2008.06.24 19:00 - Like my Right Hand

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    That evening Maxine, Terri and Thorberg were already at the pavilion when I walked in over the bridge to the South.

    Terri Holrych: i change every day
    Terri Holrych: hi pema
    Maxine Walden: ah, hi Pema and Thor
    Terri Holrych: hi thorberg
    Thorberg Nordlicht: hi there!
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Terri, Maxine, Thorberg!
    Terri Holrych: hi
    Pema Pera: Always feels a bit clumsy, stumbling in with lots of lag . …
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Maxine Walden: yes, it can feel clumsy
    Pema Pera: Terri, you must have a large wardrobe!
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Terri Holrych: i try
    Maxine Walden: hi, Pia
    Pema Pera: I still have to get into the habit to get more clothes AND to organize my inventory
    Pema Pera: hi Pia!
    Pia Iger: Hi, everyone
    Terri Holrych: i love clothes
    Terri Holrych: hi pia
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hi everyone
    Pema Pera: Hi Fred!
    Maxine Walden: hi Fred
    Terri Holrych: hi fried
    Pia Iger: Hi, Fred.

    Pia and Fred arrived as well, so there were half a dozen of us.

    Pema Pera: I had a crazy thought this morning
    Cup of Sake whispers: Enjoy : )
    Maxine Walden: oh?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: just one?
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Thorberg Nordlicht: no?!
    Pema Pera: when I noticed once again how long the 9 seconds are becoming
    Pema Pera: so I wondered about alternatives
    Pema Pera: like 3 sec every 5 minutes
    Pema Pera: or even 0.6 sec every minute
    Pema Pera: still 1% time tax :)
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: and in the limit? constant awareness?
    Pema Pera: well, yes, that’s the hope :)
    Maxine Walden: you know, the shorter than 9 seconds makes a kind of sense, in that so much can go on so instantly in our minds
    Dakini Rhode: hello!
    Pema Pera: Hi Dakini!
    Dakini Rhode: please meet Yidam :-)
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hey there
    Terri Holrych: hi dakini and yidam
    Maxine Walden: hi, Dakini and Yidam
    Yidam Nightfire: Hi … i know many of you already :)
    Pia Iger: Hi, there,
    Yidam Nightfire: good to see you all again
    Pema Pera: Hi Yidam!
    Terri Holrych: :)

    Dakini and Yidam joined, and with the eight of us, we were beginning to fill up the circle of cushions.

    Pema Pera: Have you been at one of our Play as Being meetings before, Yidam?
    Yidam Nightfire: no
    Yidam Nightfire: i am looking forward to it
    Pema Pera: you’re in it :)
    Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/ is our web site
    Pema Pera: gives the background
    Pema Pera: but perhaps you’ve heard about it already?
    Dakini Rhode: I explained some of the background….
    Yidam Nightfire: only from the Dakini
    Pema Pera: The Dakini !
    Dakini Rhode: lol
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: with regards to perpetual awareness, from a slightly different set of metaphors:
    Pema Pera: Our very own dakini

    Fred brought up some great quotes from the bible, connected to the continuity core of Play as Being.

    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: The pious were therefore particular to minimize the time when they could not reflect on God’s name. And they cautioned others, saying, “Let not your minds be vacant from reflections on God.” In the same sense, King David said, “I have set God before me always, He is at my right hand, I shall not be moved” (Psalms 16:8). What he meant was, “I do not turn my thoughts away from God — He is like my right hand, which I do not forget for even an instant because of the ease of its motions. Therefore, I shall not be moved — I shall not fall
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Pema Pera: yes, that is a nice connection
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: anyway, the idea was, as i understood it, to keep a presence in mind, as you would your right hand.
    Terri Holrych: like pure land practice
    Pema Pera: To borrow an image from Dakini: every 15 minutes we wipe our windshields
    Terri Holrych: rofl
    Pema Pera: and more often if we like, and can remember
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Pema Pera: yes, pure land is similar
    Thorberg Nordlicht: how ’bout every time you blink?
    Pema Pera: sure!!
    Yidam Nightfire: or breathe
    Pema Pera: or breathe
    Yidam Nightfire: or move
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: :)
    Maxine Walden: nearly continuous awareness if possible
    Terri Holrych: or the wind blows
    Pema Pera: the point is: we are constantly practicing NOT seeing, so what we call practice is a counter balance
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Pema Pera: we have somehow learned to be in mindsets of not seeing, of bleeding on, of being zombies
    Yidam Nightfire: “reflecting on God’s name” sounds like a mantra perhaps

    Tara entered, for her first visit to the pavilion, and recognizing it immediately as such.

