2011.05.01 08:00 - Guardian Sesion: Noisy Fun, PaB Sustainability & Storm for President ;-)

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    This guardian session was attended by 15 guardians: 08:30 (15) : Agatha Macbeth : Alfred Kelberry : Aphrodite Macbain : Bruce Mowbray : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Maxine Walden : Riddle Sideways : Storm Nordwind : Sunshine Vayandar : Wol Euler : Xirana Oximoxi : Yakuzza Lethecus : iwandertoo Resident : stevenaia Michinaga

    I had terrible issues with both SL and my computer, and was offline for most of this session in which important matters of donations and music were discussed! Thanks Sunshine for giving me (Eliza) the log!

    [07:57 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hey ;))
    [07:57 AM] Eliza Madrigal: hey hey, pretty dress
    [07:57 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: looking amazing ;)
    [07:57 AM] Eliza Madrigal: very spring
    [07:58 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: yes ;)
    [07:58 AM] Eliza Madrigal: thanks :))
    [07:58 AM] Eliza Madrigal: I have chat lag going....
    [07:58 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: how are you Eliza ;)
    [07:58 AM] Eliza Madrigal: apologies if my communication is strange
    [07:58 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Yaku, Bruce
    [07:58 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus: i wonder did noone every suggested _______ as guardian or is she or did she decline ?
    [07:58 AM] Eliza Madrigal: She said (when another avatar) that she wasn't interested in being a guardian
    [07:59 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Wol ;)
    [07:59 AM] Wol Euler: hello (again) everyone
    [07:59 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Xiri
    [07:59 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    [07:59 AM] Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Sun!
    [07:59 AM] Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    [07:59 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol, Xirana, Yaku, Sun, Bruce, Blub
    [07:59 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
    [07:59 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: hi to all:)
    [07:59 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Blub ;)
    [07:59 AM] Wol Euler: I would hesitate to invite her. She comes often to the meetings but doesn't really seem to be connected to our ideas. IMHO
    [07:59 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Hi Susan :)
    [07:59 AM] Bruce Mowbray: ooopsss -- I hit F11 instead of F12 ---
    [07:59 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Susan ;)
    [08:00 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Welcome back Wol
    [08:00 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hehe is this your F11?
    [08:00 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    [08:00 AM] Wol Euler: ty, nice to be here again
    [08:00 AM] iwandertoo Resident: waves
    [08:00 AM] Eliza Madrigal: :)
    [08:00 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus: poison ivy
    [08:00 AM] Eliza Madrigal: I'm not seeing my lines... grrr
    [08:00 AM] Eliza Madrigal: =P~ Yaku
    [08:01 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: you don't see what you write Eliza?
    [08:01 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: Hi Storm ;)

    [08:01 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm! A rare Sunday morning sighting!
    [08:01 AM] Wol Euler: hello storm
    [08:01 AM] Storm Nordwind: Good morning :)
    [08:01 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus: hey storm
    [08:01 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: hi Storm
    [08:01 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
    [08:01 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Aga ;)
    [08:01 AM] Eliza Madrigal: yes, I see lines once in a while but they are out of order if there
    [08:01 AM] Wol Euler: aggers
    [08:01 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
    [08:01 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Greetings :)
    [08:01 AM] iwandertoo Resident: :)
    [08:01 AM] Wol Euler: hello eos
    [08:01 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: aha OK:)
    [08:01 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Eos
    [08:02 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Hi Maxine :))
    [08:02 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: hi Eos
    [08:02 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)

    [08:02 AM] (7S) Common Fish: Yellow Guppy: Your pet swims happily around you. (Click your pet for a menu of options!)

