2019.02.05 11:30 - Dream Session: Miracle Seeking, Questioning Reality, and the Man Who Never Was

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    Attending were Alma, Tura, Zen, Eliza, Agatha, and Zen.

     

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    Eliza Madrigal: Hiya!
    Riddle Sideways: Hye
    Riddle Sideways: just got a notice
    Riddle Sideways: ㋡
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hope all is well for you
    Riddle Sideways: mostly
    Riddle Sideways: is all well for you?
    Eliza Madrigal: same category ^.^
    Eliza Madrigal: Are you planning to participate in the art project?
    Riddle Sideways: was.   and started.  and maybe
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Riddle Sideways: first few attempts were not so good
    Eliza Madrigal: I've made some progress... still some to go
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, same
    Riddle Sideways: backing back to picking another artwork
    Eliza Madrigal: at least your building/etc. skills are good
    Riddle Sideways: wha?  no they aren't
    Eliza Madrigal: that means you can probably manage a few in the time it takes me to put together half of one
    Eliza Madrigal: yes they are, you've done all kinds of things!


    Riddle Sideways: the bots got invite to a dance party this saturday
    Riddle Sideways: so have to work on them
    Eliza Madrigal: how great :)
    Eliza Madrigal: are they ready to charm?
    Riddle Sideways: no
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: you can tell them Eliza says they are delightful and she knows they have it in them
    Riddle Sideways: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Riddle Sideways: they know about Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: they seem to, hah (Riddle's bots say all kinds of things when you encounter them, giving impression of familiarity)
    Riddle Sideways: the original Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :) So Eliza will have even more weight
    Riddle Sideways: and Alice
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Riddle Sideways: they admire you
    Riddle Sideways: aspire to be you
    Eliza Madrigal: they are way ahead already

    Eliza Madrigal: brb, want to put on tea quickly (wonder if you're having lunch)
    Riddle Sideways: going to get lunch

    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): hi Eliza, Riddle, Tura
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alma, Tura :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Riddle is getting lunch
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Tura Brezoianu: hi Eliza ... I don't see Alma here.
    Tura Brezoianu: or Riddle
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, she's to your right, and Riddle is right in front of you
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala) waves her arms
    Eliza Madrigal: you may need to relog, or play with draw distances/complexity?
    Eliza Madrigal: that happens to me, but usually one person missing
    Riddle Sideways: ok, back, gotz lunch
    Riddle Sideways: Hi All
    Tura Brezoianu: I'll relog. I'm only seeing them in chat .
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): that happens to me sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha, wb Tura
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): hi Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
    Eliza Madrigal: I have to run back to pour tea. I keep forgetting it since kids talked me into a fancier kettle that lights up blue, but doesn't whistle >gasp<   brb
    Riddle Sideways: Great, Aggers is here
    Tura Brezoianu: hi again
    Agatha Macbeth: Think Zen's gone to the wrong place again
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay here he is
    Zen (zen.arado): soryy forgot
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay back. All clear now Tura?
    Agatha Macbeth: Are you bald Tu?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    Zen (zen.arado): Hi Eliza :) Hi all
    Riddle Sideways: Hail!!!   it is hailing here
    Eliza Madrigal: really love Tura's pockets, filled with project materials :)

     

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    Eliza Madrigal: invisible to me too, actually
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh where is he
    Eliza Madrigal: what a weird day
    Tura Brezoianu: I can't see Zen either
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you see you, Zen?
    Tura Brezoianu: He's on my left, his name shows when I mouseover the place
    Agatha Macbeth: I can cam in on an empty cushion
    Zen (zen.arado): yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Lemme relog
    Eliza Madrigal: starting to feel like a seance
    Tura Brezoianu: I see Zen's voice dot!
    Eliza Madrigal: you are more tuned in I guess :)
    Eliza Madrigal: your previous experience crossing over must have imparted a gift
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay, verdict, Agatha?
    Agatha Macbeth: Now I see you :)
    Agatha Macbeth: SL must be playing silly buggers
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay, guess I'll try once too, brb
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice dress Liz
    Riddle Sideways: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks :)
    Eliza Madrigal: great, everyone is here now :)


