2008.07.19 07:00 - Wobbly Axle

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fael Illyar. The comments will be Fael's unless someone feels like doing them before Fael has time.


    Fael Illyar: Hi Pia :)
    Pia Iger: Hi, Fael, Gaya,
    Pia Iger: waves.
    Faenik waves back.
    Faenik: could be
    Gaya Ethaniel: hi Pia back :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: how are you?
    Pia Iger: I was thinking: neither good nor bad.
    Pia Iger: It does not matter, good or bad:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: sorry hubbie talking one sec
    Pia Iger: I realize it kind of sounds rude, my response. but I was thinking like that yesterday.
    Fael Illyar: would that be peaceful?
    Pia Iger: not very peaceful. I feel even at the edge of crisis, I can still be fine in some way.
    Fael Illyar: do you feel like talking about it?
    Faenik: why not?
    Pia Iger: I don't really have any specific crisis. I was talking in general term.
    Pia Iger: Even we have a lots of issues, we can still be safe and stable in a fundamental sense.
    Fael Illyar: Oh
    Gaya Ethaniel quietly scrolls back
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I think I can see how that can be.
    Fael Illyar: Gaya, don't worry, I was having problems understanding too :)
    Pia Iger: I mean, good or bad does not attract me as before.
    Fael Illyar: So just a vague feeling of some sort of crisis about to come?
    Gaya Ethaniel: oopps, no i just wanted not to disturb your discussion but show that i'm back :)
    Fael Illyar: Oh, ok :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: pls continue :)
    Fael Illyar: often no need to make that explicit :)
    Pia Iger: just a general feeling of ups and downs of life, or life details. They always exist. But on the top of that, I am ok with that. maybe that is word : acceptance.
    Fael Illyar: Ah :)
    Pia Iger: sounds simple:)
    Pia Iger: but it is stepforward to me,
    Pia Iger: not leaning to good or bad.
    Gaya Ethaniel: i came close to that realisation the other day too Pia
    Pia Iger: how so?
    Gaya Ethaniel: i've been pondering 'life is suffering' and going between acceptance of this statment and being feeling sad/angry about it
    Pia Iger: what were you angry about?
    Fael Illyar: "life is suffering" is a mistranslation I think :)
    Pia Iger: yes, Fael, it is not its face value.
    Fael Illyar: the word Dukha, actually means wobbly axle.
    Pia Iger: Isen...
    Gaya Ethaniel: that why 'should life contain suffering'? - yes Fael that was the crucial point that made me realise & accept how things are (being here SL taught me that)
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh... wobbly axle is a good phrase to put it - i just had that in my head without word description
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Fael Illyar: :) wordless thought
    Gaya Ethaniel: that 'should' made me angry but realisation that it is just the way it is remove me attaching feeling to it
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Fael Illyar: To teach someone something, the best way is to be what you teach.
    Fael Illyar: is something that just popped into my mind :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: i've learnt that also 'allowing myself to teach myself'
    Gaya Ethaniel: but i'm not trying to teach anyone here
    Fael Illyar: I'm not trying to but it seems I am :)
    Fael Illyar: oh wait, I am trying to teach myself :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh that's a good point :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: i've been thinking how useful to note what i learn to teach myself
    Pia Iger: Am I a good student of myself? Pia thinking
    Faenik: ah :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: how long have you been your student Pia?
    Pia Iger: in SL sense, one and half month. ( ah, an easy answer to a big question)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fael Illyar: trying to apply this "the best way to teach something is to be that something." to teaching yourself ... I somehow get the feeling I do that.
    Pia Iger: can you give any example?
    Fael Illyar: When I try out something, I tend to just dive in the deep end.
    Fael Illyar: perhaps after watching others diving for a while.
    Gaya Ethaniel: :) :(
    Pia Iger: so the best way to learn is to be that thing, too?
    Fael Illyar: no thoughts about being able to. those are a disability no matter which way you think them.
    Gaya Ethaniel: so why watching others diving rather than go striaght in when you get there?
    Fael Illyar: to have an idea of how it's done.
