2019.02.02 13:00 - Polar Vortex, Groundhog Day, and the Bar area

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.


    --BELL--


    Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Riddle.
    Riddle Sideways: Howdeeeee Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: :)))
    Bruce Mowbray: I have a meteorological question for you.
    Riddle Sideways: eating lunch and checking on you
    Riddle Sideways: ok
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, I probably need checking on, so thanks.
    Riddle Sideways: am not a Weather Person
    Bruce Mowbray: kk, as you know, the Midwest has endured four brutally cold days this week.
    Riddle Sideways: there was a group named the Weathermen
    Riddle Sideways: yes, sorry about that
    Bruce Mowbray: that was caused by a polar vortex.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, my question is this:
    Bruce Mowbray: why couldn't the West Coast also experience polar vortexes?
    Bruce Mowbray: (where the damage would be FARRR worse than in the Midwest.)
    Riddle Sideways: hmmm, by definition it could
    Bruce Mowbray: I think so too.
    Bruce Mowbray: I have a friend who told me the West Coast would not have them because of the north-south mountain ranges.
    Riddle Sideways: and now thinking back, think there have been vortexes off the west oceans
    Bruce Mowbray: There have?
    Bruce Mowbray: over the Pacific, then?
    Riddle Sideways: kinda remembering something like that
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
    Riddle Sideways: was not really called a Polar
    Riddle Sideways: but, think it was a vortex that stalled
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, I did some research and it turns out that vortexes are caused about 30 miles up - in the stratosphere....
    Riddle Sideways: and hard of normal weather-wind patterns to go around them
    Bruce Mowbray: The warming of the arctic causes that layer to be disturbed in such a way that the jet stream gets floppy.
    Bruce Mowbray: and the floppy jet stream brings in the polar vortex.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, I don't see how that wouldn't happen in California.
    Riddle Sideways: might not be over the Rockies, but out in the ocean should be able to happen-form
    Bruce Mowbray: My friend's son has purchased land in southern Oregon that he intends to use for vineyards and wine making. . . .
    Bruce Mowbray: and he was praising his son for this -- BECAUSE, or so he said, there could be no polar vortexes in Oregon.
    Bruce Mowbray: and I challenged him on that.
    Bruce Mowbray: Theoretically, the warmer the arctic waters get, the more vortexes we will get.
    Riddle Sideways: the both of you have thought it through
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, I was not rude with him, but I really don't think he thought it through.
    Riddle Sideways: and what about the Southern pole?
    Bruce Mowbray: He was saying it was because of the mountain ranges -- which actually have nothing to do with it.