    Agatha Macbeth: Think we're all here and visible now
    Eliza Madrigal: fantastic!
    Eliza Madrigal: who has a 'report'?
    Riddle Sideways: can go without seeing zen
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Riddle Sideways: sorry
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen (zen.arado): used to being invisible :(
    Eliza Madrigal: oh dear... lol
    Agatha Macbeth: The invisible man
    Zen (zen.arado): I have some stuff to post
    Eliza Madrigal: great, want to start then?
    Zen (zen.arado): if you want it now
    Zen (zen.arado): kk


    Zen (zen.arado): Asking the Core Questions

    There are two questions that are the fundamental pillars of the Dream Tending system and distinguish Dream Tending from all other methods of dreamwork. Simple as they may first appear, these questions shatter decades of cultural conditioning, breaking through the prevailing zeitgeist of reductive literalism. These questions are “Who is visiting now?” and “What is happening here?”

    Zen (zen.arado): These questions replace the more familiar “What does this dream mean?” or “Why did this happen?” It is really very simple. This tiny change in orientation shifts our consciousness completely. No longer are we playing detective, trying to solve a puzzle with our logical mind. When we ask, “Who” we invite the living image into active dialogue. It is similar to meeting a new person; we wonder who they are, not what they “mean.” Getting interested in the person (Who is visiting now?) invites him or her to come forward and encourages open expression. Interrogating a visitor (What do you mean?) creates defensiveness and stops friendly interaction.

    Zen (zen.arado): The question “What is happening here?” evokes curiosity. We wonder about the activity of the dream figure and notice how it interacts with us. When we get curious about what is going on in the dream (What is happening?), the dream figure also gets interested and comes to life. Cross-examining persons of a dream (Why are you here?) makes them clam up, just as any of us would.

    Aizenstat, Stephen. Dream Tending: Awakening to the Healing Power of Dreams (pp. 33-34). Spring Journal, Inc.. Kindle Edition
    Zen (zen.arado): done


    Riddle Sideways: oh! thought that was Your report-words
    Zen (zen.arado): I think this makes it more clear
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): Interesting. I like this
    Zen (zen.arado): That the figure in the dream is actually a person?
    Eliza Madrigal: >> When we ask, “Who” we invite the living image into active dialogue. It is similar to meeting a new person; we wonder who they are, not what they “mean.” <<
    Eliza Madrigal: That's true most of the time
    Zen (zen.arado): remember we were discussing that last week?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, you think this brings clarity to that question Zen?
    Zen (zen.arado): I think so
    Zen (zen.arado): but I assumed it was a person when others seem to think that could be anything?
    Eliza Madrigal: I was thinking that we each probably have a slightly different way about it
    Eliza Madrigal: just like story genres
    Zen (zen.arado): Yes we were talking about archetypes last week


    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I like the idea that somebody is visiting us through our dreams
    Riddle Sideways: not us visiting them
    Zen (zen.arado): sometimes the figures in my dreams are pretty anonymous
    Eliza Madrigal: NPC?
    Zen (zen.arado): maybe that's why I need to ask "who is this?
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): the person who is visiting might not be directly visible in the dream, but is there behind the scenes
    Agatha Macbeth: Non player character
    Agatha Macbeth: (As in video game)
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Riddle Sideways: or SL
    Zen (zen.arado): Glad you said that Agatha :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Riddle Sideways: more likely this is a Master player pulling some strings behind the curtain
    Agatha Macbeth: One knows these things
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes 'what does this person mean' does seem appropriate to me, but Alma's notion sounds more magical
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain'
    Riddle Sideways: the Wizard of Your Oz
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeppers


