2012.04.29 08:00 - Guardian Session: Traditional Resources as theme 1, Bleu as Being Co-Chair, and Stillness as theme 2

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    This guardian meeting was posted thanks to Agatha who kindly gave Eliza her cleaned-up chat log. :) The meeting was attended by Adams, Agatha, Aphrodite, Bleu, Boxy, Bruce, Eliza, Stevenaia, Xirana, and Zen.

    Bleu: hi all again :)
    Adams Rubble: yes, hello again :)
    Zen: Hi all :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bleu how's your day been ? [grin]
    Xirana: hello again:)
    Adams Rubble: It's been a long time since we met
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Xirana: yes:))
    Bleu: my day is still very young Aggers :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I can imagine...
    Agatha Macbeth: and warm too I'll bet
    Tea ~ Earl Grey whispers: Aahhh, nothing beats a good cuppa
    Bleu goes for a second cup of coffee ... sticks hand out window .. yup .. warm :)
    Agatha Macbeth: wb Liz
    Bleu: hi Eliza wb
    Xirana: hi Eliza:)
    Eliza: Hi Everyone! Apologies for clumsy landings... on diff computer - trouble for some reason this morning
    Irish Tea whispers: Ahh tea, irish whiskey and cream....oh ya...now this is good, Agatha Macbeth.  You know they say that God invented whiskey so the Irish would not take over the world.  Well this is a fine way to serve it.
    Agatha Macbeth: I know the problem :(

    Eliza: what a wonderful theme session this morning, happy to have made it
    Eliza: I guess we can wait a bit before deciding on the theme for not this week but next, but Adams how would you frame this week's theme to carry through other sessions?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Aph :)
    Bleu: hiya Aph :)
    Eliza: Hi Aphrodite
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello all!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Sorry I missed your session Adams
    Bleu: what is the theme for this week?
    Tea ~ Earl Grey whispers: Aahhh, nothing beats a good cuppa
    Eliza: we've just finished a lovely theme session about finding inspiration in our own traditions.. Adams may be away atm

    Theme Session postedhttp://wiki.playasbeing.org/index.php?title=Chat_Logs/2012/04/2012.04.29_07:00_-_Theme_Session:_Using_One%27s_Own_Tradition_as_a_Resource

    Aphrodite Macbain: I think that might be a very interesting theme for the week
    Eliza: Bleu, want to give us a reminder about Art of Being, then we'll come back to themes? :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Aphrodite. np
    Bleu: sure, Art of Being in Motion
    Zen: Hi Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: waves at Zen
    Adams Rubble will be in and our with apologies
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Steve
    Bleu: perhaps related to this mornings theme session?
    Adams Rubble: Hello Steve
    Eliza: Hi Stevie
    Bleu: spiritual motion?
    Eliza: how so Bleu? interesting idea
    Aphrodite Macbain: waves at Stevenaia
    Bleu: moving through various traditions
    Eliza: integration as motion, fascinating
    Xirana: I go now... I'll read th log later:) nice day to all:)
    Eliza: Bye Xirana, thanks, nice to see you
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear, bye Xira
    Bleu: many ways to interpret this theme
    Xirana: bye bye:)
    Bleu: bye Xirana
    Zen: bye Xiri
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves, sorry having problems finding a seat that will let me sit
    Eliza: integration and transcendence
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Zen: Hi Steve


    Aphrodite Macbain: Were we going to have a workshop about motion?
    Bleu: perhaps we can explore this theme one week before the project
    Bleu: oh yes, sure I'd be happy to do a workshop
    Bleu: not this week ... i'll be in NYC
    Eliza smiles "a seat that will let me sit" ... maybe like a 'room of one's own'
    stevenaia Michinaga: I'm working on a collaboration piece on Motion
    Aphrodite Macbain: I would love to learn something new....
    stevenaia Michinaga: really Bleu?
    Aphrodite Macbain: can you tell us a bit about it?
    Bleu: really!
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Eliza: :))
    Aphrodite Macbain: Stevenaia
    Bleu: I'm taking my group of 20 peeps to NYC
    Bleu: so big job
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Aphrodite Macbain: you will be very busy
    Bleu: but could do a workshop following week?
    Bruce quickly turns green with envy.
    Aphrodite Macbain: but having fun
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am working with an old friend on it, she is not a guardian but intoduced Pema to me (4+ years ago)
    stevenaia Michinaga: a very good builder
    Aphrodite Macbain: listens
    Aphrodite Macbain: how will it involve motion Steve?
    Eliza: lovely idea Stevie and looks forward to hearing about Bleu's meetings
    stevenaia Michinaga: not sure yet
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: k
    stevenaia Michinaga: but she hopfully can implement the impossible
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eliza grins

