2008.07.17 19:00 - Above the Water

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    The guardian was Pia Iger. She added below comments.

    I was 15 min late. Luckily, Adams and Steve were already there and Adams gave me the part of their chat.

    Adams Rubble: Hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Adams
    stevenaia Michinaga: no one was here when I arrived
    Adams Rubble: Hmmmmmm
    stevenaia Michinaga: how are you?
    Adams Rubble: There IS a lot of lag
    Adams Rubble: I am good, how about you?
    stevenaia Michinaga: good, one day to vacation
    Adams Rubble: Oh great!
    Adams Rubble: I hope you have a nice one
    stevenaia Michinaga: going to the shore for a week, unfortunately no internet for a week
    Adams Rubble: Hmm no message?
    stevenaia Michinaga: but doing nothing makes up for it
    Adams Rubble: I like to be without my computer when I go away
    Adams Rubble: Yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: there is always coffee in the morning at the internet cafe
    Adams Rubble: Hi Pia
    Adams Rubble: I haven't used one of those yet
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi PIA
    Adams Rubble: Work can't catch up to me if I leave the computer at home
    Pia Iger: Hi, good to see you here.
    stevenaia Michinaga: my laptop is my office, I take it everywhere and work everywhere
    Adams Rubble: Not much of a vacation then :)
    Adams Rubble: I haven't seen you for a while Pia

    Oh, a while already? We were at the same session on Sunday afternoon. SL does make time feel longer?

    Pia Iger: I am late today.
    Adams Rubble has toothpicks holding her eyes open
    Pia Iger: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: who is keeping the log tonight since no one was here when i arrived?
    Pia Iger: I am the guardian.
    Adams Rubble: Ah
    Pia Iger: so how long have you been talking?
    Pia Iger: how much did I miss?
    stevenaia Michinaga: less than 5 minutes
    Adams Rubble: Not long
    Adams Rubble: we said hello
    Adams Rubble: and how are you :)
    Adams Rubble: and Steve is one day from vacation
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Pia Iger: for how long?
    stevenaia Michinaga: will miss this for a week
    stevenaia Michinaga: but will be by the ocean, so all is not lost
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble realizes if the RL person doesn't take the computer she will not get vacation
    stevenaia Michinaga: I many have time to do 9 secs every 1/4 hour
    stevenaia Michinaga: easier to restructure myself when environment changes
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pia Iger: it may be interesting notes from your vacation 9 secs.

    Wouldn't that be somthing! A week's 9 secs by the ocean! Hopefully he can put up a blog and share notes online...

    stevenaia Michinaga: I should look for temporary vacation yoga classes so I don’t loose what little I maintain by going
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, will log my motes, perhaps online if I figure out how, I suspect nothing to interesting to others, how is your blog doing, Adams
    stevenaia Michinaga: well so much for my typing tonight
    Adams Rubble: I keep at it :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: anything coming of it for you?
    Adams Rubble: Oh yes
    Adams Rubble: but I am in a period of wanting to listen now
    Adams Rubble: but I express through the blog
    stevenaia Michinaga: anything specific?
    Adams Rubble: Hmmmm
    Adams Rubble: I guess I have dealing with guilt, anxiety and doubt in the last few days
    Adams Rubble: I am not getting any closer to understanding Being :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am on the other side of that topic, for some time I have had less and less of those
    stevenaia Michinaga: and Being is constantly redefining itself as time goes on
    Adams Rubble thinks she may never catch up to Being then
    Pia Iger: I am not worry about that at all, catching or not.
    stevenaia Michinaga: there was a conversation a few nights ago with thorberg were afterwards I had a being defining moment, similar to your water moment Pia
    Pia Iger: can you say more?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I don;t know if Adams was here but the discussion related to self and being
    Adams Rubble: No I wasn't
    Pia Iger: what is your defining moment? Curious...

