2010.02.01 01:00 - Meaning, Purpose, True love & a Story

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Tarmel Udimo.

    Tarmel Udimo: Hey calvino:)
    Calvino Rabeni: GDay, Tarmel :)
    Tarmel Udimo: hehehehe GDay mate!
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: everything is taking a long time to rezz tonight
    Calvino Rabeni: Well there is nothing unusual present :)
    Tarmel Udimo: poor tarmel is looking a little zombie like
    Tarmel Udimo: good to know
    Calvino Rabeni: No glasses, yellow eyes like a cat
    Calvino Rabeni: Round pupils though
    Calvino Rabeni: You're fully rezzed :)
    Tarmel Udimo: ok ok, just looks like it to me
    Tarmel Udimo: yeah no glasses nor my dragon:)
    Calvino Rabeni: Red white and green is the color code for several countries
    Tarmel Udimo: had a good weekend?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Tarmel Udimo: ok
    Tarmel Udimo: red white green?
    Calvino Rabeni: I believe it is the rastafarian code of your dreads
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh its is red yellow green and black I think
    Tarmel Udimo: actually - red, green, gold and sometimes black
    Vertigo Ethaniel: namaste
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Vertigo
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi Vertigo
    Tarmel Udimo: been here before?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yes, many times
    Vertigo Ethaniel: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: great
    Vertigo Ethaniel: havent met you before... but it is good to meet you now!

    --BELL--

    Tarmel Udimo: yes likewise
    Vertigo Ethaniel: quiet meeting this time..
    Tarmel Udimo: nods monday @1 am usually is
    Tarmel Udimo: but we can make it unquiet
    Tarmel Udimo: got a topic:0
    Vertigo Ethaniel: mmm..
    Calvino Rabeni: Indeed, we can make it whatever serves us best :)
    Tarmel Udimo: nods:)
    Calvino Rabeni: Give the heart what it wants :)
    Vertigo Ethaniel: can we extend that to, we can make of life what serves us best?
    Calvino Rabeni: We can.
    Tarmel Udimo: we can try anyway
    Tarmel Udimo: and what does the heart want calvino?
    Tarmel Udimo: what do all hearts want?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: hmm
    Calvino Rabeni: In different seasons, it may vary, yes?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: i think, hearts want purpose
    Tarmel Udimo: ahh purpose
    Calvino Rabeni: I agree, that is up there on the scheme of importance
    Vertigo Ethaniel: they want to know that there is some meaning to existing
    Vertigo Ethaniel: and, be appreciated
    Vertigo Ethaniel: well, my heart anyway
    Calvino Rabeni: they may, and suppose they already know that, then where do they want to go with it?
    Calvino Rabeni: (Tarmel looks around wildly :) )
    Tarmel Udimo: was camming and the got stuck:)
    Vertigo Ethaniel: thats a hard question calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: Purpose has meaning, and then some, I believe
    Vertigo Ethaniel: i think its important to remember how fleeting happiness and purpose can be
    Tarmel Udimo: does purpose have to have meaning:)
    Vertigo Ethaniel: one day, it may be gone
    Calvino Rabeni: How could that be possible :)
    Tarmel Udimo: can one aim to do or be without it meaning anything?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: its possible..
    Tarmel Udimo: well if one aims to do something for its own sake
    Tarmel Udimo: this is the purpose
    Vertigo Ethaniel: most people in the world, i believe, live without meaning or purpose, save to exist for a few days more
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, I don't see why that would be a soul's true choice, so I'd guess it would ultiimately be impossible
    Tarmel Udimo: hard to compare people who live at the edges of survival and people who want for nothing
    Vertigo Ethaniel: true, but take away the means of earning a living, and a person will not survive long
    Calvino Rabeni: I've met people at the edge of survival, full of meaning, heart, enjoyment of life
    Tarmel Udimo: I mean in terms of what they are wanting
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yes - calvino, thats something ive noticed as well
    Vertigo Ethaniel: and thats my point
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Vertigo Ethaniel: the more aware you are of something important to you being scarce or valuable, the more you will cherish it
    Vertigo Ethaniel: and once its lost, you feel its loss
    Calvino Rabeni: Well some of the most valuable things aren't scarce, and vice versa
    Vertigo Ethaniel: it depends how you look at it
    Tarmel Udimo: and how does this all relate to purpose our original theme:)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, and that seems like a choice

