2010.08.29 08:00 - Guardian Session: Tips for New Hosts?

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    There were fourteen guardians present for this week's session: Adams Rubble : Aphrodite Macbain : Bleu Oleander : Bruce Mowbray : Eden Haiku : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Ewan Bonham : Lucinda Lavender : Maxine Walden : Paradise Tennant : Yakuzza Lethecus : Zen Arado : stevenaia Michinaga. Session posted by Eliza.

    This guardian session centered around the experiences of new guardians for PlayasBeing. It was about posting chat logs mostly, and the areas we find most confusion in generally. 

    A few questions left dangling had to do with differences in viewers and in text editors.

    As you can also see (thanks Steve for posting the picture of the balloons!) we celebrated the birthday of our much loved and appreciated Poet, Eden Haiku, too :)

    (More hello's are posted at the bottom of the log)

    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Ewan.
    Eliza Madrigal: Wonderful to see everyone piling in!
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Maxine
    Maxine Walden: hi everyone, sorry, trying to sit down is taking all my attention right now :))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ewan
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh Maxine
    Aphrodite Macbain: someone took picture
    Zen Arado: Hi everyone
    Maxine Walden: ah...
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Zen, Maxine
    Ewan Bonham: Hi folks
    Birthday Balloon Drop ~Pastels: Preparing To Drop!
    Birthday Balloon Drop ~Pastels: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! LET'S PARTY!
    Eliza Madrigal: Before we get too settled in..
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves to Adams and AphroditeSnapshot_001.png
    Eliza Madrigal: happy birthday eden!! :D
    Bruce Mowbray: BALLOONS!
    Eden Haiku: oh wow!!!
    Eos Amaterasu: hapy b'day!
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Zen Arado: bon fete EDen
    Lucinda Lavender: :)))
    Bruce Mowbray: Happy Birthday, Eden!
    Maxine Walden: ah,!!! Happy day, Eden
    Eden Haiku: Oh nice!!! Thanks!
    Zen Arado: or is it bonne Anniversaire?
    Lucinda Lavender: Happy Birthday Eden:)!
    Adams Rubble: Happy Birthday eden
    Ewan Bonham: The best to you, Eden!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Happy birthday!! You haven't aged a bit

    At various points during the session, Adams exuded galaxies, what looked like baloons, fireworks, and more!

    Eliza Madrigal: :)) adams is exuding balloons for you now too...
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    Eden Haiku: blushing, really enjoy the baloons and the wishes,
    Zen Arado: we don't age in SL
    Eden Haiku: ;)
    Adams Rubble: we can age in SL
    stevenaia Michinaga: on the contrary, we get younger
    Eliza Madrigal: younger and wiser...
    Ewan Bonham: lol...yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: I suppose another form of aging
    Eden Haiku: Am here as one of the "elders" to help the new guardians this morning :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, Eliza
    Adams Rubble: timelessness
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: you can help me Eden :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Eden, and everyone. Wonderful that so many made it
    Adams Rubble: until the computer crashes anyway
    Eden Haiku: ;)
    Maxine Walden: these varying realities...
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, and as one of the Sr (in duration) members here I ahve been having all sorts of problems posting my logs recently
    stevenaia Michinaga: I sould be reading Wol's instructions more clearly
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, let's start there then... Steven as mentor coordinator having issues?
    Maxine Walden: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Zen Arado: bad sign for the rest of us
    Bruce Mowbray: What sorts of problems, steve?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Well, we have instructions on the wiki but they do need to be updated. I'm sure that I needed direct help the first few times (thanks adams)
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes, depending on how much cleaning up of the log I do, when I paste the teste from a text editor into the wiki log nothing appears
    Zen Arado: it's a lot easier to post direct from a browser I find
    stevenaia Michinaga: usually directly from the web log to the wiki log works fine
    Eos Amaterasu: I've noticed that too
    Bleu Oleander: I find it easier to copy and paste the log as is first and then edit it
    Zen Arado: text editors seem to introduce problems
    stevenaia Michinaga: so I mess around until I get it ... somehow
    Eos Amaterasu: what works in that case is to use the Copy button that's part of the toolbar
    stevenaia Michinaga: except the wiki has no spellcheck
    Eos Amaterasu: "T" paste as plain text
    Eliza Madrigal: I go directly from the chat log, which is sent to me, to the wiki
    Bleu Oleander: there's always a dictionary
    stevenaia Michinaga: awww, copy text button
    Eliza Madrigal: then I change things before saving

    Adams Rubble: I do all my editing on the Wiki but I have learned it is best to save it again and again if one is doing major editing

    Bruce Mowbray: I edit (correct spellings, etc.) in Word Perfect, then copy and paste into the wiki.
    Bleu Oleander: agree with Eliza
    Eos Amaterasu: Word Perfect!

