2010.07.16 07:00 - Tender Warriors & Being Bellness

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    The Guardian for this often-potent session was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza, joined by Hana, Lucinda, Pema, Eos, Bruce, Ewan, Maxine, a new visitor "Aphrodite" and adoro.  

    First, Time Session participants depart and we begin watching the bell while still lingering with a sense of openness and play ...


    Adams Dubrovna: bye everyone. thank you :)
    Fefonz Quan: bye adams
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye adams
    Hana Furlough: bye adams~
    Eden Haiku: Bye everyone, have a wonderfuljoyful week end!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx, for the session bye everyone who´s leaving
    Riddle Sideways: bye all and thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye to everyone leaving :)
    Darren Islar: bye everyone :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye all :) see you later at Yaku's voice session?
    Pema Pera: busy day today :-)
    Pema Pera: happily busy
    Hana Furlough: goodbye departing everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Always try, Bleu but we'll see how things evolve...
    Pema Pera: Hana, feel free to come to the water :)
    Ewan Bonham: By Hana
    Hana Furlough: thank you
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Great to see you Hana, all well?
    Hana Furlough: yes, eliza, thanks! and you?
    Fefonz Quan: Good bye all, have a wonderful weekend!
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, everything is grand :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Fef
    Pema Pera: and Lucinda, u 2 of course -- joining us at the water front :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Fef, thanks :)
    Hana Furlough: goodbye fef~
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Nice to be here
    Pema Pera: :-)

    Being a tiger...

    Bruce Mowbray: Anyone else who feels like a "tiger" today -- I can give you this free t-shirt (that Pema and I are wearing).
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, cute
    Eos Amaterasu: /eos raises paw
    Pema Pera: many people will think that I'm wearing Princeton colors & Princeton tiger :-)
    Eliza Madrigal grins... me too
    Eliza Madrigal: ty
    Hana Furlough: : )
    Lucinda Lavender: I have a question
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Bruce Mowbray: what is it, Luci?
    Maxine Walden: Bruce would love a tiger shirt, for whem I am feeling tiger-ish
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Lucinda Lavender: the announcement of the bell has completely dissappeared for me
    Maxine Walden: thanks, Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh? strange...
    Pema Pera: it doesn't announce at the start of a session (at 7 am)
    Pema Pera: it will do again at 7:15
    Lucinda Lavender: if anyone has an iea on how I can get it back this would be lovely:)
    Bruce Mowbray: are you hearing it for the 90-sec breaks?
    Eos Amaterasu: the very first bell has no closing bell
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, yes that's right
    Eos Amaterasu: an opening monopole
    Pema Pera: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: nothing///I have to guess when the bell rings
    Pema Pera: there are several other ways
    Lucinda Lavender: good practice
    Pema Pera: 1) the fountain gets misty
    Pema Pera: 2) in the local chat log green lines show up to remind you
    Pema Pera: 3) the bell sounds
    Pema Pera: so you only have to pay attention to one of the three :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: none of these things has been happening :(
    Pema Pera: for how long?
    Pema Pera: only today?
    Eliza Madrigal: How very strange, and yet everything else is okay tech-wise Lucinda?
    Lucinda Lavender: for about 4-5 days
    Eos Amaterasu will observe closely in 6 minutes
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Pema Pera: which browser are you using?
    Pema Pera: viewer I mean
    Bruce Mowbray: Maybe re-loading the V2 viewer might help.
    Lucinda Lavender: I have had to switch back and forth a few times from viewer 1 to two
    Lucinda Lavender: ok maybe reloading from the bottom up
    Pema Pera scratches his head, trying to imagine how a viewer can specifically filter out three very different signals, while leaving the rest intact
    Lucinda Lavender: right now I am in 2
    Lucinda Lavender: well I will continue to ponder it
    Eliza Madrigal: In just a few minutes there will be a pause... in particular that the fountain wouldn't be misty seems odd... so let's see...

