2008.07.30 07:00 - Autopilot and the Sweet Spot

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    This is Cal - here's the log from Wed July 30 7am, comments and all...

    Good Morning, Starshine! :)

    Caledonia Heron: hey there Doug :)
    doug Sosa: morning!
    Caledonia Heron: rezzing
    doug Sosa: you look rezzed to me (though i forget what that actually means :)
    Caledonia Heron: things are rezzed when you can see them :)
    doug Sosa: you have another meeting at 8?
    Caledonia Heron: yes
    doug Sosa: Oh i could see you.
    Caledonia Heron: how'd you know that? psychic? :)
    doug Sosa: Can you be rezzed for others but not yet yourself?
    Caledonia Heron: yes, for sure
    Caledonia Heron: happens all the time
    doug Sosa: so not psychics.. sorry..

    Dive in, the water's fine:

    Caledonia Heron: how's the 9sec exp going for you these days?
    doug Sosa: very well, though i find the non sec parts tend to feel more like the 9 sec
    Caledonia Heron: you mean like it's running together?
    doug Sosa: that is, the time between 9 sec experiments.
    doug Sosa: Yes, blending, the boundaries are less sharp, so the transition is kind of like "i was already here"
    Caledonia Heron: so slipping back and forth...am I getting it?
    Caledonia Heron: slipping more easily
    doug Sosa: yes, anything similar for you?
    Caledonia Heron: yes I have been having similar experiences....especially on days when I chose to focus on the experiment
    Caledonia Heron: I was having so much "slip in and out" I backed off a bit to regroup
    doug Sosa: to me the 9 sec has become like a close companion, no longer a place to go to, it is already near at hand.
    doug Sosa: ah, that sounds plausible.
    Caledonia Heron: yeah, pretty darn near is right
    doug Sosa: i wonder if it could go so far as the 9sec attitude is "normal" and we need to chose to join the world of "normal" perceptions?
    doug Sosa: Figure ground reversal.
    Caledonia Heron: I've wondered that also
    Caledonia Heron: or that one becomes so immersed we only do that

    A quick side trip:

    doug Sosa: I have forgotten, will you be at the [location] dinner Piet is planning?
    Caledonia Heron: yes, I plan to go - I hope you will be there :)
    doug Sosa: yes. What fun. then to deal with integration,
    Caledonia Heron: hi Adelene :)
    doug Sosa: hi!
    Adelene Dawner: morning
    Caledonia Heron: yes, we will have to synthesize our rl/sl perceptions :)

    Adelene has joined us and recounts her 1am experience:

    Caledonia Heron: how are you Adelene? well this day?
    Adelene Dawner: mm-hmm. A bit sheepish though. I goofed up last night >.<
    Caledonia Heron: how so?
    doug Sosa: hi gaya.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Caledonia Heron: morning Gaya :)
    Adelene Dawner: Or rather, the risk I took didn't pan out - I was supposed to be here to Guard the 1am slot, and I left my alarm on, but Windows decided to do an update, and restart, so the alarm didn't go off.
    Adelene Dawner: >.<
    Caledonia Heron: oops
    Caledonia Heron: I think the world will keep spinning :)
    Adelene Dawner: Bad start to my guardian career though.
    doug Sosa: i've never been to the one oclocks..
    Caledonia Heron: it's ok, lots more chances :)
    Adelene Dawner: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel 's guardian career will begin next week
    Caledonia Heron: either have I Doug
    Caledonia Heron: great Gaya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: 1AM it's normally Pema and one or two more people usually
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: or Pema alone sometimes :(
    Caledonia Heron: yes, I'm a bit concerned about his taking so many 1am slots - I hope we can find more Euro/Asia friends for whom that time is easily managed
    Adelene Dawner: mm
    Gaya Ethaniel thinks about replicating herself

    We make our way back to the central discussion, our experiences with the 9sec experiment:

    Adelene Dawner is going ovr her notes from last night's meeting.
    Caledonia Heron: Doug and I were talking about how the "line" between "normal" being and 9sec being is becoming more blurred
    Caledonia Heron: that we're gliding in and out of it a bit
    doug Sosa: blurred becasue, for me, the pleasure of the 9 sec tends to make non secon times more like the9 sec. seems i am rarely completely out of the 9 sec frame of mind.
    Caledonia Heron: lol, are you getting anything done?
    Caledonia Heron: like, work for instance?
    doug Sosa: yes, it is easy to stay active and have a more 9sec like experience of it. I at first experimented with doing the 9 sec in the midst of activity.
    doug Sosa: keep the activity going but open up to the 9 sec (without looking like an idiot), since the 9 sec does not require any particular posture, as i see it.
    Caledonia Heron: sure, I think I get it
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adelene Dawner: Cal, I have that problem myself - being Being, and knowing that you're being Being, tends to push you to be more truly yourself - or at least, it has for me over the years. That can indeed interfere with things, but there are ways of dealing with that even in situations that don't really fit you.
    Caledonia Heron: I have noticed some experiences are more intense than others and so sometimes I get a bit off center due to the immersion

    Avastu joins us:

    doug Sosa: welcome avastu
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friends
    Caledonia Heron: yes Adelene, the ability to incorporate it all increases with experience in my estimation
    Caledonia Heron: hi Avastu :)
    doug Sosa: all of life is a bit softer.
    Avastu Maruti: Hello Caledonia
    Ajata Quan: hi
    Caledonia Heron: hi Ajata :)
    Caledonia Heron: lol, yes I'm even a bigger softie :)
    Caledonia Heron: my husband was kidding me ..."that's quite enough of that a-negativity" ha ha
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Adelene Dawner: :)

    Ajata jumps in, Doug jumps out:

    Caledonia Heron: Ajata - we have not met before - how are you? - we are in a play as being discussion - are you familiar?
    Ajata Quan: no
    Ajata Quan: no clue
    Caledonia Heron: ok, first, welcome :)
    Ajata Quan: thanks
    Caledonia Heron: there is data at playasbeing.wik.is to start
    Ajata Quan: is about identification
    Ajata Quan: yes? i read something
    Ajata Quan: in the website
    Caledonia Heron: we are in a discussion group to inquire about the nature of reality through an experiment of 9sec focus
    Ajata Quan: ok
    Ajata Quan: lets do it
    Caledonia Heron: lol - aboslutely
    doug Sosa: every fifteen minutes (suggested) to take a 9 sec meditation break, let go of the normal, pay attention to the esxperience, and report back..
    Caledonia Heron: we each engage in our 9sec activities and then report back to the group
    Caledonia Heron: so it is a type of "homework" :)
    doug Sosa: friendliness seems central here, and so we often just let the conversation go where it goes.
    Caledonia Heron: yes, a wide range of topics as regards issues that arise from and around the exercise
    Caledonia Heron: you are welcome to join any group....on the 1 and 7 o'clocks (slt) 24/7
    Ajata Quan: ok
    doug Sosa: apologies, must go.
    Caledonia Heron: ok, a bit of a detour there
    Caledonia Heron: bye Doug :)

    A bit of a lag in conversation next, sometimes the segue into more personal issues takes a minute or two:

    Caledonia Heron: Avastu - are you doing the 9sec exp? and/or engaged in other explorations?
    Avastu Maruti: meditation is your natural state already, my friend
    Caledonia Heron: lol, I was expecting more of a yes or no :)
    Caledonia Heron: is there something about the exp one of you would like to share? :)
    Caledonia Heron: come on ...I know you want to.... :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Caledonia Heron: at this rate it will be a very short chat log :)
    Adelene Dawner chuckles
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adelene Dawner: I c'n share some notes from last night...
    Gaya Ethaniel: please
    Adelene Dawner: might get us talking :)
    Caledonia Heron: I wonder if at this point in the inquiry people are having so many different and varied experiences if there is a way to stay in the same sort of place....

    Adelene pastes what appears to be a section from a log of a previous session:

    :: Being thoughts short
    :: [19:34]  Sylectra Darwin: Very. I am also in awe of having come to terms with that decision. It's like for a moment, you step out of the way and

    something else entirely takes over.
    :: How is this different from autopilot?
    :: Later: Does it have to be? Since when does being *not* work that way?
    :: ---
    :: [19:52]  genesis Zhangsun: yes helpless but in a pleasant way like a child with its mother
    :: [19:52]  genesis Zhangsun: helpless and nurtured at the same time
    :: [19:53]  Sylectra Darwin: Like a boat in a strong current?
    :: [19:53]  genesis Zhangsun: content to be helpless
    :: [19:53]  Sylectra Darwin: Like a lady in a couples dance.
    :: [19:53]  Sylectra Darwin: This is in a way about surrender.
    :: Letting go of the Self, but keeping the Self at the same time... another level of duality confronted.
    :: It's Being when we let it flow, and when we try to force it, it's ...*twitch*... yes, it's twitch. But it's Being then, too.
    :: Note to self, whenever I'm thinking 'Being doesn't work that way', I'm wrong. ^.^