    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm already confused

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, saving chenges immediately is helpful, them edit the text
    Eliza Madrigal: I figure that we are all so international that spell check and typo correction is mostly silly
    Zen Arado: yes Adams - if you take too long it goes wrong I find
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, we don't want to lose the SL body language
    Bruce Mowbray: No worries, Aph. We will walk you through it step by step.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: Aphrodite, when you do your first session, I can make myself available to assist you when posting
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay... let's back up... and begin

    Eos Amaterasu: I have a general hint about creating pages
    stevenaia Michinaga: listens
    Eos Amaterasu: this is the nutshell
    Aphrodite Macbain: I tried to log in but couldn't. I used my login name and pwd for SL but it didn't work
    Eos Amaterasu: every page is a child with a parent
    Eos Amaterasu: so to create a new page
    Eos Amaterasu: you first go to its (future) parent page
    Eos Amaterasu: and click the New Page button there
    Eos Amaterasu: then the newly created page hangs off its parent
    stevenaia Michinaga: (the month)
    Eos Amaterasu: (mommmy.....)
    Eliza Madrigal nods

    Zen Arado: lost me already :(
    Eden Haiku: Today parent page would be logs then 2010 then 08
    Maxine Walden: :) for Eos' imagery...
    Lucinda Lavender: :) yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Aph, you may not be added into the wiki yet... might be a delay on that. It isn't the same as SL group
    Bruce Mowbray thinks: GOOD explanation, Eos!
    Eliza Madrigal: Some who do that have had computer issues and Cal is traveling for a few days, but we'll fix it :)
    Zen Arado: how do you know its future parent page?
    stevenaia Michinaga: if you have skype w/ screen share on it is easy to guide you for the first one or two time
    Eos Amaterasu: BTW to create or edit pages you must be logged in to the Wiki
    Aphrodite Macbain: so I have to wait until someone gives me this info?
    Aphrodite Macbain: the login info
    Eliza Madrigal: yes it will come to you via email, a wiki password
    Ewan Bonham: I was not able to log into the Wiki.
    Aphrodite Macbain: OK great/
    Eliza Madrigal: Ewan but you are now, right?
    Bruce Mowbray: Ewan also needs a password, then.
    Eliza Madrigal: I remember that there were plumbing issues before...
    Eos Amaterasu: anybody in the world can read pages on the wiki, but only guardians can create or edit pages - they have logins to the wiki
    Ewan Bonham: I tried the one given me...still did not work..
    Aphrodite Macbain: plumbing issues?!
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, thank you Eos ... exactly
    stevenaia Michinaga: is my PaB watch distracting? anyone want a copy?

    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Aph... basically a lag in the time between adding to SL group/email, and the wiki

    Bruce Mowbray: Did you also include the "*" on either side of your PW, Ewan?
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice metaphor
    Eden Haiku: oh that is what we heard Steve? I like it!
    Eliza Madrigal: It is good to note that here, as something to pay closer attentin to
    Eos Amaterasu: All the August logs have the same parent page: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2010/08
    Ewan Bonham: I can try that again..
    Zen Arado: ok
    Play as being Watch  v1.1 for woman will ring next in 13 minutes 9 seconds.
    Aphrodite Macbain: woman?
    Eden Haiku: Thanks for the watch Steve.
    Zen Arado: have you got a men's version?
    Eliza Madrigal: Right. To post a log, one goes to the wiki --->Chat Logs--->year---> month--->new page
    Eos Amaterasu: When you create a new page, the very first line, at the top, will be used to help make up the URL for the page after you save it
    Eos Amaterasu: For example, the latest August log:
    Eos Amaterasu: 2010.08.28 13:00 - All's Mellow at PaB's Fountain of Youth
    Play as being Watch  v1.1 for woman will ring next in 11 minutes 34 seconds.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, that's clear Eliza! First step to create a page,
    Eliza Madrigal: It is a good tip to make sure you've got the title right before saving, too... as this will save an extra step of page moving

    Lucinda Lavender: this is the point I get confused...

