felt that, as did others.
    Eliza Madrigal: progress... to where?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: aha!
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: we did talk about enoughness, E!
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Zen Arado: just came from a non duality meeting :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but did you play as enoughness?
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Eos Amaterasu: heh heh, yes
    Storm Nordwind: Brings a new meaning to the idiom: "Enough already" perhaps? :)
    Eos Amaterasu: we let our monkey minds frolic in the space between swinging vines
    Eliza Madrigal: Very nice, both
    Bleu Oleander: monkey minds?
    Eliza Madrigal: Steve insists I was there.... so Im just going with that....
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I was wondering too...
    stevenaia Michinaga: giggles
    Eos Amaterasu: Wol has her report up already, plus of course she tweeted every day :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Darwinian term? ;-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Corvi and SophiaSharon have settled on a hotel for the Bourbon (I mean New Orleans urban) retreat
    Eos Amaterasu: coming up January 23, full details shortly
    Eliza Madrigal: monkey mind is the restless mind... the "I have to DO something" mind perhaps... the "where's the remote" mind...
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Paradise Tennant: nods okies
    Eos Amaterasu: Wol hit a homer with this retreat :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bases loaded?
    Eos Amaterasu hears the 15 minute bell
    Eliza Madrigal: :) sounds that way
    Eos Amaterasu: Only problem was the highly variable satellite internet access
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Paradise Tennant: smiles well maybe .. part of the perfection the enoughness :)
    Eliza Madrigal: which may have been a plus for the idea of 'retreat'?
    Paradise Tennant: nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Eliza Madrigal: Indeed Paradise!
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, Eliza. In fact Wol suggested including no internet on silent days
    Eos Amaterasu: (for future retreats, if that's agreeable)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: seems like you all were very much in sync!
    Zen Arado: can't imagine internet access at zen retreats
    Agatha Macbeth: Might be a bit difficult to enforce in an urban retreat tho
    Zen Arado: reading a book would be frowned upon
    Eos Amaterasu: Just for the silent day
    Eliza Madrigal: well... no enforcement in pab ... hehe
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm enforcment on a retreat
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, course...
    Agatha Macbeth: 'No law is good law'
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, "to live above the law you must be honest" Bob Dylan as oft quoted by Eos
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay for Bobsie
    Paradise Tennant: before we go eos can you share your most compelling memory of the retreat ..
    Eos Amaterasu: big big sky, + people can and do exfoliate
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah....
    Eliza Madrigal: exfoliate...
    Eliza Madrigal: hm
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Looking at the big sky'
    Eliza Madrigal is 'being puzzled'
    Sunday, Oct 17 13:00 - Toward Halloween Re-treats
    Maxine Walden: hi, Yaku! How was the retreat?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it was really nice
    Maxine Walden: :) so glad!
    Maxine Walden: looking forward to hearing about it...
    Maxine Walden: tho it is difficult if not impossible to really share in words the personal experience, I imagine
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was a bit split in my thoughts since there were only ppl whom attended the retreat on malta already, but having less participants also created more depth
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we´ve been talking about thoughts alot
    Maxine Walden: care to say more about the retreat, Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i we´ve been talking about monkey´s alot and used that as a metaphor for unhelpful thoughts
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: of course a lot of meditations with specific focus
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like being seeing practices with objects around us and visualisations
    Yakuzza Lethecus: having a small group really gave more depth to see everyone as a whole in more detail
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least that was my impression
    Maxine Walden: yes, a small group does facilitate in depth focus
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi eos
    Maxine Walden: How was it for you? (difficult question, of course)
    stevenaia Michinaga: in 130 characters, like Wol
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Retreat Reports
    Eos Amaterasu: (that's less than 140 characters, I think)
    Maxine Walden: :)) yes, did see Wol's report.