    Eliza Madrigal: Has anyone here ever had the experience of having a dream conversion that cleared the air with someone, or made a connection, that then translated to RL?
    Zen (zen.arado): I don't have long conversations in my dreams, not that I can remember anyway
    Riddle Sideways: not really, but have called somebody in RL aabout a dream and gotten the 'you are crazy' response
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen (zen.arado): I remember that I was talking to someone but not what we were saying
    Eliza Madrigal: I've had this experience a few times, and always wonder whether the dream helped me to be more open when then seeing them, or whether we did somehow converse
    Zen (zen.arado): it all comes back to my poor dream recall
    Eliza Madrigal: I try to think it was the former, but if I'm honest, it *feels* more like the latter ::shrug::

    Zen (zen.arado): it doesn't matter what you did if you can't remember it
    Riddle Sideways: good point
    Eliza Madrigal: well, sometimes you remember after
    Eliza Madrigal: I think it does matter
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe rarely though
    Riddle Sideways: some short Q & A can be recalled
    Zen (zen.arado): yes maybe it matters because it has changed us somehow but we don't know what it did consciously
    Eliza Madrigal: or just the feeling of encounter?
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Zen (zen.arado): maybe we aren't meant to know sometimes


    Riddle Sideways: "Why are all those people going in there?"
    Zen (zen.arado): it's like our brain is doing repair work to our psyche
    Riddle Sideways: "go find out"
    Eliza Madrigal: :))


    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I've had dreams where I couldn't recall anything that happened, but it left me with a definite feeling quality
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): like something significant happened, even though I couldn't recall what it involved
    Riddle Sideways: a lot of those this week, Alma
    Zen (zen.arado): isn't that annoying though Alma
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I think those are very significant, though we may not remember exact details to share them, even with ourselves :))
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): frustrating, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: A lot, Riddle? Care to say more?


    Riddle Sideways: reviewing journal.  5 of 7 nights =  some images, but not recalled now
    Eliza Madrigal: but with some feeling?
    Riddle Sideways: yes, some feeling
    Riddle Sideways: feeling there was a big dream
    Riddle Sideways: or there was metal signs


    Eliza Madrigal: ah
    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if sometimes subconscious works on something for a while... sort of, drip drip drip... then it breaks through into a more vivid dream
    Eliza Madrigal: so when we have recurring dreams, it is just being a little more tuned in to the process
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): very possible, Eliza
    Riddle Sideways: and all we get are the drippings
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehehe
    Eliza Madrigal: Did you have a chance to consider your dream from last week more, Tura?
    Eliza Madrigal: that was quite deep and layered


    Tura Brezoianu: Yes, I've contemplated it a bit, and tried to apply the exercises to it.
    Tura Brezoianu: But what he describes as the dream or its characters "coming alive" doesn't really happen.
    Agatha Macbeth: :(
    Eliza Madrigal: they don't want to 'say more'?
    Agatha Macbeth: Pity
    Tura Brezoianu: I don't get the sense of something acting independently of me.
    Eliza Madrigal: I think it can't be all in our will. Maybe the dream contains everything, rather than needing to unpack more, sometimes?
    Zen (zen.arado): I think this all takes time
    Tura Brezoianu: I'll carry on with it.
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice, let us know :)

    Zen (zen.arado): our  dreams aren't used to us being interested in them
    Riddle Sideways: maybe not 'acting independently' as much as acting on a deeper level of you
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Zen, used to being invisible? ^.^
    Zen (zen.arado): :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: intriguing comment, Riddle