    [08:02 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Maxine ;)
    [08:02 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus: hello max
    [08:02 AM] Maxine Walden: hi, Eliza!
    [08:02 AM] Wol Euler: hello maxine
    [08:02 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: hi Mxine:)
    [08:02 AM] Eos Amaterasu: Hi avatars of various stripes and colours!
    [08:03 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Hello Max
    [08:03 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    [08:03 AM] Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    [08:03 AM] Maxine Walden: hi, everyone, so good to see us all here!
    [08:03 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: I feel boring
    [08:03 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    [08:03 AM] Eos Amaterasu: Ya got ta lively up urself, Sun
    [08:04 AM] Eliza Madrigal: you look just lovely Sunshine, as does everyone.. so nice to see you all
    [08:04 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: I have to yes hmm
    [08:04 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: nice to be here ;) sorry for not being able to come before ...
    [08:04 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Aph ;)
    [08:04 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Sun, everyone
    [08:04 AM] Eos Amaterasu: ahem
    [08:04 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: hi Aph:)
    [08:05 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Dont sit on me Eos

    [08:05 AM] Eliza Madrigal: No worries... we can't all make every meeting as much as we'd like to
    [08:05 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    [08:05 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aphrodte :)
    [08:05 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus smiles
    [08:05 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: heheh
    [08:05 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: :)))
    [08:05 AM] Eos Amaterasu: were you there all the time, Aph?
    [08:05 AM] Wol Euler: hello aph
    [08:05 AM] Eliza Madrigal: (though we can read them on the wiki) heh...have to get a plug in
    [08:06 AM] Eliza Madrigal: :)) Eos...
    [08:06 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;o)
    [08:07 AM] Eos Amaterasu: where's the music?
    [08:07 AM] Eliza Madrigal: goldie Eos

    [08:07 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Ah, well first we will talk about donations :)
    [08:07 AM] Eliza Madrigal: then we will open our microphones so you can sing to us Eos
    [08:07 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
    [08:07 AM] Eliza Madrigal: :)
    [08:07 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    [08:07 AM] Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    [08:07 AM] Eos Amaterasu: regions don't like me
    [08:08 AM] Eliza Madrigal: I'd like to wait for Aph to sign back on... and thank you for being here Storm
    [08:08 AM] Storm Nordwind does not know how long he'll be able to stay
    [08:08 AM] Eliza Madrigal: WB Aph :))
    [08:08 AM] Eos Amaterasu listens
    [08:09 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: wb Aph ;)

    [08:09 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Aphrodite, thanks so much for your again, very clear email
    [08:09 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks
    [08:09 AM] Wol Euler: not yet
    [08:09 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: yes thanks Aph ;)

    [08:09 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Did everyone have a chance to look at that?
    [08:09 AM] Wol Euler: hello riddle
    [08:09 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Riddle ;)
    [08:09 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Hello rid
    [08:09 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: yw liza
    [08:09 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Eliza
    [08:10 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: yes I read it
    [08:10 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle, we're going over donations for the moment :)
    [08:10 AM] Maxine Walden: yes, very clear and communicative

    [08:10 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Hey diddle diddle now we have Riddle
    [08:10 AM] Riddle Sideways: Hi everyBody
    [08:10 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: hi Riddle
    [08:10 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Aph, do you think you can summarize the points here for us, just briefly?
    [08:10 AM] Maxine Walden: hi, Riddle
    [08:11 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Pabbers! 
    Here is a gentle reminder that PaB depends on the support of it members. 

    For nearly three years Play as Being has graced the Second Life landscape. Its presence has been supported by private donations and funding from the Kira Institute. Now we are trying to make it more self-supporting from those who use PaB the most: the guardians and friends. Many of you give your time and effort and we really couldn't survive without all that wonderful voluntary help, but we still need a regular flow of cash, and if we all regularly gave a little we'd be in really good shape.

    How much does PaB need? Every 3 months, we need $800 (US) to pay for everything in the Bieup sim: the pavilion, the guardian plots, the Art as Being Dome, the Board and Conference Rooms, the Five Bells pub, the Sacred Art Museum and half (!) the Village Hall as well as for the hosting of our main wiki and other subsidiary wikis on our server.

    [08:11 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: my email!
    [08:11 AM] Eliza Madrigal: haha, Thanks!

    [08:12 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: How well have we been doing? We usually get in the high $300s but there's always a shortfall and that has to come out of our other funding (see Real Life Reserve Fund below.) So far this quarter we have raised $301.40

    What would it take to meet the $800 a quarter? We have approximately 60 guardians/friends. At the moment, the number of people who donate regularly financially is around 10-15% of that. But if everyone donated just $5US a month (or $15/quarter) PaB would be close to self supporting. If you value PaB and its wonderful offerings, please go to the Donations page on our Wiki and start a regular donation of at least $5 a month.