    Eos Amaterasu: Sorry I missed Yaku's reporting
    stevenaia Michinaga: TY eos, I don't use twitter enough
    Eos Amaterasu: he was one of the stars of the retreat :-)
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Eos Amaterasu: btw, there is now a consolidated email list for all participants of any previous RL retreat
    Maxine Walden: ah, interesting!
    stevenaia Michinaga: how many are on it
    Eos Amaterasu: we'll have to add links to sessions where retreatants are telling all
    Eos Amaterasu: 22, stevenaia
    Maxine Walden: (maybe less than 130 characters, Steve)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: heh heh
    Eos Amaterasu: when we have 140 characters at an RL retreat, that's called a retweet
    Maxine Walden: hahaha LOL
    stevenaia Michinaga: laughs
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, i watched wol´s report and she covered it already
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was talking about the monkeys and being seeing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: as well as the issue that i should take notes in order not to forget things :)
    Eos Amaterasu: it's all Lia's fault - she showed up in a monkey t-shirt!
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: when i read wol´s report it feels like a nice reminder of what happened :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes indeed!
    Eos Amaterasu: We did the equivalent of walk and chew gum at the same time
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was thinking a retreat scribe would be interesting to have
    Eos Amaterasu: ie, practice while talking, discussing
    Eos Amaterasu: let awareness be, and let awareness see, while yakking
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: (not just aimed at Yaku :-)
    Maxine Walden: haha
    Eos Amaterasu ponders the notion of a retreat scribe
    Bruce Mowbray: Believe it or not, there is a Zen tradition that does not meditate -- because they practice "awareness and presence" all the time.
    Eos Amaterasu: indeed, if you can't be that way here, you're not being that way, are you?
    Bruce Mowbray agrees with Eos on that.
    Bruce Mowbray: Although I've never been to a PaB retreat, I understand there are periods of silence -- and meditation, also?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes and discusion
    Eos Amaterasu: Usually the middle day is a silent day
    Eos Amaterasu: silent meaning no talking except for "functional talking" like "pass the (what's the german word for salt?)"
    Bruce Mowbray: The middle day -- silent -- good "balance' for the retreat, that way.
    Monday, October 18 01:00 - Shift key and plants
    Susan Aloix: Bertram...Yaku told me about the retreat you were just on....sounded lovely
    Bertram Jacobus: yeah - was great ! this morning i thought about it and that it stenghtens my awareness in a way , currently at least ...
    Moon Fargis: :) to bad i couldnt come but i dont have even the money for the fuel
    Susan Aloix: so wonderful Bertram.......i like hearing its strengthened your awareness
    Susan Aloix: same......the fuel from australia to germany would kill me lol
    Bertram Jacobus: aww - that´s really sad moon ! but may be in future we could also organize some local groups and meetings - you are not so far away from cologne ? do i remember that correctly ?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes susan : we "worked" a lot with that point , awareness and how to have it in meditation as well as in every day actions ...
    Moon Fargis: bert: 370 km
    Bertram Jacobus: whereas "have" is really not the right word - better to be able to be in contact with it perhaps ? :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: I think it's great to bring some "work" into it ... which seems easier to do at the retreats
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ! it is (!) - and the "work" consists simply in experimenting and doing it quite intensly, to give it some time, spend time with such topics ...
    Bertram Jacobus: may be once there will be also be a pab retreat in australia ... :-)
    Susan Aloix: i'm sure thats on the cards :)
    Susan Aloix: are there other aussies who come to PAB/?
    Bertram Jacobus: for me it was the second one and i can say both were very enjoyable yes helpful and nice ...
    Monday, October 18 07:00 - Punctures in the Spiritual Ether
    Eden Haiku: Oh yes, the retreat!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it was really, nice
    Eden Haiku: See you soon Yaku!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: cya soon eden, take care alf
    Eden Haiku: Loved Wol report!
    Eden Haiku: Hope you are posting yours too Yaku!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, her's is great and i don't know if i can tell even more
    Eden Haiku: Oh yes, your point of view is unique!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so many impressions and wol covered everything in her verbalicious words
    Eden Haiku: Verbalicious words you too Yaku!
    Eden Haiku: Just write it down the way it comes to you...
    Monday, October 18 13:00 - Mic's Mike and short Retreats
    arabella Ella: Wol I would just like to say I really enjoyed reading your log for the retreat thank you so much for sharing it with us in such a lovely way!
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Wol Euler: oh thank you :)
    Wol Euler: I'm pleased.
    Mickorod Renard: I can make the assissi one
    Mickorod Renard: but nobody talks about it
    Wol Euler: we did :)
    arabella Ella: ah Mick the details will be out now that Stuttgart is over
    arabella Ella: you need to be less impatient :)
    Mickorod Renard: I am getting suspicious that perhaps noone wants me to go on it :)
    arabella Ella: LOL
    Wol Euler: awwwwww
    Mickorod Renard: are you going to Assisi Wol?