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    Bruce Mowbray: (also, he was saying it was because of the coriolis effect).
    Bruce Mowbray: Probably the same could happen with the south pole, eventually.
    Bruce Mowbray: But the seas will have risen about 100 feet by then.
    Bruce Mowbray: It is due to the warming up of the Arctic Ocean.
    Bruce Mowbray: Amazing the temperature shifts.
    Bruce Mowbray: Last night we were below zero and tomorrow we'll be in the high 50's.
    Riddle Sideways: was off searching. most results are for current news
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: NPR had an excellent article.. let me see if I can find it.
    Riddle Sideways: heard somebody this morning about the sudden warm coming to East
    Riddle Sideways: huge swings
    Bruce Mowbray: OK, here's the article explaining what causes the vortexes. It wasn't NPR it was PBS:
    Bruce Mowbray: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/trumps-tweets-about-the-polar-vortex-could-be-a-warmup-for-2020
    Riddle Sideways: Then there is POTUS who wrote he wanted global WARMing to come back and warm the midweat
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, this article refers to that.
    Riddle Sideways: thanks
    Riddle Sideways: for later
    Bruce Mowbray: But since 1990, Arctic temperatures have risen, known as Arctic amplification. That has coincided with longer and more frequent bouts of below freezing temperatures during North American and European winters. Cohen and other scientists cite chaos in the polar vortex as the link between these trends, and they have noticed other strange patterns within the disruptions themselves. “Looking back to the 1950s,” Cohen said, the polar vortexes are “kind of evenly divided between splits and displacements. But for some reason, all of them since 2009 have all been splits.” Over this time period, the Arctic has also experienced some of its hottest temperatures on record. Cohen and company think the loss of sea ice, which helps keep heat trapped on the planet’s surface, has accelerated this warming — and may explain why vortex disruptions have impacted North America, Europe or Asia during six of the last 10 winters.
    Bruce Mowbray: It is a very well-written article.
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Includes demographics of who "believes" in climate change and who does not.
    Bruce Mowbray: Turns out that Tronald Dump's base has the MOST to lose, but “believes” in global warming least.
    Riddle Sideways: ah
    Bruce Mowbray: Ha ha.
    Bruce Mowbray: Mostly the Midwesterners.
    Riddle Sideways: oh and the Palm Beachers rich people
    Bruce Mowbray: “The dominant cost to the economy of climate change is [human] mortality from excessive heat,” said David Victor, co-chair of the Cross-Brookings Initiative on Energy and Climate and co-author of the report. Heat will not only harm crops in these areas, but the labor supply as well, due to outdoor workers being exposed to heat stroke. The Southwest faces a similar dilemma with drought in the long-term, while Texas, Florida and the Southeast have the added threats of rising sea levels and intensifying hurricanes.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, rising sea levels at Palm Beach and Miami.
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye bye, Mara Lago !
    Bruce Mowbray: "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature."
    Bruce Mowbray: (from a margarine ad of the 60's? 70's?)
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: So, did Eliza ever get the links problem worked out?
    Bruce Mowbray: (with the wiki)
    Bruce Mowbray: I had no problem putting in links, myself.
    Riddle Sideways: just read Eliza singled out email
    Bruce Mowbray: I think she is referring to a different part of the wiki.
    Bruce Mowbray: The chat logs don't seem to have that problem.
    Riddle Sideways: not the groaning at Pirate movies


    --BELL--


    Bruce Mowbray: Ha ha.
    Bruce Mowbray: Also, she might be referring to links in the meta (one level up) monthly lists...
    Bruce Mowbray: not the links inside individual chat logs.
    Bruce Mowbray: She was not clear about that.
    Riddle Sideways: one of the first ones said special sessions page
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I recall that now.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, she's referring to a meta-links page.
    Bruce Mowbray: (not to individual lines in a chat log).
    Riddle Sideways: personally, have not taken a photo and put it in a log in many months = lazy
    Riddle Sideways: was making lunch and heard a Donovan song, thought to come check on you
    Bruce Mowbray: I should probably be more discrete about my pirating.
    Riddle Sideways: reporting that Thursday was run errands day
    Riddle Sideways: missed the book session
    Riddle Sideways: and still not read it
    Bruce Mowbray: I had mentioned "Happiness Runs in a Circular Motion"
    Bruce Mowbray: (Donovan)
    Riddle Sideways: yep
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: I went into that log and deleted my bragging about piracy.
    Riddle Sideways: was there good discussion of getting happy satisfied?
    Bruce Mowbray: also put in a link for the Donovan song.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it was a fairly good discussion.
    Bruce Mowbray: I think Max Tegmark does a better job of explaining AI and happiness than Harari does, but we're not reading Tegmark.
    Bruce Mowbray: Tegmark's "Life 3.0" is a fantastic book.
    Riddle Sideways: had lots to say about the Enough-ness of the Ultra-orthodox Israelis
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Harari did.
    Riddle Sideways: got the talk from a Cab driver the first day on the way from the airport
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you remember the Replicator in Star Trek's Next Generation?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, remember it well
    Bruce Mowbray: The cab drive was talking about Harari?
    Riddle Sideways: no, about the ultra-orthodox non-working population
    Bruce Mowbray: OK.
    Bruce Mowbray: That was a new one for me.
    Bruce Mowbray: I had not realized that they had an average of 7 kids per family.
    Riddle Sideways: it is quite a society
    Bruce Mowbray: I can imagine.
    Riddle Sideways: the whole country
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: Have you been to Israel?
    Riddle Sideways: Every person no matter, served some time in Military
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, similar to Switzerland in that regard.
    Bruce Mowbray: I've been to Switzerland but not to Israel.
    Bruce Mowbray: I think I'd be afraid to go to Israel.
    Riddle Sideways: then even the unemployed get a little stipend
    Riddle Sideways: why?
    Bruce Mowbray: Terrorism.
    Riddle Sideways: nice place
    Bruce Mowbray: I'd be paranoid about scud missiles overhead.
    Riddle Sideways: maybe on one street corner that day
    Bruce Mowbray: I've heard it is a delightful country.
    Bruce Mowbray: and the movies I've seen about it are also delightful, for the most part.
    Riddle Sideways: take the desert and make a garden out of it
    Bruce Mowbray nods.
    Bruce Mowbray: I have no fear whatsoever of New York City, though – which is probably more a target than Israel.
    Riddle Sideways: have even helped Jordan with their deserts
    Riddle Sideways: so is hard to see the border line anymore
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh!
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, the border between Jordan and Israel is peaceful, no?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, NYC can be more scary
    Bruce Mowbray nods, agrees.
    Riddle Sideways: yes peaceful
    Bruce Mowbray: But I've never been scared to be in NYC.
    Bruce Mowbray: even though there have been a few recent terrorist attacks there.
    Bruce Mowbray: (within the past few years, I mean.)