    The link is http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Donations

    Thank you to those who are already donating to PaB. These funds are very much appreciated! The land for the Kira Cafe and the other half of the PaB Village Hall comes from the current standing monthly donation. And we also have two very substantial quarterly donors who primarily pay for the Kira Institute infrastructure.

    [08:12 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: sure

    [08:12 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Thanks to everyone who has jumped in to make a recurring or other donation, and thanks Storm for installing the capability to donate $L at the pavilion board, yes yes yes!!
    [08:12 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: nuff said

    [08:13 AM] Eliza Madrigal: :::streamers:::: it is really nice to see this care for the community

    [08:14 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: Thanks Storm - I haven't looked yet - but will have a look
    [08:14 AM] Storm Nordwind: The last four quarters we have raised $575, $395, $630, $380 - which is very good. So far this quarter we are likely to reach $700 which will be a record, but still short of target.
    [08:14 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: It's easy to use and takes $ and L$

    [08:14 AM] Wol Euler: oh, it won't let me use paypal for recurring donations :( wants a credit card number
    [08:14 AM] Riddle Sideways: there are 3 methods of payment. Each take a percentage out. Could somebody summarize which takes the least?
    [08:14 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: I noticed that too Wol
    [08:15 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: I'm afraid I can't summarize

    [08:15 AM] Eliza Madrigal: ... that we may become self-sustaining. Wow, Storm, so just about $100 short of target the way things are going for this quarter?

    [08:15 AM] Eos Amaterasu: If you have a personal PayPal account which has money in it, the recurring donation will be taken out of that
    [08:15 AM] Wol Euler: no, I am on the paypal site right now. It wants a CC
    [08:15 AM] Eos Amaterasu: otherwise you need to identify a credit card
    [08:15 AM] Eliza Madrigal: hmm

    [08:16 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: We need $800 by the end of June and so far we have a little more than $300
    [08:16 AM] Storm Nordwind: In general, the larger the amount donated - singly or recurring - the small amount lost in fees.
    [08:16 AM] Wol Euler: (anyway, details, please continue)
    [08:16 AM] Eliza Madrigal: (apologies for chat lag, random lines soon to appear I think)
    [08:17 AM] Eliza Madrigal: I will re-log quickly
    [08:17 AM] Aphrodite Macbain waits for random lines to appear
    [08:17 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: kk Eliza

    [08:19 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: how's new York Wol?
    [08:19 AM] Agatha Macbeth pokes Wol
    [08:19 AM] Sunshine Vayandar pokes Wol also
    [08:19 AM] Wol Euler: sorry, was on paypal.
    [08:19 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    [08:20 AM] Wol Euler: NY was fun, but I've been home for a few hours now

    [08:20 AM] Storm Nordwind: The very generous recurring donations monthly so allow us to predict a little better how we will do. :))

    [08:20 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Could be on worse things...
    [08:20 AM] Eos Amaterasu: You can set up PayPal to withdraw funds from your bank if PayPal balance won't cover a charge
    [08:20 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: great
    [08:20 AM] Eos Amaterasu: otherwise you give it a credit card from which to withdraw payments
    [08:21 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: wb Eliza ;)
    [08:21 AM] Wol Euler: I have 400€ in paypal, surely that would cover US$5 ..... :(
    [08:21 AM] Bruce Mowbray: wb, Eliza.
    [08:21 AM] Wol Euler: wb eliza
    [08:21 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Nice dress Eliza
    [08:21 AM] Eos Amaterasu: Maybe they treat recurring payment diff
    [08:21 AM] Agatha Macbeth: wb Liz
    [08:21 AM] Maxine Walden: Should do. Wol, unless the EU economic defaults really take hold :)) !
    [08:22 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: It's really important to sort out the details of how these payments work
    [08:22 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: or dont work
    [08:22 AM] Riddle Sideways: what charge/cost if usign the donation page?
    [08:23 AM] Eliza Madrigal: apologies... I agree, the details are important. Is it a matter of international differences?
    [08:23 AM] Wol Euler: wb eliza
    [08:23 AM] Eliza Madrigal: ty :)
    [08:23 AM] Eliza Madrigal: (I'll appreciate someone filling in the text I missed into the log later)
    [08:24 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: The donation page on the wiki Riddle?
    [08:24 AM] Riddle Sideways: yes
    [08:24 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Stevenaia
    [08:24 AM] Maxine Walden: hi, Steve
    [08:24 AM] stevenaia Michinaga: waves
    [08:24 AM] Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevenaia
    [08:24 AM] iwandertoo Resident: :)
    [08:24 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Hello Steve
    [08:24 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: maybe Storm or Eos can answer that Riddle
    [08:24 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hi Stevie ;)
    [08:24 AM] Wol Euler: hello steve