    Holding our breath. This is Steve's Being defining moment.

    stevenaia Michinaga: in this moment I was underwater which represented Self to me
    stevenaia Michinaga: the I emerged above the surface , springing out of the water straight up... which represented Being
    stevenaia Michinaga: not flying, just head above water
    stevenaia Michinaga: an interested contrast
    Pia Iger: then how do you feel, in each case, under and above the water?
    stevenaia Michinaga: fresh air, clear sight of distance
    Adams Rubble: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: under water was self reflective and somewhat contained.. defining self as somewhat introspective and contained
    stevenaia Michinaga: but head above water was externally focused
    stevenaia Michinaga: refreshing
    Adams Rubble: that sounds great Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: worth the wait of not doing 9 second moments for that one
    Adams Rubble: Sorry, sleep taking over, must go, will read the rest. Night Pia and Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: I know you wanted to listen Adams, but to some extent the very things you wrestle with maybe the things that distance you from being... doubt, etc
    Pia Iger: nite,Adames.
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Adams

    Adams could not fight with her sleepiness anymore, disappeared from her cushion.

    stevenaia Michinaga: sorry she had to leave, she brings much to the table
    Pia Iger: I am imagining, during your vacation by the beach, you will have more of this kind moment,
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think I can focus on that more easily
    Pia Iger: I do get a clear picture of what you described.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I once moved away to a job and restructured my life for my own interest, kept a lengthy dream log, woke myself up after dreams in the middle of the night and began writing about the dreams with clarity
    stevenaia Michinaga: I can still read those pages and remember the dreams even after 20 years.. or perhaps 30...eeek

    A lengthy dream log. That is extraordinary!  I really want to know more about that. But the following talk wound away from it naturally.

    Pia Iger: did you analyze those dreams?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no
    stevenaia Michinaga: but people do
    stevenaia Michinaga: but no, I don’t interpret dreams, and I dream so rarely, or remember them so rarely these days
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you remember dreams much?
    Pia Iger: yes, I ususally have dramatic dreams.
    Pia Iger: but always too sleepy to get up and write them down.
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it is something that requires motivation and focus

    His special form of meditation. Then from awareness to ... and ..., we closed our talk on food:)

    stevenaia Michinaga: i usually draw things on vacation in a sketch book and read for pleasure on the beach
    Pia Iger: nice, sketches can be revealing.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I consider drawing a kind of meditation
    stevenaia Michinaga: even when I draw everyday on the computer
    stevenaia Michinaga: so any other meditation seems supplemental
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you meditate other than 9 secs at a time
    Pia Iger: I want to, but not successfully.
    Pia Iger: I try to be present, mindful all the time,
    stevenaia Michinaga: it seems to be like exercise, the more you do the better you get
    Pia Iger: yes. I already feel my awareness is much progressed, just by doing 9 secs.
    Pia Iger: notice I still move around like zombie a lot of time,
    stevenaia Michinaga: tell me about awareness
    Pia Iger: like on the way home, I found I just got home without noticing how I crossed the streets, how I turned the corner
    Pia Iger: dream-like, this is example of lack of awareness.
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I used to drive an hour to work and sometimes never noticed how I got there
    Pia Iger: exactly!
    Pia Iger: on the contrary, if I am aware, I will notice ppl passing by me, notice the weather, wind/temperature, and how I was feeling at those moments.
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice
    stevenaia Michinaga: a lot to be gained from that
    Pia Iger: so being aware, I am really living those moments. And the moments seem stretch out, have their own depth and length.
    Pia Iger: also being aware, I can feel the value of things clearer.
    Pia Iger: like I will instinctively don't like junk food, or junk news
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have been trying to adjust what I eat as well recently
    stevenaia Michinaga: you just  have to be more alert as to what travels toward your mouth
    Pia Iger: yes, you will be more aware of what is nurturing, what is harmful
    stevenaia Michinaga: well the hour is up, I have to tend to laundry... thank you Pia, always a pleasure
    Pia Iger: Thanks, Steve, have a good vacation.
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you if not tomorrow night, some time thereafter
    Pia Iger: hope to hear your new inspirations

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