2008.06.22 19:00 - A 1% gratuity

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    Pia was the guardian that evening. She later sent the following chat log, with her comments. The photo is also hers.

    When I arrived, Adams and Gamb were already sitting in the pavilion. Pema came in and broke the ice.

    Pia Iger: Hello, Adams, and Gamb
    Adams Rubble: Thank you
    Adams Rubble: Hello Pia
    Gambhira Skytower: Hi Pia
    Gambhira Skytower: hi Pema
    Adams Rubble: Hello Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Pia, Gam, Adams!
    Pia Iger: morning, Pema
    Pema Pera: I really enjoyed the discussion with Stim, a few sessions ago
    Pema Pera: I look forward to read the rest of the text, after I left
    Pema Pera: haven’t had a chance yet
    Pema Pera: just woke up :)
    Pia Iger: Adams put her thoughts on her blog.
    Adams Rubble: It was a very full session

    While we kept talking about last night’s session, Terri joined us, in a very colorful outfit.

    Gambhira Skytower: hi Terri!
    Terri Holrych: hellow
    Adams Rubble: Hi Terri
    Pema Pera: Hi Terri!
    Pia Iger: Hi, Terri,
    Terri Holrych: hi adams
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Terri Holrych: same hair
    Pia Iger: We were deeply touched by the concept of “larger entity” Stim brought up.
    Pia Iger: associated with compassion
    Pema Pera: can you say in your own words what that “larger entity” is?
    Pema Pera: thar was after I left, right?
    Pema Pera: oh, colorful, Terri!!
    Pia Iger: would be “more than myself”
    Pema Pera: you changed from grey to all colors!!
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Pema Pera: after you rezzed for me :)
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Terri Holrych: i changed clothes
    Pema Pera: more than yourself, Pia, in what sense of direction, do you feel you have a kind of handle or pointer?
    Pia Iger: or beyond myself. I am connected with other people.
    Pia Iger: Our experience, or suffering is connected or shared
    Pema Pera: yes, that is beautiful to experience that, to know it and see it and feel it . . .
    Pema Pera: and I have a deep sense that this is what we are doing here in PaB
    Pema Pera: with all the words and actions, it is what you described that is our real base
    Adams Rubble: May I add that it was nicely put..I got it a bit muddled today
    Pia Iger: surely I have heard this kind of sayings before,
    Pia Iger: but yesterday it is much clearer to me, and more heartfelt.
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Pema Pera: that’s wonderful, Pia . . . and I feel the same way, every day things are getting more clear for me too . . . .
    Pema Pera: there seems to be no end to deepening clarity . . . .
    Pema Pera: that’s probably why the great teachers of the past just kept practicing.
    Pema Pera: the notion of “getting it” or “enlightenment” can be very misleading. We learn, we see, we see better, deeper, fuller. . . . .
    Pema Pera: it just goes on and on . . . .
    Pema Pera: sometimes more gradually
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Pema Pera: sometimes with great breakthroughs
    Pema Pera: moving heaven and earth
    Pema Pera: but then still going on . . . .
    Pema Pera: . . . and then you begin to see that there is no time and no moving on . . . .
    Pema Pera: all very paradoxical
    Pema Pera: all this will begin to make more and more sense
    Pema Pera: over the months and years while we’re at it here :-)
    Pema Pera: we just got started!
    Banana Nut Muffin whispers: Hmmm, a fresh baked muffin!
    Faenik likes muffins!
    Terri Holrych: hehe
    Pia Iger: life is very paradoxical!
    Pema Pera: I just feel so grateful to be able to talk with you all about this, several times a day . . . .
    Terri Holrych: its beautiful
    Pema Pera: this has been my dream, to belong to a community like this, on a daily basis of continuous presence, but never in my life got a chance, until now, these last three months
    Pema Pera: virtual worlds gave the potentiality
    Pema Pera: you all gave the actuality
    Pema Pera: thank you!
    Terri Holrych: yes i can attend more dharma events online
    Terri Holrych: thank YOU

    Gamb gave us an offer.

