2010.03.14 08:00 - Guardian Session: Time & Space

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    This "Pi Day" Guardian session was attended by 13 guardians Agatha Macbeth : Bleu Oleander : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Fael Illyar : Maxine Walden : Pema Pera : Riddle Sideways : SophiaSharon Larnia: stevenaia Michinaga  : Widget Whiteberry : Yakuzza Lethecus : Zen Arado

    Starting off with Maxine's hair-only view of Pema, and with thanks to Storm, for noting Daylight Savings Time in a recent group email...

    Fael Illyar: Hi Pema :) Snapshot_157.jpg
    Maxine Walden: hi, eliza and Pema's hair
    Pema Pera: hi everybody! (slowly rezzing)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Maxine Walden: hi, Yaku
    Fael Illyar: Oo; Pema's hair?
    Fael Illyar: Hi Zen, Agatha :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya, Maxine, Pema, Fael, Zen, Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi everybody :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Eliza :)
    Maxine Walden: Pema's hair reminds me of grizzly medieval warnings about going against the king
    Pema Pera: ??
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Pema Pera: ah! -- off with their heads!
    Maxine Walden: hi,Zen and Agatha
    Maxine Walden: yes, Pema
    Pema Pera: or "off with their hair"
    Maxine Walden: right!
    Maxine Walden: is it just me or do others still 'see' Pema's hair rather than the whole of him?
    Fael Illyar: move your camera a bit and you'll see the whole of him :)
    Eliza Madrigal: If you move your angle you may see him
    Maxine Walden: ah, thanks
    Agatha Macbeth: I can see him
    Pema Pera: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: That happens to me often with Steve
    Maxine Walden: oh, well, my camera has a special view....maybe I will live with it and see what perspectives it brings
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Pema Pera: not a bad hair day, but a bad body day?
    Eliza Madrigal: 'on having no head'
    Agatha Macbeth: :))
    Maxine Walden: ah, yes, now have the 'whole picture'
    Agatha Macbeth: I ain't got no body?

    ( Gosh, Agatha really knows how to trigger a song)

    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
    Pema Pera: got my hair got my soul
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Steve
    Zen Arado: Hi Steve
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon and Eos
    Maxine Walden: hi, Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Agatha Macbeth smiles @ Pema
    Zen Arado: Hi Sharon, Eos
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi SSL :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And Eos
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi all :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi All
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
    Zen Arado: would have missed this meeting if Storm hadn't mentioned time change
    Pema Pera: hi Bleu!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone!
    Zen Arado: Hi Bleu
    Maxine Walden: yes, Zen, this time change just seemed to sneak up
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, Thanks to Storm for that
    Maxine Walden: hi, bleu
    Zen Arado: Uk hasn't changed yet Maxine
    Bleu Oleander: (we never change in Arizona)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Maxine Walden: ah, that's right, Zen...
    Eliza Madrigal: mavericks...
    Eliza Madrigal: cough cough... hehe
    Eos Amaterasu: had to skip a beat to get here
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Zen Arado: not all states change time?
    Maxine Walden: and right, Bleu, Arizona has always gone its own way re time...sometimes with re other things too
    Eliza Madrigal: Nor Alaska since 2009
    Bleu Oleander: (lots of "other" things!)
    Maxine Walden: ah....!

    Pema focuses the session, and I share a precious pebble...


    Pema Pera: does anybody like to bring up a topic, for us to talk about today? Or shall we try again a little show and tell -- with some of us bringing up events of sayings from one of the sessions last week they liked, to share with us and talk about?
    Eliza Madrigal took part in really nice sessions this week.. a special moment conveyed by Eden in yesterday's 1PM was especially moving...
    Eliza Madrigal: describing what it was like to sit in teachings given by the dalai lama during her time in India... the emotion of them...
    Zen Arado: brb
    Eliza Madrigal: It is remarkable to me how much we can 'feel' here... even through text
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Maxine Walden: agree, Eliza
    Pema Pera: yes, the sense of immersion, co-presence extends surprisingly far
    Eliza Madrigal: and also, not at all in a way.... I felt I was there with her as she descibed it :)


    Maxine Walden: it will be interesting whether reading the chatlog will allow as much of the experience you describe in being there in the session
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, would love to hear that from others!
    Pema Pera: it may be because we really feel present here together, as avatars, that we are then also able to take each other with us on little journeys to RL, in sharing our experiences and memories
    Pema Pera: second-order immersion
    Bleu Oleander: yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: hmmm, nods
    Pema Pera: story telling around a camp fire is probably one of the oldest human pursuits . . . .
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Maxine Walden: ways of 'being together'
    Pema Pera: and the oldest pictures are found in cave dwellings
    Pema Pera: we have both elements here

    High regard for session space and time, and for conveying silence ...