    [08:25 AM] Riddle Sideways: could somebody summerize the charges with L$, PayPal or CC
    [08:25 AM] Eos Amaterasu is not sure how good he is at answering riddles
    [08:25 AM] Maxine Walden: :) Eos
    [08:25 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    [08:25 AM] Riddle Sideways: it is a simple riddle
    [08:25 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Boxy!
    [08:25 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Woof woof Boxy
    [08:25 AM] Alfred Kelberry: :)
    [08:25 AM] Alfred Kelberry: wuff!
    [08:25 AM] iwandertoo Resident: :)
    [08:25 AM] Maxine Walden: hi, Alfred

    [08:25 AM] Eos Amaterasu: PayPal charges a bit for each transaction; the percentage charged declines with increasing amount
    [08:25 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: hi Boxy
    [08:26 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: wuff ;)
    [08:26 AM] boxy's nose: Yaku touches me lovingly
    [08:26 AM] Alfred Kelberry: hello everyone :)
    [08:26 AM] Eos Amaterasu: don't remember exact details
    [08:26 AM] boxy's nose: Aphrodite Macbain touches me lovingly
    [08:26 AM] Riddle Sideways: and so do the Lindens
    [08:26 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: lol
    [08:26 AM] boxy's nose: Wol Euler touches me gently
    [08:26 AM] Riddle Sideways: what payment gateway is behind the donation page?
    [08:26 AM] boxy's nose: Sun touches me gently
    [08:26 AM] Eos Amaterasu: PayPal

    [08:27 AM] Storm Nordwind: The charge that PayPal takes as transfer fee that PayPal takes $5pm, 8.2%, $10pm 6.2%, $20pm 3.7%, $30pm 3.2%. These seem to be approximate and they do change a little. The larger the donation, the smaller the charge.

    [08:27 AM] Riddle Sideways: ok, thank you
    [08:27 AM] Alfred Kelberry: i suggest wepay.com instead
    [08:27 AM] Wol Euler: no
    [08:27 AM] Wol Euler: sorry :)
    [08:27 AM] Alfred Kelberry: aka "paypal done right"

    [08:28 AM] Eos Amaterasu: Will look into it, boxy, but as usual cost of change needs evaluating vis a vis benefits
    [08:29 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Yep

    [08:29 AM] Eliza Madrigal: yes, perhaps we should take these issues brought up and try to get them sorted in the days ahead... including looking at other services
    [08:29 AM] Eos Amaterasu: punt to WG

    [08:29 AM] Storm Nordwind: Trust and credibility from a track record of any service are also part of the equation

    [UPDATE: Post-session Eos looked into this option and sent an email to the guardian group:

    At today's guardian meeting WePay was suggested as an alternative to PayPal for handling PaB donations.
    Q:Does WePay allow international (non-US) payments?
    A:Not right now, but we hope to soon.

    Q:Can I use WePay in Canada?
    WePay is only available in the United States. We hope to expand soon though, so keep your eyes peeled!

    So, not quite there yet, Eos ]

    [08:29 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Given the number of complexities of donating, I wonder whether someone would anyone be willing to create a new wiki page that goes into detail of all the ways to donate, answering all the questions that are arising here?
    [08:29 AM] Eliza Madrigal: :))
    [08:30 AM] Eliza Madrigal: its a good question... Bruce and I will add that to the wg agenda...

    [08:31 AM] Storm Nordwind: PayPal is also behind the L$ donation, because L$ donated go to an SL account and is paid out to a PayPal account.

