2009.11.15 19:00 - Re-Retreat+2

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Cal

    stevenaia Michinaga: evening Pema

    Pema Pera: Hi Calvino and Stevenaia!

    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    Pema Pera: small circle tonight :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, sunday evening we get comfy here

    Pema Pera: like sitting around a camp fire

    stevenaia Michinaga: nice of you to join us, not your usual time

    Pema Pera: nope

    Pema Pera: but I thought to bring some variety in my PaB diet :)

    Pema Pera: good seeing you again, Calvino, you're becoming a real regular already!

    stevenaia Michinaga: he is out west, SL time, make PaB more of a dessert than a bedtime story for him

    stevenaia Michinaga: speaking of diet

    Calvino Rabeni: i like the group and premise. have some reservations with the technology though

    Pema Pera: please do tell!

    Pema Pera: I love hearing reservations :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: looking for technology

    Calvino Rabeni: maybe a faster computer would help, but the limited size, lag, etc. lead to residual body tensions that can accumulate to pain.

    Calvino Rabeni: DUring the timeouts the first part is usually discharging those residuals

    Pema Pera: ah, I thought you meant "PaB technology, like the 9-sec method :-)

    Pema Pera: yes, that can be a pain

    stevenaia Michinaga: thought you referred to SL itself

    Calvino Rabeni: NO, PaB tech helps the SL tech work better

    Pema Pera: hahaha

    Pema Pera: building in wait states

    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps we can train the bodymind to handle it better.

    Pema Pera: :)

    Pema Pera: did you get a chance to try the 9 sec in RL as well ?

    Calvino Rabeni: As in feldenkrais style

    Calvino Rabeni: yes but I didn't set clock

    Pema Pera: not needed, though some people like to use a clock; it's a matter of taste

    stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.feldenkrais.com/

    Pema Pera: how did it go, when you tried it?

    Calvino Rabeni: it's not new, so it's kind of habitual - do you find it becoming mechanical, with whatever that applies?

    Pema Pera: no, since there are always new ways to just watch

    Pema Pera: watch thoughts arise

    Pema Pera: or appreciate what presents itself

    Pema Pera: the more you open, the more you notice

    Calvino Rabeni: In theory

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Beatrix

    Pema Pera: the key for me is to not hold on

    Pema Pera: hi Beatrix!

    Pema Pera: or at least try not to

    Pema Pera: the more you let go, the more flowing experience becomes, it seems

    Pema Pera: you said it's not new; have you done similar kind of practices?


    stevenaia Michinaga: I find that to be true, the emptier your mind gets, the more open to be filed with new thoughts

    Calvino Rabeni: The fog that comes out during the timeout seems to have a thought-suppressing power.

    stevenaia Michinaga: seems to be part of the natural creative process

    Pema Pera: it is soothing, yes, isn't it? (the fog)

    Pema Pera: yes, Steve, and also the flow changes

    Pema Pera: more fluid, it seems, when more open

    stevenaia Michinaga: that;s where creativity arises

    Pema Pera: less a sense of "I am thinking this" and more just thoughts thinking

    stevenaia Michinaga: nods

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, P. there are many mindfulness based practices I have done at one time or another.

    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s a lovely moment of seeking without knowing what you will find

    Pema Pera: :)

    Pema Pera: may I ask what kind, what style?

    stevenaia Michinaga: who are you asking?

    Pema Pera: Calvino, sorry

    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    Pema Pera: (I myself started with some Hindu style meditations, then more zen, and then also some TIbetan Buddhist forms)

    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, not sure where to begin - meditations, movements, martial, poetics, contemplation.

    Calvino Rabeni: would be some categories

    Pema Pera: pick three!

    Pema Pera: :)

    Pema Pera: (not to put you on the spot)

    Calvino Rabeni: No problem. it's just that I don't any more keep track of the sources or "schools" involved. Sometimes I just make them up. I think you get to ability to improvise on that basic idea.