    Maxine Walden: this is one reason I try to avoid any multi-tasking during these sessions....to be really here as much as I can be
    Pema Pera: yes, me too
    Eliza Madrigal nods @Maxine... that's important for me too... don't *always* live up to it... but do try
    Pema Pera: the silences between sentences appearaing are so many mini meditations
    Maxine Walden: so much conveyed in the silences...
    Eos Amaterasu: that silence crosses the SL/RL boundary
    Pema Pera: the play of words and silence, like tide lands . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Maxine Walden: silence also offers space for evocations
    Pema Pera: a PaB session can feel like a kind of shared meditation: in the middle of periods of relative silence, words and ideas pop up, sometimes your own, sometimes of others :)
    Pema Pera: like waves appearing and subsiding
    Maxine Walden: hi, Riddle
    Riddle Sideways quietly enters late
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Riddle
    Eliza Madrigal waves to Riddle and thinks about the non-intrusiveness of the sound of waves to silence...

    Pema Pera: (I wonder whether chat logs could be made to convey the silences; time markers are a rather stiff way to do so: lines could perhaps be separated by a fraction of an inch for the fraction of a minute that there was silence . . . )
    Pema Pera: ((re: Maxine's response to Eliza))
    Maxine Walden: interesting thought, Pema
    Eliza Madrigal: yes you know I did that with Eden's sharing yesterday... impossible to convey without the space...
    Pema Pera is looking forward to read yesterday afternoon's log !!
    Eliza Madrigal: sense of anticipation
    Eos Amaterasu: I add spaces around ==BELL==
    Maxine Walden: me too
    Eliza Madrigal: forewarning: long session :)
    Bleu Oleander: I look forward to reading it too :)

    Pema Pera: draping ourselves in space . . . in order to convey time
    Maxine Walden: interesting image: 'draping ourselves in space'
    Maxine Walden: but thinking of it, maybe aspects of space are the best visual image of time we have at hand...
    Pema Pera: Does anyone else have a "little bird" to show, like Eliza did with Eden's session yesterday?

    Maxine shares an experience of discussion with colleagues which highlighted tendencies toward guarding the familiar, and in enjoying the way that Maxine and Pema discussed time and space above, I remember that a TSK theme session is upcoming....   


    Maxine Walden: was in a discussion the other day and the tension between holding on to the 'known' vs being open to the new was palpable
    Eliza Madrigal thinks to mention how wonderful it will be for Maxine and Pema to have a theme session on TSK soon :)
    Bleu Oleander: when is that these session?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: 28 of march
    Maxine Walden: 1300 session
    Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Theme_Sessions


    Pema Pera: can you say more about that discussion, Maxine?
    Maxine Walden: hmm, the issue, which I actually brought up, was about clinging to our theories rather than going with direct experience
    Maxine Walden: And while several seemed to nod in agreement about staying open to the new, there was a significant effort to measure everything 'new' according to one's tried and 'true' knowings
    Pema Pera: :)
    Maxine Walden: and I was left feeling the fierceness with which aspects of us all can hold on to 'what I know to be true'
    Pema Pera: cutting the new down to size -- we all have that fundamentalist streak, I'm afraid
    Maxine Walden: often loudly crowding out the quiet space for the new evocations perhaps
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm, yes wow

    Maxine Walden: Interesting, that after the discussion, I felt both very lonely in terms of rather singly holding this space for the new, or so it seemed at the time, but I also felt grateful for the opportunity to do so
    Maxine Walden: Mixed feelings as we try to share some of these perspectives with friends and colleagues
    Bleu Oleander: I can see that I missed a few really interesting sessions this week .... will have a lot of reading to do!

    The process of paradigm shiftings...


    Maxine Walden: I was also holding quietly in mind during that discussion (perhaps defensively) the notion of the paradigm shift
    Riddle Sideways: h widget
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Widget
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Widget :) I'll give you a note
    Widget Whiteberry waves and waits to sit
    Widget Whiteberry: ty, Eliza
    Maxine Walden: and how fiercely it is resisted, until all of a sudden the shift occurs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have to go, bye all :))