    Eos Amaterasu: Next 90 secs: appreciate the presence or absence of signals

    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Hana Furlough: ha!
    Pema Pera: what does the fountain now look like to you, Lucinda?
    Pema Pera: hehehe @ Eos
    Lucinda Lavender: the pink spray and the word recording
    Pema Pera: and also a vertical line of water moving up?
    Eliza Madrigal: (this feels like a pab exploration... "how do you see ___ ?")
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: and a bluish jet of water above that?
    Hana Furlough: lol!
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Lucinda Lavender: no bluish jet
    Bruce Mowbray: I'd be happy to do a one-second dance as a signal, Lucy -- then be still for 89 secs.
    Eos Amaterasu: no water above the pink thingy?
    Pema Pera: no fountain water at all, Lucinda?
    Lucinda Lavender: no water:)
    Pema Pera: so no fountain effectively?
    Lucinda Lavender: right
    Eliza Madrigal giggles... so you agree to be here every time Lucinda signs on Bruce? hehe
    Bruce Mowbray: wow!
    Bruce Mowbray: uhhhh. sorry about that offer, Lucy.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks Bruce...no need really
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Pema Pera: how about now, Luci, did anything change?
    Bruce Mowbray: How can Luci get the fountain back??
    Eos Amaterasu: Storm's probably the best physician to offer a diagnosis
    Lucinda Lavender: no change
    Bruce Mowbray: yep.
    Lucinda Lavender: ok I will ask storm
    Pema Pera: (I typed "/9low" -- is that only for me, or did everybody see the water lower??)


    lucinda_001.jpgEos Amaterasu: viewer discriminates against water element?
    Maxine Walden: went low for me
    Eliza Madrigal saw the water lower
    Bruce Mowbray: I saw the water go down.
    Lucinda Lavender: I will check the preferences
    Eos Amaterasu: Ding!
    Maxine Walden: and the bell, mist etc are apparent
    Lucinda Lavender: should I allow media to auto play?
    Eos Amaterasu: (yes)
    Hana Furlough: all apparent
    Eos Amaterasu: (allow media to auto-play)

    :) The fountain does not discriminate...

    Eliza Madrigal: That shouldn't make a difference I think, to the fountain, etc...
    Eliza Madrigal: but sure :)
    Maxine Walden: have to go all. Nice discussions..
    Eos Amaterasu: What did / didn't you experience, Luci
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye max
    Maxine Walden: bye
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Maxine, thanks :)
    Pema Pera: bye Maxine!
    Hana Furlough: bye maxine and thanks!
    Eos Amaterasu: bye max
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Ewan also :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye ewan
    Lucinda Lavender: no changes experienced
    Eos Amaterasu: bye ewan
    Ewan Bonham: ty all...I will see you all soon...have a peaceful day
    Hana Furlough: you too
    Hana Furlough: bye ewan
    Lucinda Lavender: bye all:) thanks for your help
    Eliza Madrigal: This stopping with a glitch reminds me a little of Pema's report...
    Hana Furlough: bye lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: really?
    Lucinda Lavender: how so?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... a rain comes, everyone pauses....
    Eliza Madrigal: waits and sees.... may go on a long time may go away quickly...
    Lucinda Lavender: I have yet to read the recent reports? yes
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: whatever happens... it is fine...
    Pema Pera: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions/2010%2f%2f07%2f%2f16%3a_Reports
    Eos Amaterasu: Now I don't see a jet of water above the pink bow
    Lucinda Lavender: everything seems to be transforming and who knows
    Eliza Madrigal: Eos, that's because Pema lowered the fountain...
    Lucinda Lavender: ah!
    Eos Amaterasu: now the fish is in its element

    Pema removes the fountain...

    Pema Pera: do you see the water at least, Luci?
    Pema Pera: in the pond?
    Lucinda Lavender: pond is now gone
    Eliza Madrigal: now you are playing games... hehe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: before yes
    Lucinda Lavender: now it is back!
    Pema Pera is in a mischievous mood today
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Hana Furlough: lol!
    Eliza Madrigal: we all must be careful to watch which shirt pema wears
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)

    Lucinda asks a question about Fundamentalism which gets our wheels turning again...