                     (I get stuck again)

    [08:31 AM] boxy's nose: Bruce touches me playfully
    [08:31 AM] Eliza Madrigal: ac...
    [08:31 AM] boxy's nose: Xirana touches me gently
    [08:31 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    [08:31 AM] boxy's nose: Aggers touches me persistently
    [08:32 AM] boxy's nose: Eos Amaterasu touches me playfully
    [08:32 AM] boxy's nose: Wol Euler touches me playfully
    [08:32 AM] Alfred Kelberry: :P
    [08:32 AM] Storm Nordwind has a dog biscuit for Boxy
    [08:32 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: hahaha
    [08:32 AM] Alfred Kelberry: *has a bone*
    [08:32 AM] Agatha Macbeth: It's a dog's life
    [08:32 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: it's so fun:)

    [08:32 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: ok Eliza we'll discuss it further at the next WG meeting
    [08:33 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: Eliza is gone again
    [08:33 AM] Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I already have it in the agenda for w/g

    [08:33 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: It might be great if Storm could attend that one
    [08:33 AM] Storm Nordwind makes no promises
    [08:33 AM] Eos Amaterasu: Storm is not a politician
    [08:33 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    [08:33 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hehe Eos
    [08:34 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: thank God
    [08:34 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: :))
    [08:34 AM] Wol Euler: :)
    [08:34 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: Imagine Storm as a politician
    [08:34 AM] Storm Nordwind shudders
    [08:34 AM] Aphrodite Macbain shudders
    [08:34 AM] Alfred Kelberry: eos for the master guardian!
    [08:34 AM] Eos Amaterasu: would have been sitting in Westminster Abbey
    [08:34 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: Storm for president ;)

    [08:35 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: So next point is about music?
    [08:35 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: not sure what the question was about music ...
    [08:35 AM] Storm Nordwind: Vote for me and $100,000 will appear in your accounts overnight
    [08:35 AM] Maxine Walden: :))
    [08:35 AM] Agatha Macbeth votes for Storm
    [08:35 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: L$?
    [08:35 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: hehe
    [08:35 AM] Eos Amaterasu gets in line to vote
    [08:35 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus too
    [08:35 AM] Sunshine Vayandar votes Storm
    [08:35 AM] Alfred Kelberry: *votes*
    [08:35 AM] Bruce Mowbray votes for storm three times.
    [08:35 AM] stevenaia Michinaga: g2g
    [08:35 AM] Alfred Kelberry: haha
    [08:35 AM] Alfred Kelberry: bruce :)
    [08:35 AM] Storm Nordwind did not say which night
    [08:35 AM] Maxine Walden: vote early and often for Storm
    [08:35 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ahh we can vote more times?

    [08:35 AM] Eos Amaterasu: yum, this promissory food is delicious
    [08:35 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Bye steve
    [08:36 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus: is it ok to vote with sartre too ?
    [08:36 AM] Sunshine Vayandar keeps voting
    [08:36 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus: zimbabwe $ ?
    [08:36 AM] Storm Nordwind: Yaku broke the code :)
    [08:36 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;) yes let's clarify what money
    [08:36 AM] Eos Amaterasu: Fed Reserve quantitative easing imagibucks
    [08:37 AM] iwandertoo Resident: lol

    [08:37 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Was there anything else on the agenda?

    [08:37 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: So what shall we discuss about music?
    [08:37 AM] Eos Amaterasu wonders if Boxy always had breasts and he just never noticed

    [08:38 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus: eos singing :)
    [08:38 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ahh yes Eos singing
    [08:38 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Your date and times
    [08:38 AM] Agatha Macbeth: How to play in tune?
    [08:38 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: How to sing in tune?
    [08:38 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;) Aga
    [08:38 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Either
    [08:38 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Both
    [08:38 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: whether we have sessions at other times than 8PM Wednesdays?