    Eos Amaterasu: Analogy the wrong way: "the 'new' is-like 'the old'"; you learn more with "the old is-like the new"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye ssl
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)) bye for now
    Eos Amaterasu: bye ssl, hi ww
    Maxine Walden: say a bit more, Eos?
    Zen Arado: ye Sharon
    Eos Amaterasu: If we say the new is just same-old same-old, we reduce it to the old, and don't learn anything
    Eos Amaterasu: but the new can re-frame the old (post paradigm shift, perhaps?)
    Maxine Walden: ah...yes
    Agatha Macbeth: 'There is nothing new except what has been forgotten'
    Zen Arado: like the 'Epoche'?
    Maxine Walden: :) Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Zen Arado: suspending old beliefs and conditioning
    Zen Arado: Eliza gave me a great lecture about that yesterday
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Bleu Oleander: I think it takes courage and a sense of wonder/awe to open up to the new
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Zen Arado: video lecture
    Pema Pera: a great way to close the circle, Eos!
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, thank you
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye steve
    Zen Arado: bye Steve
    Maxine Walden: bye, Steve
    Agatha Macbeth: Cya Steve
    Eos Amaterasu: bye steve
    Eliza Madrigal waves
    Widget Whiteberry blinks as the 'circle' shifts once again
    Zen Arado: sure does take courage
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Zen Arado: the familiar is hard to disengage from
    Maxine Walden: so like family is the familiar

    Widget shares personal observations...


    Widget Whiteberry: when I am confronted with an opportunity to open up to the new
    Zen Arado: heard a great analogy about that - like a caterpillar trying to walk faster and faster and getting its legs in a tangle , then turning into a butterfly
    Zen Arado: totally new paradigm
    Bleu Oleander: the familiar, the old is like a peaceful state, womb-like, that we feel comfortable being in
    Widget Whiteberry: I find it matters a lot to consider that I'm on a new path where I can't see ahead
    Widget Whiteberry: but need to trust the unfolding experience
    Maxine Walden: yes, Widget
    Widget Whiteberry: not try to name what is going on to quickly
    Pema Pera: yes!
    Maxine Walden: to name may be to freeze

    Yakuzza observes the interconnectedness we often experience in Pab ...

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am often stuck in my view about even my second life use, so i try to get inspiration from many ppl, when we were at zen´s art place bleu mentioned a book she was reading and in that phenomenology book piet was one of the ppl mentioned in the preface so it´s all somehow interconnected :)
    Pema Pera: nice image, Zen!

    And Pema shares 38 years...


    Pema Pera: As a personal footnote to the sense of loneliness that Maxine talked about: For the longest time I've felt lonely in scientific circles, for not being able to share my spiritual interests with friends who were otherwise very playfully exploring; and similarly lonely in spiritual circles, for equally not being able to share my scientific interests in working with working hypotheses and such --

    for full disclosure, you can say that starting PaB was my way of acquiring true friends, interested in both ways of appreciating the world (without necessarily having a spiritual and scientific background: more the openness to both ways of exploring).

    Fael Illyar smiles 'I'd say you succeeded very well with that.'
    Widget Whiteberry considers that Pema may have just held up a lantern
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep. Seems to work :)
    Pema Pera: it took only 38 years to "find the formula" . . . :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Bleu Oleander: a wonderful space of knowing and sharing you have created
    Zen Arado: had to wait for the world to catch up...
    Zen Arado: even if it is a SL world
    Widget Whiteberry: or cast a wide enough net
    Maxine Walden: yes, a very creative outcome

    Then turns attention toward upcoming retreats... 


    Pema Pera: ah, y'all come to RL next month in San Francisco!!
    Bleu Oleander wishes she could!
    Pema Pera: or Nova Scotia in August or Germany in October
    Zen Arado: me too
    Pema Pera: or Miami in January :)
    Zen Arado: N.Ireland ?
    Pema Pera: sure!
    Zen Arado: nice retreat center near me :)
    Pema Pera: the quickest way to get to a RL retreat is to get the others to visit you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Maxine Walden: that'd be very interesting, Zen
    Pema Pera: the mountain meeting Mohammed
    Zen Arado: http://www.drumalis.co.uk/

    :) Retreating in Ireland, Arizona...


    Pema Pera: would you be willing to organize such a retreat, Zen?
    Zen Arado: well - I would assist whatever way you need
    Bleu Oleander: perhaps we could have a session on what is involved in planning a retreat ....
    Pema Pera: I'm sure Eos will pencil you in right now, Zen :)
    Zen Arado: don't know how much organisational ability I have
    Pema Pera: good idea, Bleu!
    Zen Arado: sure be gald to liaise
    Zen Arado: glad
    Widget Whiteberry: consider it a learning experience, Zen
    Widget Whiteberry grins
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Bleu Oleander: I would be willing to help organize an desert/Grand Canyon retreat
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice!
    Pema Pera: great!!
    Maxine Walden: wonderful, Bleu
    Eos Amaterasu: The retreat page has our schedule so far, but some of the slots are still tentative
    Pema Pera: a Grand Canyon retreat called "dropping it all"
    Bleu Oleander: a long way to drop!!
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Widget Whiteberry: 'the long drop'
    Agatha Macbeth grins @ Pem
    Eos Amaterasu: We'll probably have a continental divide retreat at Crestone, Colorado
    Bleu Oleander: nice!

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