    Fael Illyar: often much faster to start by imitating someone skilled than just try to figure out everything yourself.
    Pia Iger: yes, just connecting... like we learn to see Being here, we do it by play as Being!
    Fael Illyar: Yes, dive in the deep end :)
    Pia Iger: yes!
    Gaya Ethaniel: connecting is an interesting word to me here... how do we come by where we decide to make that connection?
    Fael Illyar: what do you mean by connecting Pia?
    Pia Iger: I mean my mind connect what Fael said about the best way to learn, TO our practice play as being.
    Fael Illyar: ah :)
    Faenik: ah :)
    Pia Iger: the similarity is : dive in the deep end.
    Pia Iger: to be what we are learning.
    Gaya Ethaniel: there are many ways , ie religions, philosophy and science and i wonder what makes one attracts to a particular field in learning about oneself
    Pia Iger: good question. Are you attracted to a particular field?
    Gaya Ethaniel: hmm... not just one i think. i'm interested to know things that i'm not aware of
    Fael Illyar: Yes, me too I think.
    Fael Illyar: but we somehow do end up mostly pursuing certain field somehow, usually
    Pia Iger: The inner interest says a lot about a person.
    Gaya Ethaniel: 'inner'?
    Pia Iger: or innate?
    Faenik: why not?
    Pia Iger: the strong passion for a special field.
    Gaya Ethaniel: not sure about 'passion', how would this manifest?
    Pia Iger: as ppl would devote themself to some work, an example in my mind, like Madame Curie
    Gaya Ethaniel: so that passion you mean is similar to what Fael said about 'pursuing' certain field?
    Pia Iger: yes, there are ppl pursuing with inexplicable enthusiastism.
    Gaya Ethaniel: i want to clarify whether 'passion' equates to 'spiritual' experience
    Fael Illyar: I guess it's that we choose a field to put our effort in because that gets more tangible results than spending our time on everything equally.
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Pia Iger: results can be one incentive. but some times we also pursue without knowing whether there will be result.
    Pia Iger: unknown itself can be a strong magnet.
    Fael Illyar: Ah, true
    Fael Illyar: Hi Prosper
    Prosper Telling: Hi
    Pia Iger: Hi, Prosper, Welcome as a Guardian.
    Gaya Ethaniel: hi Prosper
    pillow - kneel: Rotation = <-0.70711, 0.00000, -0.70711, 0.00019>
    Prosper Telling: Morning... or whatever time of day you happen to be passing thru
    pillow - kneel: Rotation = <-0.70711, 0.00000, -0.70711, 0.00019>
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Faenik: could be
    You decline Arakawa Show Grounds from A group member named Tomoko Mayako.
    Pia Iger: just fill Prosper in, we were talking about passion for vocation,
    Faenik: ah :)
    Pia Iger: (in Pia's word) why or how ppl pursue particular field, to about learn themselves or the life as all.
    Fael Illyar: oh, someone clicked it :)
    Prosper Telling: Oops
    Fael Illyar: just a toy :)
    Prosper Telling: Back in the nineties I worked in healthcare and it was one of those jobs for me
    Fael Illyar: Pema ordered sirens, neon and steam...well, he got sirens and neon but fireworks instead of steam :)
    Prosper Telling: Ultimately I walked away... had invested too much of myself in it.
    Prosper Telling: Sirens, this early in the morning... better than coffee for waking up
    Pia Iger: hehe, luckily I muted my pc.
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fael Illyar: Not a very gentle wake up I suppose?
    Prosper Telling: I was trying to figure why there is a white sphere over the table
    Pia Iger: Can you tell us more about your healthcare experience? what drove you to invest too much?
    Fael Illyar: ah, it's a light source.
    Prosper Telling: Oh
    Fael Illyar: but should be invisible
    Fael Illyar: Prosper?
    Prosper Telling: Sorry
    Fael Illyar: I wonder if he didn't want to talk about it.
    Gaya Ethaniel: hard to say
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Pia Iger: at least he can say something, a little bit won't hurt. I wonder it is the internet connection.
    Fael Illyar: could be some RL disruption
    Fael Illyar: Ah, wb Prosper
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb Prosper
    Prosper Telling: I landed unexpectedly in someone's bedroom.
    Prosper Telling: antivirus check on my computer is scanning, causing some problems with SL
    Fael Illyar: interesting problems to say the least.
    Faenik: could be
    Fael Illyar: Prosper, did you see Pia's question?
    Pia Iger: woops.
    Pia Iger: until next time, maybe...
    Gaya Ethaniel: is Prosper the new guardian?
    Fael Illyar: yes

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