    Tara Farmer: holy crap
    Terri Holrych: hi tara
    Tara Farmer: a pavillion!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: seems to me the differential is key though. not sure what this perpetual awarenss might be like
    Dakini Rhode: hi Tara
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hi Tara
    Terri Holrych: lol holy crap hehehe
    Pema Pera: Hi Tara, good seeing you again!
    Tara Farmer: hello all you wonderful people
    Pia Iger: Tara, hi,
    Tara Farmer: nice pavillion pema
    Pema Pera: Dakini made it
    Pema Pera: as usual
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Pema Pera: ;)
    Dakini Rhode: people always making me blush….
    Tara Farmer: dakini’s the bomb
    Pema Pera: creative rather than destructive
    Terri Holrych: thats hawt
    Dakini Rhode: thank you
    Thorberg Nordlicht: I like the new pavilion because there’s enough room for the camera to pan back and see everybody at once
    Dakini Rhode: indeed
    Dakini Rhode: having no walls & roof helps with that too
    Terri Holrych: :)

    The topic turned to Fred’s face.

    Pema Pera: Fred, I do think your face is black
    Pema Pera: probably something you have to reset
    Pema Pera: was the same last time
    Tara Farmer: yeah your face does look black fried
    Tara Farmer: its a little creepy
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: stealth Fred!
    Pema Pera: :)
    Tara Farmer: more like, about to get the electric chair fried
    Terri Holrych: the last time t was black for me too
    Dakini Rhode: oh i see you’re wearing a stocking overy your head…
    Dakini Rhode: over
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: stick ‘em up!
    Dakini Rhode: lol
    Tara Farmer shivers her timbers
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: bad face day?
    Pema Pera: well, all the drinks are free already . . ..
    Terri Holrych: rofl
    Thorberg Nordlicht: “bad face day”; hahaha; lol
    Thorberg Nordlicht: only in SL
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: someone slipped me a skin where the beard is a tatoo…
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i’ve been futzing with it on and off all week. don’t mind me
    Pema Pera: no that’s not the problem Fred
    Pema Pera: you have “black avatar” syndrome :)
    Dakini Rhode: um that is quite a beard…
    Pema Pera: I suggest you look at the SL help site
    Terri Holrych: oooo?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: yes, i hear that plague is going around

    In fact, something similar had occurred to me too, a few months ago.

    Pema Pera: you have to rebake
    Pema Pera: as they call it
    Pema Pera: did you use an external monitor?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: you gotta be kidding - read hte manual?
    Tara Farmer sparys herself for cooties
    Pema Pera: that’s often the trigger, it’s a bug
    Terri Holrych: gross
    Dakini Rhode: fred you look baked
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: its the incense ;-)
    Pema Pera: if you swivel the camera, and look at yourself, you’ll see it’s the whole face
    Pema Pera: not a beard
    Tara Farmer: or the tea my friend
    Dakini Rhode: Ctrl-Alt-R
    Terri Holrych: lemmme drink some more
    Dakini Rhode: that is the command to rebake
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i tried upgrading my client, and it was a disaster, so i switched back. mabe that had to do w/ it?
    Yidam Nightfire: it looks good on you Friedrich :)
    Tara Farmer: yeah i just upgraded and this version sucks
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: thanks yidam!
    Yidam Nightfire: selfless
    Dakini Rhode: lol
    Terri Holrych: deep
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: heh. feels like someone just told me my zipper was open
    Tara Farmer: “how’d you get the beans above the frank”
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: kinda the same situation. to fix this i would need to turn around
    Tara Farmer: LOL
    Dakini Rhode: haha Fred i think you’re toying with us
    Pia Iger notice the perpetual awarenss of black beard.
    Terri Holrych: I want to peench ._.
    Terri Holrych: hehe
    pillow - kneel: Rotation =
    pillow - kneel: Rotation =
    Terri Holrych: the pillow is talkin now
    Tara Farmer: pema, you’re getting a little beer gut
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: sigh. excuse me.

    Fred left for a rebake, it seemed, Neela entered, and then Fred returned with a tanned but this time visible face.

    Pema Pera: talking about new versions, I haven’t updated for a long time — are we being reminded to do so, or is there a specific command I should give?
    Pema Pera: hehe, Tara
    Pema Pera: too much sitting
    Terri Holrych: Maybe little peench? o_o
    Dakini Rhode: i know i look like i’m typing…
    Terri Holrych: hi neela
    Dakini Rhode: sorry
    Pema Pera: Hi Neela!
    Tara Farmer: you know i think i am going to downgrade this version again
    Tara Farmer: see you all in a minute or 60
    Terri Holrych: ok
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello everyone
    Maxine Walden: hi, Neela
    Pema Pera: wb Fred
    Pema Pera: yeah!
    Pema Pera: face is back too
    Pia Iger: Hi, Neela,
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: danka.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: yeah, it wasn’t happening, so i gave myself a tan, but then it was normal
    Dakini Rhode: wb Fred’s face…
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: heh. i /could/ have just covered it with hair, i guess

    Fred and Pia each bring up something to ponder.