    Gambhira Skytower: can i share a notecard with everybody to read later on your own time?
    Pema Pera: sure of course!
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Terri Holrych: yes
    Pia Iger: Yes.
    Gambhira Skytower gave you The Power of Gratitude.
    Gambhira Skytower: Adams, i already gave it to you
    Adams Rubble: yes, thanks
    Pema Pera: how appropriate!! Do you have notecards for every occasion, or did you just find this, or did it just fit in with our conversation :-) ?
    Gambhira Skytower: well it fit in nicely because you had just expressed gratitude
    Pema Pera: yes, that was amazing, so I was curious :>)
    Pema Pera: fitting very well, thank you!!
    Gambhira Skytower: i went to a talk about it in SL recently
    Pema Pera: I sometimes use “appreciation” in more or less the same way as “gratitude” in your note card — yes, heart center related
    Pema Pera: what was the talk about?
    Gambhira Skytower: Gratitude, but I missed most of the talk
    Pema Pera: I like the line in your note card: Awakens a higher part of our being: Gratitude is primarily a quality felt by the heart centre, that place in the middle of our chest where we can feel our soul, or the essence of our existence.
    Pema Pera: that is a nice description for a way into Being
    Pema Pera: insofar as you can talk of a way
    Pema Pera: (misleading, that, but a first attempt)

    Gamb questioned about Being and trigger Pema to say more…

    Gambhira Skytower: What is this Being you speak of?
    Pema Pera: Appreciate the presence of appearance as a presentation by Being
    Pema Pera: this is one of my mantras :-)
    Pema Pera: Be grateful for — that would be fine to, instead of appreciate
    Pema Pera: Being is difficult to explain
    Pema Pera: if you drop everything that you have
    Pema Pera: what you are left with is what you are
    Pema Pera: that is Being
    Gambhira Skytower: Does it have anything to do with Heideggers book, Being and Time?
    Pema Pera: but then no you anymore
    Pema Pera: no space no time no individuality as we currently understand it
    Pema Pera: Heidegger had an uncanny intuition
    Pema Pera: he was a strange person
    Pema Pera: very narrow and frankly quite unpleasant
    Pema Pera: in fact collaborating with nazis
    Pema Pera: and yet he had this strange intuition
    Pema Pera: he “saw”
    Pema Pera: Being
    Pema Pera: to some extent
    Pema Pera: I’ve talked with Stim about that quite a bit
    Pema Pera: and Stim agrees:
    Pema Pera: Heidegger is one of the few European philosophers who even knew what we are talking about
    Pema Pera: when mentioning “Being” — most others had no idea
    Pema Pera: Spinoza had a sense too
    Pema Pera: I think Husserl did too, but Husserl was much more careful than Heidegger
    Pema Pera: I’m willing to bet a lot that Husserl saw it as clearly as Heidegger, if not more clearly, but he did not want to write about what he could not precisely formulate
    Pema Pera: Husserl was Heideggers thesis advisor
    Pema Pera: a Jew
    Pema Pera: Heidgger later betrayed him
    Pema Pera: when he sides with the Nazi
    Pema Pera: Nazis
    Pema Pera: all very sad
    Adams Rubble: more than sad
    Pema Pera: so it shows: getting a sense of Being in itself is not enough
    Pema Pera: One way to say it: Heidegger missed “Play” . . . .
    Pema Pera: only sensed “Being” . . . .

    Pema had to go, but he wanted to discuss with Adams regarding to one sensece in her blog first.