    Wol Euler: very unlikely, mick, sad to say
    Agatha Macbeth: St Francis will miss you
    Wol Euler: I will definitely go to Nova Scotia again
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I felt quite sad that i couldn't get outa work for the stutgard one
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: we talked about all the missing pabonauts :)
    arabella Ella: yes i am sure more people would love to attend the retreats but the dates and cost are also factors plus other personal stuff of course
    Wol Euler: well, there are moves afoot to deal with that, ara.
    arabella Ella: oh good
    Wol Euler: nothing definite yet, but we were talking about nine hour retreats
    Wol Euler: in the tradition of nine second meditations :)
    Wol Euler: from noon Saturday to noon Sunday
    Mickorod Renard: ohh,,i was hoping u were going to say that we didnt have to work any more
    Wol Euler: heh
    Darren Islar: :)
    Wol Euler: I can say it, sure, but that won't actually help much
    Agatha Macbeth: Works for me [grin]
    Mickorod Renard: :(
    Mickorod Renard: retirement retreat sounds better
    arabella Ella: nice idea
    arabella Ella: (to both Mick and Wol)
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Zen will organise one...
    arabella Ella: a weekend retreat in Rome would suit me fine :)
    Mickorod Renard: mm,,,when in rome and all that
    Darren Islar: those 9 hours retreat are going to take place in rl?
    Agatha Macbeth: What is it with the number 9?
    Wol Euler: oh yes, sorry, more diffferent RL retreats
    Darren Islar: those 9 hours retreat are going to take place in rl?
    Agatha Macbeth: What is it with the number 9?
    Wol Euler: oh yes, sorry, more diffferent RL retreats
    Darren Islar: in a way that makes it more expensive
    Mickorod Renard: nine comes after 4,,that makes it wierd
    Darren Islar: though it works better for the ones having a job
    Agatha Macbeth: And after 7 too :)
    Mickorod Renard: yea
    Wol Euler: and families
    Storm Nordwind: And pie
    Wol Euler: and general laziness too
    Agatha Macbeth grins @ Storm
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Wol Euler coughs
    arabella Ella: i suppose it depends on how far one must travel Darren as some low cost airlines have good deals
    Agatha Macbeth pats Wol on the back
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes, especially if you have no luggage
    Agatha Macbeth: No luggage = HEAVEN
    Darren Islar: true Ara
    Darren Islar: I need to go
    Mickorod Renard: I bet assisi will be cold, as its during easter
    arabella Ella: well Mick you never know about the weather as Easter can sometimes be really nice in Italy
    Agatha Macbeth: Whereabouts is Assisi?
    arabella Ella: actually Easter can be one of the nicest times of the year for travelling
    Mickorod Renard: north of florence
    Tuesday October 19 07:00 - Tuesday Morning
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bert and Ya :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Is it funny to be talking in SL after spending a week in RL together?
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe ... let me think about it ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: "funny" - hmmm ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually i came back into my regular rythm very fast
    Bertram Jacobus: hi bruce ! :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even tho i would like to preserve the feeling of last week a bit longer
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i felt the transition even before i left the retreatplace
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Eliza, Yaku, and Bert.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i started thinking of the theatreplay where i had to help out and the 4 hrs drivingtime
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: I find retreat sneaky Ya... that even several weeks after there are benefits
    Eliza Madrigal: theatre play?
    Bertram Jacobus: for me, it´s so to say "mixed" now with the first life experiences eliza - and that was also already the case after the malta retreat ... :-9
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, for the slanguages conference a few friends of mine had to play an act and they haven´t had enough actors so i helped out last friday
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh! That's awesome Ya
    Yakuzza Lethecus: berthold brecht ,,baal"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least 2 acts
    Eliza Madrigal: No more shell for you, Ya :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bert, mixed?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes sl and first life experiences are in my associations now eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, so there isn't any more feeling of gap at all?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah : i don´t have that in general : net encounterings and first life always are very much linked for me and also often i meet people i met first in the net. i like that. simply a new sort of communication. like telephone for example. i don´t feel a lack with that too. at least not neccesairily ...