    Lucinda Lavender: I was remembering from last weel Pema...about the word fundamentalism...
    Bruce Mowbray: 4 "elements": air, water, earth, fire (Blub has a preference for Air).
    Pema Pera: yes, Luci?
    Bruce Mowbray: go on, Lucy, please.
    Lucinda Lavender: and it seems long ago now but it interested me
    Pema Pera trying to remember what he said . . .
    Lucinda Lavender: It is in the book...
    Lucinda Lavender: and I will see if I can find it.

    Pema Pera: So we postpone judgment. We observe, we reflect, we explore and experiment, but we don't jump to conclusions. While we do all that, we don't carry along a belief in existence as being fundamental and we don't carry along a belief in appearance as being fundamental. In addition, we don't disbelieve that existance may be fundamental and we don't disbelieve that appearance may be fundamental. In short, we refrain from any fundamentalist attitude, while keeping open the possibility that one or the other of these two fundamentalist attitudes just may be true.

    Pema Pera: in http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/0._Time
    Pema Pera: (I'm talking about the notion of a working hypothesis there, as used in science)
    Lucinda Lavender: Yes!
    Lucinda Lavender: we don't disbelieve that appearance may be fundamental...

    Pema Pera: using a hypothesis while dropping *both* belief and disbelief in what the hypothesis says
    Pema Pera: leaving it really open
    Lucinda Lavender: yes this was interesting to me
    Lucinda Lavender: the working hypothesis
    Hana Furlough: it occurs to me that sometimes you have to try a hypothesis on a bit... and thereby really believe in it
    Hana Furlough: if only for awhile
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Pema Pera: you have to believe that it is worth spending time on testing it
    Pema Pera: without believing that it is true (in which case there would be no need to test!)
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting, wearing a hypothesis...
    Pema Pera: faith in it being worthwhile -- not faith in foregone conclusions
    Hana Furlough: hmmmm.... i find that testing sometimes involves a kind of essential skepticism
    Pema Pera: skepticism is good, denial is very bad
    Pema Pera: like with global warming !
    Eliza Madrigal: so you may have to trust that you 'can' let it go ... before you put it on...
    Hana Furlough: but i think there are things that don't manifest in the face of skepticism

    Bruce Mowbray: In order to "see" magic - one must suspend one's disbelief that magic is not possible. So, "Time as Magic" requires a similar suspension of disbelief, perhaps.

    Pema Pera: (it may depend on how exactly you define "skeptical")
    Hana Furlough: yeah i think that's it
    Pema Pera nods at Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: suspend one's skepticism to see "magic."
    Hana Furlough: nice, bruce
    Lucinda Lavender: I like this idea
    Bruce Mowbray: [beel just rang, Luci.]
    Lucinda Lavender: it is what I think of as play
    Bruce Mowbray: bell.
    Lucinda Lavender: oops
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Pema Pera: many people calling themselves skeptical use it as a kind of police badge: here I am ready to clobber your silly creeds . . . but that is not true skepticism, as I understand it -- but I'm happy to use a different word
    Bruce Mowbray: OK now.
    Hana Furlough: ha! gotcha, pema
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Hana Furlough: i was just thinking of the problems of cartesian skepticism
    Pema Pera: perhaps better to avoid the S word :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I have "doubts" about Cartesian doubting.
    Hana Furlough: it's not the word, but what's been done with it
    Hana Furlough: we can rehabilitate it here!
    Pema Pera: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Hana Furlough: : ) me too
    Pema Pera: as for the use of a working hypothesis, Lucinda, does that appeal to you?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: to me also, very much. Very well stated in the Intro, Pema.