    Pema Pera: Sorry, I have to run to a lunch meeting here in Shibuya, Tokyo
    Pema Pera: in five minutes
    Terri Holrych: ok
    Adams Rubble: bye Pema
    Pema Pera: I hate these time zones . . . would love to keep talking with y’all !
    Terri Holrych: thank you for allowing me to visit
    Pema Pera: yw Terri, any time, of course!
    Pema Pera: Adams, just one reaction to your blog
    Pema Pera: “what do I need to subtract”
    Pema Pera: the real answer is “I”
    Pema Pera: which means there is no answer
    Pema Pera: because “I” cannot subtract “I”
    Pema Pera: but Being can
    Pema Pera: Being already has
    Pema Pera: there never has been an I
    Pema Pera: but if there is an illusion of I then that illusion has to be dropped
    Pema Pera: Let’s talk about that next time :-)
    Pia Iger: puzzled..
    Adams Rubble: yes, thank you
    Pema Pera: yes, Pia?
    Pia Iger: will ask you next time.
    Pema Pera: one line?
    Pema Pera also does not want to leave
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pia Iger: I have to think about it to form a question.
    Pema Pera: okay!
    Pia Iger: don’t think we can solve in 4 min
    Pema Pera: By the way, Gambhira, the type of note card you sent is wonderful
    Gambhira Skytower: oh good
    Pema Pera: and in a week or so we will have a PaB wiki
    Pema Pera: so that we can all put up notes like that
    Pema Pera: for a growing PaB library
    Pia Iger: so much to read, but most important is to do 9 sec. right?
    Pema Pera: oh yes
    Pema Pera: most important is continuity
    Pema Pera: and every 15 minutes reminding yourself of keeping the continuity sticking to it
    Pema Pera: and the 9-sec is a quick and efficient way of doign so ;)
    Pema Pera: Gambhira, if you are interested in becoming a guardian,
    Pema Pera: we would be delighted for you to join us
    Pema Pera: you can ask Adams and Pia about the details (there ain’t many)
    Pema Pera: bye for now, Adams, Gambhira, Pia!
    Gambhira Skytower: i’ll keep that in mind
    Pia Iger: bye.
    Adams Rubble: bye
    Gambhira Skytower: Goodbye

    Adams filled Gamb in about the role of guardians.

    Adams Rubble: It is pretty easy Gambhira
    Adams Rubble: If you are asigned a time slot, you need to be there for a 1/2 hour
    Adams Rubble: You are welcome to stay for an hour
    Adams Rubble: and most people do
    Adams Rubble: You need to keep the log which is done by activatiing your chat log on your computer
    Adams Rubble: and send it to Pema
    Adams Rubble: Otherwise you need to tell new people that the log is being kept and get their permission
    Gambhira Skytower: i’m not ready to be a Gaurdian at this time
    Adams Rubble: also you need to introdcuce them to the 15 minute, 9 second practice
    Adams Rubble: We all felt like that Gambhira
    Adams Rubble: Anyway, did I leave out anything, Pia?
    Pia Iger: no.
    Adams Rubble: that’s it—-that simple :)
    Adams Rubble: one more thing there is a Sunday meeting that is not manditory

    I was curious about Gamb’s interest in SL.

    Pia Iger: Gamb, do you do Zazen here?
    Gambhira Skytower: sometimes i come to the 6pm Zazen Pia
    Pia Iger: just wondering your interest in SL.
    Pia Iger: buddism or Zen
    Gambhira Skytower: I follow Theravada Buddhism
    Pia Iger: Ok.
    Pia Iger: You can certainly come here anytime, no need to become guardian.
    Adams Rubble: Unless you want one of these cool signs over your name :)
    Pia Iger: :)
    Gambhira Skytower: lol
    Adams Rubble: Gambhira has been a big help to me
    Pia Iger: in what way?
    Adams Rubble: He was the one who taught me about mindfulness
    Adams Rubble: and then taught me breath meditation
    Adams Rubble: and introdiuced me to the dharma audio library
    Adams Rubble: there is a link from my blog on the right
    Pia Iger: ahh, that was wonderful.
    Gambhira Skytower: :)
    Adams Rubble: I hope you don;t mind me talking about you in the third person
    Pia Iger: How long have you been practiing, Gamb?
    Gambhira Skytower: about 6 years
    Pia Iger: just curious, what was the triger to follow Buddism? I am nosey
    Gambhira Skytower: I think it was because I agreed with the teachings I discovered, they seemed to describe things as they are, and offered me the chance to improve myself
    Pia Iger: That is a right way– cause you felt it was right.