    Pema Pera: yes, I know the feeling, I often do the same, when I sit (or walk, or lie down)

    Calvino Rabeni: :)

    Pema Pera: as for the 9 sec practice, did that remind you of any specific form you had been working with earlier?

    Calvino Rabeni: I can contextualize it if necessary.

    Calvino Rabeni: Form? ues

    Pema Pera: hi Paradise!

    Calvino Rabeni: yes

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Eliza

    Pema Pera: Hi Eliza!

    Paradise Tennant: hello pema .. steve cal eliza gtsy :)))))

    Pema Pera: It's like being back in Princeton again!

    Calvino Rabeni: hiya

    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles + Cal

    Pema Pera: Calvino, the four of us where in Princeton just a week ago, in a RL PaB retreat

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi! :)

    Calvino Rabeni: I heard that, sounds nice

    Paradise Tennant: yes seems like a long time ago now :)

    Pema Pera: :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Tomsen

    Pema Pera: The next one is in Malta, of all places

    Pema Pera: Hi Tomsen!

    Paradise Tennant: hello tomsen :)

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tomsen :)

    Pema Pera: yes

    Pema Pera: for a few seconds :)

    Pema Pera: feel free to join us here, with or without Beatrix :)

    Pema Pera: ???

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: is there a banned list?

    Pema Pera: we've had some real griefers, very rarely

    Calvino Rabeni: :) and where is the list?

    Pema Pera: who come back immediately after being ejected

    Pema Pera: so the only solution is to ban them

    Pema Pera: good question, does anyone remember how to look that up?

    Eliza Madrigal: I've never had reason to... Hm, no

    stevenaia Michinaga: sure , it seems all you have to do is check the "Philosophy House"

    Pema Pera: ah, I remember


    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eden :)

    Pema Pera: click on the location at the top, Bieup 63, 41, 10 and then click on "access" on the top bar.

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Eden

    Pema Pera: hi again Eden!

    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, interesting... learned something new

    Eden Haiku: Hi!

    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you Pema

    Pema Pera: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: Calvino, nice to see you again. Did I interrupt?

    Pema Pera: Hi Sharon!

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello SophiaSharon

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :) ;-)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone sorry to be late

    Pema Pera: Wow, really a Princeton reunion: five of us!!

    Paradise Tennant: hey sophia !

    stevenaia Michinaga: Adams s usually asleep at this hour

    Eliza Madrigal nods

    Eden Haiku: Hi Sophiai!

    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves

    Eden Haiku: The circle is smaller isn't it?

    Paradise Tennant: hiya eden :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: it can be larger is another 2 arrive

    stevenaia Michinaga: *if

    Eden Haiku: And there is no water in the fountain?

    stevenaia Michinaga: it would splash and make us all wet

    Eden Haiku: ;-)

    Eliza Madrigal: We'll be steam cleaned during the 90 seconds though :)

    Paradise Tennant: :)

    Eden Haiku: Stm cleaned! i like that ;-)

    Pema Pera: :)

    Pema Pera: For a moment I read "Stim cleaned"

    Eliza Madrigal: yes me too. hah

    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    Pema Pera: (getting sleepy)

    Paradise Tennant: :)

    Eden Haiku: What would "stim" mean?

    Pema Pera: Stim cleared?

    Calvino Rabeni: Pema, do you (or others) read the logs and if so, how are they used?

    Eliza Madrigal reads the logs

    Paradise Tennant: was sorry I missed meeting stim :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: Stim is another as Being person

    Pema Pera: Stim is the name of one of the regular Play as Being folks, Eden

    Pema Pera: there is no specific usage for the logs, Calvino

    Eden Haiku: A ghost is with us!

    Pema Pera: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: How about an informal usage?

    Pema Pera: but they can be used in many ways, like if you like to see what is being talked about while you couldn't be here

    Eliza Madrigal: The logs help us to keep up with one another Calvino, and topics that come up... nurture continuity

    Eden Haiku: Virtual Stim within a virtual world!