    That kicked it off alright...here we go, fasten your seatbelts:

    Adelene Dawner: meh, one of the lines came out wrong. "How is that different from autopilot" goes after the first line where Sylectra was talking.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Caledonia Heron: I was just thinking that over
    Caledonia Heron: to me autopilot is arrving at your destination, and thinking "I don't really remember driving here" different from my exp of the more focused exercise
    Caledonia Heron: hi Libby :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Libby Sohl: hello everyone
    Caledonia Heron: autopilot = unconscious imo
    Adelene Dawner: I use 'autopilot' in a particular way that includes that kind of situation and more... autopilot is when your body does something by itself. You can observe it doing that thing, or think about something else entirely, they're both autopilot.
    Caledonia Heron: (not literally of course)
    Caledonia Heron: ok, sure
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes i had similar experience the other day - was playing piano then saw myself playing while fingers moving without my thoughts bent on them
    Adelene Dawner: Exactly, Gaya.
    Gaya Ethaniel: that was surreal
    Adelene Dawner: It seems like not everyone can watch their autopilot work, though - some people seem to automatically take over the action whenever they notice it, which is short-circuiting a very useful tool, in my experience.
    Caledonia Heron: surreal is an interesting descriptive - this goes to my previous comment about us each having powerful individual experiences now and we're figuring out ways to tell each other that express what it was
    Gaya Ethaniel: I don't quite understand Adele - so you mean when people notice the autopilot mode, they switch and come out of it = short circuiting?
    Caledonia Heron: true Adelene - and sometimes you (I) can't really control when that happens
    Adelene Dawner: yup
    Gaya Ethaniel: why would they do that?
    Adelene Dawner: And yes, Cal, I'm not saying it's voluntary that you'd switch it off.
    Gaya Ethaniel played better in the autopilot mode
    Caledonia Heron: understood
    Adelene Dawner nods at Gaya.
    Adelene Dawner: I tend to lean on my autopilot a lot, actually - in some ways, I can't multitask at all without it. Like, couldn't walk and think at the same time.
    Caledonia Heron: I have wondered if very elite atheletes are sometimes in the essence of "here", of "being" as they visualize and become the sport they play
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Caledonia Heron: or musicians or anyone really really good at something
    Gaya Ethaniel: have you noticed any triggers for that Adele?
    Adelene Dawner: Um... I wouldn't say 'triggers'. It's a tool. I use it when I need it.
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes Cal, i wondered about that too. some muscians appear to be 'unconscious' while playing
    Caledonia Heron: or "elsewhere"
    Gaya Ethaniel: how do you bring that state forward when needed Adele?
    Caledonia Heron: I can do it when I play ping pong or pinball.....I am seeing myself do it, even anticipating the sequences

    A brief entry by Doc Freenote and Adelene continues her explanation:

    Caledonia Heron: what's up Doc?
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Caledonia Heron: welcome :)
    Adelene Dawner: I don't know that I can answer that question in a useful way - I have quite a bit of communication ability between various 'brainbits' and that's one of them - I can ask it to do something, or it can actually do things without being asked, or it can ask me for permission to do things. But it's all internal, I just kind of feel it happening.
    Gaya Ethaniel: i see
    Doc Freenote: someone just landed in the puddle outside i think
    Caledonia Heron: I think I get that Adelene and...I call it intuition and radar, I run on an internal gut feeling ...have not noticed it asking me for permission though :)
    Caledonia Heron: no alligators in the stream - they will be fine :)
    Adelene Dawner: Intuition and radar aren't the same as autopilot - autopilot is a physical-movement (including speech) thing.
    Doc Freenote: that has happened to me. sucks getting your pantlegs wet
    Caledonia Heron: agreed Adelene
    Doc Freenote: chess anyone?
    Caledonia Heron: perhaps later Doc - this is the play as being discussion group
    Doc Freenote: sorry
    Doc Freenote: different kind of play as being i guess ;)
    Caledonia Heron: playasbeing.wik.is