    Aphrodite Macbain: I was thinking about doing something that relates to change...
    Bleu: sounds fun steve!
    Bleu: change = motion
    Agatha Macbeth: The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes time
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Bleu
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps with imbeded movies
    Bleu: nice
    Aphrodite Macbain would love to learn how to embed a movie
    Bleu: moving frames
    Eliza: :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, I would rather collablorate than learn :)
    Bleu: steve!
    Aphrodite Macbain: you can do both!
    Agatha Macbeth: Either works for me
    Aphrodite Macbain: at the same time
    stevenaia Michinaga: I'm sure I will learn something
    Eliza: sharing
    Bleu: I learn something from every collaboration :)
    Eliza: :)
    Bleu: great way to learn actually
    Aphrodite Macbain: "Everything is different ; Nothing has changed"
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, and I collaborate to learn, lessons of a good consultant, take away form a project more than you contribute
    Bleu: exactly
    Eliza: 'happiness is never reduced by being shared'

    Eliza: Shall we e choose a theme for not this week but next?
    Bruce: Does anyone know when we'll be able to build our motion projects in the dome?
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles at Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's increased?
    Bleu: which week do you mean?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think after the end of may
    Bruce: kk, thanks.
    Eliza: well this week Adams has given us an interesting topic, so the week following
    Aphrodite Macbain: Build or install Bruce?
    Bruce: Install. I meant.
    Eliza: since we meet here every 2 weeks
    Aphrodite Macbain: We can always build them on our own plot first
    Bleu: oh ok so continue with Adams theme for this week, week of April 30th?
    stevenaia Michinaga: just hide them under a blanket
    Eliza nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- has any one had a chance to look through the list of topics?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Bleu
    Eliza: maybe Adams can clarify but I'd frame it as "finding inspiration in one's own tradition/s"
    Bleu: how about motion? to help people see more interpretations?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose one could define "traditions"very broadly
    Eliza nods, or precisely -- lots of room

    Adams Rubble labeling session: "Using One's Own Tradition as a Resource"
    Eliza: Nice!
    Eliza: OK then
    Aphrodite Macbain: I would say traditionS - plural
    Adams Rubble having formatting problems posting (grrr)
    Aphrodite Macbain: since we have more than one
    Bleu: how about using many traditions as a resource?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: or using another's traditions to understand the traditions right under your nose
    Bleu: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: many of our own"
    Eliza: :) all of those seem to fit Adams frame
    stevenaia Michinaga: what Bleu said (shorter)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Using our own traditions as a r esource for life
    Eliza: there are people who go deeply into one skill their whole lives... it can be very inspiring
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have many traditions within my life- rligious, clothing, cooking ...:-)
    Eliza: or one detail of one part of one tradition :) amazing really
    Bleu: ... so seems there will be a lot to talk about this week :)
    Eliza: :)

    Eliza: So we have "motion" any other suggestions?
    Eliza: (for the following week)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Suggested Theme Topics for Discussion at the Pavilion and Elsewhere - posted April 19, 2012
    Bleu: sorry, didn't mean to push Art of Being theme :)
    Eliza: Xirana and Alfred suggested sex I think, laughs...
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good to me
    Eliza: but motion could encompass that, hah
    Bleu: hahaha!
    Eliza snorts
    Bleu: nice!

    Aphrodite Macbain: There are alot of themes listed that relate to motion.
    Eliza: that's one thing I am really enjoying... the way topics open into one another
    Xirana is Offline
    Aphrodite Macbain: Seasons, Purpose, Stillness, Time
    Eliza: ooo 'still ness and motion'
    Aphrodite Macbain: these all relate to motion
    Bleu likes that Eliza
    Aphrodite Macbain: Stillness?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I like it too
    Aphrodite Macbain: That could be our theme for May 7-13
    Zen: impermanance
    Eliza: Motion, or Stillness and Motion?