    --BELL--

    Vertigo Ethaniel: well, purpose is something that you can have, and believe that you will always have. but one day, you may not have it any longer. and too often, only then is it that you wish you had cherished it.
    Vertigo Ethaniel: that is my experience anyway.
    Calvino Rabeni: What happened?
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I am curious too?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: lost love, nuff said :)
    Tarmel Udimo: (sorry my connection is slow tonight)
    Tarmel Udimo: and your purpose was to love forever?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: i took great joy in providing for and planning for my families future. then one day it was over.
    Vertigo Ethaniel: after that, a lot of daily life seemed meaningless
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Vertigo Ethaniel: its taken a while to get to where i am, and its still not easy
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: I am sorry for your loss
    Vertigo Ethaniel: but that is one example of purpose being fleeting
    Calvino Rabeni: There is great pain in a loss like that
    Calvino Rabeni: But the pain to me speaks of ongoing purpose
    Calvino Rabeni: perhaps, to love again, or to bear responsibility, or to have a gift to give
    Tarmel Udimo: humm and perhaps deeping of the purpose
    Tarmel Udimo: the real purpose behind the planning etc...
    Calvino Rabeni: It forces one to dig deeper
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yes, it does
    Vertigo Ethaniel: it makes you reflect on what you really need
    Vertigo Ethaniel: whats really important in your life
    Calvino Rabeni: What one really needs, might be to give oneself away to something greater
    Calvino Rabeni: Oftimes I think purpose has that flavor
    Vertigo Ethaniel: what could be greater than true love?
    Calvino Rabeni: as in, romantic love for an individual, or something other?
    Tarmel Udimo: I am not so sure anymore
    Vertigo Ethaniel: it doesnt have to be romantic
    Tarmel Udimo: I think perhaps a commitment to ones self
    Tarmel Udimo: to live in a way that is compassionate
    Tarmel Udimo: this will allow one to love as well
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yes, and that is a great form of love for your surroundings
    Tarmel Udimo: enviornment?
    Vertigo Ethaniel: for everything and everyone around you
    Vertigo Ethaniel: not just the environment
    Vertigo Ethaniel: living things
    Tarmel Udimo: understand
    Vertigo Ethaniel: i believe we are all connected with the living things around us
    Vertigo Ethaniel: in some way
    Tarmel Udimo: nods and of course it would be great to find someone to enjoy 'romantic love' with
    Vertigo Ethaniel: to love that which is around you, is to love yourself, and love the whole
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yes, that is a special form of love of course :)
    Tarmel Udimo: :)
    Vertigo Ethaniel: intense, concentrated love
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: well of course the ideal would be to be connected to and in love with all aspects of the other person, not just one
    Vertigo Ethaniel: but, and this is something i have had to learn, you have to be careful not to love so much, that you show everything else disrespect
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh good point
    Tarmel Udimo: women tend to do this
    Vertigo Ethaniel: in a way, draw your attention away from everything else and focus on the one
    Vertigo Ethaniel: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: It is no true love to debase oneself
    Vertigo Ethaniel: i did... i am not a woman
    Tarmel Udimo: I know:)
    Tarmel Udimo: I am generalising
    Calvino Rabeni: And I believe, a true lover does not desire that from a loved one
    Vertigo Ethaniel nods