    Aphrodite Macbain: I enjoyed All's Mellow
    Eos Amaterasu: The chat logger automatically inserts that the date part at the very top of the log
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: but
    Eden Haiku: Always best to wait at the very end before saving anything.

    Eos Amaterasu: what I do is to first read the log, and then decide on a title for it, which I then add to that top line

    stevenaia Michinaga: it can be trying, but try not to get frustrated, ask for assistance
    Eliza Madrigal: you must paste one at a time... meaning, don't paste the whole thing with title at first
    Eliza Madrigal: title, then the body of text....
    stevenaia Michinaga: awww, nice point , Elize (will try that)
    Eliza Madrigal: or visa versa, but the font is different

    Zen Arado: I usually paste the whole session from the browser and cut and paste the title from the top line - less chance of typing title line wrong then

    Eden Haiku: What I do is I paste the log as I received it (after correcting in Text)
    Eos Amaterasu does approx what Zen does
    Eliza Madrigal: HI Paradise :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I think I do what Zen does

    Eliza Madrigal: It sounds very complicated, but after a few times very simple

    Paradise Tennant: smiles all round my apologies for being late :)
    Zen Arado: Hi Paeadise
    Bleu Oleander: hi Paradise
    Eliza Madrigal: I don't use an external editor, just to avoid my own confusion
    Adams Rubble: hello again Paradies
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Aphrodite Macbain: Can we make commets on what is being said in the chat?

    Lucinda Lavender: when I see the message that it cannot be edited on the right side I get confused

    stevenaia Michinaga: to start, yes, keep it simple
    Ewan Bonham: Is it possible the first time or two , we can so-lead and then walk thru the posting/
    Aphrodite Macbain: comments
    Eden Haiku: The title is at the top, automatically. Then I copy the 2010.08.29 on Title line, add my title. And then I erase the next line (with the title from autologger )

    Eliza Madrigal: Aphrodite, yes....
    Eos Amaterasu: You might notice in the Wiki editor that at top right of the very top line it says "title"
    Eos Amaterasu: that means it's using the "title" style for that line
    Eliza Madrigal: Once you paste the chat text on the wiki, you can comment before saving
    Eos Amaterasu: (probably this is too much info)
    Eliza Madrigal: (@Aphrodite)
    Eos Amaterasu: and of course you can save, and then edit again

    Ewan Bonham: For, me it would would be much easier if I could walk it through with someone..
    Eos Amaterasu: Use "Undo"... :-)
    Eden Haiku: Yes, we might be confusing you guys more than helping here actually...
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes... not sure this is going to be a guide for new guardians yet... haha
    Eliza Madrigal: Ewan, absolutely :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Even after walking through, it is good to have a page to refer to
    Eliza Madrigal: which this will be helpful for I think

    stevenaia Michinaga: doing works better as a learing tool than listening sometimes (like homework)

    Eliza Madrigal: because so far we've talked about places we tend to get tripped up
    Lucinda Lavender: each time I try it takes several tries and then it is on...
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: me too Lucinda
    Zen Arado: Agree Steve
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is there anythig actully written down? already

    Eliza Madrigal: So let's talk about the actual hosting of sessions

    Eden Haiku: Yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, on the wiki
    Zen Arado: it's a bit out of date though
    Eliza Madrigal: Aphrodite, yes... and Zen is right. It needs cleaning
    Aphrodite Macbain: sessions on the wiki?
    Zen Arado: it talks about removing time stamps and such and that's not necessary any more
    Eliza Madrigal: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Information
    Eliza Madrigal: right @ Zen
    Aphrodite Macbain: Are there discussions on wiki? I read Pema's beautiful email and wondered
    Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Information/Guardian_Tutorial/Meeting_Log_Posting_Tutorial needs reviewing?
    Eliza Madrigal: The auto-listener made the process MUCH easier than is suggested by the wiki guide

    Stevenaia Michinaga: on to hosting... I have a comment that has been discussed before and offer it as a suggestion
    Bleu Oleander: it might be good to pair an "experienced" guardian with a new guardian at first
    Bleu Oleander: for "on the job" training
    Ewan Bonham: Good idea Bleu
    Lucinda Lavender: nice idea Bleu
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Aphrodite Macbain: the auto-listener has it's role other than to reord?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, a good idea
    Bleu Oleander: someone in their time zone or close
    Lucinda Lavender: I have had the benefit of Cal's expertise...