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice!
    Bertram Jacobus: yes ! :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: a friendly view of the world :)
    Bertram Jacobus: a happy one, a lucky one. i´m thankful that i can / may see and feel it that way
    Eliza Madrigal: No arguing with that! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: I had a funny RL/SL overlap moment last weekend...
    Bruce Mowbray listens.
    Eliza Madrigal: My daughter and I were walking around an outdoor mall area, and walked into a Halloween store...
    Eliza Madrigal: We were playing with various props and things and I found a bowler hat...
    Eliza Madrigal: I put it on, and immediately felt like....
    Eliza Madrigal: BLEU!
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Bruce Mowbray: ha!
    Eliza Madrigal: I felt like I was dressed in sky....
    Eliza Madrigal: and should have been holding an apple :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It was a little trippy
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Bertram Jacobus: sometimes i experience similar things - but sadly don´t remember an example at the moment ...
    Eliza Madrigal: It is one of those "Am I dreaming?" moments
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: Bleu!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: where ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh... you said hey bleu...
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: I sent Bleu an IM of my story just now...
    Eliza Madrigal: Retreats have that same feeling... funny boundaries and overlaps
    Bertram Jacobus: you have experiences with retreats eliza ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Just with the few PaB retreats I've attended
    Bertram Jacobus: ah yes. silly me
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure about other sorts of retreats sans the SL element
    Bertram Jacobus: "one never can be sure" i think ... ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: but it is funny when you are sitting with RL person and seeing not only that image but also their av image
    Bertram Jacobus: oh yes ! i see. didn´t have that very much
    Eliza Madrigal: no?
    Bertram Jacobus: no. only very little, few
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting to compare notes
    Bertram Jacobus: what means "notes" in this context plz ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, compare experiences
    Eliza Madrigal: perceptions
    Eliza Madrigal: views :)
    Tuesday October 19 13:00 From the Left and Behind
    Wol Euler: Zon, you seem to be wearing a rather large clock :)
    Wol Euler: sorry, IM-ing with Eliza about retreats
    Eliza Madrigal looks innocent
    Bruce Mowbray: Happy to be here ‑‑ Is this a theme session?
    Wol Euler: do you have a theme? :‑P
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Wol Euler: perhaps "happy to be here" could be a theme
    Eliza Madrigal: The theme session for the retreat is Saturday
    Eliza Madrigal: 7AM
    Wol Euler remembers Garrison Keillor
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I thought that was Saturday ‑‑‑ so is Prairie Home Companion, as I recall.
    Wol Euler: right :)
    Wol Euler: Saturday 7am, the retreat reports
    Eliza Madrigal: Sunday here for PHC, Saturday is Wait Wait Don't Tell Me :)
    Wol Euler: we do silent days at our retreats. They are my favourite part of the week.
    Bruce Mowbray: ah well.
    Bruce Mowbray: Living as a hermit, most of my days are "silent."
    Wol Euler: well, yes :)
    Alfred Kelberry: Woly broke something? :)
    Bruce Mowbray: but I talk to the plants and animals, of course.
    Alfred Kelberry: Bruce, I'm sure they appreciate it :)
    Wol Euler: I noticed that I spent several hours on the Internet during my "silent day", and felt that this was wrong *for me*
    Alfred Kelberry: why?
    Wol Euler: so I've decided to make that "no communication" not just "no talking" at my next retreat
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I read what you wrote about that, Wol.
    Alfred Kelberry: :/
    Alfred Kelberry: puzzles
    Darren Islar: I think you're right Wol
    Bruce Mowbray: I thought a lot about it ‑‑ and applied it to my own life.
    Bruce Mowbray: and wondered how I would feel about doing that at a retreat.
    Wol Euler: well, the point of the silence is to listen to what's in you, not what comes out of you.
    Alfred Kelberry: Woly, do you mean you practice silence on the retreat?
    Wol Euler: Alf, we have a silent day during the retreat, which usually means "no talking"
    Wol Euler: *I* found that my Internet use interrupted *my* experience of silence.
    Wol Euler: others may have felt differently, that's fine.
    Wol Euler: I'm not speaking for anyone but myself
    Agatha Macbeth: Any post‑retreat effects to report?