    --BELL--

    Calvino Rabeni: A true lover does not want to be your one and only focus of devotion
    Tarmel Udimo: sometimes we have all these plans and we forget to give the other person the 'script" :)
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yes true :) haha
    Tarmel Udimo: yes agree calvino but this is perhaps what the mind thinks and then
    Calvino Rabeni: But if you did, would you in good faith hold them to it?
    Tarmel Udimo: bingo the jealously, the possessiveness the clinging the heated emotions kicks in
    Tarmel Udimo: hahahah re script:)
    Tarmel Udimo: no often we don't even realise we are writing one
    Tarmel Udimo: we think we are making things good or better
    Calvino Rabeni: Love can get myopic
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yus
    Tarmel Udimo: and yet i am amazed at how resiliant the heart is
    Tarmel Udimo: well the mind and body too:)
    Tarmel Udimo: you now we bounce back eventually
    Tarmel Udimo: a little wiser and older but yet we bounce back
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yes, well, i am living proof of that
    Tarmel Udimo: I think we all are
    Calvino Rabeni: You might like the thinking of John O'Donohue on this regard
    Vertigo Ethaniel: yes probably :)
    Tarmel Udimo: his poems or his death?
    Calvino Rabeni: How to maintain love and meaning in the presense of all life's challenges
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Echoes.../dp/0060182806
    Tarmel Udimo: true very inspiring
    Vertigo Ethaniel: it has been an interesting chat
    Vertigo Ethaniel: but i must go
    Vertigo Ethaniel: thank you both
    Calvino Rabeni: Glad you dropped in Vertigo :)
    Vertigo Ethaniel: my pleasure, and to both of you, have a great day/night
    Calvino Rabeni: Same, Vertigo
    Vertigo Ethaniel: namaste
    Tarmel Udimo: yes good night vertigo:)
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Tarmel Udimo: new animation calvino:)
    Tarmel Udimo: I am looking for the website that inspires me often
    Calvino Rabeni: The one animation I made
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh you made - congrats
    Tarmel Udimo: I am building my house at the moment
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Liza, you look rezzed tonight :)
    Liza Deischer: rezzed?
    Liza Deischer: hi
    Calvino Rabeni: Earlier we were discussing purpose and true love
    Calvino Rabeni: and loss
    Tarmel Udimo: hey Liza
    Tarmel Udimo: welcome
    Calvino Rabeni: I like stories about these topics we discuss
    Liza Deischer: ehhh.....I just got up
    Liza Deischer: it's morning here
    Tarmel Udimo: ahh yes Holland?
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Liza Deischer: different enverionment then in the middle of the night
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: arpund 9:00pm on Monday for me:)
    Tarmel Udimo: http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.o...ue/index.shtml
    Liza Deischer: that just crossed my mind somehow :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, that was a good interview, Tarmel
    Tarmel Udimo: this is agreat link to the last interview he did
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Liza Deischer: that's two hours difference 11 o'clock
    Liza Deischer: sorry
    Tarmel Udimo: not quite:)
    Calvino Rabeni: And a whole day almost - it is 2am not 9pm
    Tarmel Udimo: more like 10hrs
    Liza Deischer: I mean with you Tarmel
    Liza Deischer: 9 hours with slt-time
    Liza Deischer: I thoght that was 1 hour
    Tarmel Udimo: no worries
    Liza Deischer: but didn't i interrupt something

