2008.07.04 13:00 - How do you do it?

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    Pia was once again guardian, that afternoon. She had a busy week, volunteering to take over from others while having already two shifts herself! The comments are hers, and so is the title.

    Greetings of a bigger crowd than I expected.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Pia
    Dakini Rhode: until i get around to it… half kneel and half sit crosslegged
    Delani Gabardini: hi pia
    Delani Gabardini: now i am happy
    Delani Gabardini: but u did a great job, dak
    Dakini Rhode: if anyone has a handy switching script, I’ll be happy too :)
    Dakini Rhode: Hi Pia!
    Pia Iger: Hi, everyone
    Gambhira Skytower: hi Pia
    Faenik: why not?
    Dakini Rhode: Solobill is the official guardian of today’s session, but he may not be here
    Delani Gabardini: hi quilty
    Fael Illyar: Hi Quilty.
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi all.
    Dakini Rhode: hello quilty
    Gambhira Skytower: Hi Quilty
    Pia Iger: Hi, Quilty
    Dakini Rhode: I ‘m happy to log the chat, but i need to leave on the half hour
    Dakini Rhode: i’ll be grateful if someone can pick up for me…
    Delani Gabardini: i am going to be leaving early also
    Pia Iger: oh. I said I would log
    Dakini Rhode: ok Pia thanks!
    Dakini Rhode: perfect :_)
    Dakini Rhode: * :-)
    Dakini Rhode: my nose slid there
    Pia Iger: hehe

    Stim appeared for a minute and was noticed he only has one shoe on.

    Fael Illyar: Hi stim
    Delani Gabardini: hi stim
    Pia Iger: Hi, Stim
    Dakini Rhode: hi Stim :)
    Quilty Bookmite: hi Stim.
    Stim Morane: Hi all!
    Gambhira Skytower: Hi Stim
    Stim Morane: Sorry to interrupt
    Quilty Bookmite: I don;t think we have started, have we?
    Dakini Rhode: not an interruption at all… we’re just starting
    Quilty Bookmite: Unless I missed something.
    Stim Morane: Good. I’ll see you later, I’m just dropping in …
    Dakini Rhode: ok!
    Stim Morane: Bye!
    Dakini Rhode: thanks for saying hi
    Delani Gabardini: stim - u have only one shoe on
    Fael Illyar: Bye Stim :)
    Stim Morane: Bye
    Delani Gabardini: bye
    Dakini Rhode: that’s my fault Delani
    Dakini Rhode: i gave Stim an outfit from one of the newbie packs, but i think the other shoe was lost from the database :(
    Delani Gabardini: i thought it was a new fad
    Quilty Bookmite: :-)
    Quilty Bookmite: it’s an interesting look.
    Dakini Rhode: we could start one…
    Delani Gabardini: excuse - phone
    Dakini Rhode: wear only the right shoe
    Quilty Bookmite: Done. :-)
    Dakini Rhode: makes it quicker to take off the shoes for zazen :P
    Quilty Bookmite: Isn’t peer pressure wonderful :-)
    Dakini Rhode: in fact, if you take off the one that shows, you can probably get away with keeping the other on :)
    Dakini Rhode: lol yes
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Faenik: ah :)
    Dakini Rhode: ah :)

    Time to get serious.

    Quilty Bookmite: Does anyone have a topic to discuss?
    Dakini Rhode: gets hard to come up with new material, but the nature sounds are nice :-)
    Quilty Bookmite: Yes. :-)
    Fael Illyar: Definitely.
    Faenik: could be
    Quilty Bookmite: You have these meetings 4 times a day?
    Dakini Rhode: Gam, have you been with this group yet?
    Gambhira Skytower: yes
    Dakini Rhode: have you tried the playasbeing exercise?
    Gambhira Skytower: the 9 seconds?
    Dakini Rhode: yes
    Gambhira Skytower: kind of
    Fael Illyar: kind of?
    Gambhira Skytower: i’m not sure if i do it right
    Gambhira Skytower: i don’t write down anything
    Fael Illyar: I rarely write anything either.
    Dakini Rhode: I think it would be interesting to sort of go around the table and say what we “do” during the 9 secs
    Quilty Bookmite: Are you supposed to write something?
    Dakini Rhode: i often get the notion we all have our own flavor
    Pia Iger: ok. we can do it.

    Dakini got an idea: let’s share how each of us does the 9 secs.