    Wol Euler: not yet, but I know they'll come.
    Wol Euler: I am missing it, missing having the time to sit and contemplate
    Wol Euler: or so it seems
    Wol Euler: again, I have the time. I just use it differently
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Wol Euler: there are not fewer hours in these days than a week ago
    Agatha Macbeth: But the hours are differently spent
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: I did notice one thing right away, though.
    Agatha Macbeth: ?
    Wol Euler: being coordinator has one really strong negative side to it:
    Wol Euler: at the end of the retreat, you stand still while everyone walks away from you.
    Wol Euler: you don't even have travelling to look forward to
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, yes
    Wol Euler: I hadn't thought about that before.
    Agatha Macbeth: How did you return ‑ by train?
    Wol Euler: yes, with Pema and Eos. We had dinner together, then on Saturday Eos took a two‑hours‑before‑crack‑of‑dawn train to the airport
    Wol Euler: Pema and I had breakfast, then I put him on his train home
    Wol Euler: (train to the airport, that is)
    Agatha Macbeth: Still, you pulled it off ‑ quite an accomplishment
    Wol Euler: people seem to have been pleased. which pleases me
    Agatha Macbeth: Absoulutely
    Agatha Macbeth: With too many u's
    Wol Euler: :)
    Tuesday October 19 19:00 Phreatic Being
    stevenaia Michinaga: has the retreat made an impression on you?
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, the retreat felt somewhat concentrated
    Eos Amaterasu: Maybe it was because all 6 participants had been at Malta, and so at at least one previous retreat
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, an nice continuation
    Eos Amaterasu: the room we did our sessions in had a feeling like that room at the very end of the 2001: A Space Odyssey movie
    stevenaia Michinaga: you mentined that, in wht sense?
    Eos Amaterasu: high windows, very white, lots of light
    stevenaia Michinaga: aww, ornate
    stevenaia Michinaga: not futuristic
    Eos Amaterasu: and some quality of being out of time
    Eos Amaterasu: or timeless
    Eos Amaterasu: it was both the room in Stuttgart, and the 2001 room
    stevenaia Michinaga: never thought of that movie as the past, at the time it was a movie of the future
    stevenaia Michinaga: plays with time
    Eos Amaterasu: yes.... that room was in some sort of indeterminate time, though it felt like the future to me
    stevenaia Michinaga: how did that add or subtract for the sessiosn, so used to have them occur here
    Eos Amaterasu: the play of SL time together and RL time together is an interesting factor
    Eos Amaterasu: I think some of us felt we could go a bit deeper, for example into the Being side of things (as with Being Seeing)
    Eos Amaterasu: exploring that both together "in session" and out on walks, in the forest and under the big big sky
    Eos Amaterasu: in the woods there can be more a sense of "being seen"
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice how walks in nature quiets and focuses the mind
    Eos Amaterasu: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: I think the environment here can do likewise
    Eos Amaterasu: Let's try Being seeing in the next 90 secs
    stevenaia Michinaga: kk
    Eos Amaterasu: ie, flip from me seeing, to being seeing me and my world
    stevenaia Michinaga: one moment, there was something in wol's log that came to mind
    stevenaia Michinaga: " try to appreciate myself as the object of its awareness."
    stevenaia Michinaga: this struck a nice cord of clearity for me
    Eos Amaterasu: can u say (or finger - paint) more?
    stevenaia Michinaga: is etting that aside for a moment, during the meditation I saw being seeing my avatar, which never happened before
    Eos Amaterasu: camera seeing?
    stevenaia Michinaga: being as my camera setting, something like that, althuogh I had my eyes closed
    stevenaia Michinaga: more dreamlike
    stevenaia Michinaga: but being the object of being awareness as Wol said offeres a different perspective of being seeing
    Eden Haiku: Wol's report is lovely.
    Eos Amaterasu: She creates a framework that others can add to and complement
    stevenaia Michinaga: hope to attend the Retreat session to hear others
    Eos Amaterasu: BTW, the New Orleans retreat is coming up Jan 23rd
    Eos Amaterasu: the retreat bus is the trans world express
    Eden Haiku: ;)
    Eos Amaterasu: going from SL to special situations in RL
    Eos Amaterasu: the seeming identities shift from RL to SL, but some presence continues or transcends them or supports them
    Eos Amaterasu: "water flowing underground": that was an image that came to me while working with awareness within which everything is known or aware....