    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): this approach seems similar to another Jungian method called "active imagination". ... might be worth looking into that for pointers on how to get the process moving
    Eliza Madrigal: Isn't that actually what he called one section?
    Zen (zen.arado): probably some arranged techniques are derived from Jung
    Zen (zen.arado): of these
    Eliza Madrigal wonders if our dream journals should look more like Red Books
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen (zen.arado): maybe I am recording  these dreams the wrong way
    Zen (zen.arado): should be concentrating more on feelings than recording the actual details
    Zen (zen.arado): wonders what red books are
    Eliza Madrigal: or be flexible to see what each dream itself suggests
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): Jung had long imaginary conversations with a dream figure named Philemon
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): http://philemonfoundation.org/<wbr/>about-philemon/who-is-<wbr/>philemon/
    Zen (zen.arado): thanks Alma
    Tura Brezoianu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr/>The_Red_Book_(Jung)
    Agatha Macbeth: I know the little one :p
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): thank you Tura
    Zen (zen.arado): TY Tura
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It is interesting to read all the ways he tried to directly explore
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe a process natural for an apprentice who is having intuitions that differ from his teacher's?

    Zen (zen.arado): this is all getting me more interested in psychology
    Eliza Madrigal: Anyway, a side issue, but interesting :) the images he drew out were elaborate
    Eliza Madrigal: you didn't delve into psychology when studying philosophy, Zen?
    Zen (zen.arado): it has nothing to do with psychology  really
    Zen (zen.arado): I don't think so anyway
    Zen (zen.arado): unless there is a philosophy of psychology
    Zen (zen.arado): there are so many different branches of philosophy you couldn't be sure
    Zen (zen.arado): but I was doing political  philosophy mostly at the end
    Eliza Madrigal nods


    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): psychology was originally a branch of philosophy
    Zen (zen.arado): all disciplines branch into each other and somewheres I guess
    Zen (zen.arado): yes that's true Alma
    Zen (zen.arado): but they became very different I think
    Tura Brezoianu: It's said that everything's a branch of philosophy, until it starts discovering real things and making progress.
    Riddle Sideways: ㋡
    Zen (zen.arado): oh
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): there are still some areas of psychology that relate closely to philosophy ... e.g. phenomenological psychology
    Tura Brezoianu: But maybe that's too cynical.
    Zen (zen.arado): :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: philosophy seems to be making some leaps, whereas for a while they should have always called it history of philosophy
    Zen (zen.arado): everyone thinks philosophy is abstract and unreal but many of the issues are very important and down-to-earth
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): two of my favorite psychologists made significant contributions to philosophy as well: William James and Eugene Gendlin
    Zen (zen.arado): it's mainly just about looking at arguments and developing clear thinking
    Zen (zen.arado): yes
    Eliza Madrigal: we had a light phenomenology emphasis in the group for a while, which was really practical
    Zen (zen.arado): I did some pragmatic philosophy which William James developed with a couple of other guys
    Eliza Madrigal: I did read James at some point and remember being impressed, but then he somehow submerged back into a sea of names
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen (zen.arado): biomedical ethics is a very important philosophy which deals with the ethics of life and death in medical practice
    Eliza Madrigal: can't get more practical than that!
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): there is a whole field of environmental ethics and ecophilosophy
    Zen (zen.arado): yes
    Zen (zen.arado): somebody has to think of the deeper meaning behind what's going on rather than just deal with firefighting
    Zen (zen.arado): anyway
     

    Riddle Sideways: was thinking about the State of the Union address tonight?
    Riddle Sideways: looking at arguments and developing clear thinking
    Eliza Madrigal: I will be doing my hair :P (or posting this log)
    Zen (zen.arado): trump is a great philosopher :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: He is?
    Riddle Sideways: or sorting the sock drawer
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll watch Stacey Abrams afterward though
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I will be doing anything other than watch that bag of hot air
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): Trump I mean
    Riddle Sideways: he says he is the Greatest Philosopher
    Riddle Sideways: ever
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen (zen.arado): he is the greatest everything ever
    Agatha Macbeth: Must ask Rhiannon about that
    Eliza Madrigal: at some point the absurdity will be interesting to talk about... when he is at a safe distance from power
    Riddle Sideways: please report that answer, Ag
    Agatha Macbeth: :P
    Zen (zen.arado): I think Rhiannon would support Trump
    Eliza Madrigal: Has she had sessions lately Agatha?
    Zen (zen.arado): she is very right-wing
    Zen (zen.arado): surprisingly
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, still going stong
    Agatha Macbeth: Friday and Sunday at 1 I think
    Zen (zen.arado): I used to wonder she was just being controversial
    Eliza Madrigal: there are blurs between libertarian/anarchy thinking people ...
    Eliza Madrigal: who think they are just rushing the collapse of a bad system
    Zen (zen.arado): it's all so complicated
    Zen (zen.arado): nearly as bad as Brexit
    Riddle Sideways: nearly
    Eliza Madrigal nods, but also simple. Is he a racist? yes? bye
    Riddle Sideways: a bag of hot air
    Eliza Madrigal: sigh :::breathe::::