    Lucinda Lavender: I think that I have had those dreaming ahead experiences ...
    Lucinda Lavender: and that a whole world of ideas opened up for me because of that..
    Lucinda Lavender: so I have a cautious ness about some ideas but also an openess

    Pema Pera: cautious and open go very well together
    Bruce Mowbray: I think that in order to understand the fundamentalist mind-set one has to "be there" with fundamentalists for a while.
    Pema Pera: rushing and open ain't so good . . . .
    Hana Furlough: agreed
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Pema Pera: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: That way of "framing" one's experience is present in EVERY religion, political system, and mental discipline - including science, of course.
    Lucinda Lavender: with rushing I forget things sometimes
    Bruce Mowbray: It shocked me when I first encountered fundamentalist Buddhists -- so contradictory, I thought -- Then I reqalized that I was being a fundie by seeing them in that way, myself.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: I personally prefer working with hypthesis rather than dogma, but if somebody else lives a happy and deep live based on dogma, why not? As long as they don't use their dogma to hit others with, that's often the rub
    Lucinda Lavender: yes!
    Eliza Madrigal:

    Would You Think It Odd?
    "I am in love with every church
    And mosque

    And temple
    And any kind of shrine

    Because I know it is there
    That people say the different names
    Of the One God.”

    Would you tell your friends
    I was a bit strange if I admitted

    I am indeed in love with every mind
    And heart and body.

    O I am sincerely
    Plumb crazy
    About your every thought and yearning
    And limb
    Because, my dear,
    I know
    That it is through these

    That you search for Him

    Source: 'I heard God Laughing - Renderings of Hafiz' by Daniel Ladinsky

    Hana Furlough: nice!
    Pema Pera: clap clap clap !!
    Lucinda Lavender: lovely
    Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for sharing that.
    Eliza Madrigal: This came up in a conversation with my daughter yesterday... about *really* appreciating the faith of others... not just lip service...
    Bruce Mowbray: equanimity.

    Pema Pera: fundamentalism may also be a phase to go through -- like using scaffolding to build a house
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: GOOD analogy!
    Pema Pera: I used to be quite strict when I became a vegetarian at age 18 . . .
    Lucinda Lavender: ah! dreams about scaffolding...
    Pema Pera: yes, Lucinda?
    Lucinda Lavender: just remembering
    Bruce Mowbray: I'm a fundamentalist on matters of peace. . . (quite irrational about it, actually).
    Eliza Madrigal: violently peaceful?
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Hana Furlough: : )
    Bruce Mowbray: Nope -- just emphatic and War is NOT the answer -- to ANY question.
    Bruce Mowbray: I will change my t-shirt now.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: :)

    Lucinda Lavender: bell is on it's way...
    Eliza Madrigal: isn't that always so....
    Bruce Mowbray: 3 mins.
    Eliza Madrigal giggles

    Lucinda Lavender: we be things and we do things too...
    Bruce Mowbray: and we have things.
    Hana Furlough: and i should get going
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe you do peace
    Hana Furlough: thanks everyone for all the good cheer
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Hana!
    Hana Furlough: happy weekend!
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Hana, nice to see you
    Bruce Mowbray: u 2!
    Lucinda Lavender: :) Hana
    Eliza Madrigal: So nice to see you Hana, Happy weekend to you as well
    Pema Pera: bye Hana!


    Bruce Mowbray: "Time is no bag of marbles bound tight by plans or fears. Time is a variagated shooter (marble) oblivious to all thumbs' anxious proddings."
    Bruce Mowbray: (should have said that an hour ago!)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Bruce Mowbray thinks: I must still be in the marble bag, then.
    Pema Pera: bye everybody!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema, thanks... nice sessions today!
    Lucinda Lavender: Thanks everyone...:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
    Pema Pera: nice long session :-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Be well, Pema. THANK YOU!
    Pema Pera: thank you all !
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, time for you to go too, Lucinda? Bye for now... hope the bell issues are solved soon :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Is the voice session in the PuB?
    Lucinda Lavender: I just have to be bellness I guess...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no here in the circle

    A new visitor and friend...