    --BELL--

    Tarmel Udimo: nope you didn't interrupt
    Liza Deischer: ok
    Tarmel Udimo: we were talking about purpose and love yet again:)
    Calvino Rabeni: I like stories, that don't already have a foregone conclusion, but are about the "topic" of discussion
    Tarmel Udimo: you mean like Vertigo's?
    Liza Deischer: ok
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Tarmel Udimo: yes that was interesting
    Calvino Rabeni: The difference between a story, an anecdote, and a parable
    Tarmel Udimo: ?
    Calvino Rabeni: is worth knowing, because they have different effects
    Tarmel Udimo: ok and what are these effects Calvino:)
    Calvino Rabeni: An anecdote - basically a statement of facts, with not much life
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: A parable - is a vehicle for a predefined meaning - sort of a logic event for a message
    Calvino Rabeni: And a story - a vehicle for the imagination - because it goes somewhere and can take the listener along
    Tarmel Udimo: humm like that a 'logic event for a message'
    Tarmel Udimo: and the other two don't?
    Calvino Rabeni: not in the same way
    Tarmel Udimo: I think it depends on the personality type:)
    Calvino Rabeni: an anecdote might become a story, if the speaker and listener invest it with personal or universal meaning
    Calvino Rabeni: If it acquires an emotional point, a desire to go somewhere
    Tarmel Udimo: yes for many people facts are their lifeblood and they find it hrad to deal with stories
    Calvino Rabeni: that is, a kind of plot or motivation
    Tarmel Udimo: do you write Calvino?
    Tarmel Udimo: tell stories?
    Calvino Rabeni: The factual stance is partly, a reluctance to be fully invested
    Liza Deischer: facts leave out the context
    Calvino Rabeni: Facts are stories minus the soul
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: depersonalized, taken out of context
    Tarmel Udimo: yes perhaps to 'us' buyt for some people this is not the case
    Calvino Rabeni: so they could fit nearly anyone
    Liza Deischer: I don't know
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you have insight into them Tarmel?
    Liza Deischer: I think it goes for everyone
    Tarmel Udimo: facts or stories:)
    Calvino Rabeni: I am tempted to agree with Liza
    Liza Deischer: but not everybody wants the context
    Liza Deischer: to much to invest
    Tarmel Udimo: true
    Calvino Rabeni: The facts are efficient, some people insist on that
    Calvino Rabeni: but it seems to come at a cost
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: that's what i mean
    Liza Deischer: it sure does
    Liza Deischer: sometimes you need to talk to know that you agree with each other :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I have a story
    Tarmel Udimo: this is a very big truth
    Tarmel Udimo: and hopefully its agreement and not disagreement:)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, I like 'em like that :)
    Tarmel Udimo: you do?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, from today. Nice and fresh.
    Tarmel Udimo: ok Liza and i are all ears
    Liza Deischer: okay, please tell
    Calvino Rabeni: And I will make it be "PaB"-ey
    Tarmel Udimo: or eyes as the case may be when reading:)
    Calvino Rabeni: and about purpose
    Tarmel Udimo: good on ya
    Tarmel Udimo: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: And if you like, I can make it about whatever else you might want to request :)
    Tarmel Udimo: hahahahah
    Tarmel Udimo: any requests Liza?
    Liza Deischer: no, not at the moment
    Calvino Rabeni: Or try, of course :)
    Tarmel Udimo: :)
    Liza Deischer: waiting for the story :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: me too:)
    Calvino Rabeni: The bell is coming up - so it will have a built in pause
    Tarmel Udimo: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I was in a cafe, and there were people talking - a man I'd seen before