    --BELL--


    Bruce Mowbray: Oh! I forgot to wish you a Happy Groundhog Day!
    Riddle Sideways: oh thanks
    Bruce Mowbray: Do you know if Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow this morning?

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/groundhog-day-punxsutawney-phil-prediction/index.html


    Riddle Sideways: reminds to call sister
    Riddle Sideways: nope
    Bruce Mowbray: :)
    Bruce Mowbray ponders having a groundhog for a sister.
    Riddle Sideways: did it even come out on a cold day
    Riddle Sideways: text lag
    Bruce Mowbray: They force it to come out, I think.
    Bruce Mowbray: But VERY COLD indeed in Pennsylvania this morning.
    Riddle Sideways: saw the play Groundhog's Day in NYC
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh?
    Bruce Mowbray: Was the plot the same as the movie?
    Riddle Sideways: same day was hit by a speeding bicycle
    Bruce Mowbray: OMG.
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Bruce Mowbray: Ouch!
    Riddle Sideways: same plot.
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    Bruce Mowbray: I usually watch the movie every year on Groundhog Day.
    Riddle Sideways: the walk traffic light went green, stepped off curb and wham
    Bruce Mowbray: There is a theater in Columbus that is running the movie all day - continuously for 24 hours,
    Riddle Sideways: nice
    Bruce Mowbray: and is giving free season tickets for a whole year to anyone who stays the whole 24 hours.
    Riddle Sideways: giggles
    Bruce Mowbray: heh heh.
    Bruce Mowbray: Cute idea, I thought.
    Bruce Mowbray: Over and over and over....
    Riddle Sideways: there was a movie long ago "They shoot horses, don't they"
    Bruce Mowbray: That's how Nietzsche thought we spend out after-lives, you know.
    Riddle Sideways: about dancing contests
    Bruce Mowbray: Reliving our life over and over.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I remember that one.
    Bruce Mowbray: and "Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner"
    Riddle Sideways: waiting for Goddoh
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Bruce Mowbray: I need to leave early for a meditation session called "Power of Eight"
    Bruce Mowbray: Would you care to join us?
    Riddle Sideways: the sun is out tempting us to go out again
    Riddle Sideways: it did that an hour ago
    Bruce Mowbray: Dear friends. Please join us for a Power of 8 Group intention meditation at the Zen Gardens ( Oligard (126,88,301) ) This week the target is an event/situation. We are going to target conflict. So please come and join this amazing healing meditation that will not only benefit conflicting situations but also you as a person. We start in 15 minutes. See you soon!
    Riddle Sideways: and rained just after getting out there
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear.
    Bruce Mowbray: I see that the Bar Area is getting a LOT of rain.
    Bruce Mowbray: Bay Area*
    Bruce Mowbray: perhaps also the Bar area.
    Bruce Mowbray: OK. Must be going. Stay dry, Riddle.
    Riddle Sideways: oh, maybe not hang in the bar area today
    Riddle Sideways: ok, thanks
    Bruce Mowbray: Sounds good to me!
    Riddle Sideways: ba by
    Bruce Mowbray: ba by
    Riddle Sideways: probably Baa By

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