    Dakini Rhode: hmmm who first?
    Gambhira Skytower: i haven’t really changed my practice since learning about PaB, i just focus on my breath alot
    Gambhira Skytower: throughout the day
    Quilty Bookmite: Me! Me! Pick Me!
    Quilty Bookmite: Just joking. :-)
    Pia Iger: hahah
    Pia Iger: Gamb already started.
    Dakini Rhode: Gam, so you take the 9 secs to do your usual practice?
    Gambhira Skytower: yes, but i try to do more than 9secs
    Fael Illyar: My method … well, I started doing it before I heard about concentrating on breath so that’s not included. I just try to let go of everything I possibly can.
    Fael Illyar: The bell sound is starting work as a sort of a trigger by now.
    Fael Illyar: takes effort not to stop if I hear it
    Gambhira Skytower: what do you mean let go?
    Fael Illyar: mentally let go of anything that feels like it wants to drag me somewhere
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Fael Illyar: and well, even if it doesn’t and I notice it, I try to let it go :P
    Gambhira Skytower: so emotions and thoughts you let go of?
    Fael Illyar: yes
    Gambhira Skytower: do you feel relief?
    Dakini Rhode: In some systems, emotions are thoughts (just more forceful maybe).
    Fael Illyar: I tend to keep at it until I no longer feel like there isn’t anything I have to do.
    Fael Illyar: umm
    Fael Illyar: that came out wrong
    Quilty Bookmite: It’s very difficult to actively let go of thoughts and emotions.
    Fael Illyar: until I no longer feel like there is anything I have to do.
    Dakini Rhode: one too many negatives :)
    Dakini Rhode: there
    Dakini Rhode: What do you do, Quilty?
    Quilty Bookmite: Well, I haven’t really got into the 9 second meditation…
    Fael Illyar: Quilty, yes, I might very well miss some that I don’t notice.
    Quilty Bookmite: I do it when I am here when I hear the bell…
    Dakini Rhode: and what do you do then?
    Quilty Bookmite: Basically what I do is my normal Zen meditation. Similar to what Fael said. Just naturally letting thoughts drop off.
    Quilty Bookmite: I should actually get into such a practice more. I find it very helpful and doesn;t have quite the same pressure as Zen meditation.
    Fael Illyar: Speaking of which, the way I do my morning meditation is a bit different. I tend to concentrate on my breathing at first.
    Fael Illyar: … which finally makes me realize what was different about this morning, I forgot about the breath. No wonder it felt strange :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Isometimes do that. I concentrate on the first 3 breaths, imagining a point which moves from the hara, up the spine to the top of the head and down the front.
    Gambhira Skytower: i learned from a teacher years ago to do what he called “one minute mindfulnesses”, he taught to focus on breath for a minute every hour.
    Quilty Bookmite: But it is only to start hte meditaiton session.
    Fael Illyar: Gam, that’s quite similar to PaB I think :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Was this a Theravadan teacher Gambhira?
    Gambhira Skytower: yes Quilty, Bhante Gunaratana
    Quilty Bookmite: Sorry, I don’t know of them.
    Faenik: ah :)
    Quilty Bookmite: I know a little about the Theravadan tradition. There are a lot of similarities to Zen.
    Dakini Rhode: I’m happy to hear these variations in our practice… which it seems to me are slightly different ways to be mindful
    Gambhira Skytower: Dakini, what do you do?
    Dakini Rhode: The way I was taught, i learned a variety of meditation techniques…
    Dakini Rhode: what i do
    Dakini Rhode: is I stop and look
    Dakini Rhode: I might focus on something internal, if i’m thinking
    Dakini Rhode: or if i’m not particularly engaged in thinking, i might look around and just look
    Dakini Rhode: well not looking around particularly
    Dakini Rhode: just looking

    Two strangers walked by. Then Dakini left.