    [08:38 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: Music for now is on Wednesdays - at 8amSLT - After Eliza's session
    [08:39 AM] Eos Amaterasu makes a note
    [08:39 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Eliza's session?
    [08:39 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: Eliza's session usually - suddenly becomes musical .... and that is when we start ...
    [08:39 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: at the Pavilion?
    [08:39 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: yes at the Pavilion
    [08:39 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: kk
    [08:39 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: and so we can play live - through voice ...
    [08:39 AM] Maxine Walden: have to go, dear friends. Nice to see everyone. Will slip out
    [08:39 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: or recite poems
    [08:39 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: How many people usually attend?
    [08:39 AM] Riddle Sideways: plays a note
    [08:39 AM] Wol Euler: bye maxine, take care
    [08:39 AM] Riddle Sideways: bye Maxine
    [08:39 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: bye Maxine:)
    [08:39 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: not many - may be 4-5
    [08:40 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    [08:40 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Maxine
    [08:40 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: take care Maxine
    [08:40 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: Zen usually comes to hum ;)
    [08:40 AM] Storm Nordwind chuckles

    [08:40 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Is it OK with that number or would you prefer more?
    [08:40 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
    [08:40 AM] Riddle Sideways: is it better to play SL instruments or voice?
    [08:40 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: oh for me it doesn't matter
    [08:40 AM] Bruce Mowbray wonders if he could get voice through Phoenix -- cuz he cannot get it through V2.
    [08:40 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: but if anyone would love to take part - I'd like to make sure they can also attend

    [08:41 AM] Agatha Macbeth: The Bieup Philharmonic
    [08:41 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hehe yes Aga
    [08:41 AM] Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    [08:41 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: we already have a jazz band
    [08:41 AM] Wol Euler: heheheh
    [08:41 AM] Agatha Macbeth waves her baton
    [08:41 AM] Storm Nordwind likes the name "Bieup Philharmonic"
    [08:41 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: yes it sounds elegant Storm ;)
    [08:41 AM] Bruce Mowbray will bring spoons.
    [08:41 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: we need a concert hall!!
    [08:41 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: spoons are perfect
    [08:41 AM] Bruce Mowbray: :)
    [08:42 AM] Wol Euler: if you've got the spoons, I'll bring the yoghurt

    [08:42 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: I will come in the near future :)) but only to listen... by me we say, when someone sings very bad, that he will make rain:)
    [08:42 AM] Storm Nordwind: You provide the orchestra, I'll provide the venue ;-)
    [08:42 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: yoghurt - hmmm not so good I think
    [08:42 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: rain can be nice
    [08:42 AM] Agatha Macbeth: That's ok Xira, it rains here anyway
    [08:42 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: the idea is to have fun
    [08:42 AM] Eos Amaterasu: but here, "not a drop on me"
    [08:42 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: you don't have to do anything ...just sit around
    [08:42 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: yes! the sound of water droping against objects is nice:)
    [08:42 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Is that a promise Storm, like the one offered earlier?
    [08:43 AM] Riddle Sideways: maybe
    [08:43 AM] Eos Amaterasu: the sound of one drip dropping
    [08:43 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: it can make a wonderful concert too:)
    [08:43 AM] Storm Nordwind: No Aph, it's a real promise - not like the one earlier!
    [08:43 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: where would we fit it?
    [08:43 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Or one drop dripping
    [08:43 AM] Storm Nordwind suggests Aphrodite should wait and see ;-)
    [08:43 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: OK duly noted in the wiki!
    [08:44 AM] Aphrodite Macbain tries hard to practice patience
    [08:44 AM] Eos Amaterasu hears an elephant?
    [08:44 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Africa comes to Village Hall
    [08:44 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Nelly Phant
    [08:44 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    [08:44 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: don't look at me ;)
    [08:44 AM] Riddle Sideways: maybe just yet another pavillion floor.... /9 concert hall
    [08:44 AM] Agatha Macbeth looks at Sun
    [08:44 AM] Sunshine Vayandar looks at Aga
    [08:45 AM] Agatha Macbeth: :)

    [08:45 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: hey! what's shakin'?
    [08:45 AM] Eos Amaterasu: sun-aga entanglement
    [08:45 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: sun-aga saga
    [08:45 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Agggh
    [08:45 AM] Alfred Kelberry: the roof is leaking?
    [08:45 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully not the ground
    [08:45 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: we need the plumbers
    [08:45 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    [08:45 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: oh nooo!
    [08:46 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: Storm didn't do a proper job with the roof
    [08:46 AM] Bruce Mowbray: wakaon
    [08:46 AM] Eos Amaterasu: ♬
    [08:46 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: wakaoff
    [08:46 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Waka lag
    [08:46 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: wakaon
    [08:46 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: :D