    Pema Pera: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: thx

    Pema Pera: also it gives people outside SL a chance to see what we're doing

    Calvino Rabeni: continuity is an issue

    Pema Pera: if somebody googles a topic that we discuss, they may find us that way

    Calvino Rabeni: ok then privacy might be an issue

    Pema Pera: yes, it's a tradeoff

    stevenaia Michinaga: they are also summarized in three day groups by group member

    Paradise Tennant: often there are theme meetings

    Calvino Rabeni: does the public nature of the logs affect what you say - i suppose it must.

    SophiaSharon Larnia: although you sl name is anonymous, after a while of being here it becomes less and less so

    Eden Haiku: The scribes they are called isn't it?

    Pema Pera: continuity is central in PaB. You could say that we trade duration of meditation for frequency and hence continuity: 4/hour in RL, and 4/day in SL

    stevenaia Michinaga: they can be edited by the Guardian who hosts who meetings

    Eliza Madrigal: It is always important to use discernment, but for the most part I think one gets comfortable

    Pema Pera: hard to say, Calvino, I don't feel it affects me (the public nature), but then again, I'm so used to it

    stevenaia Michinaga: although editing is usually limited

    Calvino Rabeni: so pema, I guess you feel it goes over OK in your academic RL, or you have the street cred to support it?

    Pema Pera: I like to be open about the things we talk about here

    Pema Pera: no real reason to keep anything specific confidential -- this is not a therapy group

    Paradise Tennant: no more like shared learning ..

    Eliza Madrigal nods

    Paradise Tennant: lol learning

    Eliza Madrigal giggles at the term 'street cred'

    Pema Pera: that's a good question, Calvino, by no I'm okay with it

    Calvino Rabeni: "reputation"

    Pema Pera: but if I were younger, looking for a start of a career, I probably would use an alt :-)

    Calvino Rabeni: right

    Pema Pera: having tenure helps :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    Paradise Tennant: in many ways sl is rl . just slightly different format


    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all tonight, thanks :)

    Calvino Rabeni: when am I likely to encounter Stim around here?

    stevenaia Michinaga: night Eliza

    Pema Pera: nite Eliza!

    Pema Pera: One more reason to make the logs public is that it gives more of a sense of seriousness to our meetings, how to say, a sense of a gesture to the world, a kind of ritual: this is what we would like to offer, to share.

    Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza!

    Pema Pera: Stim has a weekly slot on Monday afternoon

    SophiaSharon Larnia: whoops, bye Eliza :)

    Eden Haiku: Waves to Stim!

    Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Information/Guardian_Timetable

    Eden Haiku: (through the logs!)

    Paradise Tennant: funny being with many of the same people .. brought back how beautiful the time in princeton was .. so peaceful

    Pema Pera: is a handy list to see who is the guardian "greeter" at each slot

    Pema Pera: yes, but no dog :-)

    stevenaia Michinaga: the dog is in the picture

    stevenaia Michinaga: on the wiki

    SophiaSharon Larnia had a very hard time with the logs at first

    Pema Pera: yes, Woof

    Paradise Tennant: :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: and still does

    Pema Pera: in what way, Sharon?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: everything available there to be read, good days and bad ;p

    SophiaSharon Larnia: random thought that come and go, looking back to see how things have changed

    Pema Pera: we'll all in the same boat, Sharon, typos & all :)

    Paradise Tennant: yes there are some remarkable .. mind stretching conversations and a measure of just general chit chat :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    stevenaia Michinaga: <--getting better at fixing typos

    Pema Pera: :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs

    We break out in "onigokko " dance

    Eden Haiku: And lots of onigokko!

    Pema Pera: onigokko

    Calvino Rabeni: speaking of typoes

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i have to go, so mice to see everyone, sorry to leave so quickly

    Calvino Rabeni: *typps

    Calvino Rabeni: *typos :)

    Pema Pera: stop

    stevenaia Michinaga: stop

    Pema Pera: bye Sharon!