    Adams wanted to discuss with me what Pema just said to her. And Gamb learned a little trick of text chatting in between.

    Adams Rubble: Pia, were you puzzled by what Pema said to me?
    Pia Iger scrolling back
    Gambhira Skytower: how do you put in a message like that one, where you describe what you’re doing
    Pia Iger: “there never has been an I
    Pia Iger: Gamb, happy to share.
    Adams Rubble: type /me first
    Pia Iger: I just learnt it today
    Gambhira Skytower knows now
    Pia Iger: yes, as Adams said. Try it
    Pia Iger: Yeah!
    Gambhira Skytower is pleased
    Gambhira Skytower: okay, sorry it interrupt
    Adams Rubble: Pia does the “kust learned it go with the quote
    Adams Rubble: just

    Prosper walked in, and I could finally told Adams what I was puzzled by.

    Gambhira Skytower: Hi Prosper
    Adams Rubble: Hi Propser
    Pia Iger: not clear what you asking?
    Prosper Telling: Hi
    Adams Rubble: Your questions might help me, that’s why I am asking
    Adams Rubble: I’m learning this too
    Pia Iger: “there never has been an I” is what I feel puzzled.
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: I will be thinking about it

    We gave Prosper the introduction of PaB.

    Adams Rubble: Welcome Prosper
    Prosper Telling: Glad o make… if a tad late
    Pia Iger: Hi, Prosper, I think you’ve been here before, right?
    Prosper Telling: Not to this particular group
    Pia Iger: we are PlayasBeing group
    Pia Iger: do you know us?
    Prosper Telling: Not sure… I don;t think so
    Pia Iger: We do a special kind of meditation, and then meet here to discuss
    Prosper Telling: I am still learn, hope to always be
    Pia Iger: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/ is our website. You can get more details there.
    Pia Iger: Prosper, so you’re saying you do meditation too?
    Prosper Telling: Thank you. Is it okay if I evesdrop on the remaining conversation?
    Pia Iger: sure.
    Prosper Telling: Zazen and nembutsu
    Pia Iger: Good.
    Pia Iger: We do record our conversation and put it on website. Do you mind your name mentioned in blog?
    Prosper Telling: Not at all
    Pia Iger: thanks.
    Adams Rubble smiles

    I asked Adams how koans helped her thinkings.

    Pia Iger: Adams, I wonder how you do the thinking? Does Koan help you to do deeper thinking?
    Pia Iger: I found hard to keep focus in one question.
    Adams Rubble: Pema gave me my koans in order to redirect my thinking a little
    Pia Iger: redirect?
    Pia Iger: what way?
    Adams Rubble: maybe more direct it
    Adams Rubble: I expect that he either felt I was going in the wrong direction….
    Adams Rubble: in circles…
    Adams Rubble: or floundering
    Adams Rubble: In any case I think it has helped me see some things much quicker than I otherwise would have
    Adams Rubble: My first koan dealt with my impatience to learn
    Adams Rubble: It made me realize that my impatience was a desire
    Adams Rubble: and desires are the cause of unhappiness or misery
    Adams Rubble: So it was a breakthrough for me
    Adams Rubble: My second koan deals with what I am not seeing
    Adams Rubble: I don’t have the answer for that yet
    Adams Rubble: I tought we learned it last night
    Adams Rubble: but I seem to have fallen a bit short of the mark
    Adams Rubble: Moon and Rajah corrected me some this morning
    Adams Rubble: and Pema wants me to keep workng on it

    Adams gave Prosper more details of PaB. As the guardian of this session, I felt I had been lazy.

    Adams Rubble: Prosper, the method that Pia mentioned
    Adams Rubble: is that we stop every 15 minutes for 9 seconds
    Adams Rubble: it is a 1% tax
    Adams Rubble: a very small amount of our time
    Adams Rubble: which we can use to stop
    Adams Rubble: and get a break from whatever it is we fixated on
    Adams Rubble: We then meet 4 times a day at 7, 1, 7 and 1 SLT here
    Prosper Telling: Intersting… I like what I’m reading
    Pia Iger: also we are encouraged to take note after 9sec.
    Gambhira Skytower: i’m gonna log off now everybody. take care. gnite
    Prosper Telling: Did you say tax or gratuity?
    Pia Iger: so we can compare our note here during meeting.
    Pia Iger: bye, Gamb.
    Adams Rubble: Yes, it is good you could come tonight Gambhira. Bye
    Prosper Telling: Take care.