    [08:46 AM] Alfred Kelberry: http://t.xalan.org/woly-tired.jpg

    [08:46 AM] Alfred Kelberry: :)
    [08:46 AM] Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    [08:46 AM] Bruce Mowbray: wakaoff
    [08:47 AM] Wol Euler: heh
    [08:47 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    [08:47 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Nice Brucie
    [08:47 AM] Wol Euler: that's pretty much how I feel
    [08:47 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: good dancer Bruce:)
    [08:47 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: so the music sessions are just for fun - in a noisy way
    [08:47 AM] Bruce Mowbray gets winded with waka dance.
    [08:47 AM] Alfred Kelberry: it seems your av can feel it, woly :)
    [08:47 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus: japanet
    [08:47 AM] nas :p TAKATA MASK: ja-panet japanet♪\(^O^)/
    [08:47 AM] nas :p TAKATA MASK: hoo hoo♪
    [08:47 AM] nas :p TAKATA MASK: yume no japanet takata♪
    [08:47 AM] nas :p TAKATA MASK: ja-panet japanet♪
    [08:47 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
    [08:47 AM] nas :p TAKATA MASK: hoo hoo♪
    [08:48 AM] nas :p TAKATA MASK: yume no japanet takata♪\(^O^)/
    [08:48 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: yay
    [08:48 AM] Aphrodite Macbain grins
    [08:48 AM] Bruce Mowbray: [`•.] APPLAUSE!! [.•´]
    [08:48 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: we can have a talent show
    [08:48 AM] Aphrodite Macbain APPLAUDS!!!
    [08:48 AM] Agatha Macbeth: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSeeee***********
    [08:48 AM] Agatha Macbeth: clap

    [08:48 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: so is that time ok for everyone - Wednesday 8amslt?
    [08:48 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: or u wanna do similar things at other times?
    [08:48 AM] Eos Amaterasu: start with wed
    [08:48 AM] Bruce Mowbray: cool -- THANKS, Sun!
    [08:48 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: all the time
    [08:49 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
    [08:49 AM] Alfred Kelberry: :)
    [08:49 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: well move in with me hehe
    [08:49 AM] Alfred Kelberry: you want to change music session time?
    [08:49 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: I like our musical interludes
    [08:49 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: no I will keep it as it is on Wed 8am
    [08:49 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: OK great
    [08:49 AM] Alfred Kelberry: alright
    [08:49 AM] Bruce Mowbray: yes, cool.
    [08:49 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Boxy's dancing to his own drummer
    [08:50 AM] Alfred Kelberry: riddle looks cute, like a little elephant :)
    [08:50 AM] Alfred Kelberry: aph :)
    [08:50 AM] Harp Signature EX: preloading...takes about 58 sec
    [08:50 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: Eos is not gonna sing then?
    [08:50 AM] Agatha Macbeth: He looks like Riddle to me...
    [08:50 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: to me too
    [08:50 AM] Alfred Kelberry: :)
    [08:51 AM] Wol Euler: brb
    [08:51 AM] Alfred Kelberry: eos is singing?
    [08:51 AM] Sunshine Vayandar looks at Eos
    [08:51 AM] Riddle Sideways: :)
    [08:51 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Play that harp sun!
    [08:51 AM] Harp Signature EX: "Himlens Polka"
    [08:51 AM] Eos Amaterasu: hmm
    [08:51 AM] Riddle Sideways: a sun harp
    [08:51 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: hmmmmmm
    [08:51 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: last music session Luci was reciting poems about the moon
    [08:51 AM] Eos Amaterasu listens to harp
    [08:51 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: were they recorded?
    [08:52 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hmm Eliza puts the log online together with hers
    [08:52 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: but you can't see what Luci said in voice
    [08:52 AM] Aphrodite Macbain feels my savage breast begins to cool
    [08:52 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: so you better come ;)
    [08:52 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: begin
    [08:52 AM] Wol Euler grins.
    [08:53 AM] Eos Amaterasu: amazon?
    [08:53 AM] Agatha Macbeth looks sideways at Aph
    [08:53 AM] Aphrodite Macbain looks sideways back and winks
    [08:53 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: was there anything else on the agenda?
    [08:53 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: I don't think so
    [08:53 AM] Agatha Macbeth: There was an agenda? :p
    [08:53 AM] Sunshine Vayandar looks at Aga
    [08:54 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: believe it or not
    [08:54 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
    [08:54 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Not a hidden one then?
    [08:54 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: probably
    [08:54 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    [08:54 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: mine is to keep dry
    [08:54 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: anyone wants the rain?
    [08:54 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: whose guitar?
    [08:54 AM] Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    [08:54 AM] Storm Nordwind waves
    [08:54 AM] Wol Euler: bye yaku
    [08:55 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    [08:55 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Yaku
    [08:55 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: byebyee Yaku ;)
    [08:55 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: ty Sun..I prefer the su:)
    [08:55 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: sun*
    [08:55 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Bye Yaku, auf wiedersehen
    [08:55 AM] iwandertoo Resident: waves
    [08:55 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: hehe Xiri
    [08:55 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: bye Yaku
    [08:55 AM] Storm Nordwind needs the rain as we have severe drought
    [08:55 AM] Riddle Sideways: ok, bye all
    [08:55 AM] Agatha Macbeth waves to rid
    [08:55 AM] Eos Amaterasu: bye all, have a good Sunday (and Canadians, tomorrow, vote!)
    [08:55 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    [08:55 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Eos, Riddle
    [08:55 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! everyone who's leaving
    [08:55 AM] Wol Euler: bye riddle, bye eos, bye whoever else leaves
    [08:55 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee all I have to go also
    [08:55 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Vote for what?
    [08:55 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: I give the log to Eliza
    [08:55 AM] Alfred Kelberry: nice guitar, bruce
    [08:55 AM] Xirana Oximoxi: ah then it's very important.. here we have storms almost every day at this time of the year:
    [08:56 AM] Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- what a challenge!
    [08:56 AM] Bruce Mowbray: Bye, everyone. . .
    [08:56 AM] Sunshine Vayandar: have a great sunday ;)
    [08:56 AM] Agatha Macbeth: Tatty bye
    [08:56 AM] Storm Nordwind waves
    [08:56 AM] Bruce Mowbray: You too, Sun!