    Tele Porta: hello
    Dakini Rhode: Hello Fides and Tele
    Fides Torres: Hello..
    Fael Illyar: Hello Tele, Fides.
    Delani Gabardini: hi
    Quilty Bookmite: I’m sure that is probably quite revealing. We tend to miss so much through inattention.
    Tele Porta: meditation?
    Quilty Bookmite: Hi Fides and Tele
    Gambhira Skytower: hi Fides, tele
    Delani Gabardini: would u like to sit?
    Dakini Rhode: I notice things do seem to become more lively, brighter, and more informative if that makes sense
    Tele Porta: i will if fides will
    Dakini Rhode: I must say i need to leave now
    Delani Gabardini: sorry to see u go dak
    Dakini Rhode: thanks for the chat :-)
    Quilty Bookmite: Bye Dakini
    Delani Gabardini: see u tonight?
    Dakini Rhode: me too, this is interesting :-)
    Dakini Rhode: yes!
    Fael Illyar: This is a Play as Being meeting.
    Tele Porta: i think we will go explore.
    Fides Torres: Sorry want to walk along.. Have fun.. Bye :)
    Delani Gabardini: ejoy
    Tele Porta: im sorry if we disturbed your group
    Delani Gabardini: enjoy
    Pia Iger: bye, Dakini
    Quilty Bookmite: Bye.
    Tele Porta: bows
    Delani Gabardini: bye tele
    Quilty Bookmite: Random strangers. :-)
    Fael Illyar: apparently :)
    Delani Gabardini: nice though
    Quilty Bookmite: Yes.
    Pia Iger: happens since we have open space.
    Quilty Bookmite: I’m not complaining.

    Delani woke up from her SL snooze…

    Delani Gabardini: i apologize - i miss everything
    Quilty Bookmite: You looked like you had fallen asleep. :-)
    Pia Iger: Mmm, it is Delani’s turn
    Delani Gabardini: i can read the log
    Faenik: ah :)
    Delani Gabardini: haha
    Delani Gabardini: i did
    Gambhira Skytower: we have been talking about what we do for the 9second periods
    Quilty Bookmite: In RL?
    Delani Gabardini: no only in sl
    Quilty Bookmite: :-)
    Fael Illyar remembers being swamped in IMs or talking on phone during meetings and not being able to participate really.
    Delani Gabardini: well i have not been too faithful to the PaB process but I did use it during the camp
    Faenik: indeed?
    Delani Gabardini: and it was challenging there
    Fael Illyar: Did you make any observations?
    Delani Gabardini: actually since I was also doing Zen (Zen camp) - I was more involved with just being
    Delani Gabardini: and wondering what being really is
    Fael Illyar: Well, I’m sort of doing Zen both with meditation and explorations.
    Fael Illyar: Although they’re somehow different
    Gambhira Skytower: you mean you felt you were ‘doing’ less Delani?
    Delani Gabardini: yes - I was just trying to be and not be Delani (which is my rl name)
    Delani Gabardini: i have to play so many roles in life it was kinda refreshing
    Quilty Bookmite: What where you trying to be?
    Delani Gabardini: well - I don’t know but I did realize that I do not really know my true self very well
    Delani Gabardini: lots of wells there
    Delani Gabardini: sorry if I don’t make too much sense
    Faenik loves wells!
    Delani Gabardini: love u too faenik
    Quilty Bookmite: Did your meditation show you anything about your true self?
    Fael Illyar: I can’t believe it, that line was suitable for once :)
    Quilty Bookmite: :-)
    Gambhira Skytower: lol
    Quilty Bookmite: I thought you had programmed it to pick up on certain words.
    Fael Illyar: no, it’s random line, random timer
    Quilty Bookmite: Maybe not as random as you think. :-)
    Delani Gabardini: well - i realized how much I identify myself by what I do and not who i am
    Fael Illyar: Well, who knows where SL gets it’s random numbers for scripts :P
    Delani Gabardini: such as I am a Mom and a teacher and a Buddhist and so forth
    Gambhira Skytower: i think that is good Delani
    Delani Gabardini: so it was nice just to be this being who had no identity
    Quilty Bookmite: I think many of us do that.
    Delani Gabardini: well it made me cry and I rarely cry
    Gambhira Skytower: the philosopher Sartre said “being is doing”
    Delani Gabardini: nice Gam
    Quilty Bookmite: So maybe we aren’t any more than what we do?
    Delani Gabardini: that scares me
    Gambhira Skytower: my teacher says it is impossible to know a self, but we can know our karma or body, speech, and mind
    Quilty Bookmite: Maybe it should be disturbing.
    Gambhira Skytower: *of
    Delani Gabardini: hmm
    Delani Gabardini: kind of shakes u up
    Quilty Bookmite: My own teacher says we should always be disturbed by the truth
    Delani Gabardini: like peeling an onion and what is left
    Delani Gabardini: Quilty what is your practice
    Quilty Bookmite: Dissolving the layers until there is Nothing.
    Quilty Bookmite: Soto Zen.
    Delani Gabardini: ah
    Gambhira Skytower: Pia, we haven’t heard about what you do
    Pia Iger: oh. I usually just not doing anything, at 9 sec
    Quilty Bookmite: Does your mind do anything?
    Delani Gabardini: but are not the 9 secs supposed to stretch until you are in one continuous 9 secs
    Delani Gabardini: that did not make sense did it
    Quilty Bookmite: And there was another 9 seconds. :-)
    Gambhira Skytower: Delani i think the idea is to do it more than just 9 seconds eventually, it becomes a habit
    Pia Iger thinking Dalani’s question.
    Delani Gabardini: what I mean to say was it Pema’s intention that with practise we eventually are always in a state of Playasbeing
    Delani Gabardini: could that be the intention
    Fael Illyar: I think it is
    Pia Iger: yes. 9-sec leads to 15min
    Gambhira Skytower: i think so Delani, whatever we practise in those seconds, we are developing that mental habit to be stronger
    Delani Gabardini: then that is good
    Faenik: could be
    Fael Illyar: And I think it’s working. I don’t recall how I spent my time before starting with much clarity anymore but I’m feeling clearer headed now most of the time, that I’m sure of.
    Delani Gabardini: i am happy to hear that fael
    Gambhira Skytower: that’s great Fael
    Quilty Bookmite: Is that the aim, Fael?
    Delani Gabardini: everyone - I apologize again but I have to leave
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Delani :)
    Pia Iger: bye, Delani
    Gambhira Skytower: goodbye Delani
    Quilty Bookmite: Bye Delani
    Pia Iger: so we are constantly doing mind cleansing
    Fael Illyar: I’m not sure how much more I can advance but that really is secondary. Doing these upkeeps my current clarity.
    Fael Illyar: That’s my primary reason for doing these at the moment.
    Fael Illyar: Same holds for my morning meditation

