Notes on PaB 'Playing Practice'

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    Notes in Play


    Stim Morane: Oh. Well I originally thought of Play as Being in terms of interrupting the ordinary mind’s heedlessness and lack of appreciation of certain fundamental facets of being.
    Stim Morane: That is, as a way of coming back to the sacred dimension of presence.
    Stim Morane: But now I see it can also include expressive, “playful”, artistic intuitions
    Stim Morane: This is very helpful


    genesis Zhangsun: so first a musician must understand his instrument, reading music, the structure, the form, but then at some point in order to truly make new music, to jam you have to let go of everything you knew
    genesis Zhangsun: to prevent all of your learning from binding you, keeping you from making something new: something in that moment
    genesis Zhangsun: fresh
    genesis Zhangsun: beautiful
    genesis Zhangsun: profound

    Caledonia Heron: the improvisational moment leaves me thunderstruck
    genesis Zhangsun: how so?
    Caledonia Heron: the sheer audacity of making something up on the spot out of nothing but ingrained knowledge and gut, something from nothing which is based on everything a player has internalized coming straight out of their heart….awesome
    genesis Zhangsun: what you just did right there, describing the beauty of improvisation was a perfect example of the beauty of improvisation


    Eos Amaterasu: I think keeping SL presence as a world-wide meeting place is important
    Eos Amaterasu: keeping the avataric aspect
    Eos Amaterasu: but also more intersections with RL

    Eos Amaterasu: Also this place and this group are kind of an "Open Dojo"
    Eos Amaterasu: "dojo" being a place of the way
    Eos Amaterasu: we each come to it from our own backgrounds and practices and perspectives
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, few seem to exist
    Eos Amaterasu: but still keep an open space for all of us yet not owned by any of us
    Eos Amaterasu: I think part of the practice of that is to have some practice for holding oneself in one's highest purpose/intention
    Eos Amaterasu: and also seeing someone else hold themselves that way
    Eos Amaterasu: and all holding each other in their highest intentions
    Eos Amaterasu: magical practice


    [13:10] Korel Laloix: Do we PLAY SL?
    [13:10] Korel Laloix: Or do we DO SL?
    [13:10] Pema Pera: how about RL?
    [13:10] Pema Pera: Do we play or do RL?

    [13:11] Qt Core: (in italian playing an instrument, act and play a game are separated)
    [13:12] Qt Core: suonare for the music, recitare for the acting and giocare for the games

    [14:20] Korel Laloix: In Bode' there are several words for Play.
    [14:21] Korel Laloix: To play like pretend or play dead.. is kazo
    [14:21] Korel Laloix: To play ball is pekwak wtowe
    [14:21] Korel Laloix: But to play a nonsport is tadi
    [14:22] Korel Laloix: But just to play in general.. like at a part or in the sand is chikazo
    [14:22] Korel Laloix: TO play with someone is widokwa
    [14:22] Korel Laloix: Not sure about the right one for a musical instrument though.

    ‎"Nobility of spirit is the grace - or ability - to play, whether in heaven or on earth. And this ... noblesse oblige ... was precisely the virtue of the Greek poets, artists, and philosophers, for whom the gods were true as poetry is true." Joseph Campbell


    Stim's post California retreat writing:Stim: PaB is what we allow it to be

    Pema Pera: The problem with meditation or any form of practice: without really
    going for it, you may not get anywhere — but then the very intensity of your quest
    tends to blind you — hence playfulness as a key. Playing is energetic without the
    dogmatic and fanatic side, or can be.

    From -

    Actually, pab is philosophy for me too, pab is about how ppl try to preserve their minds fresh / how to drop things out of our mind / what do we really need and my hope is to regain more freshness and ability to "communicate" instances of thought - it´s about to preserve a serious community which is open even to discuss matters of time and reality ...


    Pema Pera: The point is to see. That is enough. When you see a tree, you don't have to become a leafist or a rootist or a dewdropist or a vineist or a moistureist or a blossomist or a shadeist. You just see the tree, hug it, lean against it, swing from it, smell it, feel its presence, whatever you like, and celebrate being part of the same realm as that tree, given together, appearing together. That's enough.

    Pema & Stim Dialogues:

    PaB's Investigative Spirit:

    Agatha on Life as a Lab:

    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): It can be very instructive to study one's environment
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, sure you are right
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): And your own place in it
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): How it fits
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, very true
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): (or not)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): :p
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: may I quote you?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): If you wish :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Only if you're hard up tho [grin]
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Eliza Madrigal: that IS 'life as a lab'
    Eliza Madrigal: in many ways
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Oh, absolutely
    Wol Euler nods.

    Just a few Notable Sessions:
    (Eos, Pema, Stevenaia Dialogue) (mid way through the session Bleu, Wol, Boxy, Bleu discuss practice, meditation, and retreats) (Bolonath, Zen, Bertram discuss religious backgrounds, changes in thinking along the way, celebration of having the conversation itself) (leads into a second session of sorts where we compare backgrounds and begin to discuss devotion and mysicism) (Eden returns with tales of her adventures in Egypt)


    Link to: Exploring the Magic of Time

    Link to:  Theme Sessions

    A Group Email from Pema:

    Some of a recent exchange may be relevant for a conversation about how to be a greeter at a session.
    What I wrote applies broadly to general PaB sessions:

    In order to answer questions regarding structure in, let me first sketch how I see the
    landscape of possibilities that we have for joint explorations.