    (I was offline [had to restart the computer, etc.], then returned to see Bruce with a guitar)

    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): wb Liz
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce, can you play?
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Nope -- just carry it around for show.
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Bruce :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): (again)
    Aphrodite Macbain: He he
    Aphrodite Macbain: Eliza- you are all in green.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Are you earth goddess?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): No Aph, she IS all green!
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah being green
    Aphrodite Macbain: (ask kermet)
    Aphrodite Macbain: It's hard to be green!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi, where is the pandemonium that was supposed to ensue today?? :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): The Green goddess
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): ok, i have to go to a lecture
    Eliza Madrigal: so sorry to have glitches... had to restart
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): thanks
    Aphrodite Macbain: pandemonium about what?
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Aphrodite Macbain: The harp soothed it away
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, wait... I see Bruce with guitar....
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): What are we doing about posting the log?
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sun had a harp
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sunshine s sending me a log....
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye alf
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Oh, ok
    Storm Nordwind waves bye...
    Aphrodite Macbain: Great
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! storm
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Agatha :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Just another laggy Sunday...
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye Storm
    Aphrodite Macbain: Good
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Bye, Aph!
    Eliza Madrigal: sheesh... yes....awful lag
    Aphrodite Macbain: Ok I'm off too
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): See you aph
    Wol Euler: take care
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks Storm!
    Wol Euler: bye aph
    Eliza Madrigal: cute Aph :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: oops sorry Bruce
    Eliza Madrigal: so sorry to be choppy today...
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Time for the dog and me to go for a long hike.
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Choppy [grin]
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hike well Brucie
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): May all have a beautiful Sunday.
    Wol Euler: bye bruce

    You silently accept 1may2011-guradian session from Sunshine Vayandar.

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye bruce and Bear
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): What's the weather like in Mieum Liz? :p
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ah, sims...
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): She's not as green as she looks
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Eliza Madrigal: this is crazy. is it just me today?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes

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