    Doc Freenote disappeared and the discussion about "autopilot" continues:

    Adelene Dawner: The interesting part is that other brainbits than the conscious ones can also ask the autopilot to do different things - I've experienced that a time or two. It's a useful, if a bit disconcerting, communication method.
    Caledonia Heron: interesting, I'm trying to parse that so I get it
    Caledonia Heron: so is that really autopilot then?
    Gaya Ethaniel is always fascinated by Adele's brain
    Adelene Dawner: Well, it's a physical action happening without direct conscious control, so yeah.
    Adelene Dawner: Like, ok:
    Gaya Ethaniel: sounds like you're extremely sensitive in sensing how your brain works while it does
    Caledonia Heron: so - you know the sequence of something and based on a change in variables, you can autopilot change the sequence?
    Adelene Dawner: If someone comes up to you and says 'hi', you'd say 'hi' back automatically, without thinking about it, right? You'd probably have to consciously think about it to *stop* yourself from saying 'hi' back. That's the autopilot.
    Adelene Dawner: Gaya: yes.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Adelene Dawner: Cal: Mmm, kind of? That's a complex situation that would involve several bits working together, unless I had it so memorized that the autopilot could respond to each part without my having to remind it what to do.
    Caledonia Heron: ok, digesting that
    Adelene Dawner: Another example: Do you play video games, Cal?
    Caledonia Heron: I don't think I've quantified my experience to that level so I'm stepping through it
    Caledonia Heron: no, not too much...pinball, that probably would do for an example

    Another go-round, re-wording, refinement of the autopilot concept as it meets the sweet spot:

    Gaya Ethaniel: so we can programme our brain to do autopilot - is this what you mean Adele?
    Adelene Dawner: Ok - with pinball. Think back to the first few times you played. If you're like me, you had to get used to the controls - that this button moved that flipper. While you were getting used to them, you had to think consciously about it, but eventually you dodn't have to - you could just go 'left flipper!' and the correct finger would move without you having to think about that finger, right?
    Caledonia Heron: yes for sure, internalizing the mechanics of the activity
    Adelene Dawner: That's the autopilot.
    Caledonia Heron: yes, I get it, thanks
    Adelene Dawner: :)
    Adelene Dawner: And, you don't play the whole game on autopilot - your conscious mind tells the autopilot to do specific things, like move a flipper, at appropriate times.
    Caledonia Heron: that does not however account for the random chaos that occurs and how you can deal/manipulate it real time in a state of NOW so that you are the activity .... I believe that is something different
    Adelene Dawner: ...what?
    Caledonia Heron: you are in a sweet spot - totally synched up with the activity, your actions, the outcome so you are the activity, you be the activity, you own the activity
    Gaya Ethaniel: Cal you mean you have random chaos while playing pinball?
    Caledonia Heron: ha ha.... one with the activity

    Is it autopilot or is it flow?, you make the call:

    Adelene Dawner: I think you're talking about a kind of 'flow' there, Cal. The kind of state that you're talking about is achieved by the full integration of several different brainbits, autopilot often being one of them.
    Caledonia Heron: when it happens everything around you is other, it's like there's some sort of force field around you, a zone of concentration, awareness, where your focus, your sole focus is that nowness, that being THERE..... you don't notice anything else
    Caledonia Heron: uhhh, flow denotes movement to me and...I think we may have a vocabulary disconnect ... perhaps that is correct
    Adelene Dawner: Yup. Autopilot's part of doing that, but there are other parts too. The integration of 'em, because the parts vary by activity, is the relevant part.
    Gaya Ethaniel: that immersing oneself feeling is different to autopilot we are talking about now no?
    Caledonia Heron: I would say it is very different Gaya
    Caledonia Heron: not autopilot at all
    Adelene Dawner: Yeah, 'flow' has too many different meanings to really be useful, Cal, but I don't have a better word.
    Caledonia Heron: all synapses are dedicated to that now, there is only that, what "there" is, you focus on

    As we wrangle through our ideas, the issue of vocabulary arises - this comes up repeatedly when people are really trying to understand each other and, have come to the table with different sets of words to describe things.  IMO, one of the things that is useful to understanding this being we explore is that we are developing commonalities in the way we express things, a vocabulary, a benchmark that perhaps we can use to talk about the things in the same way.....putting it out there for your consideration.... :