    --BELL--

    Calvino Rabeni: one of those laptop sitters....
    Calvino Rabeni: I overheard him speaking to another person, just a snippet, like one line of "chat" in SL
    Calvino Rabeni: And in SL, you can inspect someone's profile to find a good question to ask them
    Calvino Rabeni: In RL, I used to not feel that advantage
    Calvino Rabeni: But I assumed, he had a "profile" anyway, so I remembered the way it is in SL
    Calvino Rabeni: and went near and said "I heard you say, your're a teacher"...
    Calvino Rabeni: To shorten things somewhat, it turned out he had a degree in philosophy
    Calvino Rabeni: but worked odd jobs
    Calvino Rabeni: and was writing a certain book most of his life
    Calvino Rabeni: he took lots of odd jobs, but his passion was the book
    Calvino Rabeni: at one point he worked a long time as a cab driver
    Calvino Rabeni: He would have attention and interest for the passengers
    Calvino Rabeni: and they easily found out, then they would naturally stay and tell him stories
    Calvino Rabeni: whatever was going on in their lives
    Calvino Rabeni: (I assume he turned off the meter)
    Calvino Rabeni: He was a student of Zen
    Calvino Rabeni: Meanwhile he was writing a book in a zen way.
    Calvino Rabeni: He decided that - most writers think they will someday write a masterpiece
    Calvino Rabeni: but he decided, that THIS one, the one he was writing NOW, was to be the masterpiece of his life
    Calvino Rabeni: and that would be its meaning
    Calvino Rabeni: No one really wanted to publish the masterpiece
    Calvino Rabeni: and he kept refining it
    Calvino Rabeni: he asked a famous poet, who he knew, to review it
    Calvino Rabeni: the poet was not wild about it
    Calvino Rabeni: The book was a fictional story that conveyed philosophy about - well, life and meaning
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: it was about the journey of a soul, the "true hero"
    Calvino Rabeni: and he is still writing it
    Calvino Rabeni: Now he is a lot older
    Tarmel Udimo: is this a parable Calvino:)
    Calvino Rabeni: He's thinking, should he set it aside?
    Calvino Rabeni: Because he realized his time on earth is limited.
    Tarmel Udimo: was that a question or part of the story?:)
    Calvino Rabeni: It is part of the story
    Tarmel Udimo: ok:)
    Calvino Rabeni: In my view, it is that part that makes it more a story than a parable, because - he doesn't know the answer, nor do I
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps I will see him again
    Liza Deischer: it is an ongoing story
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: it is all our story
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it could have another chapter, in which I am one of the characters
    Calvino Rabeni: It is possible for me to write myself into that story
    Tarmel Udimo: why is the guy you?
    Calvino Rabeni: Or it is possible that my story was already similar to that man
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: a refelction
    Tarmel Udimo: reflection
    Calvino Rabeni: No, not me, but We could walk parallel for awhile
    Tarmel Udimo: ok
    Calvino Rabeni: Or perhaps,I could be part of his network, or a catalyst of some kind
    Liza Deischer: It makes you wonder about purpose
    Calvino Rabeni: you never know what happens
    Tarmel Udimo: no we don't
    Liza Deischer: about what is real or not
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it made me wonder, if perhaps I should have had a more one-pointed focus in my past life
    Calvino Rabeni: as, this man was very one-pointed
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh
    Calvino Rabeni: unlike mysself
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Liza Deischer: yes, but is he going somewhere, I wonder
    Calvino Rabeni: So I found it admirable, but maybe, somewhat disturbing
    Tarmel Udimo: good Q
    Calvino Rabeni: I always wanted to hedge my bets
    Calvino Rabeni: He went "all in" on something.
    Calvino Rabeni: Which is better? I sure don't know
    Tarmel Udimo: well I am sure you have been onepointed just not perhaps for so long:)
    Liza Deischer: To me focus is good, because it can bring you somewhere
    Liza Deischer: but not everyone who is focussed does
    Calvino Rabeni: There is a true way, I have been one-pointed about being multi-pointed
    Tarmel Udimo: hehehehe
    Calvino Rabeni: It has been an intentional strategy
    Tarmel Udimo: yes focus is interesting