    Eliza Madrigal: I have a template 'in progress' for new hosts of sessions. This is somewhat helpful, but cannot replace one on one help:


    Aphrodite Macbain: that would be great.. Could two be in the same site together at the same time?r
    Zen Arado: great Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, Steve is the mentor coordinator officially, but any guardian would help when present
    Lucinda Lavender: but do not want to be a bother
    Eden Haiku: Sure Aph. You can come to my session tomorrow 7 SLT and we can co-host if you like.
    stevenaia Michinaga: also
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Information/Guardian_Tips_for_Hosting_Meetings
    Eliza Madrigal: For instance, I can be available for you Ewan, because we are in the same sessions often...
    Eliza Madrigal: and also Gaya, since you will be stepping in for her session once a month

    Zen Arado: bother? would be glad to see anyone at my 1 am session

    Eos Amaterasu: By the way, to claim the log when you're at the fountain
    Ewan Bonham: Thank you, Eliza!
    Aphrodite Macbain: That would be nice to share hosting- but I would need most help with the posting
    Eos Amaterasu: click (not right-click) the base of the fountain, or thereabouts
    Lucinda Lavender: oh!
    Lucinda Lavender: this must be important
    Eden Haiku: You will need the password before posting anyway Aphrodite, That could be a later step.
    Aphrodite Macbain: what will that do?

    Adams Rubble notes that on the subject of sharing hosting that all gauardians can help other guardians at times if needed

    Lucinda Lavender: what happens with the rt click as opposed to the click?
    Eos Amaterasu: I just noticed that to get the dialog asking if yoiu want to claim the log,
    Eden Haiku: A marine monster jumps in?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, thank you Adams. Every guardian is happy to help I'm sure
    Eos Amaterasu: clicking works (for me), but right-clicking does not

    Eliza Madrigal: to have help posting logs, one might use something like skype, google IM, or just signing on to SL at the same time
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes anyone who is online you can go to the playasbeing group and see who is available :) if they are not by chance on your friends list already
    Lucinda Lavender: yes that is what I usually do...

    Eos Amaterasu: Also, you can be watching the same page someone else is editing
    Eden Haiku: Too bad we dont'have a fountain here to pratice the claiming part :))
    Eos Amaterasu: just as long as the person editing is saving often
    Eos Amaterasu: so you can see her/his changes

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, true
    stevenaia Michinaga: just touch the fountain and the menu to cleam will appear
    Eos Amaterasu: you can practice clicking on anything
    Lucinda Lavender: yes cal has helped me by watching before
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu just clicked on the tatami mat
    stevenaia Michinaga: you can try it in anyone session to see who has claimed it as well
    Eos Amaterasu: nothing happened
    stevenaia Michinaga: *claim
    Aphrodite Macbain: Eos, where are you. There isn't a fountain here is there?

    Eliza Madrigal: When I think about what most trips me up, I think posting the log in the wrong place is one... or not getting the title spacing correct

    Eos Amaterasu: I am here
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: It is important to check just after saving,that the chat is in the right place

    Lucinda Lavender: yes I have done those things Eliza
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, elize, an emergency call to Wol is needed for me sometimes
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh whenyou sad nothing happened Eos, I thought you were trying right now
    Eliza Madrigal: by going to the chat logs list

    Paradise Tennant: the chat logs really add a kind of connectedness and continuity to this community ..they really help make it a community so .. while I am sure to a new guardian it seems complicated but so well worth the effort in the long run there are such good thoughts expressed at our sessions :)

    Eliza Madrigal: I very often sign on in the morning to move pages (that are) out of place actually
    Aphrodite Macbain: You move pages into place?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at eliza sure her pages have tumbed into the wrong spot more than once
    stevenaia Michinaga: (hoping they are not mine)
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes they are mine Steve!
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: That's my point.. easy to do
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: I had a big problem getting my log to appear in the right place and then Steve helped me by pointing out that the person before me on the list had posted their log incorrectly