    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: one of these months i’ll start reading the instructions
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: its not like first life comes with any
    Dakini Rhode: funny :-)
    Terri Holrych: it should lol
    Pia Iger: wonder why we insist Fred’s face has to be normal.
    Pia Iger: even in SL.
    Terri Holrych: i dunno
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: well, you’ve heard of hte Grandma neuron/cell? Maybe by now you have a Fred one?
    Neela Blaisdale: I was noticing how many of us keep our hair and face the same
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i probably do. as i mentioned, its a bit disquieting running into other newbie’s who look like me
    Terri Holrych: i like to experiment

    Dakini turned back to the earlier conversation.

    Dakini Rhode: i noticed when i arrived, you were chatting about continuous awareness
    Dakini Rhode: or constant awareness of being
    Dakini Rhode: ?
    Terri Holrych: arent they the same?
    Pema Pera: I wondered about alternatives to the 9-sec rule, like 3 sec every 5 minutes or even 0.6 se every minute
    Pema Pera: and then Fred mentioned continuous awareness as a limit
    Pema Pera: I feel the 9 seconds to become longer and longer . . . .
    Pia Iger: how can it be?
    Dakini Rhode: i feel the practice to be almost constantly in the background….
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i am uncertain if continuous awareness is desirable
    Neela Blaisdale: What is the 9 second rule?
    Pema Pera: Every 15 minutes we stop what we are doing for 9 seconds
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: much of the gain (for me) is in the contrast
    Maxine Walden: I had mentioned the term continuous awareness but think that what I meant was more an attempt at constant awareness of being, as you but it Dakini.
    Pema Pera: that is the basic Play as Being exploration
    Pema Pera: see http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: Neela: Hint - it has nothing to do with dropping food on the floor ;-)
    Pia Iger: haha
    Pema Pera: sorry, maxine, I thought it was Fred :)
    Dakini Rhode: i notice that if i use a trigger for the 9 sec practice - like the bell - i quickly learn to ignore it
    Neela Blaisdale: Chuckle
    Maxine Walden: not at all, Pema, I thought you were making a point about not having a continuous awareness, and I was just trying to think about that…
    Maxine Walden: the creativity of ‘being’ disrupting the awareness, something like that
    Dakini Rhode: due to that - my tendency to quickly become fatigued - i think it would be helpful to vary the timing
    Dakini Rhode: so an interesting idea, Pema
    Pia Iger: also a point: the 9sec format is not rule. can be any time period.
    Pema Pera: the whole idea is to be playful — yes Pia
    Pema Pera: to experiment
    Pema Pera: both with content and format

    We talk about ways to remind ourselves.

    Pema Pera: you may ennoy your neighbors at work if you ring a bell every 5 minutes though :)
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: RSI software works great
    Neela Blaisdale: Especially if you work right next to someone
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: (repetitive stress injury)
    Dakini Rhode: people like my bell
    Terri Holrych: :)
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: just gotta work near an old clock tower
    Maxine Walden: lol
    Dakini Rhode: if you can attach mindfulness to the breath, you have a continuous reminder
    Dakini Rhode: as you are continuously breathing…
    Dakini Rhode: i made the mistake of doin gthis sound at work today…
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Dakini Rhode: i had to repeat it…
    Terri Holrych: over n over
    Terri Holrych: lol
    Dakini Rhode: why not to have the SL window open when you work from home…
    Terri Holrych: aww
    Terri Holrych: why no pinch? 0.0

    And Pia repeats her question. I’m trying to answer by describing a typical experience of a 9-sec exploration interval.

    Pia Iger: still wondering why Pema feel 9 sec is getting longer and longer?
    Pema Pera: When I do the 9-sec exploration
    Terri Holrych: empty space?
    Pema Pera: there are three stages to it, or so it feels
    Pema Pera: the first instant
    Pema Pera: the next second or so
    Pema Pera: and then the next 8 or so
    Pema Pera: the 8 feel very long and different from the rest
    Pema Pera: the first moment, much less than a second
    Pema Pera: feels complete in itself, timeless
    Pema Pera: the next second feels like full of time already
    Pema Pera: flowing
    Pema Pera: and very long in comparison
    Pema Pera: then the 9 secs feel almost endles :-)
    Pema Pera: the punch seems to come in the first two stages
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: do you use an external trigger/reminder?
    Pema Pera: I wonder how others experience this
    Pema Pera: no
    Dakini Rhode: how do you trigger the end of the 9 secs pema
    Pema Pera: oh, I guess
    Pema Pera: not precise
    Pema Pera: I’m pretty good at estimating time
    Pema Pera: astronomers are time keepers, originally at least :)

    Maxine and Dakini describe their experiences.