    Quilty presented a deep question, then levitated from the pillow.

    Quilty Bookmite: Do you know what the primary purpose is of playasbeing?
    Quilty Bookmite: I seem to be levitating for some reason. :-)
    Pia Iger: as I understand is to find “who we are”
    Pia Iger: yes. we have magic pillows, Quilty
    Quilty Bookmite: :-D
    Quilty Bookmite: Have I reached some higher plane?
    Fael Illyar: Sure, you’re a few feet higher than the rest of us :P
    Gambhira Skytower: lol
    Gambhira Skytower: you’re levitating!
    Faenik: ah :)
    Quilty Bookmite: As long as I don’t go too high. I’m not good at heights.
    Pia Iger: back to Quilty’s “Does your mind do anything?”
    Quilty Bookmite: Yes. :-)
    Gambhira Skytower: lol
    Pia Iger: I let my mind not do anything, or take off whatever assumption my mind ususally have
    Fael Illyar: “wind is not moving the flag, mind is moving the flag”
    Gambhira Skytower: can you explain taking off an assumption?
    Pia Iger: It can be related to “what we have” or our normal identification.
    Pia Iger: I let them go and see what is beneath that, who I am.
    Faenik: why not?
    Quilty Bookmite: It sounds like you are doing more than just nothing. :-)
    Pia Iger: nothing is very confusing word.
    Quilty Bookmite: even more confusing when spelt witha capital letter.
    Pia Iger: haha
    Quilty Bookmite: :-)
    Faenik: could be
    Pia Iger: many times I felt I am going “home” at 9-sec
    Fael Illyar: To see the truth, you should not be attached to any particular idea of truth.
    Pia Iger: or my mind goes to its origin.
    Quilty Bookmite: The finger that points at the moon is not the moon.
    Fael Illyar: that’s a good one :)
    Quilty Bookmite: Thank you. Not mine I’m afraid. :-)
    Quilty Bookmite: I think I should go now, even though i have enjoyed talking and floating very much.
    Fael Illyar: Ok, see you later Quilty :)
    Pia Iger: bye, Quilty
    Quilty Bookmite: Bye and thank you.
    Pia Iger: do you think we are sort of similar in our 9sec practice? from what we share today?
    Fael Illyar: I’m not sure
    Gambhira Skytower: not sure either
    Faenik: ah :)
    Gambhira Skytower: seems difficult to say

    The end.

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