    --BELL--
    Liza Deischer: you need to be able to let the focus go
    Tarmel Udimo: when one works as an independent person (not 9-5) one learns a whole lot about focus
    Liza Deischer: when needed
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni listens - maybe Tarmel can reveal some idea or story about creative discipline
    Tarmel Udimo: hahahaha
    Tarmel Udimo: well.......
    Tarmel Udimo: I have finally learnt to trust myself
    Tarmel Udimo: trust my processes
    Tarmel Udimo: know that if I need to focus I will
    Tarmel Udimo: if there is a deadline this is easier
    Tarmel Udimo: you just work towards it and get there
    Tarmel Udimo: what I do know about myself is that if I wait for the right moment
    Tarmel Udimo: I get a lot more done and of higher quality than if I force myself (unless there is a deadline:)
    Liza Deischer: yes, I have the same experience
    Tarmel Udimo: great!
    Liza Deischer: but sometimes a deadline is good to wrap things up
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Liza Deischer: clear your desk out so to speak
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: and i now recognise that when I start cleaning up my desk and the stuff around it that I am perapring to get down to work
    Tarmel Udimo: and the one activity then flows quiet naturally into the other
    Liza Deischer: or find a new thread to focus on :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: hahahaha
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Liza Deischer: the flowing is important
    Tarmel Udimo: yes very
    Tarmel Udimo: and acknowledging that things take time
    Liza Deischer: you can ask yourself if there is still flow going on in the book of your philosopher
    Tarmel Udimo: good point
    Liza Deischer: true Tarmel
    Calvino Rabeni: That is hard, sometimes (T T T)
    Tarmel Udimo: (TTT?
    Calvino Rabeni: Things Take Time
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh
    Calvino Rabeni: I forget who wrote that
    Liza Deischer: Tarmel did
    Tarmel Udimo: hehehehe
    Tarmel Udimo: well you know I was most relieved to read about a famous writer
    Tarmel Udimo: who begins by reading the daily newspaper from the front to the back until he gets so bored he finally begins to write
    Tarmel Udimo: as opposed to those writers who say they get up and always write at exactly the same time everyday
    Calvino Rabeni: AH, I did remember
    Calvino Rabeni: * Put up in a place where it's easy to see the cryptic admonishment T.T.T. When you feel how depressingly slowly you climb, it's well to remember that Things Take Time. o T.T.T. (Acronym in Danish: Ting Tager Tid)
    Tarmel Udimo: ting tager tid sound s a lot nicer than things take time:)
    Calvino Rabeni: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Piet_Hein
    Liza Deischer: it doesn't make it easier though :-)
    Liza Deischer: Piet Hein?
    Calvino Rabeni: Being a native english speaker, I used to find other tongues alluring
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: And only recently decided I liked the sound and rhythm of the english language
    Liza Deischer: we also have a dutch Piet Hein
    Liza Deischer: famous here in Holland
    Calvino Rabeni: One and the same, if a poet
    Liza Deischer: no, not exactly :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Unless it is a common name
    Tarmel Udimo: a scientist
    Liza Deischer: I assumed it was a Dutch name
    Liza Deischer: but maybe it is Danish, interesting
    Tarmel Udimo: humm yes the english language
    Calvino Rabeni: According to the web page:
    Calvino Rabeni: Piet Hein (16 December 1905 – 18 April 1996) was a Danish mathematician, scientist, inventor, and poet.
    Liza Deischer: but my Piet Hein was definetely Dutch
    Calvino Rabeni: Poetry, with a mathematical flavor
    Liza Deischer: hmmm
    Tarmel Udimo: love this> Art is solving problems that cannot be formulated before they have been solved. The shaping of the question is part of the answer.
    Liza Deischer: nice
    Tarmel Udimo: must remember that when stuck
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, there is no theory for that which the art is about, other than itself
    --BELL--
    Tarmel Udimo: humm a bit like humans:)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: (on that note I must sneak away:)
    Liza Deischer: talking about humans....
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Liza Deischer: this human needs another cup of coffee
    Liza Deischer: and get down to work:-)
    Calvino Rabeni: And this one, some dream time
    Tarmel Udimo: yes me too
    Tarmel Udimo: but you are also in the day calvino?
    Calvino Rabeni: It is 2:47 AM
    Liza Deischer: that announces he needs to get some sleep :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: SLT = my time
    Tarmel Udimo: wow - its late
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: But, thanks both of you for the great chats
    Liza Deischer: ty

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