    Bleu: one could even think of "stillness" as an interpretation of Art of Being in Motion :)
    Eliza: yes :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: the opposite?
    Eliza has imagery of zen rock gardens
    Bleu: of the same?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes.
    Aphrodite Macbain: "What being still means to me"
    Aphrodite Macbain: Why stillness is important to me
    Bleu: I like "stillness"
    Aphrodite Macbain: by itself?
    Zen: 'the impossibility of stillness'
    Eliza: we can leave it open then... haha...stillnesss goes in many directions
    Bleu: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: It certainly does!
    Eliza: hah
    Bleu: stillness runs deep
    Aphrodite Macbain: or can
    Eliza: :)
    Zen: still waters...
    Bleu: :)

    Aphrodite Macbain: Great- we now have 2 themes for the next 2 weeks!
    stevenaia Michinaga: ironic, it shouldn;'t "go" anywhere
    Aphrodite Macbain: smiles

    Eliza: Aphrodite, would you or Bruce or Bleu and/or Stevie like to talk a bit about the Creative Commons meeting this week, and what is planned ahead?
    Bleu: is stillness constrained?
    Eliza: good question Bleu!
    Eliza: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: like the center of a vortex
    Bleu: WG mtg is May 9, 11:30
    stevenaia Michinaga: sure, a bit
    Bleu: open mtg?
    Aphrodite Macbain: oPerhaps Bleu or Stevenaia could...
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think it came from the retreat in Nova Scocia
    Aphrodite Macbain: the focus will be on what policy we shold have aronund protecting the copyright of the wiki
    stevenaia Michinaga: Scotia
    Eliza: It came up in, I think the 2nd round of the WG first, but was tabled
    Bleu: or whether we need to change from current copyright policy?
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Eliza
    Eliza: do we have a current policy? :)
    Bleu: yes, by default
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps w/o looking the the leagalese, the discussion should run to our thought on how and if and to what extent the wiki needs protection
    Zen: has anything happened to make this necessary?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think we dont have a policy Blue
    Bleu: yes
    Eliza: if we do, I am not sure it is generally understood, which seems important
    Bleu: by default copyright is to the creator
    Aphrodite Macbain: It was raised by Eos
    Bleu: even if not said
    Aphrodite Macbain: so we need to decide whether this is OK
    Zen: who would want to use it?
    Aphrodite Macbain: quote from it

    Eliza: has everyone seen the piece Agatha found a while ago?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no current policy ? It is there and whatever protections it has are beyond most of our comprehension
    Eliza: I think it is a good ink blot test
    Bleu: also "fair use"
    Aphrodite Macbain: use it in research material
    Bruce: http://creativecommons.org/<wbr>choose/</wbr>
    <wbr><wbr>Bruce: Here's a page that will help individuals choose which sort of license to get - - or even if we need one:
    stevenaia Michinaga: my thought is......
    Agatha Macbeth: Found what sorry?
    Bleu: it's more open than just creative commons
    Bleu: reg copyright is what we have now
    Aphrodite Macbain: Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: If you use it for anything... mention its source
    Bleu: also should consider what people have already agreed to

    Eliza: 2008.09.30 01:00 - Alternative Detox <-- this is what creative license with the logs may look like
    Eliza giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh that! :D
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh that was so funny
    Aphrodite Macbain: what was?
    Eliza: you found that on the web Agatha
    Eliza: ?
    Agatha Macbeth swats Aph
    Eliza: "first meeting with this embodiment"
    Eliza: "I 've seen that you 've come to our Drama as Beingness type a few times, from the schmooze logs"
    Agatha Macbeth: 'The Lucifer's exponent' was my favourite
    Eliza laughs
    Aphrodite Macbain: Grins- it's unintellibible
    Eliza: genius really
    Agatha Macbeth loves the schmooze logs
    Eliza: but, gives an idea of what could happen :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: I 've been touched by somebody I make n't recognise"
    Bleu: schmoozing is a noble tradition :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: Bleu,. you bring up a good point, what are everyone's expectation of what we have agreed to by putting the logs on the wiki?
    Eliza: that is a key question
    stevenaia Michinaga: is there one?
    stevenaia Michinaga: or many
    Bleu: all we've ever asked people for is perm to publish on the wiki
    Aphrodite Macbain: I suspect many
    Bleu: we've never asked their perm to have others use it
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, a messy begining
    Zen: I thought the idea of putting the wiki on the web was to allow anyone to do research?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Isuspect some have no idea of why they are printed in the frst place
    Bleu: yes, anyone can read the wiki
    Aphrodite Macbain: It does makes s look self important
    Bleu: but limited as far as using it in their own projects
    stevenaia Michinaga: whoever uses it will have their own thoughts on what it is useful for
    Zen: You could always restrict it to a password?
    Bleu: everyone has copyright on their own words
    Aphrodite Macbain: Our pearls of woisdom available for the world to benefit
    Bleu: on their own photos, etc