    Eliza Madrigal: there is a philosophy based TV show really popular atm... watch it with my daughter. Ridiculous, but also profound in some ways...
    Eliza Madrigal: called The Good Place
    Zen (zen.arado): what do they discuss?
    Eliza Madrigal: it focuses on works like "What We Owe to Each Other"
    Riddle Sideways: The Good Place
    Tura Brezoianu: I think I've heard of that, is it the drama series about someone accidentally admitted to Heaven and then has to live up to it?
    Eliza Madrigal: the premise is that the group arrives, thinking that they are in a kind of heaven. There are a lot of reincarnation themes
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Zen (zen.arado): Is it on Netflix?
    Eliza Madrigal: I didn't like it the first few episodes cause it felt slap-sticky.... not my thing... but, it takes turns that are interesting and fun
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, the first few seasons are
    Riddle Sideways: NBC.com
    Agatha Macbeth: Slap-sticky :p
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: A Lizism
    Eliza Madrigal: really just one character annoyed me but I got over it when the show became really clever
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe better watching than SOTU
    Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like a board game
    Eliza Madrigal: :)


    Zen (zen.arado): Has anyone noticed the same things coming up again and again in their dreams?
    Zen (zen.arado): This is happening to me a lot
    Riddle Sideways: way to segway back
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wish I could remember Zenny
    Eliza Madrigal: aw, Aggers
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): in very general terms, I often dream of being in a group of people working on something together
    Zen (zen.arado): variations on the same topics of fishing, art clubs, work, F1
    Agatha Macbeth: F1?
    Riddle Sideways: Formula 1
    Riddle Sideways: race cars
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): I often dream of the office where I used to work
    Zen (zen.arado): Formula ! racing
    Agatha Macbeth: Why would you dream about that
    Zen (zen.arado): I have no idea I'm not that interested in it
    Eliza Madrigal: similar to 'going back home' dreams
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Eliza Madrigal: (not the race car, the office)
    Zen (zen.arado): I have a mild interest but I couldn't be bothered watching a whole race
    Agatha Macbeth: Gotta be something significant there
    Zen (zen.arado): have to go careworkers
    Eliza Madrigal: would love to have a  race car dream  ... is pretty interesting that the image recurs
    Agatha Macbeth: Poo
    Eliza Madrigal: bye Zen, gtsy
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): take care Zen
    Agatha Macbeth: TC Zenny
    Agatha Macbeth: Dream well