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aphrodite, Welcome to Play as Being :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi there, Aph!
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, right Ya :)))
    Eos Amaterasu: HI Venus!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Good morning
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it goes seamless over into my guardian session
    Bruce Mowbray: You're welcome to pitch your tent in the front row if you like.
    Aphrodite Macbain: People rarely call me by my other name Eos. Hello
    Lucinda Lavender: yes, bye for now:)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Aphrodite, have you been to play as being before?
    Bruce Mowbray: [Blub eyes Aph's seahorse.]
    Aphrodite Macbain: Only very briefly. I hear wonderful things about it.
    Eliza Madrigal: I need to let you know that we record our sessions. Is it okay to include your comments? If not I'll just edit... no worries :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that's nice to know re nice things :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, that's fine with me
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: We normally have four sessions a day...
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: On Fridays though, the day is full... an early session (on "Time"), then this one... then a voice session...
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm afraid I've arrived in the middle of one
    Eliza Madrigal: That's perfectly fine :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: What were you all discussing?
    Eliza Madrigal: What are your interests if I may ask? We mostly try to discuss the nature of reality.. and pause together a few times an hour...

    Aphrodite Macbain: Hmm. I'm afraid they are too broad to summarize. I've had some great conversations with Bruce about what reality is and where our identity is located
    Eos Amaterasu listens
    Bruce Mowbray: we were also discussing "fundamentalism" as a "frame" of mind.
    Aphrodite Macbain: My main interests in RL are community building through the arts - through collective creativity
    Eliza Madrigal: The general idea of pausing together ... is to loosen our grip on what we think we have/do (so yes, identity!) ... to allow 'what we are' to shine... to Be :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah!
    Bruce Mowbray: Being seeing!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Being in the present
    Eliza Madrigal: collective creativity... wonderful
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-) yep.
    Bruce Mowbray: [bell coming in one minutes]
    Aphrodite Macbain: it's where we may all be connected
    Eliza Madrigal: If we're not so wrapped up in our individual identities we collaborate better... more easily with 'others'
    Eliza Madrigal: Being creative :)
    Bruce Mowbray: "sharing" Being.
    Aphrodite Macbain: absolutely.


    Eliza Madrigal: Hi adoro :)
    adoro Rhapsody: hi all
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, adoro!
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh... thought that the first bell of the hour didn't end...
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe just first bell of the session :)
    Eos Amaterasu: First bell of new session doesn't end
    Aphrodite Macbain: when you say sharing being do you mean a STATE of being that is open to others Bruce?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) I'm learning so much today
    Eliza Madrigal: yes interesting question...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am leaving, bye for now everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx for the sessions
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    adoro Rhapsody: bye
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Ya and Eos :) Thanks
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Yak, I'll try to make the voice sessionlater

    Bruce Mowbray: I'm a bit mystical with it, Aph. I want to "believe" that all Beings share Being with all other Beings - - - so oak, and squirril, and seahourse, and fish all shaqre Being.

    Eos Amaterasu: Thanks gang,sorry to leave so soon, Aphrodite and Adoro
    Aphrodite Macbain: Do you have voice sessions as well?
    Eliza Madrigal smiles @ Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Eos!
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes at 12PM SLT no Fridays, Aphrodite
    Aphrodite Macbain: no Fridays or on Fridays?
    Eliza Madrigal: That was an idea of Yakuzza's, and is great...
    Eliza Madrigal: *on
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Bruce Mowbray: here?
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks:-)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: cool!
    Eliza Madrigal: Following that session, is a regular one...
    Aphrodite Macbain: Haha
    Aphrodite Macbain: wonderful
    Eliza Madrigal: Friday's 'regular' session tends to be a party session...
    Eliza Madrigal: people celebrating the end of the work week, etc :)
    Eliza Madrigal: or at least it is often sillier than some others :) Dancing and such...
    Bruce Mowbray: Having been retired for several years, I love to party at the end of the work week!
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Eliza Madrigal: me too
    Aphrodite Macbain: Me too, but it only lasts till 10PM
    Eliza Madrigal: not retired... but am all for letting my hair down and being silly sometimes :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: part of the creative process
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed
    Aphrodite Macbain: being silly
    Eliza Madrigal: Is there more you might say about your rl creative work Aphrodite?
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, Aph, please say more.
    Aphrodite Macbain: role playing is a great means of discovering another part of yourself
    Aphrodite Macbain: We are only three now. I always seem to arrive at the end of a session
    Eliza Madrigal: :) sometimes it takes a while to note the times and such
    Eliza Madrigal: I agree, re role playing... SL is quite the medium for playing in that way...
    Eliza Madrigal: one can loosen identifications with appearances to be able to see the waters more clearly.... dive in and out of them...
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. I have just transformed myself from a a Spartan warrior!
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    Eliza Madrigal: how fun :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I didn't really like myself
    Bruce Mowbray: [Blub likes the diving in and out of waters.]
    Aphrodite Macbain: the armour is too heavy
    Eliza Madrigal: wb adoro :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Welcome back, adoro!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Nice metaphor, no?
    adoro Rhapsody: my pc went stuck
    Eliza Madrigal: Aphrodite... but you got to try it on... yes a wonderful metaphor
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: you had closer experience than you might have had otherwise
    Aphrodite Macbain: are you now unstuck?
    adoro Rhapsody: happy again
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Warrior Peacemakers... Contradiction in terms?