    Eliza: I've accepted a certain amount of risk in my own participation, and am pretty personally open
    Aphrodite Macbain: What kind of risk Eliza?
    stevenaia Michinaga: what risks do you see Eliza
    Aphrodite Macbain: snap
    Eliza: see Agatha's page :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: how is that a risk?
    stevenaia Michinaga: grumbling about fast(er) typists
    Aphrodite Macbain: risk of sounding silly?
    Eliza: sure
    Aphrodite Macbain: not too serious
    Bleu: I sent out several links that may clarify some of the options
    Eliza: I read back a lot of embarrassing things I've said.... or worse, sounding like I know things I don't
    Eliza: ;-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: what if someone finds me certifiably insane based on my comments?
    Eliza: :)
    Bleu: could happen :)
    Agatha Macbeth: They will make you a politician Steve
    Aphrodite Macbain: We can always remove what we say if we log in.
    stevenaia Michinaga: based on my knowing a few psychologist, I agree
    Aphrodite Macbain: laughs at Aggers
    Eliza: there is a context
    Eliza: my feeling though, is that openness is its own protection

    Bleu: that's also a consideration Eliza
    Bleu: context
    Eliza: and years of logging... so the source citing is important
    Bleu: and taking quotes out of context
    Eliza: and that may be all a CC asks for
    Bleu: there are several CC options
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhap we can add m layers of "conditions on its use" over time, begin simply
    Bleu: some allow for commercial use as well
    Eliza: I'd love to see PaBers make projects, but that's just me
    stevenaia Michinaga: that way we need only decide one thing at a time
    Adams Rubble queasy about commercial use
    stevenaia Michinaga whispers: demand royalties!

    stevenaia Michinaga: we will be wealthy beyond our dreams
    Bleu: one's SL identity may extend to their RL identity
    Eliza: :) we are stevie
    Zen: (doubts that )
    Eliza: wealthy here
    Adams Rubble laughs toward Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: ok, a penny a word, or a linden
    Bleu: we don't know how "wealthy" we are
    Aphrodite Macbain: This will all be discussed in the may 9 meeting
    Eliza: precisely
    Eliza: glad these things will continue to be discussed
    stevenaia Michinaga: was thinking of suport of the Sim
    Bleu checks L$'s in account
    Eliza nods Stevie... could fund projects pab related going forward

    Eliza: OK... last item... WG!
    Eliza: What news?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes?
    Aphrodite Macbain: BTW I am no longer co-chair of the WG
    Eliza: Thanks Aph
    Bleu: is Steve new chair?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Stevenaia will temporariy replace me
    Eliza: So who will lead meetings now? make agendas?
    Eliza: ah
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, thank you for your leadership the past 6 months
    Adams Rubble: Thanks for all your work Aphrodite
    Eliza: very much Aphrodite
    Aphrodite Macbain: YW
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay for aph
    Bleu: (((Aph)))
    Eliza: PaB is fortunate you are here
    stevenaia Michinaga: points to bruce, the new Co-Chair
    Aphrodite Macbain: I will continue to attend the meetings when I can however
    Eliza: more and more wealth :)
    Adams Rubble must run. Nice to see you all. take care :)
    Eliza: Bye Adams, thanks
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Adams
    Bruce: nope _I'm not the new co-chair.
    Agatha Macbeth: Run well Adams, take care
    Aphrodite Macbain: Brce?? The new co-chair??
    Bruce: nope.
    stevenaia Michinaga: old co-chair?
    Bruce: I'm recording sec.
    Eliza: heheh
    Aphrodite Macbain: The new co-chair is Steve.
    Zen: need to go too
    Zen: byee
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce is the recorder
    Eliza: Bye Zen :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: looks around for my co-chair
    Bleu: bye Zen
    Bruce: Steve and Boxy.
    stevenaia Michinaga: rut row
    Aphrodite Macbain: the other half is Boxy
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Zen
    Eliza: girl and her pup
    Aphrodite Macbain: waves at Zen
    Bleu: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yeh, boxy
    Eliza: :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: so what was the question?