    Riddle Sideways: we just tried to learn not to ask 'What does this mean"
    Zen (zen.arado): byee
    Tura Brezoianu: bye Zen, good to see your voice dot :)
    Riddle Sideways: by
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Riddle
    Agatha Macbeth: The man who never was
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not convinced about that... some dreams beg to ask the question
    Riddle Sideways: did not see Zen disappear
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, he's gone :p
    Riddle Sideways: maybe.  two dreams about trying on cloths
    Agatha Macbeth: Why is there a feather on the table?
    Tura Brezoianu: Sounds like a philosophical question: if an avatar logs out but they never rezzed...or something.
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Riddle Sideways: one was almost like rezzing a box and unpacking the cloths
    Eliza Madrigal: usually see clothes as about identity in some way, change
    Tura Brezoianu: The feather is an incense stick holder.
    Riddle Sideways: what to change into, Next
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wondered why it was on fire
    Eliza Madrigal: phoenix feather
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I have a quote to close session, though not directly a dream quote. It just popped up....
    Eliza Madrigal: “The world seems dull, but in fact, it’s filled with magical and mysterious rough gemstones. The novelist is equipped with the eyes to discover them.” — Haruki Murakami
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): nice
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah so
    Eliza Madrigal: could say 'the dreamer', I thought
    Riddle Sideways: how did that just pop up?
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure... something I opened and then forgot why or when I opened
    Agatha Macbeth: Causality perhaps
    Eliza Madrigal: https://medium.com/publishous/<wbr/>haruki-murakamis-lessons-on-<wbr/>writing-and-leading-a-writer-<wbr/>s-life-27e8cfdddd0b
    Eliza Madrigal: really like Murakami

    Eliza Madrigal wonders about Tura's 'miracle seeker' tag
    Agatha Macbeth: And whether she found any
    Tura Brezoianu: It's related to a Gurdjief group I joined recently
    Vulcan Viper: is offline.
    Agatha Macbeth: Woot
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, interesting
    Agatha Macbeth: Is he still shattered?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I really liked that film
    Eliza Madrigal: some scenes do get lodged in the mind
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
    Tura Brezoianu: I wonder if Gurdjieff said anything about dreams.
    Agatha Macbeth: Would be nice to know if he ever really found that place
    Eliza Madrigal: if not, it would be sort of unusual I think (re the dreams)


    Riddle Sideways: oh Gawd...   must share   https://www.washingtonpost.<wbr/>com/politics/2019/02/05/<wbr/>joshua-trumps-name-got-him-<wbr/>bullied-now-sixth-grader-is-<wbr/>going-state-union/?noredirect=<wbr/>on&utm_term=.38e0c93054cc
    Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
    Riddle Sideways: that just popped up
    Eliza Madrigal: flaming narcissist
    Riddle Sideways: liking Alma's tag more and more
    ("questioning reality")
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): that's my theme these days :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal whispers: doing a little search on Gurdjieff, there seem to be some quotes about dreamless dreams, and this page which mentions Jung also: http://gurdjieffwork.com/site/<wbr/>index.asp?page=110836&amp;DL=<wbr/>243
    Riddle Sideways: second fav bumper sticker is "Who are you to tell me to 'Question Authority'"
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): lol
    Eliza Madrigal: cute
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay everyone, please take very good care of yourselves tonight
    Eliza Madrigal: (and always)
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): ty Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth will try
    Riddle Sideways: have your greatest dreams
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you
    Agatha Macbeth: Got da log?
    Riddle Sideways: thank you
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): dream the dream forward, as I believe Jung said
    Eliza Madrigal: will do :) gratsi
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, nice
    Tura Brezoianu: thanks all, goodnight
    Agatha Macbeth: Bless him
    Alma di Masala (almadi.masala): bye for now
    Agatha Macbeth: Tatty bye

    Eliza Madrigal: what is tatty bye?
    Agatha Macbeth: Um
    Agatha Macbeth: Good bye :p
    Eliza Madrigal: :) another Britishism?
    Agatha Macbeth: Must be
    Agatha Macbeth: Like TTFN
    Eliza Madrigal: I've only heard you say it
    Agatha Macbeth: Really?
    Eliza Madrigal: so didn't know if there are Agathaisms too ^.^
    Agatha Macbeth: Ken Dodd said it a lot
    Eliza Madrigal: I like it, sounds very friendly
    Agatha Macbeth: Well that's good! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: have a sweet night
    Agatha Macbeth: Love to George
    Agatha Macbeth: Byee
    Eliza Madrigal: certainly
    Eliza Madrigal: bye

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