    Maxine Walden: I experience a re-entry after the 9 or so sec, not as dramatic as the first instant but notable; do also experience the middle 8 or so sec similarly to what Pema mentioned
    Dakini Rhode: i can relate this to my experience also, and i wonder if it has something to do with timing the 9 seconds or keeping track of them, at least
    Dakini Rhode: the first moment is one of attention and remembrance
    Dakini Rhode: very bright
    Neela Blaisdale: Have to deal with the computer again,back soon i hope
    Dakini Rhode: and then my experience is similar
    Maxine Walden: there is, however, for me a twilight time after re-entry when I try to find words for the experience
    Pema Pera: I’m not seeing that I dislike the last 8 seconds, on the contrary, it is very restful, like a mini-retreat; more Soto zen perhaps, with the first moment being more Rinzai zen.
    Pema Pera: *saying
    Dakini Rhode: i don’t dislike the 8 seconds either, but in fact, the 9 seconds seems long
    Pema Pera: yes, Maxine, writing takes more than a second :)
    Dakini Rhode: surprisingly so
    Yidam Nightfire: a single breath is close enough to 9 seconds in lenght
    Pema Pera: yes
    Maxine Walden: right
    Maxine Walden: it would be interesting to shorten the time interval and see if there are differences in the experience
    Yidam Nightfire: i think it might be interesting to consider what we’re aware of during that 9 seconds since i’m not familiar with your technique
    Thorberg Nordlicht: i was thinking a single breath is mre like a veery long second; so, take a 9-breath timeout every 15 minutes
    Yidam Nightfire: you must pant
    Yidam Nightfire: :)
    Dakini Rhode: :-)
    Terri Holrych: lol

    I answered Yidam’s question about what we do during the 9 seconds.

    Pema Pera: There is no specific technique, Yidam
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: kinda tough for me to imagine pausing for less than a complete breath - not sure how i would come back before i finshed breathing
    Pema Pera: oh, you can pause without worrying about breathing — just for one second
    Pema Pera: or half a second
    Yidam Nightfire: i like our notion of the very long second :), the emptiness of time
    Pema Pera: Yidam, the general idea is to drop what you have in order to see what you are
    Pema Pera: without specific detailed instructions
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: true. too easy to latch onto concentrating on breathing, but maybe that is a crutch
    Pema Pera: it is like a lab experiment in which you can choose your own set up
    Pema Pera: and an important part is to keep a lab journal
    Pema Pera: to write down what comes up during the 9-sec exploration
    Yidam Nightfire: prob in a few
    Pema Pera: just a few words or short sentence
    Pema Pera: prob?
    Yidam Nightfire: typo sorry
    Pema Pera trying to guess what “prob” is a typo for . . . :)
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: i;m gonna call it a night - nice meeting you yidam. cheers, everyone.
    Maxine Walden: just to mention that I need to go soon
    Dakini Rhode: nite Fred :-)
    Terri Holrych: bye fred
    Pia Iger: bye, Fred.
    Pema Pera: and me as well
    Yidam Nightfire: night :)
    Yidam Nightfire: thanks pema
    Yidam Nightfire: good discussion

    Following Fred’s example, we are starting to leave.

    Thorberg Nordlicht: yes, i need to leave at 8PM also
    Maxine Walden: very nice discussion, everyone, look forward to seeing everyone soon
    Pema Pera: As you can see, Yidam, our talks are very unstructured
    Pema Pera: not like lectures or even panel discussions
    Thorberg Nordlicht: see everyone again soon
    Pia Iger: bye, Maxine.
    Pema Pera: but somehow always something interesting comes out :)
    Maxine Walden: bye, all
    Pema Pera: bye everybody!
    Dakini Rhode: i’ll be leaving too, past my bedtime…
    Terri Holrych: bye all
    Thorberg Nordlicht: another advantage of no roof is you can make dramatic exits like just flying straight up, like this
    Yidam Nightfire: bye all
    Terri Holrych: namaste
    Pema Pera: haha, without hitting your head, right
    Dakini Rhode: yes and landing in the moat…
    Pema Pera checking out whether the space above him is clear . . . .

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