    Eliza Madrigal: especially if tired or hurrying.... so there are little 'goings back' that are kind...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, we can step on one another's wiki toes too... however unintentionally
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh

    Lucinda Lavender: interesting that in the process of transfering the chat parts of my awareness of what I am doing shut down...
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, that's a housekeeping issue we sometimes need to do Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: you mean gear switching trouble Lucinda?
    Eden Haiku: Yes, Eliza, you are very good at moving logs, thanks for that :))
    Eos Amaterasu: strong muscles

    Aphrodite Macbain: In his last email Pema said: We are currently using three different media: wiki, email, chat sessions.
    Each of those have their own dynamics. In my experience:

    What is the difference between the chat discussion and the wiki one

    Paradise Tennant: smiles and says a big thank you to eilza :)
    Eden Haiku: yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: most welcome... its a persnickety thing perhaps... I love the way the titles look all lined up nicely
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Maxine Walden: :), Eos, moving logs takes muscles!
    Eliza Madrigal: the titles themselves are like poems
    Paradise Tennant: smiles thear are indeed
    Eden Haiku: True and so intriguing...
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes it talkes me longer to name a session than to post and edit it
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: I think chats means PaB SL session chats and their logs on the wikis
    Lucinda Lavender: I think when you only partially understand what is required to transfer then the spacing etc is kind of another detail to get right
    Eos Amaterasu: whereas "wiki" means wiki pages (co-)created
    Eden Haiku: Still did'nt find time to read the one about "iguana" or something....
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, true Lucinda
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Eden and winks at Paradise
    Aphrodite Macbain: but the wiki pages are a recording of the chats so why did he separate them?
    Paradise Tennant: smiles in a slightly land mamal kind of way :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, well there is a separate area for the time discussions taking place Aph
    Zen Arado: is it wrong to introduce topics? I get the impression Pema was intimating that?
    Eos Amaterasu: I read it as chats = "session chats, plus their logs", whereas wiki pages meant more like the time reports submitted by people
    Eos Amaterasu: or book chapters
    Aphrodite Macbain: which land mamal are we talking about Paradise?
    Eden Haiku: Picturing Paradise as a cute iguana :)
    Eliza Madrigal: and I think Pema is refering to that... and also the guardians contributions pages
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ eOS
    Paradise Tennant: sorry that would be a reptile kind of grin :)

    Eos Amaterasu: the quality of conversation and dialog is different in each "realm"

    Eden Haiku: I like the way Riddle introduces topics and pretends he is SO attached to them in his comments. It lightens to whole thing!

    Aphrodite Macbain: I am not familiar with these time reports, I guess I haven't found them but a most interested in them haven't found them
    Eliza Madrigal: So we have wiki chat logs, wiki discussions and book chapters, wiki contributions and records of rl meetings...
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes they are a little embedded Aphrodite, under "Pab books"
    Eliza Madrigal: let me get a link
    Eliza Madrigal: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books
    Eden Haiku: The Time reports are very difficult to find in the wiki yes, it takes forever...

    stevenaia Michinaga: there are many places in the wiki to offer suggestions of "what to do" at a meeting, there havebeen many discussion on how topic should arise or be directed, I belive everyone has their own approach

    Eliza Madrigal: this is where one finds pema's chapters, then also links to reports, which are under 'time sessions'
    Eliza Madrigal: once you know, then you know ;-)

    Bruce Mowbray: May I ask another question about the sessions at the fountain?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: How does one deal with Griefers?