    And,.... a little more "autopilot":

    Caledonia Heron: got it Adelene - maybe we are making a new dictionary :)
    Adelene Dawner: Yes... and the autopilot is the thing that allows you to move while focused on something other than movement, so it's part of that state; otherwise you'd have to focus on movement, not on the thing you're focusing on.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Adelene Dawner: Note: Part of.
    Caledonia Heron: yes, I think I've synched up my personal vocabulary to understand where I read you "autopilot" I can insert "internalized"
    Adelene Dawner: Internalizing is part of teaching the autopilot how to do different things - a big part - but there's a bit more to the autopilot than that.
    Caledonia Heron: this is where we get out the microscope and really split hairs on vocab....what is the bit more A?
    Caledonia Heron: [Adelene is writing a short story :)]
    Adelene Dawner: Ok, back to my example of saying 'hello'. I've internalized the sequence of muscle movements necessary to do that. That internalization happened a long time ago, when I was a baby. The autopilot has, since that time, been able to 'play back' that internalized movement-pattern when prompted. I can consciously prompt it to do so, which is not an internalization, or I can unconsciously prompt it to do so, or something in the environment (someone coming up to me and saying 'hi', for example) can trigger it. Those are all times that the autopilot would do something, and it's not 'internalization', it's playing back the internalized 'script'.
    Caledonia Heron: ok, yes I understand your point
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh i c...
    Caledonia Heron: thank you for writing it all out
    Gaya Ethaniel: so for any activity, we can learn to do autopilot
    Adelene Dawner: Yes, Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: cool
    Caledonia Heron: I realize I have a differenct coneptualization of it but understand your point
    Gaya Ethaniel: sounds easy for you but difficult for me Adele :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: i cannot imagine how to break down the process to internalise correctly to play out autopilot
    Adelene Dawner: You probably do it more than you even realize already, Gaya. You can internalize things without consciously realizing that you're doing so.
    Caledonia Heron: yes agreed Adelene, in fact a lot of what we do are a series of autopilot scripts
    Adelene Dawner: Like, when you're cooking, um, rice or something. Do you have to consciously think about how to do each step, or do you just 'know'?
    Adelene Dawner: Yes, Cal.
    Gaya Ethaniel: i find that internalising consciously is not as effective
    Gaya Ethaniel: i just know now yes
    Caledonia Heron: dinner autopilot, grocery store autopilot, clean the house autopilot
    Adelene Dawner: Then you internalized it at some point, Gaya.

    Well I had a tangent to share about simplifying and the "autopilot" thread rolled right over it :):

    Caledonia Heron: OH!
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adelene Dawner: oh, Cal?
    Caledonia Heron: thinking of cleaning the house autopilot I noticd something about my current state of 9sec practice
    Caledonia Heron: I have been cleaning out my house like a madwoman
    Caledonia Heron: not dusting, vacuuming
    Caledonia Heron: really looking at stuff and saying keep or pitch?
    Caledonia Heron: like there's too much clutter
    Caledonia Heron: it's bogging me down
    Caledonia Heron: making a serious streamline
    Caledonia Heron: streamlining my stuff to match my streamline of consciousness
    Caledonia Heron: divesting
    Caledonia Heron: simplifying
    Adelene Dawner: Hm. There's a reason I wanted to bring up the autopilot, Cal, and I don't think we've quite gotten to the relevant concept...

    Sufficiently chastized I capitulate:

    Gaya Ethaniel: one point i'd like to clarify is that during my autopilot with piano, i thoght i sensed Being - is that your experience also Adele?
    Caledonia Heron: ok back to autopilot, let's hear it :)
    Adelene Dawner: Can be, Gaya. Autopilot lets you do something and think/experience something else at the same time ... what you think or experience is up to you. ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh i see... so not everytime i'd experience Being while autopilot
    Caledonia Heron: what is the point you wanted to make about autopilot Adelene?
    Adelene Dawner: [7:17] doug Sosa: blurred becasue, for me, the pleasure of the 9 sec tends to make non secon times more like the9 sec. seems i am rarely completely out of the 9 sec frame of mind. [7:18] Caledonia Heron: lol, are you getting anything done? [7:18] Caledonia Heron: like, work for instance?
    Caledonia Heron: and???
    Adelene Dawner: The autopilot is one way you can be Being, and get things done at the same time. Let the body do it. It doesn't really *need* as much guidance as most people think.
    Gaya Ethaniel begins to understand what Peman meant by 'many ways to experiencing Being'
    Caledonia Heron: hmmm, ok, I see your point....this again goes to what I perceive as the point in the experiment where our experiences, signifcant experiences in some instances, are very different from each other and we each parse and quantify them differently