    Aphrodite Macbain: You may need to decide upon a different meting time. Boxy seems to have trouble making it at 11:30
    Aphrodite Macbain: No question. i was just reminding people I am no longer co-chair
    Bleu: 11:30 hard for me also
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, hasn't mentioned anything yet
    Eliza: the question was whether you wanted to make a pitch for more volunteers or share news here
    Eliza: since many read this log
    Eliza: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: He just hasn't come to the last 2 meetings
    Bleu: so who is the new WG?
    Bleu: so far
    Agatha Macbeth: He was probably asleep :)
    Bleu: Steve, Boxy, Bruce, Aph, me?
    Aphrodite Macbain: You (:-)) Boxy Steve Bruce and me
    Bleu: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Storm observes
    Bruce: yes, those are the suspects, Bleu.
    Aphrodite Macbain: ywes storm observes and joins from time to time
    stevenaia Michinaga: Sam wonders in
    Bleu: the meeting are open to all guardians?
    Aphrodite Macbain: sam was invited to the last meeting by Bruce I believe
    Bruce: yes, they are open.
    stevenaia Michinaga: they are announced
    Eliza: anyone is invited to attend, however the WG can decide to have a closed meeting if necessary to discuss a sensitive topic
    stevenaia Michinaga: but as Aph siad, there were no volunteers after the 1st broadcast
    Aphrodite Macbain: People are usally invited when they have a particular knowledge or skill set needed for the buuuuuusiness to be addressed
    Eliza: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: sorry ticky keys
    stevenaia Michinaga: as Eos did about the specail copyright session
    Aphrodite Macbain: sticky
    Bruce: such as Eos at our last meeting -- giving knowledge about creative commons.
    Aphrodite Macbain: right
    Bruce: snap (sry).

    Eliza: so if this WG would like to make a practice of announcing beforehand they can, but truthfully on a regular basis it may be not be productive to have all meetings open at the last minute

    Bleu: so next mtg on May 9th is open and we're discussing copyright, right?

    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not sure why Sam was invited but he provides a useful perspective
    Eliza: the CC meetings seem good to have as open as possible
    stevenaia Michinaga: I suspect at the next WG meeting we will simplify by untangling the questions
    Aphrodite Macbain: If there are too many people at a meeting, things can become unmanageable
    Eliza: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: and hard for the chair to facilitate
    Eliza: exactly
    stevenaia Michinaga: I don't se crowds breaking into the mmetings
    Eliza: and that is why some topics get dropped
    Aphrodite Macbain: no :-)
    Eliza: :) Stevie
    Eliza giggles

    Bleu: can people sit and observe until the WG invites their comments?
    stevenaia Michinaga: (but we welcome anyone)
    Eliza: yes that's best
    Aphrodite Macbain: observers... yes
    Eliza: and the WG is open for people to join of course
    stevenaia Michinaga: we will give them hand rasing scripts
    stevenaia Michinaga: or those flags

    Aphrodite Macbain: Someone needs to pull all the pieces together regarding the discussion and present it so a decision can be made
    stevenaia Michinaga: wave until recognized
    Eliza: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Who can do that?
    Bruce demonstrates.
    Bleu: decision would need permission of all who have participated on the wiki
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Eliza: an "ooo oo oo pick me pick me" animation
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu is very busy; can you Stevenaia?
    Eliza smiles at Bruce

    stevenaia Michinaga: we may have to gloss over some isses to attempt to decide others
    Eliza: ah, thus your wondering about deciding in increments
    Aphrodite Macbain: Someone needs to facilitate this discussion
    stevenaia Michinaga: that would be dificult and would have to be considered if something is decised, Bleu
    Aphrodite Macbain: pull it together, present options
    stevenaia Michinaga: the chair would.. I appoint Boxy!
    Aphrodite Macbain: If he can make it...
    stevenaia Michinaga: giggles
    Agatha Macbeth seconds Boxy
    Eliza: :) sleeping chair...
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    stevenaia Michinaga: perfect
    Agatha Macbeth: poor Alfie
    Eliza: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain feels uneasy...