    Eliza Madrigal: This is one of the reasons we have 'tags'
    Zen Arado: that's my question too Bruce
    Paradise Tennant: we have very few .. really :)
    Eliza Madrigal: when you are a member of the group, you are empowered to eject them
    Zen Arado: how Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: but yes, thankfully we have few
    stevenaia Michinaga: (as a lst step)
    Paradise Tennant: only seen one person expelled since I started
    stevenaia Michinaga: last
    Bruce Mowbray: How does one eject a griefer?
    Eliza Madrigal: RIght click --->
    Eos Amaterasu whispers, you are all super-heros!
    Eden Haiku: Ah, I have a question about tags. How do you wear it?
    Eliza Madrigal: (with your tag on)
    Eliza Madrigal: in the pie, although I'm not sure about version 2 viewer in this regard
    Eliza Madrigal: there is an option to eject
    Bruce Mowbray: ok.
    Eos Amaterasu: I have only had to do this once ever
    Eliza Madrigal: The tag is under groups, then activate
    Bleu Oleander: to wear your tag you need to make PaB your active group
    Eliza Madrigal: playasbeinghere
    Eden Haiku: ah...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, Eos I think that was my only night too
    Eliza Madrigal: we were really descended upon
    Bruce Mowbray: ok.
    Eliza Madrigal: Storm, can ban people...
    Lucinda Lavender: long ago?

    Aphrodite Macbain: I thought we could report an abuse but not eject.
    Eliza Madrigal: but it is a long process and one reserved for persistent griefers

    Bruce Mowbray: So, are you saying to right-click on the griefer.

    Eos Amaterasu: yes, almost a year ago
    Bruce Mowbray: ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: a while ago, some grifters, some intellectuals
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Bruce
    Aphrodite Macbain: That gves the griefer power to eject as well
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: who just couldn;t stop
    Bruce Mowbray: ok, thanks.

    Adams Rubble: if you want to try it out you can eject me
    Eliza Madrigal: Aphrodite, the griefer is not in the sl group
    stevenaia Michinaga: we would never Adams
    Eliza Madrigal: so can't wear a pab tag
    Paradise Tennant: smiles volunteers too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: so can't eject
    Adams Rubble: I'll come back
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, eject ME
    Adams Rubble: hehe

    Eliza Madrigal: This is part of the reason choosing guardians is a process that takes a while

    Paradise Tennant: smiles waiting to be ..orbited :)
    Eos Amaterasu wonders about being on the watch for intellectuals
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahha

    Bruce Mowbray: In version 2, I am getting a "BLOCK" choice -- Is that what one would click to eject a griefer?

    Maxine Walden: :) Eos
    Aphrodite Macbain: only Guardians ca eject Is that what you're saying?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes exactly APh
    Eliza Madrigal: guardians actually wearing their tags
    stevenaia Michinaga: some just don;t play well with others, Eos
    Lucinda Lavender: when I rt click on Steve there is no eject message in the choices offered
    Aphrodite Macbain: So when I get my new label as Guardian that capability is besowed uon me
    Paradise Tennant: good practise opportunities :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmmm... are there viewer 2 users who might see what Bruce sees?
    stevenaia Michinaga: select ...more
    Bruce Mowbray: Is it the BLOCK choice. . . . ??
    Lucinda Lavender: ah
    Adams Rubble: you don't hve your tag on Lucinda
    Eliza Madrigal: when you were invited to the sl group aphrodite, you were given that right, yes
    Zen Arado: I can see 'eject' Bruce
    Lucinda Lavender: ah but even without the tag it worked...
    Bruce Mowbray: I do not see EJECT in Version 2, sorry.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I put my Group Title tag on now
    Bruce Mowbray: I only see BLOCK.
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, yes, I haven't used that in version 2
    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe

    Lucinda Lavender: when I rt clicked on steve the second time there were more offerings
    stevenaia Michinaga: it works
    Adams Rubble: wb Steve
    Adams Rubble: are you hurt?

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, interesting Lucinda
    Aphrodite Macbain: is being a cultivator = being a guardian?
    Zen Arado: block, report, freeze , eject, zoom in pay

    Eliza Madrigal: yes Aphrodite, there are 3 tags actually...
    stevenaia Michinaga: there are three tahs I believe you can wear
    Eliza Madrigal: guardian, host, cultivator
    stevenaia Michinaga: wear
    Lucinda Lavender: I remember getting the choices made for the active group etc previously with Storms help
    Aphrodite Macbain: same thing?
    Eliza Madrigal: in the group's info box there is a little tab where you can choose
    Eliza Madrigal whispers: yup!
    Aphrodite Macbain: same powers to eject?