    Aphrodite Macbain: It was funny because I became very self conscious? I couldn't visit the Peacekeepers site because I was dressed as a warrior
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah... funny, but also fascinating
    adoro Rhapsody: i see
    Eliza Madrigal: we hardly notice the judgements we make...
    adoro Rhapsody: tai chi was based on war dances
    Eliza Madrigal: was it?
    adoro Rhapsody: i heard somewhere
    Eliza Madrigal: There is something to this idea... peaceful warriors....
    Eliza Madrigal: not as in gaining 'new' ground.... but a sure stance that is peaceful
    adoro Rhapsody: maybe priests are so
    Eliza Madrigal: inherently
    Eliza Madrigal: and bringing that out
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes interesting
    adoro Rhapsody: or monks or jesuits
    adoro Rhapsody: hard on the outside soft on the inside
    Eliza Madrigal: letting Being slice through dualities that cause conflict....
    adoro Rhapsody: indeed


    adoro Rhapsody: that makes more complete decisions
    adoro Rhapsody: do u know if this pab is also in weekend ?
    Eliza Madrigal: PaB is every day... every 6 hours :)
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: 1,7,1,7
    Eliza Madrigal: Of course, not always the same people... a different feel to each session each time :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: warriors need courage go go into unfamiliar territorywarriors have to have courage to enter new and unfamiliar territories
    Bruce Mowbray: [crashed - returned]
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: wb Bruce & Blub :)
    adoro Rhapsody: its 1600 and 2200 here in evening and 4 and 10 am
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, me too adoro... east coast US?
    adoro Rhapsody: europe
    adoro Rhapsody: holland
    Bruce Mowbray: east coast: 11:17 a.m.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :) yes Bruce, now :)
    Bruce Mowbray: 11:18
    Aphrodite Macbain: 8:18 AM for me!
    adoro Rhapsody: 17.18 here
    Eliza Madrigal: You're comments re confidence to go to new places... yes... its much like what we were discussing earlier re identifications and time
    adoro Rhapsody: almost dinner time
    Eliza Madrigal: memories, etc
    Eliza Madrigal: dinner at 8:18AM?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I was thinking how I could be a warior without the violence
    Aphrodite Macbain: warrior
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    adoro Rhapsody: is here 17.19 pm
    Bruce Mowbray: good thought! a peaceful warrior.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah yes :)
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: Funny the full circle our conversation has taken :)