    Bleu: I think it's also important to review what is already in place
    Eliza: yes
    Eliza: to me that seems where we are
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes Bleu exactly and present the options clearly
    stevenaia Michinaga: what is already in place?
    Eliza: exactly
    Eliza: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol

    Bleu: default is standard copyright
    Aphrodite Macbain: automatic copyright
    Bleu: each person owns their own words/photos
    Aphrodite Macbain: whatever that means
    stevenaia Michinaga: does anyone understand what that is?
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: therein lies our problem
    Bleu: yes, people can't use without perm
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds clear enough to me, yes
    Bleu: unless "fair use"
    Aphrodite Macbain: Eos needs to be invited to this meeting

    Bruce: OK... Here's a hypothetical. . . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: so in an unual case 20+ people own the copyright to a large session?
    Agatha Macbeth: What is 'fair use' exactly?
    Aphrodite Macbain: listens to bruce
    Bruce: Someone puts a URL into the chat -- and I go to that site..
    Bruce: and I copy/paste text from that site into the chat.
    Bruce: What then?
    Bruce: This actually ahppens a lot.
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s done often
    Aphrodite Macbain: nods.
    Bleu: yes, in a collaborative work either everyone owns together or each own their own portion
    Bruce: Who owns what I have just copy/pasted into the chat?
    Agatha Macbeth: That's apoint - what about links?
    Aphrodite Macbain: are we contravening anything?
    Eliza nods... we do have a quilt making pattern of sharing
    Bruce: I did that last week -- with Samuo's link on Idiot Compassion.
    Bruce: (Pema Chodron -- I copy/pasted thre things from her site.
    Aphrodite Macbain: sounds interesting
    Bruce: Do I go to jail now?
    Eliza: yes but you attributed?
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like" fair use"
    Eliza: we generally do give links
    Bruce: Yes, it was attributed...

    Bleu: not always enough to attribute
    Eliza: and things change, but we operate under "due dilligence"
    Bleu: depends on the copyright
    boxy: ok, i'm late
    stevenaia Michinaga: boxy's ears were ringing
    Aphrodite Macbain: I think the fact that the text was in Public domain to begin with means it can be copied
    Agatha Macbeth: Good evening Alfred :p
    boxy: hi :)
    Eliza: yes Boxy, you must have heard us
    Bruce: Hey, speak of the Box!!
    boxy's nose: stevenaia Michinaga pokes boxy's nose
    Bleu: not so Aph
    Eliza: right on time to close the meeting, haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: listens to Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    boxy: ah, pondering copyrights
    Aphrodite Macbain: no?
    Eliza: but will stick around to hear Bleu
    boxy's nose: Agatha Macbeth gently squeezes boxy's nose

    Bleu: even public things can be copyright
    Aphrodite Macbain: even on the web?
    Bleu: should assume so unless stated otherwise
    Bleu: unless listed as creative commons
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm particularly puzzled by this 'fair use' business
    Bleu: giving permission to use
    boxy: pab wiki isn't in public domain
    Aphrodite Macbain: we sould assuuuuuuume we dont have permission to copy Bleu?
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Fair_use</wbr>
    <wbr><wbr>Agatha Macbeth: ty Steve
    Bleu: only copyright holders can give permission via CC to let others use
    stevenaia Michinaga: if so stated
    Bleu: yes Aph

    Bruce: This whole thing sounds stickier than Aph's "u".
    Aphrodite Macbain: Do we want our stuff to be copied?
    Bleu: of course "fair use" allows certain uses of others works
    Aphrodite Macbain: grins
    stevenaia Michinaga: can we stop it Alph
    boxy: i don't :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: fair as in not for making money
    Agatha Macbeth: The reason I ask is a SL friend got into a big houha about this very subject recently
    Aphrodite Macbain: not for profit=fair se?
    Bleu: CC is a lisence to use
    Bleu: no Aph

    Eliza: :) can see the discussion is going to continue for a while in various components
    Aphrodite Macbain: if something is copywriten with the little "c" it means we need permission to us
    Bleu: only copyright holders can issue that lisence
    Aphrodite Macbain: use
    stevenaia Michinaga: fair use is an American term, what about the rest of the world
    Aphrodite Macbain: So I automatically have copyright on everything i publish?