    A little sandpaper feeling:

    Adelene Dawner shrugs. "Try it, or not. Your path doesn't have to be the same as my path."
    Caledonia Heron: that being said I get what you're saying Adelene but don't conceive being as such but that absolutely does not invalidate your experience or understanding of it....It's Different
    Caledonia Heron: I hope you can get that
    Caledonia Heron: and this is exactly one of the points why we get together to talk about this stuff
    Caledonia Heron: IMO :)
    Adelene Dawner: Mm-hmm. If you find another good way I'd be very interested to hear it, too. Just trying to be helpful. ^.^
    Caledonia Heron: I really appreciate your way of thinking of it as it had not occurred to me in such a way.... it enriches the way I can think about these things ... so thank you :)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel thinks that it has been a marathon session

    Closing the circle on "autopilot" and acknowledging we may have spoken past each other a bit, as I fumble around for my Dale Carnegie book:

    Caledonia Heron: were there other aspects of the autopilot concept we should touch on?
    Caledonia Heron: loaded question I know :)
    Caledonia Heron: yes Gaya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel thinks it's great
    Adelene Dawner: Well, there are other things it can do, but I've mentioned the categories of that in passing, and you can figure the details out on your own if you want.
    Caledonia Heron: ok sure - reading your text I wonder if you are a bit offended? I certainly hope not :)
    Adelene Dawner: Nope. I sometimes come off a bit sharper than I intend, sorry.
    Caledonia Heron: ok, me too.... pulling out my well worn copy of "How to Win Friends and Influence People" :)
    Adelene Dawner: heh
    Caledonia Heron: I am a bit direct in approach so I ask to stay connected in a positive way :)
    Adelene Dawner: I can get behind that :D
    Caledonia Heron: LOL
    Caledonia Heron: right on sista!!
    Adelene Dawner chuckles.
    Gaya Ethaniel tries to chuckle and realise it doesn't work
    Caledonia Heron: ok, y'all ....maybe we can take this up again....wanted to get to the being the lady in the dance comment but that's a whole other barrel of monkeys :)
    Adelene Dawner: mm. Maybe later ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel: ? didn't get that Cal
    Adelene Dawner: Back in the original notes
    Caledonia Heron: yes, I'll massage the log and post....I have stayed late
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah... dancing couple

    A reprint of the excerpt so Gaya can see the reference to the lady in the couples dance:

    :: Being thoughts short
    :: [19:34]  Sylectra Darwin: Very. I am also in awe of having come to terms with that decision. It's like for a moment, you step out of the way and

    something else entirely takes over.
    :: How is this different from autopilot?
    :: Later: Does it have to be? Since when does being *not* work that way?
    :: ---
    :: [19:52]  genesis Zhangsun: yes helpless but in a pleasant way like a child with its mother
    :: [19:52]  genesis Zhangsun: helpless and nurtured at the same time
    :: [19:53]  Sylectra Darwin: Like a boat in a strong current?
    :: [19:53]  genesis Zhangsun: content to be helpless
    :: [19:53]  Sylectra Darwin: Like a lady in a couples dance.
    :: [19:53]  Sylectra Darwin: This is in a way about surrender.
    :: Letting go of the Self, but keeping the Self at the same time... another level of duality confronted.
    :: ---
    :: It's Being when we let it flow, and when we try to force it, it's ...*twitch*... yes, it's twitch. But it's Being then, too.
    :: ---
    :: Note to self, whenever I'm thinking 'Being doesn't work that way', I'm wrong. ^.^

    So long, farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, good bye:

    Caledonia Heron: thanks for coming, it was great to hear your ideas.... see you soon :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Adelene Dawner: c'ya, Cal.
    Adelene Dawner is Online
    Caledonia Heron: thank you for your friendship Adelene :)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Caledonia Heron: bye Gaya :)

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