    Bruce Mowbray: Can anyone please answer my question about "BLOCK" in version 2?
    Eliza Madrigal: (don't know why I whispered that)
    Adams Rubble: don;t know Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: i wonder if block, is mute
    Eliza Madrigal: because one can also mute someone
    Paradise Tennant: nods at eliza happens to me too
    Aphrodite Macbain: It comes up ith may things
    Eliza Madrigal: but that doesn't stop them from bothering others
    Lucinda Lavender: what do you see bruce when you click it?
    stevenaia Michinaga: some grifters just go away when you ignore them
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: (they bore easilly)
    Paradise Tennant: they get bored if not engaged
    Bruce Mowbray: If I right-click on someone, I get several coices in a menu.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Like animate my avatar
    Bruce Mowbray: The only one even remotely like "eject" is BLOCK.
    Eliza Madrigal: I've also seen some who are disappointed if you talk to them, ask them lots of nice questions
    Lucinda Lavender: I see block,report zoom in, freeze pay
    Eliza Madrigal: take interest :)
    Zen Arado: hmmm....no eject?
    Bruce Mowbray: Are you in V2 Luci?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I've clicked on you, then block and added it to my block list
    Lucinda Lavender: v 2
    Aphrodite Macbain: I can unblock you too
    Bruce Mowbray: Please unblock me.
    Eliza Madrigal: you may not be able to hear bruce when he is blocked aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: But he's still present?
    Eos Amaterasu: (this meeting could quickly disintegrate..)
    Adams Rubble: block seems to "block" teleports to land
    Eliza Madrigal: did you hear/read text from him a second ago?
    Eliza Madrigal: well, it is almost time for that anyway Eos... hahyahah
    Eos Amaterasu: anybody here?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Please say somthing to me Bruce
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Eos
    Maxine Walden: (have to go; sent a message that I cannot be guardian for today's 1pm slot, in case anyone wants to take it for 'practice'. I would happily post the log if someone could catch and send it to me)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Maxine!
    Eliza Madrigal: Have a lovely day
    Bruce Mowbray: Will someone please say yes or no -- Is BLOCK what we use in V2 to eject someone?
    Maxine Walden: thank you everyone. See you soon
    Adams Rubble: bye Maxine
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you Maxine, bye
    Eos Amaterasu: thnx, maxy
    Zen Arado: bye Maxine
    Aphrodite Macbain: I can't read anything you say. I suppose thatwill work with IM too
    Maxine Walden is Offline
    Ewan Bonham: bye Max
    Eliza Madrigal: Bruce, I think we just don't know and therfore cannot answer
    Paradise Tennant: bye maxine thank you
    Lucinda Lavender: Bruce no it is eject
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. Thanks.
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry
    Paradise Tennant: going to scoot too .. beautiful sunny day here .. going to "be" outside .. thank you all for .. being here .. :))) see you soon :)))Snapshot_003.png


    stevenaia Michinaga: bye aradise
    stevenaia Michinaga: P
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Paradise of flowers
    Adams Rubble: bye Paradise


     (The above was my view when Paradise got up to leave.. such a pretty dress!)

    Eos Amaterasu: By the way, I sent out an emailabout an upcoming theme session
    Eden Haiku: I doN't know Bruce about BLOCK in viewer 2...
    Ewan Bonham: Bye ppara
    Bleu Oleander: bye Paradise

    Eos Amaterasu: especially for people who play with software and programming and scripting languages
    Eos Amaterasu: using those as metaphors and language for PaB

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, you did Eos.... willl look for that. I'm not a programmer but that was a great session where you and pema brainstormed that :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Thursday or Friday September 9 and 10 at 7 am or 1 pm
    Eos Amaterasu: let me know preferred times....

    stevenaia Michinaga: what is the Theme
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, it's just using language
    Eos Amaterasu: so everyone is welcome
    Eden Haiku: Ok, yes, that sounds interesting Eos, this programming metaphor...
    Eos Amaterasu: twitterers also

    Birthday Balloon Drop ~Pastels: Preparing To Drop!
    Birthday Balloon Drop ~Pastels: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! LET'S PARTY!
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: heheheh
    Eos Amaterasu: hayoo!
    Eden Haiku: hehehe!!!
    AKEYO_PowerAO_KimChan (v 1.0): ON
    AKEYO_PowerAO_KimChan (v 1.0): Dance On
    Aphrodite Macbain: Those are very heavy balloons.
    Eden Haiku: Love the colors too!
    AKEYO_PowerAO_KimChan (v 1.0): Dance Off
    Eliza Madrigal: (((((((((((((((((((( Eden ))))))))))))))))))))))
    Eden Haiku: Eliza doing some little dance
    Bleu Oleander: HB Eden!!
    stevenaia Michinaga: I took a snapshot for the log