    Bruce: so, for the next WG meeting: (1) What is current policy of PaB/Kira; (2) Is more needed; (3) If so, what are options; (3) Decision for one of those options
    Bleu: so in essence everyone who has created the wiki owns the copyright and so everyone should agree to change it
    Aphrodite Macbain: Yes Bruce- sounds good.
    Bruce: (4) decision -- can't count this morning.
    Bleu: yes Aph
    boxy: blue, that's what i said in my very first email :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Bleu: I should add ... in US
    boxy: which no one read... :)
    Bleu: other countries different
    boxy's nose: Agatha Macbeth pokes boxy's nose
    Aphrodite Macbain: then why do I have to write that c thingy?
    Bleu: you don't anymore
    Bleu: in US
    Aphrodite Macbain: oh!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Ah OK
    Bleu: it's now the default
    Aphrodite Macbain: All over the world?
    Bleu: no
    Agatha Macbeth: That's good to know
    Bleu: other countries different
    boxy: enjoying your coffee in the evening, aga? :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Boxy, you are co-chair of WG w/ moi (if you didn;t know)

    Aphrodite Macbain: Wow. But if it's on the web it isn't in any country
    Agatha Macbeth: It's tea dear ;-)
    Bleu: that's where it gets tricky Aph

    Bruce: Sry, but I must go help demolishing crew -- just arrived.
    stevenaia Michinaga: have fun Bruce
    Eliza: I must go as well
    boxy: stev, i decided to resign and downgrade myself to observers :)
    Eliza: Thanks Bruce, everyone
    Aphrodite Macbain: Take photos Bruce!
    Agatha Macbeth: Have fun Brucie, wreck well
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Bruce: Photos you shall have!
    Bleu: the wiki text does originate within LL, a US country
    boxy: will swap with bleu

    stevenaia Michinaga: eeek, that means I'm the only one left
    Eliza: :)
    Eliza: like when everyone steps back
    boxy: you'll have blue as a co-chair
    boxy's nose: stevenaia Michinaga slowly strokes boxy's wet nose
    Eliza: Bleu is a natural co-chair
    Aphrodite Macbain: Boxy is co-chair
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    boxy: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Boxy resigns
    boxy: aph, scroll up :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Oh rats

    Bleu looks away for a second and comes back to co-chair?

    Eliza: boxy wants to be pup sleeping under table
    stevenaia Michinaga: giggles, bleu volunterred
    Eliza giggles at Bleu
    stevenaia Michinaga: yeh Bleu
    boxy: eliza, in aph's lap :)
    Bleu: darn puppies :)
    Eliza: :) boxy
    Agatha Macbeth: He's a sleeping partner ;-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu- are you OK with this?
    stevenaia Michinaga: never ask, Aph!!
    Bleu: sure, as long as Steve does most of the heavy lifting :)
    Eliza: pandeWGamonium
    Aphrodite Macbain: tickles Boxy's ears
    boxy's nose: Bleu licks boxy's nose
    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, sure thing, we can talk about time change when it;s convenient
    Agatha Macbeth: Alf are you wearing a facelight or something?
    boxy: ok, i will fix the wiki page to reflect the wg team change
    boxy: no
    Eliza: so Stevie makes / posts agenda
    Agatha Macbeth: You look bleached to me
    Bleu: perhaps through email re: time
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu?
    stevenaia Michinaga: bruce and I will work on that
    Eliza: OK... yes new WG to be posted by Alf (action)
    stevenaia Michinaga: okies
    Eliza: Thanks everyone
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay
    stevenaia Michinaga: and leave, I like that Eliza
    Bleu: ok, done?
    Eliza: :)
    boxy: wait!!!
    Eliza: finis

    Bleu: homework: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/<wbr>Copyright_and_Fair_Use_<wbr>Overview/index.html</wbr></wbr>

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