    Gamb left. Adams realized Prosper was joking with her.

    Adams Rubble: I said tax but I might be wrong
    Prosper Telling: Pardon the pun on my part
    Pia Iger: you are right, Adams.
    Adams Rubble: oh
    Adams Rubble: I missed it Propser :)
    Adams Rubble: I overheard you talking to Tara
    Prosper Telling: Gratuity, gratitude,
    Prosper Telling: I’m reading too much at once
    Prosper Telling: (It’s all good)

    We got to know about Prosper’s Buddhism practice.

    Adams Rubble: Am I correct in thinking follow Mayahana Buddhism?
    Adams Rubble: you follow
    Prosper Telling: Me? Yes.
    Adams Rubble: and that includes Amida?
    Prosper Telling: Cat was breaking in through the screen… can you repeat that last part?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Does that include Amida?
    Prosper Telling: Yes, Amida Buddha
    Prosper Telling: Infinite Light, Light, all embracing compassion
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Adams Rubble: It is good to have you in our little community
    Prosper Telling: it is good to be here.
    Pia Iger: Prosper, can you share how you understand compassion?
    Prosper Telling: You like the hard questions, dontcha?
    Pia Iger: Yep!
    Prosper Telling: Leading all beings from suffering is a quick blurb answer.
    Prosper Telling: There is a bodhisattva called Jizo in Japan. His vow is not to leave suffering until the hells are all empty.
    Pia Iger: wow
    Adams Rubble: Is that Guanyin?
    Prosper Telling: It doesn’t matter how thick headed, one sided, incapable of the slightest good a being may seem to be, he refuses to abandon them.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Prosper Telling: Because he sees the Buddha nature in them. I can’t destill it into an easy answer but that for me is compassion.
    Adams Rubble: Do you live in China, Prosper?
    Prosper Telling: Lol, Alabama
    Adams Rubble: )
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Prosper Telling: Though I have some wonderful friends from Taiwan
    Prosper Telling: You?
    Adams Rubble: I am on the east coast in the middle atlantic
    Adams Rubble: So did you learn Mayahana Buddhism from your Taiwan friends?
    Prosper Telling: Dharma seems to be growing everywhere.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Prosper Telling: They run a a Dharma hall called Buddha Heart. There is also a local Zen Group and a few folks who have helped a lot over the internet. Oh, and the Amitabha Society.
    Adams Rubble: This is new to me
    Prosper Telling: Which part?
    Adams Rubble: I first learned about Buddhism through Chinese Art
    Adams Rubble: so I learned about Mayahana Buddhism before anything else
    Prosper Telling: Nice.
    Adams Rubble: I did not know there were Mayahana groups in the US
    Adams Rubble: It shouldn;t be a surprise
    Adams Rubble: I just didn;t know

    It was late for all of us.

    Pia Iger: I should be going, but also want to hear more.
    Adams Rubble: yes, same with me - it is way past my bedtime
    Prosper Telling: The Amitabha is Chinese Pure Land, Mahayana group which has center all over the place and Buddha Light INternation has one in North Carolina.
    Adams Rubble: Ah
    Prosper Telling: Some days I feel like we’re the last frontier of the Dharma but it is here.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Prosper Telling: Yeah, I must sleep too. I look forward to learning with y’all
    Adams Rubble: It was great that you came tonight
    Pia Iger: I’d love to hear from you, Prosper,
    Prosper Telling: Is there a group/list I can join?
    Pia Iger: Pls come again.
    Adams Rubble: good night and bye Pia, Prosper
    Prosper Telling: I shall for certain.
    Adams Rubble: just come at one of the four times :)

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