    Eliza Madrigal: ((((((((( other august birthday-ers, winking at eos (and storm somewhere)))))))
    Aphrodite Macbain: Happy birthday to youuuuuuu
    Zen Arado: "block
    To eliminate text chat from an object or text and voice chat from a Resident. To block someone, move your mouse over them inworld, click the inspector, then click the Gear and choose Block."
    Bruce Mowbray: Be well, everyone.
    Bruce Mowbray is Offline
    Bleu Oleander: bye everyone ... have a great day!
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye all!
    Eden Haiku: Feeling good!
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh, love the flip Eden!
    Adams Rubble: bye all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye everyone leaving :)
    Zen Arado: bye all
    Ewan Bonham: Happy birthday!

    Birthday balloons_001.png

    AKEYO_PowerAO_KimChan (v 1.0): Dance On
    Dao Yheng is Online
    Lucinda Lavender: bye everyone!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: That is one fine cake (I think)
    Eliza Madrigal: I will try to come to the 1pm session today if others would like to continue this kind of discussion
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmm 2 more minutes, any other questions?
    Eden Haiku: Thanks everyone...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Thriller Dancer: Say 'on' or 'off'to turn me on or off, or 'help' for more commands
    Bleu Oleander: make a wish Eden
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, blow out the candles
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Eden, for so much :)
    Eden Haiku: I am!! :)))
    Aphrodite Macbain: I want to thank you all for taking the time to making a dent in my unsderstanding what it means to be a guardian
    Eden Haiku: Wow, that is magical!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Do you se snow?
    Adams Rubble: welcome aboard Aphrodite :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: whatever we can do to make it easier for you
    Eliza Madrigal: Aphrodite, I hope that it has helped at least a little
    Eos Amaterasu is Offline
    Eliza Madrigal: we won't leave you hanging :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: BLow out the candles!
    stevenaia Michinaga: just ask
    Eden Haiku: Yes welcome in our yellow submarine Aph...
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks all. I hope
    Arisia Vita is Offline
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hahh. Is that you singing Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: yellow submarine.. yellow submarine....It is EDEN!
    Aphrodite Macbain: wonderful
    Aphrodite Macbain: beautiful voice Eden
    Zen Arado: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSeeee***********
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSeeee***********
    Eliza Madrigal: I have to go, but hugs and again happy birthday eden
    Eliza Madrigal: bye for now everybody :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thwe happiest of Sundays to you alll
    Lucinda Lavender: bye for now Eliza...
    Aphrodite Macbain: Good back flip!
    Ewan Bonham: Bye folks..:)

    Eliza Madrigal: wow, you found the hall, and so did the fish!
    Bleu Oleander is Online
    Yakuzza Lethecus is Online
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eliza. Yes we have a good guide
    Try moving closer.  Can't sit on object because
    it is not in the same region as you.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Love what you're wearing. Is it a sarong?
    Eos Amaterasu is Online
    Eliza Madrigal: It is a dress actually, but I like that it is very much a blend of styles
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Maxine :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey Bruce
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone
    Zen Arado is Online
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bleu, Maxine,Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu too :))
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Bleu, Aph, Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, maybe I was wrong about Maxine... don't see her yet ;-)
    AKEYO_PowerAO_KimChan (v 1.0): OFF
    Eliza Madrigal: Hiya Ya :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Bleu Oleander: hey Yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: Eden!!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Yaku!
    Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Yaku.
    Bleu Oleander: hi Eden, Eos
    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eden.
    Lucinda Lavender is Online

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    <rant> It's typical of the attention to trivial detail and the essential *worthlessness* of Version 2 that they changed the name of the command to silence somebody from "mute" to "block." Mute was clear and unambiguous, block is ambiguous and confusing, as we all proved. Bah. </rant>

    Great session, I wish I could have been there (but was at work). edited 00:26, 31 Aug 2010
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