    Bruce Mowbray: In the Shambhala Tibetan tradition, the warrior is always peaceful.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what are his/her attributes? what makes him/her a warrior apart from courage?
    adoro Rhapsody: right
    Eliza Madrigal: hm... perhaps unstickiness...
    Aphrodite Macbain: unstickiness?
    Bruce Mowbray: softness, receptivity, being in the moment, connected to Basic Goodness and to "Windhorse" energy.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... the ability not to get stuck
    Bruce Mowbray: softness and tenderness.
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm, yes
    adoro Rhapsody: respectful
    Bruce Mowbray: yes. honoring all.
    Eliza Madrigal: tender, well-mannered warriors... respect for subtleties...
    Bruce Mowbray: yes. Does that sound "Spartan" to you, Aph?
    Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm.the role of a warrior is always to fight. how d these aspects help? and what is a peaceful warrior fighting for?
    Eliza Madrigal: He is standing strong perhaps, in a gesture that the battle is won already
    Eliza Madrigal: ty Bruce :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: no, not at all spartan. but Spartan warriors DID require less "stuff" and kept their existence simple
    Aphrodite Macbain: the battle is never won I'm afraid
    Bruce Mowbray: The Shambhala warrior does not fight.
    Aphrodite Macbain: then why is he called a warrior?
    Eliza Madrigal: in a stance of starting at the end...
    Aphrodite Macbain: she
    adoro Rhapsody: he /she dont have to fight
    Bruce Mowbray: He/she has already won the "battle" -- therfore no fighting.
    Aphrodite Macbain: the definition of warrior is someone who makes war....
    Aphrodite Macbain: no way around that
    adoro Rhapsody: thats is western definition
    Aphrodite Macbain: maybe there are different ways of fighting
    Eliza Madrigal: no way around words in general.... but we can open them :)
    adoro Rhapsody: sponsored by war industry
    adoro Rhapsody: this peace is made possible by lÓreal because u r worth it

    Bruce Mowbray: Thoroughly knowing our fear - we come to fearlessness. The warrior is fearless.

    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, but you're missing my point. There is something about the words warrior or soldier when used in an ambiguous context that is in line with peaceful ends
    adoro Rhapsody: ok
    adoro Rhapsody: i see
    Bruce Mowbray: yes.
    Eliza Madrigal listening...
    Aphrodite Macbain: What elements of warriordom work for us
    Bruce Mowbray: Martin Luther King was a "warrior" -- but never fought.
    Eliza Madrigal: moment to moment responsiveness
    Eliza Madrigal: instancy
    Aphrodite Macbain: so what was there about MLK that was warrior-like?
    Bruce Mowbray: connecting with Basic Goodness.
    Bruce Mowbray: courage.
    adoro Rhapsody: fighting for the poor
    Bruce Mowbray: perkiness.
    Bruce Mowbray: outrageousness.
    Eliza Madrigal: perkiness? :))
    Bruce Mowbray: confidence.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes! and focus
    Eliza Madrigal: but not contrived focus... like a 'do'ing...
    Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm maybe perkiness tho I wouldn't have described MLK as perky
    Eliza Madrigal: that would seem to miss the point as well... it has to do with what one 'is'
    Bruce Mowbray: perkiness -- full of evergy and openness.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :) i like that....
    Eliza Madrigal: vigor
    Bruce Mowbray: energy.
    Aphrodite Macbain: OK
    adoro Rhapsody: wow how deeply thought of
    Aphrodite Macbain: Socratic method pulls out lots of good stuff!
    adoro Rhapsody: indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: A wise pab guardian often says "you can't do it (whatever it is), but what you are in a larger sense can." which is like a mantra for me...
    adoro Rhapsody: Plato knew that already
    Eliza Madrigal: Such a great conversation but I have to be going, but will post the log soon
    Bruce Mowbray: When I refused to fight in the Viet Nam War - in the 1960's - I had to develop "warrior" qualities so as to be a pacifist.
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    adoro Rhapsody: i can imagine
    Aphrodite Macbain: so peaceful a warrior has energy, focu s courage, vigour, and perkiness
    Bruce Mowbray: [bell]
    Aphrodite Macbain: courage of one's convictions and the willingness to act out of them comes at the top of my list
    Aphrodite Macbain: of warrior attributes
    Eliza Madrigal: truly a pleasure to meet you Aphrodite, and hope to see you again
    adoro Rhapsody: me too
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Bruce, adoro :) I'll post the session at http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Eliza -- and THANKS!
    Aphrodite Macbain: the same Eliza. Hope I'll see you again
    adoro Rhapsody: great
    adoro Rhapsody: hope so too
    Eliza Madrigal: To find it, look for something with the word 'warrior' in the title I'm sure
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: TY
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: or of course the date will do. hah :) bye for now
    Aphrodite Macbain: hah haa be brave!
    Eliza Madrigal: You too :))

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