    Eden Haiku: Again!

    stevenaia Michinaga: pema is not so sleepie after all

    SophiaSharon Larnia: okies

    SophiaSharon Larnia: !!

    Pema Pera: are Steve and I the only ones doing the onigokko?!?

    Eden Haiku: Bye Sophia!

    Pema Pera: hehehe

    SophiaSharon Larnia: oneee.......

    Eden Haiku: No I was just slow. ready now!

    Pema Pera: (an old ritual at PaB, Calvino and Eden)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: more lol

    Pema Pera: onigokko

    Paradise Tennant: nite nite sophia gtsy

    SophiaSharon Larnia: whoope who sayyyssss

    SophiaSharon Larnia: stop

    Calvino Rabeni: OMG -ko

    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles

    Pema Pera: :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah

    Calvino Rabeni: what is the trigger?

    Eden Haiku: Any question Calvino? ;-)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: the word onig---

    Pema Pera: say the name of the dance

    Calvino Rabeni: I C

    Pema Pera: ...okko

    SophiaSharon Larnia: do you have it calvino

    Calvino Rabeni: yes but not wrn, I was bashful about the rat tail in other sims

    Calvino Rabeni: :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: ahhh yes

    Pema Pera: :)

    Paradise Tennant: lol

    SophiaSharon Larnia: extra then

    Paradise Tennant: a bit .. awkward I agree

    SophiaSharon Larnia: okies do have to go now *laughs*

    Pema Pera: they should make a version with horns instead

    Pema Pera: bye Sharon!

    stevenaia Michinaga: night Sharon

    Pema Pera: ("oni" means "devil" in Japanese)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: its full perma, i can

    Calvino Rabeni: onibaba

    SophiaSharon Larnia: full permissions i mean

    Pema Pera: a she-devil?

    Calvino Rabeni: y

    SophiaSharon Larnia: b4n!!

    Calvino Rabeni: Japanese demons are lovely

    Pema Pera: yes!

    Pema Pera: tengu

    Calvino Rabeni: and tanuki

    Pema Pera: have you been in Japan, Calvino?

    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengu

    Calvino Rabeni: no, but I hung out in Japanese cultural zone

    Pema Pera: I have the very good luck of being able to spend a few months there every year, for my work

    Calvino Rabeni: Nice.

    Calvino Rabeni: I have spent time in thailand

    Pema Pera: never been there yet

    Eden Haiku: That is luck Pema! I love Japanese culture but I haven't been there yet.

    Pema Pera: have you studied some aikido too, or Reiki, or the like, Calvino?

    stevenaia Michinaga: I've heard of Hundu, , buddist and Japanese demons, are they there as a devil equivalent?

    Calvino Rabeni: I had my "japanese period" too.

    Pema Pera: let me know when you go there, Eden! I can show you some nice places to visit :)

    Eden Haiku: I studied Reiki.

    Pema Pera: I visited mount Kurama recently

    Pema Pera: where I believe Reiki started

    Eden Haiku: Im going to India this winter, but Japan is further away I'm afraid...

    Calvino Rabeni: Eden, do you know Seitan practice?

    Pema Pera: a wonderfully energetic place

    Calvino Rabeni: Seitai?

    Calvino Rabeni: Trying to remember name


    Pema Pera: well, bed time for me . . . .

    Eden Haiku: Time for me to go. Bye everyone!

    stevenaia Michinaga: night Pema,

    Paradise Tennant: :) nite nite pema sweet dreams

    Paradise Tennant: nite nite eden :)

    Pema Pera: nice meeting you all here!

    Pema Pera: u 2 Paradise

    Pema Pera: and all

    Paradise Tennant: think I will turn in too :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: night Paradise

    Calvino Rabeni: bye

    Paradise Tennant: :)

    Paradise Tennant: be well you two

    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: I have alternate event now to, so good night all.

    stevenaia Michinaga: :) night Cal

    stevenaia Michinaga: getting late for em too

    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for joining us

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