    We are currently using three different media: wiki, email, chat sessions.
    Each of those have their own dynamics. In my experience:

    -- wikis allow for the most in-depth coherent ways of conveying ways
    of thinking, feeling, experiencing. Examples are the chapters I am
    writing, and the reports that are being added every week, soon more
    than a hundred already, a very rich harvest.

    -- email encourages shorter contributions, written more quickly than
    wiki essays/reports and generally less throught-out, but on the
    other hand often more lively and more directly responding to a
    previous email; glad to see them being used for our Time sessions.

    -- chats in sessions invite even shorter remarks, often just a single
    idea, like in a haiku or a twitter tweet.

    Rarely do sessions lead to coherence over more than a dozen
    sentences. Yet they have a liveliness and sense of shared presence
    that the other two lack.

    Whether we like it or not, sessions generally don't seem to invite
    in-depth discussions, not anything like the level of wikis and also
    typically not even the level of email exchanges.

    Therefore, I don't expect a session to be a way to continue on the
    same level of depth of reasoning or exchanging anything longer and
    more complex than just a few sentences. Put differently: wikis and
    email are for prose; sessions are for poetry.

    Or to use another metaphor: sessions are more like meeting in a cafe,
    whereas email and especially wiki are more like meeting in a class
    room or a conference room. To go to a cafe, and there to try to
    engage people as if they were in a class/conference room wouldn't
    work very well.

    Cafes have their own charm and function: in a cafe you are more likely
    to put your head on somebody's shoulder, even just briefly, while sharing
    an intense story at the bar, something you wouldn't do in class or during
    a conference.

    During the sessions, I'm often struck by the willingness of many people
    to share sensitive feelings and intuitions and experiences, and I very
    much treasure those.

    What sometimes pains me a bit, is when somebody
    tells a really touching story, in a vulnerable way, like showing a
    little bird in their cupped hands -- only to have somebody else react
    in a theoretical way, with philosophical arguments or psychological
    analysis. Somehow, that doesn't feel appropriate, in such a situation;
    like giving a lecture in a cafe would not be appropriate.

    But that is just my own reaction; I am well aware that different
    people have different sensibilities, and I would not want to tell
    others what to do. They may feel that it can help others, after
    pouring their heart out, to give a more theoretical perspective;
    who am I to judge? I can only follow my own heart and intuition.

    I myself do what feels right to me, and I respect others to act in the
    way that they feel right. I don't feel any need to tell others how to
    behave; I don't even want to guess what is right for them. How do I
    know what others need or should do?

    The only reason that I am giving this description here is that I respect
    your question.. So the answer to "what would you like to see
    happening" is: "I would like to see people happy, engaged, interested,
    and *doing* something, actually getting into *some* kind of exploration,
    beyond the stage of thinking, chatting, speculating."

    Paradoxically, it may be that the best way to get people to actually
    do something, to actually let them explore, is to give them enough
    , make them feel at home, allow them to let their hair down,
    allow them to relax, tell them very clearly "there is really nothing
    you have to do" and then when they really accept that and relax, they
    may be more ready to actually finally do something.

    Such is the paradox of human beings, as I understand it.

    In my experience, trying to somehow `create' a meaningful discussion
    typically backfires. Pushing and manipulating doesn't work, obviously,
    but I have found that even rather subtle forms of pushing and
    manipulating still do not work. "facilitating" is a very subtle art.

    As far as I understand "facilitating", it is total wu-wei, total
    non-manipulation, totally stepping out of the picture and not trying
    to "help" others by telling them what you think they should do.

    It has taken me a very long time to reach this understanding.

    Having been raised in Holland, all that I have written in the
    previous paragraph goes totally against the grain of Dutch Calvinist
    attitudes: the attitudes of telling the whole world and everybody
    in sight what to do :-). For me, spending years in Japan was probably
    an important factor in learning wu-wei. Also, TSK helped a lot, since
    in TSK there truly are no beings, there is only Space, Time, and
    Knowledge, so there are no creatures that need to be helped. But
    going even further back, in high school in Holland I was inspired by
    Seneca, Stoic philosopher, with his own brand of wu-wei. Over the
    course of the 40 years after reading Seneca, via learning TSK and
    adapting to Japan, I've come to the conclusion that almost anything
    I would consciously "try" to do is probably wrong.

    Perhaps I have already quoted Vector Marksman in SL, a medical
    doctor and good friend of mine (and somebody who almost
    died 15 years ago, and had a profound near-death experience when
    his heart stopped for a while; he also has 40 years of meditation
    experience). He wrote recently in a Kira email:

    Words guide, examples move, but only the giving of oneself transforms.

    Like him, I want to be very light on guiding, more engaged with
    moving, but what I really want to is to give myself to exploring
    reality, together with whoever else is interested to join me.


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