    Eos Amaterasu: "once in a lifetime...."
    Eden Haiku: Oh I like that image of water flowing underground. Phreatic Being?
    Eos Amaterasu: (from Talking Heads song)
    Eos Amaterasu: Phreatic?
    Eden Haiku: Checking Webster...
    Eden Haiku: Yes, groundwater...
    Eos Amaterasu: Wow!
    Eos Amaterasu: how super appropriate!
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: me seeing is a kind of baby seeing
    Eos Amaterasu: baby then leaps into embrace of Being seeing
    Eos Amaterasu: you can let go
    Eden Haiku: hummm, sound good...
    Eos Amaterasu: it's less work to let Being do the seeing :-)
    Eden Haiku: Baby being embraced by the gaze of being?
    stevenaia Michinaga: like the baby pumpkin
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eden Haiku: was thinking same :)
    Eos Amaterasu: letting go of driving, controlling seeing
    Eden Haiku: An image of Madonna and child coming to mind
    Eos Amaterasu: into sense of bigger happening, embraced by that, some kind of super trust
    Eos Amaterasu: the visibility of things is Being seeing things
    Eden Haiku: Being rezzing phenomena for babies to play with?
    Eos Amaterasu: but also Being seeing goes beyond subject-object into Being being
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, being seeing is being rezzing!
    Eden Haiku: being being is difficult to grasp...
    Eos Amaterasu: a bouncing baby is being being
    Eden Haiku: hehe
    stevenaia Michinaga: like yin and yang... they can be each other like subject -object
    Eden Haiku: Starting to feel like one as I read on...
    Eden Haiku: baby bouncing in groundwater bath Being :)
    Eos Amaterasu: has rich nourishing quality
    Eden Haiku: yummmm
    Eos Amaterasu: juicy enoughness
    Wednesday October 20 08:00 Yaku talks a little about the retreat
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... not really ... anything on your mind Yaku? How was the retreat?
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Yakuzza Lethecus: well, the retreat was nice!
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: having only 6 ppl gave it an enormous depth
    Eliza Madrigal: people sound 'glowy'
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we did a lot of little meditations
    Yakuzza Lethecus: practices on being seeing and alike
    Eliza Madrigal: did that open up for you then?
    Eliza Madrigal: being seeing, with the dimension of being seen, is pretty interesting...
    Gaya Ethaniel: Little as in a few minutes each?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, wol was usually with the timer
    Yakuzza Lethecus: between 2 and 10 minutes
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah
    Yakuzza Lethecus: on the last day practices without silence
    Gaya Ethaniel: Not on Wednesday?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, of course wednesday was silent :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... practice and chatting?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least until dinner
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting that you did 2 minute meditations
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Eliza Madrigal: it sounds like you got into a unique rhythm as opposed to mapping it all out?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't say that i am an expert by now but at least i would say that i learned a lot
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice!!
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm excited to see how the community might learn from what you did together
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wol got the best descriptions, since she took notes every day
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes, appreciated the tweets
    Eliza Madrigal: like a little peep hole into where you all were
    Gaya Ethaniel: I should go look at the tweets ...
    Eliza Madrigal: the retreat pages have the link I believe
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes all tweets are on the page all together
    Wednesday October 21 07:00 Fun with fruit
    Bleu Oleander: looking forward to hearing about the retreat
    Storm Nordwind: me too
    Barcalona Rhapsody: me too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the session is saturday at 7 am, still since we were only 6 ppl we had more depth in the conversations
    Barcalona Rhapsody: hi arch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wol made nice notes which reminded me even of things that i almost forgot whithout note´s
    Yakuzza Lethecus:
    Bleu Oleander: can you share a highlight with us now?
    Storm Nordwind: Notes are good. genesis made notes at the first retreat. They were comprehensive but they still reminded me of things she missed out!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, those were the monkey´s of course :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lia had worn a t-shirt with a little monkey on it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so the monkeymind became one of the most used metaphors the days after
    Yakuzza Lethecus: still we did a lot of practices as well
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s hard to explain the emotions in the visualizations like the being seen practice
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